Hoosier Morning

Illinois Indiana basketball

Recruits were impressed by coach Tom Crean’s energy during practice. Chris Howell | Herald-Times

AT HOOSIERSHQ.COM

  • With the injuries to James Brewer and Josh Hager, Marc Damisch will have to move to right tackle, Dustin writes.
  • Trevon Bluiett and his family were impressed by Hoosier Hysteria and the practice beforehand, I wrote.

IT’S INDIANA

HOW DOES THE ZOOKSTER KEEP HIS JOB? (or news on Illinois)

BIG TEN FOOTBALL

BIG TEN BASKETBALL

TAKE A LOOK

Warren Zevon’s “Keep Me In Your Heart.”

19 comments

  1. I might get picked on for writing this because I sound like I might care way too much but…I was clearing out the DVR and wanted to watch the last 2 games again. I noticed that Chap eyed his WR he was targeting every time last week and wanted to watch the last 2 games to confirm it. What I noticed was that the other teams safeties are watching him and playing pass 100% of the time, almost 100% anyway. I have been so focused on the Bad D and run game that I failed to notice. Chap has been the lone bright spot with the passing game but I wonder if this will hurt IU in the long run? Could he look right and throw left or look left and throw right or really pump fake a ball??? Not picking on him, he has been just awesome but I wonder if this will hurt our passing game in the final Big 10 games.

    With all of that said, I travel to Illinois for the game this weekend. I am taking my wife and kids and am very excited. Our trip to NW last year was great but to get beaten after we had the game won was awful. I hope IU does play well and hope they can get a win. I would hate to come back 0 and 2 on my away games!

  2. here come the men in black…galaxy defenders…uh uh, uh uh

    I just ran off 10 copies of Vic’s dunk picture that you scoop guys took to pass to my co-workers. Wow, he can sky! I can hear it now as he is intorduced on the mic…VICTOR OLA-DEEEEEEEE-POOOOOOOOOO!!! This kid is my new favorite player and no, it is not because Joani Crean’s face is just below his crotch…it is because he is going to be really good and surprise many people!!!

  3. A lot of people are saying IU can’t afford to pay big money to a top football coach and staff.

    All the reports out of Minnesota is the Gophers are looking to spend anywhere from $1.5mm up to $3.0mm for a new coach!

    If Lynch isn’t retained, there is no reason that IU doesn’t step up to the plate and hire the best head coach and coordinator they can get to come here, not the best they can get to come here for $600k!

  4. I so agree about paying a coach. I took a calculator and broke it down on here a year ago. If they had started after Mallory and paid a GOOD coach well and won and filled the stands…they would have made money on the deal. I don’t have time to look it up or break it down again but at a 30,000 avg attendance for 15 years…there are over 20,000 seats a game empty at 35-40 bucks a ticket and that adds up! I hope Glass is watching what Minny is doing!!!

  5. Mike P; all we ever hear about is how IU’s Athletic Department has no money. Glass, in an article published in Inside Indiana earlier this year, justified switching this year’s Penn State game to a road game because IU will get $3 million. Glass said the $3 million is a lot more than IU would have made had they played the game at Memorial Stadium. It has been said that because attendance at Mem Stadium has been so low, IU can’t afford to pay top dollar for FB coaches. The implication is that Lynch is still the coach because he’s inexpensive. I think Lynch is the lowest paid coach in the Big Ten.

    So this is one of those “chicken-or-the-egg” questions. You need a good coach to create wins and fill Memorial Stadium. But you can’t hire the coach you need because football does not produce enough revenue.

    I was so frustrated with Lynch after last year’s loss to Purdue, I wrote a letter to Glass and suggested Lynch be terminated and suggested that IU reach out to alumni requesting donations necessary to pay Lynch’s severance and hire a better coach. This is done all the time at Division I college football programs. A small percentage of IU’s alumni, passionate about IU football, could easily donate the money necessary to facilitate that transition. (The response I got welcomed any additional donation I was willing to make but reinforced the Athletic Department’s confidence in Lynch. How thoughtful!)

    So the question becomes, how does IU break the cycle? To my thinking, now that you have great facilities, you get a coach that inspires confidence and creates excitement. You offer the coach a competitive salary, but load up on incentives. Not just wins and losses, but the other criteria important to Hoosier fans, like graduation rates, etc.

    Within two or three years (see Washington, Arizona, Rutgers, etc), the right coach could turn IU into a highly competitive team and significantly increase attendance at Memorial Stadium. No more money problems if you average 52,000 people per game.

    At the risk of stimulating the “Crean haters”, I did find it odd that IU was willing to pay Crean so much more money than they were willing to pay a football coach. Not saying Crean is not worth it or that it was not necessary to get the type of coach IU needed, but it seems really out of balance given the disparity between potential for football revenue and potential for basketball revenue. Obviously, Crean’s compensation was seen as a long term investment. But to me, it looks like IU is “robbing Peter to pay Paul.”

  6. podunker, if you break it down on 15 years at just 20,000 seats being empty each year at 35 bucks a ticket, it ends up being a loss of 700,000 a year for fifteen years and you can do the rest of the math. That is on the low side of it. I would say with NO bowls being a loss of revenue too that it would be much more. That is crazy! A good coach will pay for himself in the end!

  7. Podunker- A well thought-out post. Personally, I have a hunch that the money excuse is just a pretext.

    Few real-world businesses would expect product quality to come before the initial start-up investment. You pay the engineer first, invest in facilities, and then you wait for the sales to come, once you’ve inspired confidence in your consumer base, or at least generated some hype.

    We are a Big 10 school of over 40,000 people. We have the money, trust me. If smaller OSU could hire Dennis Erickson, if Arizona could hire Stoops, if Pitt could hire Wannstead, hell, if Illinois could hire Zook – then there is no way that IU, which some years ranks near the top of all public institutions in donations, can’t afford to hire a name that rings a bell.

  8. J Pat; I conservatively estimate that IU lost (failed to capture) $400,000 on Saturday by failing to fill the stadium for Homecoming. And that does not include concessions, parking, apparel sales, etc. For each regular home game, let’s say IU forfeits $300,000. IU can attract some really good college FB coaches for a lot less than $1,8 million/year.

    Husky; I thought the same thing, but everyone tells me IU and PU get less funding from Indiana than the other Big Ten schools get from their respective states. That puts pressure on the Athletic Dept to fund the sports teams because they’re can’t get money from other departments. But then you hear how many alumni there are from IUB and how IU’s endowment is huge, so it’s confusing.

    Years ago I read that alumni donations fell through the floor after IU fired Knight. The article explained there were so many alums angry about Knight’s termination, they just stopped donating. I stopped until Myles Brand resigned.

    But you’d think that a school that could pay the BB coach what Crean gets could afford to increase the FB compensation budget. I want to believe that money is the issue. Because otherwise, I’m concerned that IU’s current administration is not qualified to run a D-I Athletic program.

  9. 4guards; According to Glass, football is IU’s top priority!(Inside Indiana interview) Specifically, increasing football revenue is IU’s top priority. According to Glass, unless IU increases revenues from football, some IU sports may need to be eliminated. So if you love IU, you better hope it starts to matter, or IU will become the redheaded stepchild of Big Ten ahtletics. Besides, I’m not sure IU can count on filling Assembly Hall for most games over the next few years. Fans have been great in their support of the BB team the last two years, but how much longer will they continue to show up if IU is not competing for Big Ten Championships or winning 20+ games per year?

    Football has to matter, or the future of IU athletics will be dim. That’s the epoint.

  10. Podunker, I think you are being conservative at 300,000. Until after Heps first year…attendance was awful and there were no “special” ticket prices. I had a couple hundred tickets donated 3 years ago to some kids so they could attend their first IU football game. I wondered why IU was so quick to donate. My wife did the math and at 15 bucks to park, concessions, and T-shirt shopping….IU was way ahead on the deal as it was a crappy non-conf game. I was blown away by how much that added up to. I would say your estimate of 400,000 for last weekend was right on though.

    I want the pom/dance squad back for halftime of the bball games so yes…football needs to produce!

    I will post this on the Hoosier Morning post today as well but does anyone know a great restaurant to grab a bite in Champaign? Also, any attractions that my young kids would love? Thanks!!!

  11. J Pat; yes I was purposefully being conservative on the estimate of “lost” revenue for the average home game at IU. Don’t want to be accused of embellishing the numbers.

    And those numbers don’t reflect the lost revenue associated with what I believe are IU’s subdued ticket prices. A recent college FB experience at another University convinced me that at colleges where football is popular, the average ticket price is much higher than the average price IU charges for a ticket to Mem Stad. So I’m guessing that if the popularity (demand) for IU FB tickets increased over time, the price for tickets would increase as well, generating even more revenue. A one dollar price increase per ticket represents a huge increase in annual revenue, especially if the stadium is full or near full. With a consistantly competitive team, IU could increase FB revenue by $4 million per year, easy.

    Does anyone know what the prices for football tickets are at Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, compared to IU? You have to believe they are much higher than what IU charges!

    Yea, I believe the right coach, with the right compensation package could pay big dividends in a matter of two or three years. Then over time, you start to see the FB revenue having an impact on other IU sports programs, which would be a very good thing. It’s not rocket science and it has been done. Just don’t see why IU can do it too.

  12. podunker, I looked for the away game ticket ap but must have tossed it. I called the Illinois ticket office and they wanted 50 per ticket. I got 6 together on stubhub for 21 per ticket. If I remember right, the OSU and Wisky tickets were really high this year. To answer your question, IU is the cheapest along with NW I think. The thing that slays me is that when I call as an outside guy…they will not sell me a youth ticket at NW or Illinois.

  13. So we’re not filling the stadium even though we’re the cheapest tickets in the Big Ten. That’s a big hit to the Athletic Department’s revenue.

Comments are closed.