IU adds tight end/defensive end Adam Kranda

Rivals.com is reporting that New Castle tight end/defensive end Adam Kranda has committed to Indiana, becoming the Hoosiers 10th commitment for the Class of 2012. The 6-foot-6, 240-pounder is a three-star recruit according to Rivals.com and had scholarship offers from Akron, Ball State, Bowling Green, Central Michigan, Northern Illinois and Toledo. He also had interest from Cincinnati, Notre Dame and Purdue.

More on this later.

UPDATE: 3:17 p.m.: New Castle coach Kyle Hall said Kranda could play on either side of the ball depending on what the Hoosiers want to do with him, and that to date, he’s been recruited as both a defensive end/outside linebacker and a tight end.

“The most exciting thing is  he’s got a big upside,” Hall said. “He’s pushing 6-6, 235, 240 pounds and very athletic. He could possibly play tight end because he has really good hands and a couple of schools were really looking at him as a tight end. If they decide to keep him lean, he can do that. But he also has the frame to add 40 or 50 pounds and be a really explosive defensive end. The versatility he brings to the table is more important than anything. Plus, he carries a 3.5 grade point average. So he has some athleticism and some character. He’s an explosive kid. It’s going to be exciting to see what his development is.”

Hall said New Castle used him in as many ways as possible on a team that finished 1-9. He sometimes lined up as a tight end, sometimes as a split out wide receiver, and sometimes as a fullback in heavy formations. On defense in New Castle’s 3-4, he lined up as an inside linebacker, a rush outside linebacker, and a hand-in-the-ground defensive end.

Kranda finsihed with 19 receptions for 269 yards and three touchdowns according to the Varvee Indiana football statistics website and rushed 22 times for 85 yards. He recorded 86 tackles and one sack.



  1. Can’t complain about the size of the players Wilson is recruiting! Here’ another commitment from a 6’6″ Junior in High School. And we can’t complain about the academic qualifications of Wilson’s recent recruits. Here’s another young man with a solid GPA. The last two players reported to have committed to IU are 6’6″ and have GPA’s of 3.5 and 3.7, respectively.

    Looks like Wilson’s building some momentum.

  2. To get a D1 offer on a 1-9 team is impressive.
    I like the fact that they pick the kids that are below the radar and have upside. This kid must be special.

    Lets hope he has a great senior year, in the class room and the field. Welcome to the Hoosier nation Adam!

  3. Off topic here, but it looks like we are getting a Potbelly’s Sandwich shop on Kirkwood where Dunkin Donuts used to be.

    Are you kidding? ANOTHER corporate sandwich shop in town? To recap, we now have Penn Station, Dagwoods, Which Wich, Jimmy John’s and Potbellys all within a one-block radius. Walk a few more blocks down Kirkwood and we have a local sandwich place – Bloomington Sandwich Co. – and then a Subway one block up Walnut. How many ways are there to do a frickin’ sandwich? What’s next – a Quizno’s?

    I love the food scene here in Bloomington, but I have never seen such a one dimensional concentration on sandwiches in the “cheap eats” category. Can’t we get a good Pho place, or some more teriyaki joints instead?

    Food fans help me out here. Am I alone in my frustration?

  4. Can you get a sandwich or a burger at Malibu Grill? How about Trojan Horse for a fabulous gyros or the best fried pork tenderloin sandwich you’ll ever bite into? My mouth is watering just thinking of the crispy golden patty..It’s pounded thin and extends generously beyond the edges a wonderfully fresh bun. I like to order it “dry”(this simply means no buttery spread on the bun) and I dress it with plenty of ketchup and pickles..So simple, but yet so delicious..It’s the quality the product that speaks for itself..Trojan Horse always delivers this favorite of mine with consistency. And don’t forget the jalapeno poppers are back!…Yum…Plus, homemade hand-cut fries…frosty mug filled with an ice cold beer. How can you go wrong? Damn, I wish I was sitting in a Trojan Horse wooden booth right this moment anticipating the sandwich I crave like no other.. Cute and friendly waitresses too. I miss Bloomington. Soon these unique places will all vanish. Along with dusty banners will be dusty memories a favorite hangout gone with the winds of time.

    Does anyone remember the restaurant named “Tbe Huddle”?..It used to be located at the same corner Red Lobster now occupies(Hwy 46 and 3rd?). The Huddle was a burger joint…popular place to go after football games back in the 70s.

  5. Support Dagwoods…great sub, get the supreme with extra special sauce. It is heaven on a bun and is NOT a chain, started right here in B Town!!!

  6. JPat-

    Where is Dagwoods located?..10th Street? I’ll give it a try next time I come to Bloomington. Sounds like a great sandwich to nab before a football game.

  7. is it just me, or are all the people who were ripping lynch for getting commits from kids without big school offers now praising wilson for getting the same kids and calling them under the radar????? I hope he truly is getting better kids but only time will tell

  8. That’s funny Larry, I was thinking the same thing about your Lynch comments. Kiel would be a major early coup for Wilson, and from what I’m hearing it’s down to Missouri and IU. Of course that’s all just rumors and speculation.

  9. It doesn’t matter where the recruits had offers from, it is ow they are coached and developed after we get them. That is where Lynch broke down and Wilson will be a huge improvement.

  10. JPat- Dagwood’s is good. But they aren’t doing any business whatsoever on their new Indiana Ave. location. I think it’s because there are too many sandwich places already.

    Dagwood’s is also creeping into franchise/chain territory, opening up stores in Valpo and Indy. Places can lose their “local” appeal and product quality if their owners start dreaming of becoming food industry moguls and CEO’s. Look what happened to Scholar’s Inn. Few in Bloomington want their bakery or hole in the wall diner to become a corporate chain restaurant.

  11. Chicago Hoosier,

    Correct about players on a 1-9 FB team do not get many lookers. I suspicion his size along with being a multi-sport participant drew the attention. Still this staff is doing a good job of scouting and identifying these type of athletic recruits. Kevin Johns and Brett Diersen tag teamed his recruitment.

  12. Kranda is a good kid and is still developing. Suffered from some very poor coaching early in HS career, but new coach (Hall) is a big improvement, despite his lackluster first season. If Kranda continues to develop as he has over the past couple of years, he could be a diamond in the rough. Also a heck of a baseball player.

  13. Hogwash, how is Dagwood’s location at 116 and a half Indiana Ave a new location? It’s been there since at least 1993, when I first went there. Maybe it’s moved within that block, as some things have changed on that block, but it’s been on Indiana near Kirkwood since I can remember. Perhaps they have a new location somewhere else on Indiana. I know I go to 116.5 Indiana almost every time I’m in Bloomington.

    As to the growing corporate nature of Bloomington, I’ve noticed that too. When I first strolled through the Sample Gates in the early ’90s, the town had a distinctly more local feel. But, corporate creep is inevitable and happens everywhere; and we still have local favorites like Uptown Cafe, Opie Taylor’s, Irish Lion and the wonderful ethnic restaurants clustered on 4th St. I also hear that Macri’s Deli is coming back. Can’t complain about any of those and many more.

  14. Lynch was close to having some winning seasons. The reasons we did not came down to; (a) strength and conditioning which resulted in more injuries and low 4th quarter gas tanks and (b) game day coaching as in not having the right plays and schemes at the right times. Certainly, the overall talent level at IU is not on par with the league but that has always been true. Coach Wilson’s emphasis on conditioning will probably keep us in some games in Q4…hopefully game day coaching will get us some wins.

  15. Ive seen this kid play a lot and he has tremendous potential. He was about the only bright spot on New Castles squad.

  16. Wilson will improve recruiting (it takes some time and a lot of money)and he will improve the players’ development(conditioning and aptitude) through an improved coaching staff. Already the off-season conditioning seems to be having a significant impact and from the early 2012 committments, IU is at least getting bigger players. Too early to draw any conclusions, but it looks like Wilson moving in the right direction.

  17. Hogwash, but you are wrong. The Indiana Ave location is the original location but has been renovated, the 10th street was the 2nd open store and has since closed. John does a great job, sandwich is almost the same price it was when I was in school at IU almost 11 years ago. Sandwich is the same size as well unlike any other place since the economy went down. If you like meat and cheese, you get a ton at Dagwoods. The store is packed when the students are in town, packed! Tender, give it a shot on Indiana just before the Gables now Buff a louies overpriced and fried too long wings! You guys got me off of IU sports on this one, haha!

  18. Stepping back a bit and thinking about why Coach Lynch failed and what we can learn from it (in the case of football, basketball and in running a successful athtetic program).

    Conditioning and teaching a ‘will to win’ was key, by his teams, coaches and by Lynch himself. The ‘resolve’ didn’t seem to be there.

    Key was Lynch’s inability to hone in on weaknesses, and his unwillingness to make hard but critical choices.

    No one can dispute Coach Lynch solid vision of offensive football. It did not seem as if we had major problems scoring enough points to win.

    The problem was a rarely discussed leadership issue. Lynch knew his defensive strategists and coaches were seriously deficient; yet, probably out of a misplaced “loyalty”, he avoided acting and staffing to Big Ten standards. His paralysis to act led to the disaster of the last two years…tragic!

    Lynch had to know this outcome and loyalty to subordinates must be justified but never confused with ‘loyalty’ to the program. In this case, the misplaced ‘loyalty’ had some undesired results, it cost some [offensive] assistants their jobs as well.

    Lynch’s weakness in his reasoning was evident and the outcome, a critical “lesson learned”.

  19. Tsao, your comments ring very true. I can remember discussing that LOYALTY you speak of many times over with Mike P and others for the last 2/3 years. I don’t think he cared enough about the actual job, head coach of IU football…in the end he chose to be loyal. His blinders were on! As a coach you have a duty to the fans and University and that is to put your program in the best situation to succeed. I agree it was misplaced.

  20. Tsao; good post. I agree with your assessment about Lynch. But I would add that Lynch just never had the pedigree necessary to turn IU into a winning Big Ten team. It’s not his fault that his boss died tragically and that he was thrust into the job. It was not his fault that he did not have the background/experience necessary to be effective at that level. Frankly, as you suggest, I think Lynch was too nice a guy for what the job requires.

    As for recruiting, it seemed as if Lynch never believed he could compete with other Big Ten or BCS schools in signing BCS level talent and therefore relegated his efforts to MAC level talent. We’re all, to a certain degree, a product of our environment, and Lynch spent most of his career coaching at less competitive and lower level schools.

    A friend and former employee of mine spent years in the military, most of which was spent as a Green Beret. He was a successful and highly decorated member of that elete unit with combat experience. My friend told me a story about his effort to become a member of an even more elite and secretive branch of the U.S. Special Forces (one of those units that no one admits exists). He tried out, did well on all the physical and mental tests, but was cut at the very end of the process. He waited a year, prepared extremely hard and tried again. And again, in spite of doing very well on all the physical and mental test, he was cut at the very end of the long and arduous selection process. A member of that secretive special forces unit that he was trying to join took him aside and told him, “You’re a great soldier, a member of one of the most elite special forces units in the world. But this unit represents an entirely different level and it requires an entirely different level of committment.” Confused and frustrated, my friend asked the man what skill or ability he was lacking. The man responded, “You’ve been in combat and you’ve killed in combat, but you are not a killer. This unit is made up of killers. It’s an entirely different level.”

    My friend retired from the military as a member of the Green Beret.

  21. Po, I really enjoyed your story about your friend. I have to say though that I would argue that Lynch was not thrust into the IU job…he was offered and took the job. If he did not feel it was best for him, he could have declined and stayed as a coach under a new head coach. I feel the same about Dan Dakich and his situation at IU. The players did not know him that well and did not respect him. Dak knew he was not the players choice in taking over for Sampson and still agreed to take the job. Ray Mac although I am not a fan would have won 2 or 3 games with that group and you can bank that! Lynch was Heps choice, maybe he felt like he owed it to Hep to honor his wishes. I was not in that group of people that came on here and trashed Lynch about his past coaching records but I knew deep down in my gut he was never the man for the job. I sat next to a former player 2 years ago at a game and he talked about the differences in Lynch and Hep and it was truly fascinating. I never embraced Lynch and it truly bothers me that I never did…I just knew he was not cut out for it all along.

  22. JPat, Podunker…the units you are talking about are the product of a coach where each individual is evaluated on the basis of an environment that can not even consider the smallest possibility of failures. Individuals are rejected because the slightest possibility of not accomplishing the group’s mission means people die.

    I will never understand Coach Lynch’s choice, his failure to act. KNOWING the failure to address the cluster **** on the defensive side (he had to have seen and analyzed it), the pathetic failures- one after another- and KNOWING …he continued to stand on a suicidal definition of loyalty while watching his defenders stumble, bumble and trip over each other). What was going through his head??

    As you have both pointed out, that is all the evidence needed he was far, far short of the call to lead. It was irresponsible to (other) assistants and their families, disrespectful to his players, and insulting to Hoosier fans.

    I hope President McRobbie, AD Glass and the Trustees read these blogs. I trust and respect Coach Wilson’s work this far (though the truth is always on the turf). Our attitude, even as fans has to be one of no margin for failure.

    Make no mistake…the administrators need to know (as they go through all the hype and promotion, and we get closer to August). We Hoosier fans are done accepting a circus.

  23. Sorry…where the first word “coach” is used should have been replaced with “…product of a leadership”…

  24. Podunker, great story. As I may have mentioned before, my older sister was the first female attached to a SEAL Team. Of course, she was not a SEAL, she was their naval supply officer and she recently retired as an O-6. I was a naval aviator at the time and I had a great opportunity to shares a few beers with her team. As you indicated, they are a different breed. I don’t want my kids to be SEALs but we are lucky that these men serve us. The analogy was reasonable, but on steroids.

  25. TTG, I agree with your assessment of our role as Hoosier fans. The Cubs are perennial lightweights in large part because they CAN be. Wrigley Field is packed daily, win or lose. If the Yankees (I hate the Yankees. Sorry, I have to say that whenever I mention the Yankees.)drop below .500 people quit going to the games. If the powers that be know they will be out the door with a loser they will move heaven and earth to win. Desperation is a great motivator. Coach Lynch is the perfect example of a guy that was fine with the status quo. He is surely in the record books for having the most ‘moral victories’ in IU history. I think we were just 27 plays away from a BCS bowl last year.

  26. Chet,

    BL’s Waterloo was his loyalty to the assistant coaches(which if kept might have been a Waterloo event for Hep since they were his also). Loyalty is a revered character trait as long as it does not replace success.

  27. I know Adam and he is an extremely hard worker. He will put everything into making himself and the team better.

  28. HC, I don’t doubt that what you say is true. It’s just that every time I heard BL speak he seemed very complacent with the state of the team and satisfied with moral victories. I may be way off base but that’s the impression I got.

  29. You all speak about Coach Lynch’s loyalty as an assumption of the reasons why few changes were made with his defensive staff. The fact is that until recently the purse strings were not loosened enough to be able to hire an appropriate assistant staff. No quality defensive coach would come to Indiana knowing they were not committed to the head coach and knowing they were not going to get paid on par with other quality universities. Coach Lynch played with the hand he was dealt. Full disclosure,he could have done a better job at requiring the defensive coaches to teach the fundamentals of tackleing, discipline and positioning which was obviously a shortcoming of the defensive team, his loyalty should not be held out as the reason the team did not succeed.

  30. No, you are correct, that nice guy image always was displayed prominently. That is his personality. He did achieve a career winning record, with of course most of his wins being in lower echelon division conferences. Appears to be day and night differences between Wilson and Lynch. Those differences lead me to be more than optimistic. We are long overdue.

  31. I am sorry but loyalty was a very large part and had a lot to do with his lack of grit to fight for the resources needed.

  32. BL’s loyalty to his assistants may have been a contributing factor, but I believe that at his core, Lynch simply did not have the pedigree/experience/conditioning necessary to be a successful coach in the Big Ten or any other BCS school. In my previous post, I used the word “thrust” to describe how he came to be IU’s head coach. Given the timing of Hep’s death, I think that is an accurate description. Had Hep not died, gone on to be successful at IU, Lynch may have retired as IU’s Offensive Coordinator. He probably took the assistant’s job thinking/hoping it would be his last job in coaching. Given the circumstances, what man would not have accepted IU’s offer and the significant salary increase to become the head coach? I don’t blame Lynch for taking the job, I blame IU’s administrators for offering it to him.

  33. I blame the IU administrators for looking for a bargain. They paid lynch less than 7 coordinators in the big ten and never gave hime the tools to compete. In fact they never even gave him a head coaches contract, they just increased the pay on his assistant contract, so when he was fired his salary stopped. He was not paid the remaining year on his contract. There was no parachute for him like there would have been for every other head coach in D1. He is a great man that was not given the opportunity to be successful.

  34. I have no doubt BL was a decent man, on an emotional, social and human level. It was obvious he had integrity, even creative vision and openness to learn about offensive systems (I found his sojourns to Nevada and other coaching staffs a positive in his professional formation). That said, his personal loyalty to assistants who simply were not good enough to do their job and meet their obligation; while more concerned with whether they shared the co-defensive coordinator title than giving value and leadership to Indiana says all I ever want to know about these gentlemen. It also speaks poorly of Lynch’s professional responsibility and will.

    Larry, I don’t buy the “budget” excuse for one second. When Lynch realized his assistants could not do the job (and would eventually end up causing the firing of the entire staff), he could have easily used the budget money he did have to hire talented high school coaches for all I care. It would have been better than to stand there, chewing his gum waiting for the play that would beat us.

    There is no doubt in my mind, Lynch failed in his responsibility. Chet speaks correctly and with purpose of his sister, her sacrifice and her career. I also have a son, an O-6 in the military, (also Airborne, Special Forces) and a battalion commander in Baghdad, Sadr City, Kandahar, the Arghandab River Valley (with two Bronze Stars). Their soldiers ask one thing of their leaders: “Boss, just take us home”. Chet is right. The story by Podunker as to the duty to avoid the slightest failure is also telling of the demands that face those chosen to lead.

    Overall, Mr. Lynch had a fairly easy calling in life compared to these great young men and women. They do not ask for much, only respect. Commitment is something they take seriously and the expectation of each individual meeting their obligation is always in their eyes.

    If nothing else, we can expect those we hire to play games for a profession to carry the same sense of obligation and responsibility. Lynch simply failed his calling to leadership.

    And we can make sure that in our own activities we create a culture that understands this, even in our games.

  35. Chet, I think you are also raising a critical issue. I too am a huge Cub fan and, for years, accepted that being ‘not good enough’ was enough. That’s why Wrigley Field is seen as a ‘grassy lounge’ than the home of professional baseball.

    But you, Podunker, Hoosier Clarion and Larry also raise another point. We simply can no longer allow the ‘administration’ of our athletics program to continue to soak in its own incompetence. If the money was not there to pay assistants, the question is why? Who was trying to run a budget on the cheap? Did they understand the consequences?

    I’m not surprised…the previous AD, Greenspan shoved Bill Mallory to hire his ‘buddy’ from LSU. Greenspan already had a reputation as a bean counter who cared little about the programs and ended up shaming many of West Point’s legendary programs. During his watch, the source of pride that was Hoosier basketball became an embarrassment we’ve not managed to shake…

    The point is that I certainly believe and agree; indeed, hope we all join voices to let Dr. McRobbie, AD Glass, the Faculty Rep, the Varsity Club…Hoosiers are not complacent Cub fans looking for a Billy Goat in the grass and an opponents HR ball to throw back.

    We too demand the focused, unyielding, mistake free leadership of Podunker’s Green Beret friend, JPat’s passion, the will to ‘get it done’ of Chet’s sister and my son’s sense that losing is not an option. That is how ‘we’ define McRobbie’s, Glass’, etal leadership roles.

  36. Let’s not forget Greenspan was hired because he has the ability to make red ink on a P&L statement become black and he did it. He also was instrumental in raising funds for closing up the NEZ. But he is not the one who shoved Mallory out.

  37. Larry; I’m sorry. I appreciate your respect and admiration for BL, but while BL may have been a “great man,” he was not a great FB coach. He was not a great recruiter, he did not establish a great conditioning program, he was not a great strategist, and he was not great at inspiring the Hoosier Nation. There may have been other factors that contributed to his losing record, but the bottom line was that he was in charge of the team. It was his responsibility to win. You get the job done or you get replaced. IU FB did not need a “great man,” it needed a great coach, or even just a good coach. Many people do not believe Bob Knight was a great man, but few dispute that he was a great coach.

  38. Tsao; I inferred from your last post that you believe Cubs fans (and I’m one of them)get the team they deserve. Because they have long since accepted the Cubs losing, they continue to get it. Put the Cubs in Philadelphia and the players would be afraid to take the field! The city of brotherly love just would not tolerate that ineptitude. As Hoosiers, we should never accept a losing football team. I have argued for many years that there are too many people that love IU but accept IU losing in FB. Many Hoosier fans could always derive satisfaction from IU’s success in BB, soccer, swimming, etc. Their thinking was, “hey, you win an NCAA BB Championship, who cares about football.” But that’s not necessarily the case these days. If more of the Hoosier Nation refuse to tolerate a losing FB program, IU will become competitive in FB. We simply need to apply the passion we have for BB to IU football and we’ll be amazed at the improvement. There is absolutely no reason IU can’t be good at both sports.

    I’ll continue to believe in and support coach Wilson and his team until I’m convinced that Wilson can’t get it done (hopefully, that day will never come). Then I’ll stop writing checks, start writing letters to Glass/McRobbie and start demanding IU find a better coach. I will never accept that a great University like IU can’t field a competitive football team.

  39. Podunker, one he** of a statement! A call to Hoosier fans to take charge that leaves no arguments! I totally we, as fans, need to stress to Dr. McRobbie, Glass, the various coaches that we support them; but… it is not unconditional.

    And, yes…I am a rabid Cub fan. But, Lord I admire Philly fans! The very thought of facing them after an ’empty’ loss makes the players ‘puke in fear’. I’ve heard Philly fans booh Santa Claus.

    Glad we’re on the same ‘unit’.

  40. Hoosier Clarion, I did some research and do correct my placing the blame for the firing of a very good, in fact inspiring Coach Mallory, on him. Actually, it was a previous AD (something named Neely) who was responsible, as you state.

    Greenspan balanced the books, was probably good on the ‘facilities’ brick and mortar issues but was the cause of his own disaster by not being more demanding on staffing, budget and a total failure (in my opinion) on strategic vision and coach selection issue, as Sampson’s hiring will attest. My view of his administration at IU and at West Point is that he was a capable bean counter and not much else. Sort of the Donald Rumsfeld of intercollegiate athletics.

  41. What a blatantly asinine generalization to claim all Cubs fans accept losing. The Bears haven’t won a Super Bowl since 1985(nearing 30 years)..The Hawks hadn’t won a Stanley Cup for 40 years(since the days of Stan Makita?)..The Bulls haven’t been sh** since the lucky ass day they got MJ in the draft. Chicago fans are the best damn fans in the world…You bozos have watched too many Rocky movies. Why don’t you go piss on Ron Santo’s grave while you’re at it? Buried with no legs because of a lifelong battle with diabetes, he’d still find a way to crawl out his grave and kick your faces in to hear such words spoken about the people of Chicago.

    And IU football fans don’t accept losing either. Even the best coaches in the world can’t dictate where a kid wants to play; unless we’re talking about paying off players-the types of enticements a little more powerful than a few extra minutes on the phone with a recruit. We’ve seen plenty in the headlines how money can corrupt desperate young athletes and the many programs that will desert any inkling of dignity to get the recruits they want. Do you think OSU’s name has been tainted by what Tressel turned a blind eye? I don’t. People quickly forget. At the end of the day, the only measure of why you choose to do things in certain way is only contingent upon the power of dignity in the eyes looking back from the mirror before you.

    Wilson has no less a daunting task than Lynch. Wilson may carry the more recognizable name coming from a historically strong football school, but if a handful of expert journalists on a blog think that’s all it will take for a wave of top players to swoop down from the sky on a magical Astroturf carpet and risk it all for a chance in turning IU into a winner on the gridiron, I believe you’ve you watched too many Disney cartoons where genies come out of bottles.

    And let’s get another thing straight, the majority of IU fans are damn good wholesome people. The only losers in Bloomington that accept losing are the small percentage of dimwits that have too much power to go along with their castles of bigotry they live in. The only losers this town are those that displace disappointment in a team’s win/loss record and turn it into hate. When you give up on a kid you begged to wear your uniform and then decide the same young man/woman that has gone astray is not worth an ounce of effort into helping find a better course…toss onto a bus kids that have nothing to go home to and paint them all with the same brush… to clean your house with scrub buckets of slander and prejudice because it’s faster than trying to be true guiding light and help rebuild a young person’s life that has fallen down by way of some bad choices…to cast that wounded soldier out on the street and label them as dirt when it is your own failure in fortitude and lack of confidence in humanity to see that a better day can still be in their future…those are the true losers in Bloomington. Are they IU fans? I don’t think so. Winning is overrated. Being true to your heart and doing what is right, not compromising your values, or treating young athletes like slaves by buying their way into your school’s uniform, will keep something far more important at IU…something that will outlast any banner droughts or absence a few trips to a football bowl game.

    I challenge any of you supposed Cubs fans to go to Ron Santo’s grave site and reiterate those same blasphemous words about the fans he loved like no other from the city he loved like no other. Go tell his decaying body that he’s no longer wildly cheering from the WGN broadcast booth because he accepted losing.

  42. Spamdust. You certainly revere your Chicago teams. Obviously, many in Chicago share your sentiment. The thing is, you believe that continuing to come to games, buy jerseys, and the like, is being a good fan. How has that worked out? How about the fans of franchises that demand excellence? The Yankees, the Sooners, the Tide, the Patriots, the Lakers, the Gators, the Jayhawks, the Celtics, the Colts. Are they somehow less worthy fans because they demand excellence? Or, perhaps, they get better teams because they demand excellence. We’ve been struggling on the basketball court but, make no mistake, Hoosier fans expect results. If the next season or two don’t pan out the fires will be lit.
    Love your Cubbies but understand this, as long as those seats keep getting filled the owners probably don’t really care about the product on the field.

  43. I respectfully disagree with you, Chet. They should take away all the wins the Yankees for the use of steroids by two their of biggest producing superstars(Clemens and A-Rod). It’s not enough to be in the most “in vogue” and populous markets for your franchise…It’s not enough to throw buckets of money to get the cream of the talent crop year after year… it’s not enough to have business tycoons that sell away the names of their stadiums to fund their checkbook dominance with bottomless barrels of bucks to teach young people that winning is more important than anything else…On top of all those inherent advantages and fine values, you have to stick a needle in your ass to even give you more advantage? If Yankee fans demanded anything that borders on respect and excellence, they wouldn’t let liars and cheats dress in their storied pinstripes.

    Gone are the days of true heroes like Roberto Clemente. I love the Cubs, but I sadly understand they will be no different than any the rest and ‘sell out’ their values to grab the elusive pie in the sky that forever labels them as “losers”. You’ll soon see Wrigley with the name a corporate giant plastered on the sign at Clark and Addison. Maybe Merrill Lynch can write the check to Ricketts and the organization can change their name to the Chicago Bailouts(almost as wimpy sounding as ‘Cubs’). Or let’s sell it to Trump..He’s a winner..You’re fired, Durocher..You’re fired.

    Ron Santo was no loser. Ernie Banks was no loser. Barack Obama is no loser. Why pick on the Cubs? Has America been turned around its downward 50 years spiral? Is it because Barack does not demand excellence? Is it because politicians aren’t paid enough? Is that why we owe billions of dollars to China. Does 5% of the population own 95% the wealth in this country because we’ve demanded excellence..I digress. People would have defalcated on the name of Walter Payton, called him another Chicago loser, without one victory against the Patriots 36 years ago. The losers are the cheats, gangsters, and gamblers that want to run athletics like casinos. Nothing like a winner. Nothing like demanding excellence with a syringe. Professional sports needs one giant enema to get rid of the morally valueless crap that demands so much your smelly excellence.

  44. Oops..Forgive my mouth, but not my math.

    “People would have defalcated on the name of Walter Payton, called him another Chicago loser, without one victory against the Patriots 26 years ago”.

    You’re a good man, Chet. The rest on here are not worth much my effort. Their opinions are unyielding and they know it all by background a profession that involved spitting out words. And then you have the PhDs on here that know it all by way of knowing it all.

    You don’t need to go and stand on the ground still soft above Santo and tell him he’s a loser. Just fart in the direction of Chicago and be ‘windy’ at will.

  45. TTG,

    AD Clarence Doninger fired BM in 1996, Mike McNeely replaced Doninger in 2001. Firing Mallory was the start of the IU meltdown followed soon by the firing of RMK and the base of that barren landscape broadened with the hiring of McNeely. In any evaluation method used Greenspan cleaned up a hell of a mess left by the totally inept McNeely who had to resign and a totally ineffective Doninger(a lawyer)who never had an independent thought but took orders well and just wanted to hang on to retire.
    RG was 6 times the AD the aggregate of those 2 SOB’s were and AD Glass is 3 times the AD Greenspan is. I hope you get my slant.

  46. Spamdust, I should not have included the Yankees on that list. I, too, am disturbed by the idea of buying wins by spending the most money and I take a bit of perverse satisfaction when they fail.
    I don’t think it is merely about spending the most money. If that were the case the Knicks would be a perennial powerhouse. I do think that it takes a total commitment to do everything necessary to put your team in a position to win. I don’t have any statistics on this but I don’t think the Dallas Mavericks are at the top of NBA payrolls. I do know that Mark Cuban does everything he can to make the Mavericks one of, if not the, most desirable teams in the league to play for with plush locker rooms and amenities. I have heard him say that he actually saves money by doing such things at contract time. It takes looking at everything and seeing how you can be better.
    I certainly did not mean to snipe at Chicago sports fans. Chicago is a great sports town with some of the greatest names in their respective sports. The Cubs are a bit of an anomaly in sports and, perhaps, should be in a category all by themselves.
    I’ll close with this. If the IU athletic director had felt his career hung in the balance over the selection of the best possible football coach that could be hired in order for the Hoosiers to becomes consistent winners in the Big Ten, do you think he still would have chosen Bill Lynch?

  47. First, credit where credit is due and linking two points on a straight line…Hoosier Clarion, you are right again, Neeley appears to be a feeble attempt to fix structural damage from Doninger’s incompetence and the internal politics of his circles with paint. Clarence Doninger was indeed the individual who forced Mallory out and, I believe, began a chain of events that ends up with RMK’s firing. As I remember, Doninger made several attempts to move the rug out from under Knight…and thankfully, he was no more competent at that than in anything else he tried in life.

    Thank you HC for the correct facts and sequence…interesting how- when correct- they fit and spell out a story. Not a good one, but indeed the story of ‘inside (the Varsity Club) politics that I believe eventually ends up with the firing of Bill Mallory, Bob Knight (all they needed was a willing partner in Brand) and condemns the Hoosiers back into the quagmire we find still today.

    This is speculation on my part. I was not in the country at the time and did not follow the events Doninger-Mallory-Knight-Neeley-DiNardo-Greenspan-Sampson…and so on. But just read this list and tell me it doesn’t sound like the competence of the Karzai oligarchy in Afghanistan.

    I do remember some of the period, events and characters leading up to it. Doninger was an Indianapolis attorney (not a very good one- I’ll fill in as we go along) who was part of a group within the Indianapolis Varsity Club that really sought to control IU athletics, following the Bill Orwig period. While they knew ‘fat chance’ they would ever control Bob Knight, they did focus on the football program. Pretty basically, they were either too cheap or not smart enough to have the financial strength to buy themselves a pro-franchise;(they would play with adventures like the Indianapolis Warriors, dibble in small investments in the old ABA, etc…) And, through the Varsity Club they got to play out their “professional owner” fantasy. After an unstable period following Orwig’s stepping down (not sure I remember the exact nature of his demise), they put Clarence Doninger in the post. I remember thinking; why would they select an AD with NO athletic administration experience? ‘Why would an attorney (Doninger) leave a lucrative practice to become an AD? (Answer- his legal it wasn’t very lucrative or very powerful?- my guess.)

    But, it did define Indiana U. inside alumni politics then. Influence peddling was important to them and their businesses (banking, investment, insurance and, of course, the legal sector). And, controlling the football job-, especially as Bob Knight insulated his program from them,- was what in Chicago is known as ‘the clout’.

    This is my belief, HC…but your knowledge and willingness to share facts (and correct with grace) really helped put loose puzzle pieces into a medium-sized coherent picture.

    It also helps to explain the apparently absence of transparency or willingness to make decision in a less opaque way from the athletic department. The Joint Chiefs of Staff and the CIA are more open to sharing basic, every day information than the athletic department or the Board of Trustees. Giving supporters basic information and some participation is one clear way to give them a feeling of ownerships in the programs.

    Sadly, the pattern of bad personnel decision (firing Mallory, Knight); failing to properly fund the athletic department to hire the strongest quality staffs possible continued for nearly two decades. That’s why I’m hoping all of those on this blog will continue the pressure on the administration to fund and staff programs to the level deserved by a very loyal, very deserving Hoosier fan.

  48. Chet-

    It’s o.k. Though you weren’t responsible for the generalization, none of us are exempt from making blanket statements to fit our arguments. I have a lot of good memories attached to the Cubs. It’s not all bad. It’s not about burdensome thoughts of heartbreak seasons. It’s the experiences of the few times I went to the ballpark that I hold most dearly..taking my nephew and niece to their first games at Wrigley. Taking my mom to her only Cubs game her whole life. Going out on the field with my nephew on my shoulders and prancing out into the most gorgeous expanse of baseball green, standing out in center field with Jody Davis and Mel Hall signing autographs.

    I watched the Cubs almost everyday as a kid. I would come home from elementary school and immediately go to an isolated upstairs rec room by dad had built as an addition to a beautiful house the old neighborhood some of my fondest memories. It had a screened in porch…the summer breeze would blow in and I would set up camp to watch my idols the game. I was in my own world those days…Carefree days when I could turn on the black and white portable TV, stretch out on the floor, here the familiar joyful voice of Jack Brickhouse belt out a “HEY! HEY!” to a homer sent out to Waveland or Sheffield, and never care about yesterday’s disappointments or the pressures of tomorrow. Frozen in time..frozen in youth…frozen in happiness.

    I overreacted because of wanting to guard the memories more than anything else. Don’t feel bad for my stupid ways.

  49. Spamdust…no one will have anything but a warm smile for your memories…the Cubs own a little corner of whatever heart they live in. My son has been deployed five times since 2001 and when he comes home, his first outing with his (at that moment) new son is to go to the corner of Addison and Clark, pick up two bleacher seats and introduce his new son (2006, 2008, 2010… to Cub blue).
    And, when he calls home from some mountain or sand hole in the desert, one of his first questions has always been …’how the Cubs’?
    I just wished they had sold it to Mark Cuban.

  50. Five times…Wow. You must be very proud of him. So many take our freedoms for granted. We strive to keep our land a diverse melting pot where liberty flourishes. But how many are willing to defend that liberty? Attached to this weekend are remembrances the images of oil paintings and great soldiers our past crossing a Delaware on a cold winters’ morning. Your son is no less a hero in his sand hole.

    May he stay safe and have many Cubs games with his boy in his future.

  51. Thank you. They are in the mold of our greatest generation. I’ll pass along your kind thought and support. Go Cubs!

  52. Just to clarify my earlier statements about Coach Lynch; he deserved to be fired. Under no circumstances was he the man to lead iu to become a elite program. it takes resources to win in college football. you can’t create a gourmet dinner in McDonald’s kitchen and you can

  53. Just to clarify my earlier statements about Coach Lynch; he deserved to be fired. Under no circumstances was he the man to lead iu to become a elite program. it takes resources to win in college football. you can’t expect a gourmet dinner when the budget only allows you to shop at mcDonald’s. A fickle fan base that has never consistently filled memorial stadium has not given the athletic department the opportunity to throw dollars to hire head and assistant coaches. The lack of consistency in the head coach has helped push away top in-state talent which in return hurts overall recruiting. These kids are ingredients that cook the meal. Lynch is ultimately responsible for the meal that was cooked. The meal wasn’t good and he was fired. He cannot however be held 100% responsible for the ingredients he had to work with.

  54. Spamdust; how did you feel when the Cubs’ new owners passed over R. Sandburg for the Manager’s job? Just curious. I was bummed because I thought Sandburg was effective in the minors and brought a lot of credibility based on his Hall-of-Fame career.

  55. Podunker, Spamdust…(if I can stick my two cents worth here). I agreed with the decision to hire Mike Quade…he had a 20-year history working his way up. Sandburg was a great player and, as far as his managing history in his 3-4 years at the minor league level, was all good. But still,Quade had earned it with a lot of miles riding the buses.

    The problem (though Quade has made some really bonehead decisions this year- i.e. letting Wells pitch one inning too long last week- is not Quade or Sandburg or anyone else other than Jim Hendry. You look at the money Hendry has spent and the budget he has blown away through 2013 on wasted ‘names’ like Soriano, Bradley, Soto…it is enough to drive any fan nuts.

    I can wait until Greg Maddux has gotten the experience to be a GM. Then Ricketts, the new owner, has to be willing to let a ‘real pro’ run the baseball side.

  56. Yea, right now it looks like the Cubs’ new owners are getting taken for a ride. So much money being spent for such disappointing performances. Right now, I think the Cubs are the second or third worst team in major league baseball. How long before they make the manager the scapegoat?

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