Rick Greenspan and how you’ll remember him

We ran this story on departing athletic director Rick Greenspan in the paper today. It’s long, but I think worth a read. I’ll paste it after the jump for all the non-subscribers who are hastening our demise.

Rick Greenspan was introduced as Indiana’s new athletic director on Sept. 3, 2004.

He became the fourth person to hold the job in a span of about four years following long-time basketball coach Bob Knight’s cantankerous parting with the university.

Stability was on Greenspan’s mind that day.

“I’m honored and privileged to be here today, and for a long time,” he said.

Whether a tenure of just over four years counts as a “long time” is part of a debate that Greenspan hopes to lend his voice to. He’s worried about the frequency with which coaches and athletic directors change jobs — voluntary or otherwise.

Whether Greenspan achieved stability is a debate to be waged mostly by those he’ll leave behind when he steps away later this week. Greenspan announced his resignation, effective at the end of the year, in June on the same day the school revealed it had been charged with “failure to monitor” by the NCAA. Greenspan has vigorously denied that his compliance department failed to provide proper oversight of basketball coach Kelvin Sampson, who arrived from Oklahoma fresh off recruiting violations there, as the committee on infractions ruled.

It probably is not as revealing as his detractors will have you believe that the final two games Greenspan presided over in the marquee sports of football and men’s basketball were two of the most embarrassing losses in school history. The football team lost 62-10 to Purdue to finish a 3-9 season. The basketball team lost to Lipscomb 74-69, setting off talk in some corners of the possibility of a winless Big Ten season.

That football program, though, endured the loss of Terry Hoeppner — a Greenspan hire — to brain cancer. Bill Lynch led the players through their grief and to a bowl for the first time since 1993.

That basketball program endured allegations of major violations by Sampson and his staff, then Sampson’s resignation destroyed a promising season and Tom Crean was hired to sift through the rubble.

Both will move into new facilities made possible by Greenspan’s financial acumen. The athletic department reported a $6.2 million dollar surplus for the last fiscal year; its deficit was $5 million when Greenspan took over. He’s grown the annual budget by $17 million during his tenure, though it still lags behind most in the Big Ten. The major construction projects at Memorial Stadium and next to Assembly Hall are the first of their kind since the early 1970s and are essential for two sports in which recruiting has become increasingly cutthroat.

Ultimately, Greenspan’s legacy hinges on the issue of culpability in the hiring of Sampson. Though e-mails obtained by The Herald-Times in April included a note from Greenspan that indicated that former President Adam Herbert and a group of trustees pushed the hiring of Sampson — “As you and I have confidentially discussed, a couple of trustees and (the) President have more than fingerprints on this,” he wrote. “I think you are well aware of the circumstances that got us to this point.” — Greenspan has repeatedly declined to discuss the hire. He’s also chafed at the NCAA’s opinion that he and his staff failed in their compliance duties after Sampson arrived.

Because Greenspan’s replacement, Fred Glass, is coming from a law firm and not another athletic department, it seems unlikely that there will be immediate turnover in key positions at Assembly Hall. Greenspan moved quickly to assemble a senior staff of close confidants, including deputy athletic director Tim Fitzpatrick and associate athletic directors Grace Calhoun, Jack Garrett and Janet Kittell.

His son, Ben, has been working with the Hoosiers baseball team (he was a member of the team and is an Indiana graduate) and could stay in Bloomington.

Greenspan sat down Sunday before the Lipscomb game to discuss his plans for the future (first on the agenda: a few weeks of vacation and trips to see friends and family) and his thoughts on his career at Indiana. He was fascinating, if provocative. As always.

His legacy will be difficult to define.

And his impact inescapable.

Q: What’s next for you?

A: I’m going to stay involved in college athletics. That’s my passion. That’s really all I have ever done is worked on a college campus. I’ll stay involved in some way. I’m considering two or three different things, uncertain right now what I’ll do, but I owe it to Jenny and myself and get some sun and exhale for the first time in about four years, and then have some very strong feelings that I would like to be involved in perhaps in a way of serving as a slight catalyst, perhaps for some change that I think is necessary in our business, based on a lot of things. That’s my goal and we’ll see where it takes us.

Q: You’ve talked about being an agent of change for problems ranging from rapid turnover in the coaching world to the NCAA’s penchant for catching phone call violations and missing or being unable to prosecute payments to recruits and academic fraud. How do you plan on helping to solve some of these long-standing problems?

A: I don’t know that you can eradicate it. I think there is a lot more good and a lot more people of honesty and integrity in this business than are given credit because I think the stink smells so bad that it overwhelms a lot of good people, very honestly. But the enterprise of college athletics I think has grown from a visibility and a financial perspective so dramatically in 15 or 20 years that I think the stakes are higher. And I think when the stakes are higher people play for keeps and I think when people are given unreasonable deadlines or unreasonable expectations for success that inevitably people’s integrity or their wisdom gets modified and you end up with all kinds of problems. And so I think most of our business, but this is probably true in most businesses, comes down to trust. Personally what I’ve seen at the highest level is there’s a decreasing amount of trust. And I’m not a sociologist, but whether its trust from an athletic director to and from coaches or presidents to athletic directors or presidents to trustees or media members, there seems to be a great deal of cynicism and I think some of that is good and some of that is appropriate because I think it does help you become introspective and improve and I think some of it is a result of tremendous growth in salaries and certainly in a couple of sports and the very short life-spans of presidents. I think the average state college president probably lasts not more than four years and so the continuity that people are looking for, the stability that people are looking for, the ability to say we’re going to take something and build it, I just don’t know that there’s a lot of patience for that when a coach is getting X million dollars a year, or athletic directors are here and gone. I think the challenge is the restoration of trust, but like the most difficult of problems it doesn’t come easily.

Q: Is it still fun working in athletics?

A: It’s different. As with most people as you get older, I probably have stronger feelings about what I really like and what I don’t like and I think that’s probably just somewhat natural as you get older. Your experiences say “this is what I like doing.” I probably like the work with coaches and student athletes and faculty members more than I ever have. In many ways, I find it very endearing to be in the arena with them and share in a small part their successes and try and be supportive during the times where they fail. To be in the basketball locker room after our game a couple weeks ago when they played well and beat TCU was terrific. It was just a great feeling of success even though in years past perhaps that would have been just another game. I appreciate that more and more. I find there’s greater criticism of coaches and criticism of administrative decisions frequently before there is a reasonable chance to determine an outcome. I look at the Auburn situation and I look at their hiring of a football coach (Gene Chizik). The folks that are already proclaiming disaster before there’s been a practice and I think that’s become somewhat common and I don’t know that you change it. We have to do a better job — administrators have to do a better job — of how communication takes place. I think most people have a good sense that newspapers are dying and that they won’t be around indefinitely when you look at what’s taking place in printed publications be it in newspapers or (magazines). I look at the newspapers to some extent like I look at Pony Express or the telegraph. They’re just dying. There’s a faster way to communicate. So without being perhaps critical or cynical I think most newspapers have become a little more regionalized because they feel like that’s the place where they can specialize and I think they are also looking for ways of defining themselves and sometimes that comes from breaking a story and that, unfortunately I think, puts them in competition with the Internet. The Internet, we know, has very little in terms of journalistic ethics. There are very few requirements. It’s an unregulated mass media. So I think the whole journalistic integrity as a way of being first rather than right has changed the relationship between writers and coaches and administrators. You’ve heard it: guys taking pictures at practice and e-mailing those out. So coaches close practice more and more. The world moves so fast, we just have to find a better way of dealing with it.

Q: There seemed to be an outcry from disgruntled football fans on that unregulated Internet. What did you make of their reaction to coach Bill Lynch?

A: I don’t want to sound naive about it. I read a lot but it’s not normally what people would think. I don’t want to be a person who sticks his head in the sand and pretends that things don’t happen but I truly believe if you read too much you get anesthetized to what your decision should be because you start giving too much credit to different things. I would be disingenuous if I didn’t say that Bill’s not the sexiest guy out there. And I’ve known that. I’ve known it since I’ve known Bill. But I think there are a lot of very successful coaches that I wouldn’t view as sexy. If you know a Jim Tressel (the coach at Ohio State) and even (Penn State coach) Joe Paterno has become probably more interesting as he’s taken an attitude of “What they heck, what are they going to do to me?” He’s become outspoken over the years. So that’s not a quality that’s particularly important to me if somebody has a strong personality to recruit. You’ve gotta be able to sell. There’s a difference between Bill and Terry Hoeppner, and I think we were all bitterly saddened when Terry passed away. Terry, in my mind, was absolutely the right guy at the right time because he was a head coach who brought just about an entire staff with him and Terry, in the most endearing way, was a carnival barker. He’d travel the state to speak to two people in an American Legion Hall. I think Bill is every bit of the coach that Terry was. I think Bill is a guy that has terrific integrity. I think some of the criticism of Bill that I have seen is two-sided. There’s seems to be those that feel like Bill had nothing to do with taking this team to the bowl game and that was all of Terry’s team. And there are others who feel like last year was Bill’s team and this year obviously was his team so he’s responsible for us having a declining number of wins. And I don’t think you can have it both ways. I think if Bill came in and last year, for the first time in 13 years, took us to a bowl then give the guy the benefit of the doubt. We had a crappy year. If last year’s team was Terry’s team, then this is Bill’s first year and give him the benefit of the doubt. The great thing about coaching is that the scoreboards at the end of the day and the end of the year don’t lie and I don’t think there’s a coach out there who doesn’t know there’s sand going through the hourglass and winning enough games means you turn that hourglass over and start with a new bucket of sand. I think Bill is a terrific coach, I think he’s a terrific guy, I think he did a marvelous job last year of holding together a team that I know personally was very, very fragile and quite honestly even before last year even started I think he did a terrific job because Terry had been sick and in and out and it’s hard for a staff to deal with from a recruiting perspective and positional changes and all the rest. I’m not sure where the chatter comes from other than I do think that some who spend all their waking hours on chat boards probably need to have a little variety in their life.

Q: Do you feel good, in general, about where the athletic department is as you prepare to leave?

A: I’m very, very disappointed that this institution had to ever deal with a major infractions case. That’s saying it kindly. I don’t think the institution deserved it. I don’t think it’s part of the environment or the culture of this institution as evidenced by a half a century of major-infraction-free compliance. So that’s very disappointing. I think (basketball coach) Tom (Crean) is as close to the perfect guy again at the perfect time. I think he’s got great Midwest values. He’s really high integrity. He’s a terrific salesman. He’s a terrific coach. He will get this program very competitively healthy without sacrificing the integrity that I think people expect. Other than that — which is like the old joke “Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how’d you like the play?” — I think this is a department with some very, very good people that in many cases toil in great anonymity. I think (women’s basketball coach) Felisha (Legette-Jack) is a wonderful coach and an inspirational leader. I think (baseball coach) Tracy Smith is a terrific coach. I think our new softball coach (Michelle Gardner) will do great things and is a wonderful, wonderful person. I think there’s some very good people and I think there’s some cash now to make some decisions. It’s very costly to be poor. This institution was poor for a very long time. Lack of resources contributes to making bad decisions at times. I’m pleased, excited to see the new facilities come up. Perhaps one that I’ll be the most excited about is the academic center, which gets no visibility but we’re so woefully behind in facilities there that they will have a dramatic impact. I like the effort that our people put in academically. I like the higher level of accountability. And I think an athletic department is a little bit like a tomato seed and you try to pick it up with a fork and it’s just always moving. We’ve got 650 athletes and 24 teams. One day is a great day and the next day is not such a great day. It wasn’t such a great day a week or so ago when a couple of our football players made an egregious decision. If the allegations prove true, it’s stupid. It’s below us. And, quite honestly, I know for Bill and for me it’s personally hurtful because there’s no lack of education there about what the right stuff is. But I think it’s been an athletic department that has grown and will continue to grow and will have to grow significantly to stay in a fighting stance against the competition in this league.

Q: Your buyout from the university gave you the right to write a book about your experience. Will you write it? Is that how you’ll get catharsis?

A: There’s been a tremendous amount of things that has happened in these years and like most administrative jobs I think some of it is self inflicted and some of it is environmental. I’ve never pitied myself. That’s probably one of the least attractive human attributes is self-pity. I really have felt honored to be here and be the athletic director. I might write a book and then burn it. Just to get some things down. I will certainly do some writing but my interest I think is, because this has been my business, is in some way to try to make it better. I look at young professionals that were probably me 30 years ago and I’ve had a lot of conversations with my peers, athletic directors that have been in the business 30 years, about what are the challenges and how do we make sure that what most people think is the proper culture is developed or grows. That’s exciting to me looking forward. I think I’ll do a little work there and a little writing. I certainly like being on a college campus and consider a number of faculty here good friends. Deans and provosts and people who maybe are fans you wouldn’t expect. I’ve been at some very, very good schools academically at West Point and Cal and certainly Indiana and I’m inspired by the challenge of having to think on their level at times to justify why we do things. I think that’s a neat thing about being on a college campus. It’s mentally stimulating.

Q: So you’re set on returning to an athletic department somewhere?

A: I think so. I’d like to. I want to. And I want to work at a place that has values and a degree of integrity that I would subscribe to. I don’t think this is a revelation but I think it’s becoming more critical that the relationship that you have with some of your major coaches and then the relationship that you have with your president and chancellor go further in determining whether it’s a good job or not than they used to. When challenging times or crisis hit — whether it’s the death of a coach or infractions — if everybody’s blinking then you’ve probably got problems. You need somebody that is going to stand there with you in a model of sophisticated understanding of the complexities of this business now. That’s important to me. I’ve had and hopefully will have opportunities to do that but I’m also excited about literally taking a few weeks and reading and writing and doing a few things I haven’t been able to do.


  1. The man is completely delusional.

    Question by question, his world, in his own words, and then reality.

    “serving as a slight catalyst, perhaps for some change”
    -He sees himself in the future as the Barrack Obama of the NCAA.

    “when the stakes are higher people play for keeps and I think when people are given unreasonable deadlines or unreasonable expectations for success that inevitably people’s integrity or their wisdom gets modified and you end up with all kinds of problems.”
    -“Unreasonable” expectations and deadlines “modified” his wisdom and integrity because the stakes were high?!? He F’d up and lost an important job because he was incapable of doing what IU paid him to do.

    “I find there’s greater criticism of coaches and criticism of administrative decisions frequently before there is a reasonable chance to determine an outcome.”
    -He does not like being held to account by anyone, and his failures are the fault of the media and the internet.

    “Bill’s not the sexiest guy out there. And I’ve known that.”…”You’ve gotta be able to sell.”
    -Without Bill, he couldn’t have cashed in on Hep’s legacy, and he knows this risky bet has crapped out. True to form, he prefers to toss out insults, innuendos, and intimidation rather than address legitimate disagreements.

    “I think that’s a neat thing about being on a college campus. It’s mentally stimulating.”
    -His other car is a short bus.

    “There’s been a tremendous amount of things that has happened in these years and like most administrative jobs I think some of it is self inflicted and some of it is environmental.”
    -He knows in his heart of hearts that his F-ups were his fault, but his book will allow him to rewrite a favorable history of his tenure here and sling some mud.

    “When challenging times or crisis hit — whether it’s the death of a coach or infractions — if everybody’s blinking then you’ve probably got problems. You need somebody that is going to stand there with you in a model of sophisticated understanding of the complexities of this business now.”
    -He thinks it was perfectly o.k. for him to turn his back on Sampson, after strongly supporting him and initially choosing to let Kelvin coach the season, but he’s pissed McRobbie pulled a play from his book and used it on him.

    This one’s getting its own Chronicle. Check back later.

    Oh, yeah….buh-bye, Rick!

  2. The thing about it is most people will point to Greenspan for bringing in Sampson, when Sampson wasn’t even remotely close to being on his list of coaching candidates. Who wanted Sampson? Our last president pulled the trigger on that hire. The decision is pointed at the AD because of his job, but this call wasn’t his.

  3. Pleased to hear I’ve got a reader. Don’t want to disappoint, but this one’s going to take some time. Great New Year the Scoop and its readers! Happy to guarantee we won’t lose another game all year!

  4. Chronic, you need to take Greenies advice and get some “variety” 😉 Tisk tisk, he needs to get on board and research the demographics of online users…let me wrap it up for him, nearly 100% of the educated IU fanbase is online. I guess we are all geeks with no lives, and no basis for evaluating IU sports.

  5. Gotta give Rick a thumb sideways. I believe he was behind some good things for the athletic dept, but I also think he made some poor choices. He attempted to throttle compliance and it backfired on him. Bad move. His early fires and hires peeved a lot of folks. It was a tough job in a tumultous situation. I don’t envy Glass.

    Quick check on the Chronic site is thumbs up. I spent way too much time there. HNY to all.

  6. “for all the non-subscribers who are hastening our demise.” Hate to get off topic of IU sports for a second but this is what I do for a living and couldn’t pass up your comment.

    Check this out: http://www.quantcast.com/heraldtimesonline.com

    Y’all get 90,000 visitors vs Peegs 25,000. Now if the New York Times can’t get their online business model to be profitable there isn’t much hope for a small town newspaper except one that has a unique quality. Y’all have IU which has a very specialized segment willing to subscribe for unique information and is tailored for highly desirable marketing but while Peegs is part of an ad network that has ads for chevy y’all have ads for IU opera theater.

    In your Quantcast profile, your site is using quantcast tags but don’t allow public access to the geography reports. It would be interesting to see the percent of visitors outside of Indiana and how you can adjust your ads accordingly and think about a business model that increases outside indiana subscribers based on unique info alas peegs and hoosier nation.

  7. Too many in the Hoosier faithful don’t realize what we had and what we’re losing in Greenspan. He’s being run off because of his perpetually incompetent lame duck former boss’ (Herbert) decision.

    The accomplishments of Greenspan: the increased profitability, the north end zone, the basketball facility, and coaches like Coach Jack and Coach Smith will endure long after the ruble left by Sampson is cleaned up. Unfortunately I doubt credit will then be given in equal portions to the blame that is so freely given now.

  8. acument? profits? Might want to look at how big the Big Ten Network deal is. Then come back and tell us the miracles he worked in bringing profits to IU. Especially football.

  9. Rick seems like a nice guy and did some good things, certainly better than some of his predecessors. But, he oversaw one of the biggest F ups of IU athletic history. Whether it was his call or not, he has to go, and I think he understands that.

    Appreciated the question “there seems to be an outcry from disgruntled football fans on the unregulated internet.” Errr…..everywhere but Peegs.

  10. I guess you did find the email to Scott…So long, Korman. You’re a decent guy…Please don’t take the criticisms I wrote on Hoosier Hype to heart…You and Dopirak are very good at your profession. I was going off-topic a lot.

    Downing’s 5th

  11. Downing,

    I never found the e-mail. Just thought it’d been long enough and, you’re right, it’s not like it settled down a whole lot here. Not sure what to do next.

  12. e-mail details:

    to sschurz @ heraldt.com
    date Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:18 PM
    subject “Your comment is awaiting moderation”
    mailed-by gmail.com

    Dear Scott,

    I am contacting you regarding an issue I am having with Hoosier Scoop….I have been locked out of posting comments on the HTO’s sports blogging site and feel a bit befuddled to the reasoning that prompted such action..Every post receives the message prompt: “Your comment is awaiting moderation” and then is deleted.

    Other than being a “cantankerous” pain in the posterior, I sure wish someone could tell me what I did to be locked out of The Scoop.

    Sincerely perplexed,

    Downing’s 5th

  13. It was the e-mail link lighting up the comment moderator. Anyway, there’s the detail giving you the date, time, and recipient.

  14. Downing,

    Not sure why we’re having this discussion here instead of through e-mail, which would seem to make sense.

    As I said, this supposed e-mail never reached me. Scott Schurz isn’t “an editor” at the H-T, and I have very, very, very little contact with him.

    Next time you have a complaint, just get in touch with me. It will be much more effective than e-mailing the retired publisher.

  15. Guess I should have known that a guy on a current HT Contact List, with listed e-mail address, and Editor-in-Chief next to his name(the only such name to have the title usually synonymous with wearing fairly sizable big wig with office that has window with view) was nothing more than a measly retired publisher…I guess I’m also to assume E. Mayor Maloney fool of cheap bologna because he is listed as having Scott’s job…Please forgive for the misunderstanding completely due my idiocy. Please forgive me the lack of empathy to give complete justification the smugness and arrogance spewing from your tone…It’s certainly now more obvious why I would have no desire to correspond with you directly…My hunches were right on target..Your office is too small for your warranted impatient large ego …My occasional “off-topic” diversions far too trivial for the information blog headquarters dedicated only to the multitude topics of everything IU sports; a blog site now taken daily hostage by a guy representing the true entitlement First Amendment protection as he rightfully defecates on the name of an Indiana Hall of Fame Hoosier basketball player no matter title of thread or subject matter at hand. Wow. Sorry to be such hideous bother..Looks like it’s glaringly obvious you’ve already had quite the diet of tart introspection to serve me such huge slice your sweet humble pie.

    Very tiny off-topic message: If you’re going to do more video chats with Dustin, you should really do something about the receding hairline. Take a page out of a Matt Lauer’s beautician book…Hate to see you end up looking like a guy wearing a rainbow trout* on his noggin.


    Scott Schurz, Sunday Hoosier Times/Editor-in-Chief

    E. Mayer Maloney Jr., Publisher
    (812) 331-4251

    *the “rainbow trout” hairstyle metaphor is under protected copyright and can only be used with the sole(not to be confused with flounder) written consent of a blogger from Seattle, the phrase originator appropriately and by no accident of coincidence sharing in a thinning cranial front lawn, known as Husky Tom.

  16. Downing,

    I do see how you could get the impression that Scott’s still in charge. My mistake. Sorry about that.

    My tone was meant to be exasperated. I just don’t understand the bi-polar posting routine. You’ll rip us on Hoosier Hype while almost simultaneously saying on here that we do a good job.

    You’re a terrific, if wildly unfocused, writer. You do have interesting thoughts. I absolutely value your unique outlook. I understand that on this particular site, I’m “the man” and that you, and others, enjoy antagonizing. That part comes with the territory. It can even be fun, and I need to be held accountable.

    Frankly, though, your act is tired and not genuine. You strike me as being more interested in knowing the spotlight is on you than doing something worth the spotlight.

    This isn’t a First Amendment issue. I’m not taking away your freedom to speak, only this particular platform on which to do it. You couldn’t walk in the office tomorrow and demand to have a column published under the guise of freedom of speech.

    You’re the only person I’ve ever banned from posting, despite pressure from others in the building to be more restrictive.

    Thanks for the hair tip. I could stand to lose weight, and my blood pressure’s been high, too. I’ll just work on all of that when I can.

  17. I think your criticisms are pretty accurate..I don’t have much accomplished worth of a spotlight and I may be more bipolar than you’ll ever have a heart to care.

    Then again, prejudice, bigotry, and the lack an even hand of kindness has never dimmed a bulb so bright it easily blinds the truth a despicable successful man.

    First, you banned without warning for uneven application of your rules….Second, you came to Hoosier Hype’s site making inferences I made no attempt to contact you which was complete public fabrication of truth in front of audience your position insures your “platform” of uncensored deception..You know very well the moderated attempts I was making through the Scoop blog that you purposefully ignored and likely mocked as I squirmed…Lastly, you’ve called me a liar with added dose of insult about a title of a person appearing as an “Editor-in-Chief” within your own organization.

    And now you try to minimize my comparative accomplishments with your personal judgements of my life’s desires so you can hang me from the rope your own lack of integrity. Your hollow mountain grows to shadow my firm green valley undeserving your sun.

  18. D-5,

    Last time with this: I NEVER received an e-mail from you. I was NEVER forwarded an e-mail you sent to someone else in the organization. Did you ever hear from anyone here?

    I would have gladly explained your hiatus from commenting had you merely supplied a functioning e-mail. You insist on hiding in the shadows; that’s why the grass doesn’t grow.

    There are no posted rules here. I go by feeling. If I met somebody like you at a coffee shop and struck up a conversation and you acted the way you do regularly on here, I’d get up and walk away. Maybe we should write out rules, but until then I think I’ll just decide on a case-by-case basis. Your case? I don’t think you’re good for the site. I don’t think you honestly come here hoping to engage in thoughtful, relevant conversation. You hurt the quality of our blog.

    Nothing I’ve ever said has come close to touching on your life’s desires. You inflate and conflate repeatedly.

    If you are bi-polar, I hope you are getting help. I have had people who are very close to me deal with that, and have been heartened by how effective treatment has been.

  19. I don’t spend a lot of time in sit-down coffee shops, but I do enjoy the occasional spin by the drive-thru window at Dunkin’ Donuts..Usually just a large with heavy dose of cream…three sugar packets, and two regular glazed.

    I’m probably not very good for your Hoosier Scoop site..And I’m glad you told me how you really feel. I doubt you would have been as honest in the professional constraints of an e-mail exchange..Blogs tend to take down barriers…With the tiny stage spotlight on only words, the dropping of first reactions and assessments each other based on titles/profession and discriminate eye, our real identities are cast like piles of indistinct briquettes into a fiery pit of charcoal confusion. People often show some very different sides once the match gets tossed to coal saturated with the fuel of feelings uninhibited..Far more flame roars up than you would ever engage in quaint coffee shops, the standard fare of a sports interview or suit and tie electronic exchanges.

    My father taught me tolerance..And though I had many on your blog that took my head off for being cantankerous and “wildly” different, I can look myself in an honest mirror to know I tried my best to not retaliate in same..You have a strong negative perception of me, but at least you’ve challenged yourself to engage and try to find some good in what you’ve always perceived with ill stomach..I really don’t think you took down your barriers from start. Maybe I’m wrong in feeling that way, but I sensed you didn’t want me on the blog from the beginning..And now in your final assessment, all has justified what you initially presumed about Downing…You’ve come up empty as suspected and intended… You won’t be the first to have such view on a blog, or on the street. The team of Korman memory cells has thoroughly combed the blogging crime scene. Never a Scoop case as this case brought to trial …Cut and dry….Downing is the worst case of any nutcase Judge Korman has required to sentence by a jury of his own smears. There’s not a strand of decent DNA in Downing to exonerate the ingrate of inflate and conflate. Send him away to Devil’s Hype Island! …But isn’t is rather strange that I’m portrayed as such a menace to the blogging society, but one of Scoop’s regulars is now taunting me at the place I intended to be my place of solitary exile…Why do you think that is, Chris? Why won’t they leave me alone? Why did this mystery blogger follow?(And we both know I’m not referring to Husky Tom). Such a nice added benefit to you to know have the mystery misfit posting less on Scoop…Ask one of your IDS friends if I’m responsible for the mess of rants, links, and ridiculousness occurring at end of this thread…There holds your truth not given by impartial jury… I know the misfit was responsible for a lot of your problems at Scoop…It’s the same blogger that prompted you to make the statement:

    “…..and, you’re right, it’s not like it settled down a whole lot here. Not sure what to do next.”

    We live in a lonely world of unforgiving and quick judgment… Though you paint quite the pathetic picture of me in your coffee shop analogy, I’m not so sure I should beat myself up too much…For I would never trade the one genuine friendship I made on a simple old blog…And far better I am to hear the harsh psychoanalysis and full portrayal my self-centered, bi-polar, and dysfunctional mannerisms delivered by the “real” Chris Korman…I like you much more now that I hear your honest voice and genuine beliefs…What a relief to hear at least one sincere voice than to have spent many years on here with the far more sorry and desperate souls commenting nicely about games of cherished sport, engaging ever so civil and politely(hope you realize some sarcasm there), and after all is said and done, I’m still doodling around having coffee shop conversation…I may have played the fool on your blog, but not such a fool to deceive myself in believing the truth behind the reason most seek these anonymous gathering holes away from the doldrums their detached daily existence…They come seeking nothing different than I. Unfortunately, like the blogger that came along as pair of shackles to my banished ankles from Scoop to Hoosier Hype, some just need it a little too much.

    Maybe the picture will become clearer. I doubt it.

  20. Downing,

    This exchange would have been much more open and honest via e-mail. You still have the option of taking it there. Or of calling. Or even visiting. I make myself quite available to the public.

    Until then, take care.

  21. Maybe someday make yourself available the reality of the motivation your deeds. That’s the door you wish to keep by use of condescension closed.

    Good luck to you, Chris.

  22. There’s some more of your evidence. I believe it’s post #38. In any future correspondence I will now refer to this blogger as Sir Ernest Shackleton..Seems appropriate for three reasons: (a)Probably would follow Husky and Downing to Antarctica..Though would prefer to drop Downing off in small raft with no water somewhere in the Drake Passage just beyond Cape Horn.. (b)There is nothing earnest about this misfit, and (c)If the shackles fit, wear it.

    • zbyscft | February 25th, 2010 at 3:13 pm |

    The IU wagon with Downing and Husky and a bummed out Tom Crean.


    I read a few of the comments on your IU sports chat session today..Noticed that you stated Dustin needs ideas for new stories. Here’s a couple:

    Inside Sources: An investigation probing why steveallfraud/4gords has more inside sources about transfers than Hoosier Scoop?

    Area News: Allegations of hideous acts from a high school with important ties to IU basketball…Specifically, are you going to push the envelope of controversy and put down a story about the Carmel high school basketball team bus incident? Makes casual marijuana and bad grades by the Sampson flunky/thugs look like child’s play compared to the allegations/rumors surrounding the sickos that sent a kid to a hospital. Haven’t we offered a big from Carmel a scholarship?

    I like the idea of using this thread as my thought dumping ground. I hope you don’t mind..I respect your right to remain silent or shut me up.

  23. I should have really added a fourth reason for the stalking nickname…(d)an unbelievable story of Endurance.

    Away from his expeditions, Shackleton’s life was generally restless and unfulfilled. Courtesy: Wikipedia

    And I do think they used Husky sled dogs to reach the Pole..Hmmm? 5th reason?

  24. Appears to be quite the indignation over 4guards taking Scoop hostage. I must say GFDave’s Jeopardy parody was clever. I wonder if anyone has seen this recent thread on the New Mexico Daily Lobo? Do you think 4guards visits the UNM’s version of the IDS? Seeing how he is such a dedicated fan, I would hope so..The story is really nothing. Could be a hint of future academic problems, though I doubt it. Many of the comments/rebuttals are filled with hatred and some vicious attacks were taken at the individual that published the story. Looks like they take their improved state of hoops very seriously..I think you should place the thread into Hoosier Morning as one of your links…Watch your old regulars use it to go after 4gords/steveallfraud like starving lions attacking a hippo stuck in Scoop mud.

  25. I love how people like to mention Wooden went to Purdue..The guy was from Martinsville, where else was he to go?

  26. Sorry about going after the guy that helped his son make a Purdue poster. Loss of momentary self-control and etiquette. I would have rather the guy just say he’s switched allegiances. I just can’t help myself when someone pretends to be that nauseatingly pluralistic.

    Side Note: Did you guys catch Bob Knight on Mike & Mike this morning? Bobby was in rare form..Some good soundbites on NCAA tournament preparation, expanding the field of teams, and 4″ wide knots in “Digger” Phelp’s necktie.

  27. The young man that coaches Butler looks like the Jehovah’s Witness that came to my door yesterday.

  28. When I played at IU, I had friends playing at Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan State, Northwestern, Ohio State and Purdue. We remained friends except for that one Saturday every year. Athletes are not like fans, when the game is over it is over.

    I always figured Millport was Jay. What a wuss. Claimed he was finished posting and then came back to hit me with all those one-liner mean comments while hiding behind his new blogging name. Proved he’s no different than the type of nutcase football players he criticized on Scoop …Spear a guy with your helmet from his blindside and act like it was a clean hit. You should have thrown him out of the blogging game for unsportsmanlike conduct, Chris.

  29. Is Husky Tom right? Is he correct when he claims you protect 4gourds? Many moons ago on Basketblog, a journalist bragged about his basketball skills and how he thought he could try out for one of the walk-on spots on the team. His favorite movie was Hoosiers. Barf! It’s all becoming obvious. It’s why you tolerate him with no rebuttal. He’s too close to the connections of the crowd you mingle. He is the one that hides. Hides behind the abuse of his friendships with journalists that run the major Indiana sports blogs. And how it speaks to the sick viral disease that spreads internally within the Indiana basketball community that fights against the progress of our program. I fear it’s why we’ll be stuck in the past forever. What a pathetic zit to abuse the journalism profession he was not good enough for. It’s not about censorship. You’ve never challenged anything he says. You’ve challenged many bloggers in the past. Why not 4gourds? Is his daddy a member of the Bloomington Country Club and you get free golf?

  30. Hey Downing,

    I have no idea who 4guards is, and he’s also only ever changed his name once (from stevealford) after he was asked to.

    If he played on a summer team with Odle, he’s not one of the IDS writers I would know.

    Actually, I have poked fun of 4guards and his, umm, admiration for Mr. Alford. But as far as I can ever remember he only ever provoked anyone by reiterating the same opinion over and over.

    What bothered you so much about the Odle thing?

    By the way, I haven’t golfed in a long, long time.

  31. Hey Chris,

    Sorry it took me a while to get back with you.. I work midnight shift at very menial job and was super tired last night. It really had nothing to do with Odle. A lot of personal frustrations in my life right now and I let desires best restrained go unchecked in the temptations of the moment. It seems I gave him quite the start, and as usual I’m feeling guilty about the outburst.

    I just can’t understand the motivation to continually bash the program. I’ve never been a huge Tom Crean fan, but I think 4guards shtick is very unhealthy. It is a contagion. It’s the same contagion that sent Mike Davis packing. It’s the same contagion, minus NCAA fiasco investigation, that with or without phone calls would have sent Sampson packing. Is it not hypocritical to talk of the last trip to a Final Four with Odle, Jeffries, and rest the company of Hoosiers, as “glory days” when Davis soon found himself under the same barrage of blown-out-of-proportion expectations to make Indiana a basketball powerhouse overnight? It’s never going to be good enough, Chris. We’re with our third coach in a decade and now the contagion begins to spread through the underground of the Yacht Club again. I’ve attached you to the slogan and kid that you’re part of the Yacht Club. In truth, I have the feeling you’re far removed from the crowd that will never be happy with the state of affairs surrounding Indiana Basketball. When will any of us be happy? When will the quest end for something we can never get back? This is the virus we carry. It’s killing Indiana Basketball. We’re not alone. It’s killing the basketball program in the state adjacent our southern border. It’s a product of the day. I’m sure it will kill many more. A coach tries to build a program the right way and the unrealistic timetables begin to crush in around him. The constant battle against programs that cheat the system, an unexpected injury of a top player..the loss of a key recruit to another program…a year with small pool of local/in-state talent. All it takes is a few unexpected/unanticipated setbacks and the drums start to beat again. Davis can’t coach! Sampson is a crook and his players took drugs! Crean can only clap and pace the floor! Alford is a god! Bring back Bobby Knight! Give us back the glory that once was!

    How can I bring this back to golf? How much time do you have, Chris? Is the topic golf? I also haven’t golfed for a long, long time. I have many in my family that are damn good golfers. For some reason they never ask me on outings. Maybe the topic should be Glory Days? Retaliation? Kindness? What is the topic of this thread? Bipolar rants from the Downing Diary? How can I tie this rant to basketball? How much time do you have, Chris? I’ll give it my best shot. Let’s stick with golf.

    I had an uncle from Detroit that used to love to golf. He also loved tennis. He had such a wonderful attitude about sports. He loved to play them for the challenge. He wanted to find a way to make himself better at the game without the game becoming bigger than it need be…Does that make any sense? He rarely went a breathing moment without a smile on his face. I carry nothing in my veins of his great attitude(My late aunt was carrier the bloodline from my side of the family)..I so much wish I had only a few of Uncle Leonard’s capillaries of virtuousness. He was fiercely determined but always kind. He just plain enjoyed life. He never examined you for flaws. He looked for the good in people. I only played golf with him one time. He and my aunt had come down from Detroit for a visit. I can’t remember the occasion, but he wanted to play a round of golf and asked me to join him at a course of my choosing. Just the two of us. We went to a place called Robbinhurst. I was a young teenager and I sucked at the game..I still suck at the game..hence why I’m rarely invited. My uncle had never bragged at his abilities and I didn’t know what to expect. That should have been my clue. He was good. I was Shankopotamus nephew. I doubt he would have been any happier to be with Arnold Palmer. We were out on the course and the skies opened up. It wasn’t bolts of lightning. It was just hard and steady… cold and nasty stuff. We had hardly started the second hole and the rain began to come down in buckets. Of course, he was prepared. He had lightweight rain gear in his small golf bag of only necessary clubs and quickly slipped it on. Of course, I wasn’t prepared..Lots of needless clubs..No gear. I wasn’t even worthy of being called a golfer. I’m sure he asked me if I was o.k. with getting wet and playing in the rain. Hell ya! The golfing had nothing to do with what a great time I was already having. My Uncle Len never lost his smile. He never stopped encouraging me to keep at it. He never cussed at bad shots or the bad fortune to have an ugly day get in the way of his fun with nephew. It added to the fun. It added to the delight of the game as he encouraged me on. He focused in more..He became the game.

    My Uncle Len died of complications from Parkinson’s disease…Fifteen years before he passed away he had his aorta explode on a tennis court. The doctors could find no explanation how he survived the massive heart attack. I guess he was given a let.

    How does any of this relate to Indiana basketball? Maybe it doesn’t. Maybe I’m just a nutcase. All I know is the most fun I’ve ever had on a golf course was the day my Uncle Len gave me a lesson in loving life more than golf.

  32. I’m not making this stuff up..I just opened the link I provided you. Just had a great laugh…

    It’s always a great day at Robbinhurst. We are playable after heavy rain!

  33. Another Suggestion for Hoosier Morning story:

    Did you notice Ray McCallum has the Titans in the semifinals of the Horizon League tournament?

    Doubt if McCallum will be nominated for coach of the year, but wouldn’t it be something if they could go from a 7 seed to win the tournament? Titans played Butler(#12) very tight in their two conference meetings including a heartbreak loss at home by only a bucket. Holman and Keeling playing in Hinkle Fieldhouse for and outside shot at getting into the NCAA tournament. What a great story of redemption if they could win that thing.
    I’ve never been in Hinkle..So much Indiana basketball history. I would love to have tickets if it comes down to Detroit vs Butler.

    Funny Side Story: Speaking of Indiana basketball history..My wife is an exercise junkie. She came home tonight from her workout and dropped a name on me and asked if I had ever heard of the individual… The name sort of rang a bell with me…I thought it was an athlete, but I wasn’t totally sure. Then the light bulb went off when she showed me his business card. Turns out that he came up to her at a health club she frequents and they got into a little chat..Told her she had great running form and was complimenting her stride, etc…The conversation went into introductions and he told her his name…My wife is completely devoid of interest in sports and was clueless when he handed her his business card…Little did she know she was the recipient of a no-look, flirtatious, behind-the-back pass from Hallie Bryant. I could almost imagine “Meadowlark” Lemon cracking up when Hallie showed my wife his Harlem Globetrotter card and she still was clueless.

    ● A life-long resident of Indiana, Bryant graduated from historical Crispus Attucks High School in Indianapolis
    ● Indiana’s “Mr. Basketball” in 1953
    ● A member of the state of Indiana and IU Basketball Halls of Fame.
    ● Three-year letter winner at Indiana University, and helped lead the Indiana Hoosiers to the Big Ten Conference title in 1957
    ● 27-year career with the Harlem Globetrotters

    …from 1950 to 1957, the Crispus Attucks Tigers were the most invincible team this basketball-crazed state had seen. Their high-scoring, high-flying, ultra-athletic ways led them to six regional championships, four semi-state championships and back-to-back state titles in 1955 and ’56. The Tigers went 179-20 in that span, won what was then a record 45 games in a row, and in ’56 completed the state’s first undefeated season. The group included not only Robertson, a member of the Basketball Hall of Fame, but Hallie Bryant and Willie Gardner, two of the 28 members of the Harlem Globetrotters’ prestigious Legends Ring.

  34. Nice to see Husky return to Scoop as “Julius Peppers”..He knows I’m a Bears fan and was seeing if I would pick up on his pseudonym.


    Nice job by the Hoosiers today. Hulls finally stroking the ball with confidence..Guts, glory, game, and gumption written all over his grumpy face. Elston and Watford will grow into one hell of a pair of Hoosier forwards. All the joy of a nice win, but at times I feel bad for Pritchard. I doubt Pritch will be a Hoosier next year. I really liked the guy and it’s been troubling to see his game digress. He had so, so much potential..When I first saw him play, I thought he had all the tools to be a real force in the middle. I do now believe his heart went out the door with Kelvin Sampson..What a strange season. Sadly, at times I feel far removed from this team as a fan.


    I went to Hinkle today..Completely spontaneous trip..Got some great seats. What a cool old basketball house. My seats were the Wright State designated section, but they were wrongly matched my desires for victor. There was a small contingent of loyal Detroit fans that made the trip that included the Titan mascot in modest-budget costume and a jazzy little pep band with tons of energy. The Titans cheerleading squad fit the perfect bill for a game at old Hinkle..They lacked the huge array of acrobatics and refinement that you see in the big D-1 schools and that’s what made them more delight to watch. They looked so young and full of heart..Their smiles were alive and they didn’t look like interchangeable Barbie Doll clones. They were real and they were cheering for a team that had a lot of odds stacked against them..Kids that have grown up in circumstances that most of us munching on our popcorn perched in stands high above have probably never known..Today was not to be. Eli Holman looked dejected…His head never seemed in the game from the start and he stood with brooding expression at the back of team huddles by end of game..He and Keeling never could get on track..Chase Simon couldn’t do a very good impression of Oscar Robertson. They did their best with a good coach; a bumped around coach that hasn’t given up on winning a bigger game than most will play on any March Madness day. He brought his team to Indiana with his head held high. Back to the memories of swept under rug deeds and the harsh realities of no second chances. Still not willing to quit on a couple young men that were returning just forty miles north a Hoosier Nation that had cast them out the back door like dirt that didn’t fill perfectly a clay pot world. Five plus decades a different time a team named Crispus Attucks played in Hinkle Fieldhouse for a state championship, but maybe not so different a day.

  35. I know the writing is raw..not the stuff of a journalism graduate from Columbia. Never the word to grace the pages an editorial section of Herald Times. Never the opinion, either.

  36. Thanks for reading. The Detroit vs. Wright State game was the most fun I’ve had at a basketball game in a long time. Have you ever visited Hinkle? If not, I would highly recommend finding the time to catch a basketball game there…Not a bad seat in the place and the history of Indiana hoops possesses you the moment you walk in.

  37. Saint Mary’s? Ben Allen? I did not know that’s where he ended up. Wow. The Gaels are blowing out Gonzaga and will be in the Big Dance. 2xWow. Ben Allen has 20 points….3xWow.

    Why did I think Allen was a Hoosier about 8 years ago?…Losing all concept of time.

  38. Just a note from the game at Hinkle over the weekend:

    It turns out that Downing wasn’t the only very important person at the Detroit vs Wright State game..During the first half, a very nicely dressed couple came up to the row where my wife and I had our $50.00 pair of seats….They didn’t look in proper attire for a college basketball game. She was in black dress with wide gold belt and he was in suit and tie..they looked like they were ready to go out for a fine dinner..They only stayed for about 15 minutes..A couple different women came up to say a few words and compliment the petite lady’s dress and her glitzy gold belt..You can do so much with a black dress..A change of purse and belt..Accessories are so important..Keeps it fresh…So versatile to be able to dress up a narrow waist with 14 karat metal, or take it down a notch with fabric belt..I guess you could say I was dressing down for the game…I was wearing a clear plastic container on my waste that I had just purchased at concessions stand.. I found it to be the perfect accent of nachos, Cheez Whiz, and pile of jalapenos to camouflage my thin waistline..Sorry for that fashion digression…We soon noticed some bodyguards hovering around the aisles…I didn’t think it was the nacho police, though I did begin to feel a bit paranoid that many eyes were watching as I gorge on mountain of round corn chips….There were many available seats in various rows and plenty of empty chairs(we were in Section 1, Row N-the first section of the lower level as you walk into the gym), but with her 4″ wide gaudy gold belt of humility and my pile of overly pretentious nachos, we must have looked the perfect Indiana common folk couple to unassumingly blend…But just who did they think they were to come up to our row, plop near royalty, and not even say hello?..The nerve!
    I thought he was likely a sports executive/owner….My wife thought they were of political clout…Turns out she was right. I guess it’s rather ugly example of our sheltered life that we didn’t immediately recognize the Indianapolis mayor and his wife.

    Sorry to bore you with another one of my brush with greatness stories. Just thought it was a bit interesting that Ballard and his wife showed up for the Detroit vs Wright State game..And even more strange that they refused to pay homage Downing’s 5th sitting with Hallie Bryant’s ultimate fantasy lady.


    Hallie Bryant started another conversation with my wife last night at the health club. I may have to intervene soon. I think he has a crush.

  39. Because I don’t think I have the energy to keep up this diary, and the added state of fortunateness you’ll find yourself in due to Downing losing whatever small and sincere interest he ever had in commenting on Hoosier sports, I do believe this will be my last post on Scoop.

    Did I tell you my wife recently road twelve floors as the sole other occupant in an elevator with Puss in Boots from Shrek? It’s true…She was on a business trip and staying at the Davenport Hotel(Spokane, Washington)…She road floors with the Hollywood Casanova…Though I don’t believe any Zorro marks were left on wood panels of elevator’s interior, he did manage to say hello to her in his marvelously seductive Spanish accent.. And yes, my wonderfully innocent and hard-working wife was unaware she was going down, going all the way down, with Antonio Banderas. Security greeted him at the lobby.

    Goodbye to you, Chris…Goodbye to all at Scoop. I took my chances.

    Downing’s 5th

  40. A husky Sally sells silly seashells by the Seattle seashore.

    I’ve known for some time the true identity of Casey…Nice job keeping his secret.

    It’s been fun.

  41. Do I really write like a 7th grader? Ouch. You need thick skin in the blogoshpere. Maybe I deserved it.

  42. I hope you don’t have the same soured opinion of Downing as most on your blog. Never a kind word be found. I don’t think I have the stomach for the vicious attacks anymore, nor the desire to fall into the narcissistic trappings of this pretend blogging world that will undoubtedly bring out the reflecting charade I see myself.

    Never can say goodbye. Long live Scoop.

    See ya, Chris

  43. Hi Korman-

    You must admit…though they knock me down, I get back up. Most don’t believe Wayne Newton killed that old lady. I send you the rare video footage as a present for your tolerance of Chill. The horrific act happened faster than an Eric Gordon crossover dribble…1:59 mark of clip.

    They really love me on Scoop.

  44. When I arrived, I saw IU as a basketball blue-blood that had sold its sole for Knight’s success and was now dealing with the ramifications.

    You might want to go fix that spelling error in your last LiveChat.

  45. A crazy fool I am…Crash and burn, I’ll never learn.

    You have a good heart, Korman. You showed me kindness in allowing my return.

  46. Hey Chris-

    I covered the only angle(albeit a very obscure angle) that you overlooked in the McClain vs. Fife hire decision. Can any former IU player that idolizes Knight have realistic shot at a coaching position when the main patient refuses to forgive and swallow one tablet Crean’s healing words of medicine? Does this not harm Crean’s recruiting abilities? I think it harms him immensely. He not only has to rebuild in the face of the NCAA war against IU that decimated the program, but must also fight the cold shoulder of Knight on Indiana Basketball. Just think of how much excitement and positive reaction would have been created in the Verizon commercial if Knight would have stormed into the scene in his favorite plaid Hoosier sport coat? I bet it still hangs in his closet.

    I’ll slow down with the postings..Thanks for the free admission. Guess I’m no longer worthy of response. Enjoy your night.

    DA BULLS!! Aren’t they fun to watch? Rose is unbelievable.

  47. 4guards continues to attempt to barrage with months of facts the reasons Crean’s incompetence. Why? Why is the weakest rationale of prejudiced thoughts so more powerful than intuition of sincerest heart?

    I tend to think we don’t agree with 4guards anti-Crean spiel for fear we give any hint of unveiling the truth that hides deep below and festers in our gut. What a mistake IU has made to bring such bigotry to our door. It is Tom Crean that has brought something other than basketball to Indiana.

    4guards provides convenient scapegoat for respite the guilty conscience dealings of our cloaked agreement. And thus what seems to be a bombardment of cannon fire to destroy Crean’s reputation becomes his fortress against any honest opportunity of others to launch one buckshot of silenced inner feelings and doubt.

    How ingenious of 4guards to protect by pretense of spite. How ingenious we serve his true desire to protect Tom Crean for we not dare association with his massacre.

  48. Jeff Showalter sure is an interesting character..Think those rants are sincere or simply intended for boosting ratings on Sterling’s blog site? You guys actually talk with Showalter via his Twitter page? You’re “followers”? Makes me wonder if he’s 4guards…?

    1. I’m not even really sure who Showalter is, and I don’t regularly read Sterling’s blog (who I also don’t know). Should I know who they are? And what rants are you referring to?

  49. Here’s an excerpt of Showalter mentioning Dustin in a piece he wrote for Sterling’s site:

    Speaking of the new assistant coach, Dustin Dopirak from the Bloomington Herald-Times, tweeted to me that McClain said, and I quote “”I’ve never had a job where we didn’t have to recruit nationally”.

    Showalter writes columns titled Sports from the Couch…His rants mirror so closely the anti-Crean sentiment of 4guards, I’m wondering how slim the percentages a person in existence with the same spiel and identical criticisms..If this guy is not 4guards, then the only other possibility is 4guards is the twin brother he carries around in a picnic basket. Read some of his past columns and tell me he doesn’t sound like 4guards.

    Your name comes up on his Twitter page quite don’t use Twitter so I’m not sure if the entries are communications or just comments he sent to you. I saw quite a few entries with your name mentioned you on his Twitter page.. Along with dropping Dustin’s name in the piece I noted above, it certainly seems he’s plenty familiar with Hoosier Scoop. If this blowhard is not 4guards or his twin brother, we should at least arrange some sort of meeting…for they are a match made in heaven.

    Tom sure took some pretty nasty shots at me. Did I deserve that? Guess I’ve been making too much trouble on Scoop. Sounds like all just wish I go away.

  50. Oops..”Your name comes up on his Twitter page quite [often]. I don’t use Twitter so I’m not sure if the entries are [two-way] communications or just comments he sent to you”.

    Hope that makes more sense. I must get some sleep. Thanks for your reply, Chris.

  51. Hope you appreciate my recent on-topic basketball posts..Maybe a Venessa Williams song is in order…?..Who’s the “RAM” dude? What a surprise..another Sampson hater. He/she sure tries to ram it down the throat. I get so sick of the hate. You can pick up the pieces and move forward without that crap. There have been past programs in sports decimated due to events other than unscrupulous coaches or the recruiting of players with questionable moral fiber. Did the Marshall football team spend the next 10 years in the dark pursuit of revenge?

  52. When I saw you getting along with 4guards today, I looked to the sky. Meteors were not falling. Not sure what this means.

    We generally try to reply to anyone who “tweets” at us, as the new media trainer guy who came to explain the whole thing advised us to do. Generally my twitter conversations take place with people I know, but I often hear from people I’ve never heard of. Including Showalter. Obviously I will try to check out what these two are writing on a more frequent basis.

  53. Give it another hour…If there is still amiable discussions, then the cosmos may be collapsing and it might not be a bad idea to respond to Carl Sagan’s tweet.

    Thanks for being a good ear.

  54. Looks like the sky isn’t falling. Hostility prevails and Scoop hangs on by thread…Close call.

  55. I’m a true narcissistic and jealous a$$hole…Had no reason to go after you guys so hard. Don’t have much face to save, but felt a need to apologize.

    Please don’t take any of my crap seriously..It’s a product of my own lack of confidence and inner struggle of believing a person much use for this world. Once again, I’m sorry.

  56. I forgot a link..I heard this story on NPR radio this morning. The story made me feel good..a story of hope and perseverance in this often very nasty world of labels and shot down dreams.

    Now I’ll leave you alone. Enjoy your Cutty Sark.

  57. Gone are the days where local traditions and state pride play a strong role in decisions. It is much easier to go where you will get the most exposure and the quickest path to stardom.

    Now who’s making him into an immortal? I think there are still kids that aren’t drowning in their own egos. I think Zeller is not in that category. We have some pretty decent players(arguably as talented as this kid minus local hype)currently on our team. Your “most exposure” statement holds true to this overrated local name that has used his family pedigree to make this a much bigger spectacle than deserved. And for Zeller, the best pathway to the most exposure, and the closest thing he’ll ever get to stardom, will be in Bloomington.

    Just landing the kid will likely increase the number of games ESPN and CBS contractually agrees to air with IU in 2011. All the pregame hype/attention during these broadcasts will be focused on the Zeller story and there’s no doubt the “savior” garbage(along with the savior coach that is resurrecting the Knight castle) plays into everything needed to boost ratings even higher. 4guards is correct. Crean will be instantly receives his carte blanche of legitimization and we become momentarily relevant again because of the ramifications the bright lights on our program. This is why I’ve always believed 4guards want’s nothing more than Tom Crean at the helm our ship. This is the age we live in. Manufactured stars are only needed for quick flash across the sky. Nothing of godlike status is achieved for Cody by going to NC. We created this prayer monster to dance on stage and hang our hopes. NC already has a deep and monstrous lineup. He’s just another tall piece of better-than-average timber sitting on their bench. Where’s the big headline at that party? They don’t need false hope and manufactured idols.

    There’s never been a doubt in my mind Cody Zeller comes to Indiana. He would have made a simple decision long ago if it had anything to do with the humble intentions a genuine attachment of a heart. The beauty in the whole affair would be for him to shoot IU with all the force an elephant stun gun, decide at a tiny gym in Southern Indiana to be a Tar Heel, and competently prove me wrong tomorrow. Though damaging to our yearning desire a resurrection moment to justify the bigotry cast upon many good kids our last witch hunt, I hope he steamrolls this holier-than-thou hype machine with a dose of shocking and memorable theatre.

  58. oops..

    “The beauty in the whole affair would be for him to shoot IU with all the force an elephant stun gun, decide at a tiny gym in Southern Indiana to be a Tar Heel, and [completely] prove me wrong tomorrow.”

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