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  1. Mike P, I agree. I loved Albers story and it was right on. Also, have you seen a worse run game at IU? I watched the game on DVR…the corners are 8-12 yards off the WR and Evans is taking really bad angles. Why is Chap not throwing the long ball out or over the middle??? Lastly, I will say that the D is in the right place some of the time but tackling is just awful. They would do well to start from scratch and get a tackling guru to come in and teach and show film.

  2. I knew Michel was a wasted scholarship, but I did not know he actually regressed from freshman to sophomore year.

  3. I thought you loved football, 1sporttard. You are like a friggin broken record with your attempt to constantly bring the conversation back to basketball and Crean-bashing.

  4. Conspicuously absent is Clarion’s positive spin machine. Maybe he is running out of material. Albers was right on when he said:

    “It’s interesting how every IU player and coach we talked to alluded to Ohio State’s ranking. That tells a lot about where this program is in comparison to other schools. Most players and coaches would tell you they don’t pay any attention to the rankings.

    The Hoosiers can’t go 30 seconds without mentioning it.”

    I know it is still a long season and a bowl is possible, especially after next week’s game (by the way, if we lose that one, Fire Lynch Now). But so far nothing has changed. No way this offense should only put up 10 garbage points on anyone.

  5. I’m not upset that we did not beat OSU, Did not expect us to. I am upset that we did not compete consistently and with any guts. The football program keeps getting closer to “the corner, ” but has yet to turn the corner. While showing progress from time to time, we continue to lack consistency on either side of the ball. These next few weeks are absolutely critical if we have any chance of getting to even a minor bowl. My guess is that we are fairly banged up coming off the OSU game so a win against Arkansas State is not a given. Then we return to playing conference opponents which, in almost every case, have more mature programs. So, the hope is there, but the prognosis is guarded at best.

  6. If football fans could abandon the short-term focus of getting to a bottom-tier bowl game, and not get overly bent out of shape if a few losses and grumblings from the seats be the price of a new focus aimed at playing stronger opponents early in the season, then maybe, someday, IU football could show a sign of a pulse in the span of 25 years.

    Coaches buy more time their yearly successions of incompetence with this type of false hope. You don’t get in a boxing ring with featherweights for three straight weeks to prepare for Mike Tyson.

  7. Conspicuously absent????

    Albers took the popular, easy route for his scratching. Besides IU, I am very interested as to who the other college FB teams staff and players he has interviewed that were playing or played a #1 or #2 team. I bet ZERO since he never rights about them. So he could be viewed as a liar. Sensationalizing is the theme for journalism of today. For them being original is mundane and does nothing to stroke their fragile, turgid egos.
    My eyes saw in Columbus exactly what I thought they would see. There was nothing surprising, so there was nothing to sensationalize. Hell the Ducks in the Rose Bowl only chalked up 17 with their first string offense playing till the end of the game against the Bucks just 9 months ago. Nope there was nothing surprising in Columbus.

  8. right, write, rite or wright??? Oh Yah.

    The IU/Buckeye game was so easy to predict the Vegas boys owe me.

  9. Clarion, what would your view be? Our first string of our improved football team could not score. Don’t you see a problem? You have to admit that is was surprising to see such a great offense at IU not score one touchdown. They were not even competitive! It is damn embarrassing!

  10. Once again, what bothers me more than anything is that Bill Lynch doesn’t seem to have much of an issue with losing.

    Based solely on his comments, he has to be one of the most complacent coaches I’ve ever heard speak. Every one of his quotes features some qualifying statement about how good the other team is or how well they played.

    Sure, it’s classy and fair to give credit to the opponent when they play well, but I feel like Lynch uses the success of other teams as a safety net for every defeat.

    Lose to Michigan? “No one’s gonna stop Denard Robinson (MSU, anyone?). You have to give him and Michigan credit.”

    Lose to Ohio State? “We were outplayed, but they’re really good. Did I mention they’re really highly ranked?”

    The real problem is, I think he has his team going into games with this mentality. Until losing to better ranked teams is no longer a forgone conclusion heading into these games, we’ll never make the progress fans are hoping for.

    To Lynch — More pieces of thrown gum; fewer excuses.

  11. Casey – I take it you’re a bob knight fan? Lynch is leading his players by showing composure and class with the press. I’m sure the players see a different side of Lynch at practice and in the locker room.

  12. Aruss,

    You’re obviously missing the point.

    I’m not literally calling for Lynch to lose his composure. I’m simply pointing out that the only times I’ve seen any hatred for losing evident in Lynch were the one or two times he threw his gum during a game.

    And people need to realize that the press is by all means a tool a coach can use to motivate his players. I can count on one hand the number of coaches who haven’t ever used a public statement to the press as a way to give their team a swift kick in the pants from time to time. Sure, Lynch is probably less civil behind closed doors — but to what degree? I don’t think what we see in press conferences is that much different from how he is in general.

    I respect that Lynch doesn’t want to throw anyone under the bus — I really do. And I have nothing but admiration for the character and composure he displays. That’s never been an issue.

    What is an issue, in my opinion, is that he seems to accept losses all too easily. If he doesn’t want to use the press as a means by which to put players or units through the grinder, then why use it as a means for giving his team an excuse? Why take them off the hook?

    It gets old. Even if we have a perfectly good excuse for losing a game, making it public for the team to embrace has never been a good way to motivate them to play better and harder.

    I’m a colts fan. I watched a decade of Tony Dungy. I have no problem with a soft-spoken, well-composed coach. But Dungy didn’t make excuses, and he won games.

  13. Intelligent kid, this Mr. Albers.

    Correction to Mr. Chappell: “I NEED TO EXECUTE BETTER.”

    Question (while acknowledge good strides in improvement of recruiting and offense). Is asking for the leaders accountability for officers who failed to prepare security for his men a cause for loss of the people’s trust?

    Do I recall correctly that Coach Lynch shares authority of his defensive leaders by assigning it to more than one? Is this the beginning of the confusion and , does it lead to the chaos in our defensive lines?

    Should the leader be accountable to the people for these failures? Can the leader face the people?

  14. This is for anyone out there, especially KevinK and Mike P and I hope you are reading this. I noticed the announcer said at least 3 times that he was surprised that IU had NO audibles and that Chap was not reading the defense OSU put on the field. Not just the blitz package but how the CB and secondary is lined up. No matter what play was called, that was what IU was running…no change ups. Chap is a senior and a smart kid. Is he not reading the D or are the coaches not having any check down/audible type plays. It was as if OSU knew every play IU was running, especially the run plays.

  15. Your observation (Andy’s)is very telling: “That was a second-down play. Chappell almost never got a chance to try a first-down pass in the first quarter. Five out of six IU offensive plays on first down during the opening period were rushes, to no positive effect.” Indiana is a very good/great passing team that is mediocre at best in most other areas of the game. We were totally outmatched talent wise against a great OH St team. So to have a chance of winning the game we had to throw the ball! First down is the BEST down to throw on! IU must throw the ball 70% to have a real shot at winning any game against a normal opponent. In this game we passed 54.7% and ran the ball 45.3%. Each pass attempt generated 4.03 yards! Each run attempt generated 2.38 yards! OH St was set up to stop the PASS and we were still much more effective when passing! The play selection/game plan offensively for Indiana was horrible, cowardly, and stupid given the facts. Now, would IU have won the game if it had embraced it’s principal asset (the passing offense), probably less than a 10% chance. But the 45.3/54.7 mix was a classic “give up”. Do what you can do well, pass the ball!

  16. 4 guards/your a stupid jerk who knows nothing about sports of anykind. Move to Kentucky for me, so i don’t have to listen to you.

  17. JPat,

    Nothing on Saturday in Columbus surprised me. 27 1/2% of the starting offense did not play. I saw what happened to the Ducks offense in January.

    The announcer was wanting to listen to himself talk. He was wrong. Many audibles were decoyed or made.

    Casey,

    Lynch acts no different at a press conference than Paterno or Tressel do.

  18. The reality is that we don’t know how good our passing game really is. I do think that Ben is a solid QB and we have some stud receivers, no doubt. However, our OL is suspect and banged up. We did well against non conference competition and against a Michigan defense that is not very good. But to perform against teams with an effective pass rush (OSU, Iowa, Wis, MSU, PSU and Illinois) is another story. Our running game is weak at best. I think Willis has some skill, but is clearly not durable. Our D requires no further comment. So, all in all, QB and Receivers aside; we’re going to have a heck of time beating any of our B10 opponents with the possible exception of Northwestern.

  19. Clarion,

    Paterno and Tressel can do that — because they almost always win the games about which they’re answering questions. The way they operate clearly works. The way Lynch operates has yet to prove successful.

    I have no problems with Lynch as a person, and I hate to say it, but I think the greatest thing he could accomplish at IU is getting our program to the point that it’s stable and promising enough to be an enticing location for a better, younger coach. I just don’t see us being any better than a team that hovers around or below the .500 mark as long as Lynch is here.

    I hope I’m wrong, I just don’t think I am.

  20. Casey,

    It is not something you earn. Winning or losing has nothing to do with it. It is the type of men they are. Mallory did not have a winning career record at IU either, but I could have added him also. They were all raised to be gentlemen first. So just plan on being unhappy about you want to hear at a Coach Lynch presser.

  21. Clarion, I watched the game on DVR and watched each play 2 or 3 times. Chap did not adjust at all! That is a fact. what I want to know is, is it his fault or the coaches or both?

  22. It is monday and I am still aggravated about saturday.

    Why doesn’t our team seem to play with the intensity/passion that some of the other teams played with around the country?

    Even purdue…i can’t believe i am even mentioning them…even pu went on the road with no qb, no rb, and no wr and won ON THE ROAD against an unbeaten Northwestern team that was ranked? Didn’t seem to bother them!

    JPat-I was on the road for the first half listening to the radio, and our announcers were very critical of our team–especially the offensive play calling. Way too conservative.

    From my perspective it does seem that the losing is expected and excused too much.

    Comparing Lynch to Tressel or Paterno? Puhleeze. Those are well-respected championship caliber coaches that probably don’t even have to say a word to a player when upset with them. I bet the wrong stare is all it takes to get the player’s attention.

    Hep? I saw him his first year(I think) on TV at Illinois. He watched our dbs get beat deep repeatedly in the first half. After the third or fourth bomb, he got in their faces, sat them down, addressed the issue passionately, and IU won that game. I never ever met the man, but I admired his passion, and he won me over completely that day.

    The BigTen now? What we know is that there are no–NO– conference games the rest of the year on our schedule that we deserve(right now) to be favored to win. It still burns my backside that we have Arkansas State scheduled for homecoming!

    A few weeks ago some bloggers were considering multiple wins against the second tier teams a foregone conclusion and a bowl game likely.

    I hope we get those wins. I think we have a pretty good group of young men representing the university. They just need somebody to coach them up during the week, and light the fire on game day.

  23. Clarion,

    We may have to agree to disagree on this one, but I’m not bothered by Lynch’s demeanor.

    I’m bothered by the fact that he’s perpetually making excuses for why we got our asses kicked in a given game. A 31-0 halftime deficit is embarrassing. For a team that has supposedly improved, that’s a startling score.

    I still love our offense, and I still love the Hoosiers — I just think a bit more urgency in how we prepare, practice and play is in order. And if we go into a game with the opponent’s national ranking in our heads, hoping simply to compete, expecting defeat and playing cautiously, then the high points for this program will continue to be few and far between.

  24. I have respect for Coach Lynch and what he has tried to do in building the program. But I have problems dealing with quotes like “Our goal is we want to give up four or less a game” speaking of big plays. Well, I am from the school of thought that you try to eliminate all problems. What if the four big plays result in 28 points for the competition? You are assuming the big plays aren’t big gainers. How many coaches out there do you hear making statements like that week after week? Secondly, we are only X number of plays from being successful. If you believe in what you are doing, then you should not have to say we missed our mark by this much. Perhaps, here were the key areas where we missed the mark and those specific areas are being addressed through recruiting, changes in focusing to eliminate them in practice, etc. Just my two cents. He loses me with those statements.

  25. Lynch’s demeanor is not the issue. I’m sure he’s a good, honest man with sensitivity toward his players’ feelings and self esteem. The problem is, he does not have the talent to coach in the Big Ten. Specifically, he can’t recruit the talent necessary to compete in the Big Ten. I believe that after the 2010 season is complete, it will be obvious that IU football has not made progress, but it fact has regressed. Hope I’m wrong, but I think I’ve seen this movie before.

    Mike Stoops, at University of Arizona, is very animated. He’s a crazy man on the sidelines. He uses his press conferences to both praise and criticize his team, but never isolating an individual player for criticism. His players love him and they play their asses off for him. Six years ago, Stoops took over an Arizona football program that was in the pits, at the bottom of the PAC Ten, a total disaster, and in far worse shape than Indiana was four years ago. After his fourth year, he took Arizona to their first Bowl game in a decade and defeated 17th ranked BYU. After last year’s 8 – 4 record, beating USC in LA, Arizona went to the Holiday Bowl. This year, Arizona has already defeated Iowa and California and been ranked in the AP Top 10 and is almost certain to go bolwing in December or January and finish the season ranked in the top 20.

    Arizona is an O.K. school, but it’s campus is not comparable to IUB. Academically, it’s not ranked as high as IUB. Arizona’s football facilities are sub par and not even close to IU’s beautiful new stadium addition, etc. Arizona has certainly never been a college football power, and was considered a Basketball school (sound familiar?), having only joined the PAC Ten in the last 25 years or so. And Arizona has never been to the Rose Bowl! When he got the job at Arizona, Stoops had no head coaching experience. He went against USC, Oregon, Cal and ASU and defeated every team in the PAC Ten at least once in his first four years. If Arizona is smart and keep Stoops happy, he’ll establish Arizona as a top 20 power and regular participant in the Rose Bowl.

    Why can’t Indiana do the same? Why can’t Indiana go out and get a young assistant coach from a winning program and support him in building IU into football respectability? All the ingrediants, except for football tradition, are there; great school, great campus, beautiful facilities. We just need a coach. And if that coach yells, throws his headset and shows some fire, who cares? Bill Lynch is a nice guy and he is finishing last. He’s got to go!

  26. I’ll never forget when Woody Hayes threw his hardest old-man punch at an opposing player on a nationally televised game. Shocking and hilarious at the same time..I’m going to go search for the clip in a moment.

    Let’s also not forget it was Hayes that planted the seed of now the great oak tree that put OSU on the national stage in the days when there were only four major football bowl games. Woody Hayes was the man that defined the toughness and tenacity of a Buckeye football team that their current coach, in his pretty sweater-vest and sunglasses, gets to keep calmly and collectively locked away in the poodle carrier his fine demeanor..It’s not surprising how that one shocking sideline incident of craziness by Woody Hayes left a national television audience with a permanent impression he had gone completely cuckoo. Maybe he was always a complete nutcase and mean bastard. We no longer hear that old history coming out of Columbus. They must be very averse these days the name of Woody Hayes in Buckeye land. Unlike many a young critic in Bloomington not even in diapers during the Bobby Knight years that can’t get enough of painting him the most wacko basketball coach of all-time. I guess we’re just a kinder, gentler nation “because it’s Indiana”.

    And the final videotape score….

    Bobby’s Chair 195 – Woody’s Fist 3

    I knew we could kick their a$$ at something.

    Sorry for such a long and unimportant diversion the needed topic discussion.

  27. Po-dunker: Thank you so much for the Arizona comparison. In reality, your argument is very, very hard to refute, but there is no doubt that Clarion will find a way to sidestep it by somehow claiming Arizona has “better talent to work with” or perhaps “better donors,” etc. For some, their glass of Lynchberg Lemonade is always half-full, and there is nothing you can do to sway them.

    Hell, Clarion and GF were making excuses and letting the coach off the hook for last year’s Virginia game, a game where the Hoosiers got trounced by a 3-9 team who smartly fired their coach that year.

    Meanwhile, Illinois beats Penn State, competes against OSU, but for us its all excuses and victimism…

  28. I’m an IU grad that grew up in Tucson and I think the Arizona analogy is flawed. Arizona had a VERY strong program for about 7-8 years in the early to late 90’s. I know they never went to the Rose Bowl, but their 1993 team that beat Miami in the Fiesta Bowl (where Miami didn’t cross their own 40 yd line) ended up #2 in the country.

    IU football has new facilities, but they aren’t even 2 yrs old. It is going to take time for the football program to reap the benefits in recruiting to take advantage of them.

    Mackavich almost sent the UofA program into oblivion, however, they weren’t even close to being as bad Indiana has been the last 15 years. Arizona dropped off the radar for about 6 years and returned to a bowl game. Plus, UofA fans have been filling the stadium regardless of how crappy the team has been.

    Stoops is a maniac that doesn’t have any self-control. He is a winning coach because he’s recruited well, has a solid coaching staff and he’s a smart coach. This whole thing about his sideline antics being what makes his players respond is total crap. Tressel, Chip Kelly and Nick Saban are pretty chill on the sidelines and they get results, too.

    Jury is out on whether Lynch can actually coach this program to the next level, but it isn’t because of his sideline mannerisms.

  29. Double Down: Fine. Substitute ‘Oregon State’ for ‘Arizona’ in this argument, then. OSU had something like 30 straight losing seasons, and no tradition to speak of whatsoever. An apathetic fan base worse than IU’s. Now look at them: the little team from Corvallis are the yearly darlings of the Pac 10. All because of a few well-selected coaches; not because of gimmicks from the AD.

    I swear IU is the only place in the land where building a program is seen as a 20 year project.

  30. Thanks, Double Down you stated my thoughts precisely.

    Casey, correct I do not agree. From all I have researched press conference rantings have never scored a point in any sport.

    Kevin K, please stay in the same context in regard to Coach Lynch, Paterno and Tressel. We were talking to the similar demeanor of the three at a press conference. Has nothing to do with earning anything.

    JPat, you saw none I saw a few. More adjustments vs. less adjustments with 2 starting OL missing against that D no doubt would have exposed us to more injury. Our schedule now is brighter having OSU in the rear-view mirror.

  31. It is very difficult to get a $1 million Head Coach for $300,000. It is very difficult to find a $1 million Head Coach who wants to risk his W/L record at IU. So you have to find a young, talented, almost fanatical and very aggressive head coach at a small school or assistant coach at a big school (sort of like Bob Knight was when he was hired). AD Glass has his work cut out for him. Go IU! PS, a better analogy to AZ and Oregon St would be KY or Louisville Football (or Kansas, Kansas St, Wake Forest, NC etc.). If you don’t recruit at least 4 players out of FL, 1 out of TX and 1 out of CA each year, then how can you ever be good nationally? If you don’t have 4-6 freshmen each year that you CAN NOT red-shirt because they are SO much better than anyone else on your team at their position, then how can you ever make a big improvement over previous year’s teams?

  32. Clarion, we can disagree on that one. I do agree that the schedule is brighter now. My question is where do we get our final wins?

  33. Good debate, but erroneous information is being used by some who continue to defend Lynch and make excuses for IU’s weak football program.
    I never said Arizona football had never had any success. They’ve had a few good years in the last 30. But generally, Arizona has not been recognized as a football power. When Stoops took over six years ago, Arizona football was in crisis. IU went to a Bowl game four years ago and was competitive. Four years ago, Arizona could only fanticize about going to a Bowl game. Which school had a healthier football program four years ago? The point is, since then, Arizona has been on the rise and IU has been in decline. What’s the key difference between the two football programs? It’s the head coach! One coach has demonstrated the ability to recruit talent that can compete within its conference, and the other has not. You’re really reaching if you suggest IUB has some other inherant disadvantage that prevents it from competing in football. IUB has a better campus, it has higher rated academics, it has better football facilities (even before the new stadium addition, they were better than Arizona’s dumpy stadium). What am I missing? The foundation is there, so don’t give me that drivel about football tradition and IUB being a basketball school. That’s just nonsense.

    Based on some of the Lynch defenders and their excuses, I wonder if the other key difference between IUB and schools like Arizona, that have turned their football program around, is willpower? Do IU’s alumni and fan base have the will to demand, of those running IUB, that they get it done, to demand that they not tolerate coaching failure? If not, why did IUB spend millions on the stadium addition. It’s nice, and it helps recruting, but it’s no substitue for a good coach that the best HS players want to play for.

    As for money, Stoops was not paid a million dollars when he first took the job at Arizona. Far from it. He was the lowest paid coach in the PAC Ten until after Arizona defeated BYU in the bowl game two years ago. Then Arizona gave Stoops a new contract and a significant raise. But I doubt Stoops is even in the top five highest paid coaches in the PAC Ten right now. If he goes to another Bowl this year, Arizona will have to upgrade his contract again, or they will lose him. Indiana does not need to offer a million dollars a year to attract a good young coach. But they will need to create an incentive plan that, as IU’s football success and revenues increase, so will his compensation. If IU begins filling Memorial Stadium every game and going to bowl games regularly, the money will be there. The coaching staff’s compensation should grow with the success of the football program.

    Of course there are differences between IU and Arizona, but there are many pertinant similarities. One school, whose football progam was at the bottom of their conference went out and hired a young, aggressive, energetic coach from a winning program. That coach recruited talented players, hired top quality assistant coaches and turned a terrible football program into a nationally ranked team that regularly competes within its conference and goes to Bowl games. The other coach keeps saying, “I have a plan” and “we were only eight plays away from a winning season.” Give me a break!

    And what does a coach’s antics and passion on the sideline have to do with anything? Lee Corso was one of the most animated, “crazy” coaches in America, but no one ever said he was a bad guy or abusive to his players. Do you suggest IU should not hire a coach that is animated and energetic during the game? That’s absurd. Stoops goes crazy on the sidelines, but his players respect him, he runs a clean program, his graduation rate is way up, he puts players into the NFL and he wins. Animation on the sideline should not be on the list of hiring criteria when considering hiring a college football coach. It has nothing to do with integrity, sportsmanship and a committment to developing players into fine young men. It’s not even worth discussing.

    “Good things come to those who wait, but only the things left behind by those who hustle.” Lynch is a nice man and he’s had his chance, but unless he takes IU to a bowl this year, he should be terminated. The Hoosier nation deserves better.

  34. Podunk, first, let me state that I’m not “defending Bill Lynch.” What I am doing is saying the circumstances aren’t quite how you are painting them.

    Arizona doesn’t have a “dumpy stadium.” It isn’t top notch, but prior to the renovations at Memorial Stadium, IU couldn’t even meet as a team in the same room. MS prior to 2 years ago may have been THE WORST stadium in the country. Now MS is awesome.

    Bill Lynch’s hiring is circumstantially much different than many of the cases that you and other’s are citing. The coach that was chosen through a proper hiring process was Hep and, well, the worst thing ever happened. He died. Like NW situation after Randy Walker, NW plugged the gap with Pat Fitzgerald, another untested unknown. Well, he’s doing pretty well up there, but they got lucky. We had just fired our basketball coach and were in the process of firing another one, all-the-while breaking ground on major renovations in facilities for basketball and football. Money was not exactly something anyone was willing to shell out AT THAT TIME.

    Jury is completely out on Lynch, but the constant whining about how we aren’t sitting around “demanding” that our head coach beat OSU now or take a pink slip is not the way that we are going to fix things. Who said it would take “8 years” or “20 years” to redeem the program? I don’t think anyone is saying that at all. But those who understand the dynamics definitely aren’t ready to bounce the guy after year 2 when recruiting has recently turned for the better and we have offensive players who are on the NFL radar-screen. Again, I’m not betting on him, but we’ll get a clear picture at the end of this football season.

    BTW, Stoops was one game away from being fired before last year’s season. He was routinely on the “hot seat” fr the three-years that Arizona muddled around between achieving and underachieving. Last year he finally broke through. He broke through because all the recruiting work that you have to do doesn’t pay off until year 3 – 5 as a coach in football. Likewise, if you suck, you’ll put your program behind that many years as well.

    The “solution” isn’t as easy as you think. I’m all for bringing in a Chip Kelly or whoever if they were available and willing to come here, but this fire and forget stuff isn’t going to get us better either. Look how well that strategy has played out at Notre Dame.

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