Reports: Eric Gordon’s brother Eron has IU offer

According to Kyle Neddenriep of the Indianapolis Star, Jeff Rabjohns of Peegs.com and Sean Morrison of 247Sports.com, Indiana has made a scholarship offer to Eron Gordon, the eighth-grade younger brother of Eric Gordon. The younger Gordon, who apparently had a phenomenal weekend at IndyBall with the Eric Gordon All-Stars 15 and under team, will attend North Central as a freshman in the fall. He will not be eligible for college ball until 2016.

55 comments

  1. I hear Eric Gordon has a girlfriend, we should give her eggs a scholarship offer. I hear Bruce Weber already has…

  2. Well the least IU can do is offer anyone in the Gordon family a scholarship as a peace offering for the terrible ordeal Eric had to go through with Sampson.

  3. Eron Gordon is a tremendous talent. Not sure why the snarky comments but it has nothing to with anything but the fact that this kid is good now. He will be a hot commodity after this summer’s AAU and a year of varsity action in high school this coming winter.

  4. To stay on task and focused on goal at hand…expect a couple 30 win seasons + a 35+ win season and a national championship by 2016…not in any particular order.

  5. Honest and sincere question: Is it necessary to offer any 8-th grader a college scholarship? If you think it is necessary, please explain why? Is there value in being the first college to offer a scholarship?

    Second sincere question: Is there an age limit below which colleges are forbidden from offering a child a scholarship? If there is not, should there be?

  6. Great, great questions Podunker! Just as I was taking so much pride in the fact that We Are Indiana, and not UK, and are not driven by this very opaque and smelly world that is NCAA recruiting…I read the story that we are offering a scholarship to a 14-year old, 8th grader.

    And, it was hard to avoid remembering that his brother was a one-and-done, a fact that was fully declared as we recruited him. So…it pains me that whatever moral high ground we claim in this recruiting game becomes pretty contradictory as we go after a child.

    Someone will certainly argue that we are doing what everyone else is doing, and I simply would be forced to admit they are right. But you put your finger on it when you call out the NCAA for permitting, even encouraging this version of human trafficking.

    Maybe the NCAA could establish a minimum ‘age of approach and consent'(say, the 17th birthday) thus encouraging a world in which children are just allowed to be children.

    Great you brought this up Podunker. Wisdom is as wisdom does.

  7. Great comments from both Podunker and Tsao!

    But what do you do if you’re competing on these things with others who do much worse with (presumably, hopefully?) less moral compass.

    And does the college that is first in really gain some sort of a “first mover’s advantage?”

    I would argue that they do. I would bet that most kids are going to think “They really like me and they have since x. They were my first offer!”

    And they probably get used to the idea of going to X University and start to have a rooting interest in the team and identify and all that good stuff.

    So it probably works to do it in a good number of cases.

    I would argue that it is akin to the first mover’s advantage in most things. What do you remember most? The first time — and maybe the last — or the most recent.

    The question of getting dirty by doing this also reminds me of the question often posed in some noir films about police officers.

    How so? The police have to deal with the scum of the earth and, in a sense, have to think like them in order to deal with them. But somehow they have to do that without becoming them or taking illegal short cuts. The bad guys can fight dirty and cheat and steal and etc., but the cops have to catch them honestly and fairly. They have to play by Hoyle, at least ideally. Otherwise society falls apart and law disappears.

    And many of the great movies on this topic focus on how the good guy can become the bad guy by being so exposed.

    So the question becomes can you delve into this “just a bit” without becoming tainted? Or do you become what you once ridiculed?

    Of course, interestingly, for all that we beat up on Calipari, this is one area in which he arguably shines.

    Why? Because he seemingly never has to recruit youngsters. Other colleges can cultivate a prospect for years (maybe because they have to?).

    But not Calipari! He waits to the last minute and then waltzes in and “steals” whomsoever he wants from anyone, despite the years of investment in “wooing” a recruit. And he probably totally pisses off those who lose those battles after years invested.

    Interesting topic. Must be tough for CTC and I guarantee you he thinks about these things. I’d wager dollars to doughnuts that he could give you a full semester class on the issues involved — with nuances that we can’t even guess at.

    Bobby Knight could probably also give a class on this with a typically fascinating take on it after you get through all the crap he’d throw at you. I’d put up with it for his take on this if he’d really give you his thoughts.

    Hey, how about a course team taught by those two on this topic? I’m there!

    What’s the largest lecture hall on campus? Maybe hold it in Assembly Hall! Probably need the space.

  8. Ummmm, didn’t Knight offer Damon Bailey a scholly when he was in middle school?

    Also, I don’t derive our moral high ground from recruiting kids early or going after super-talented kids that might be one-and-done. It comes from the confidence I have that there isn’t any funny business along the way.

    Cody very easily could have been one-and-done, so could Lyles, so could Anya, so could Alexander, and Gordon…

    For several years we couldn’t legitimately compete for top flight recruits, and now some want to stay away from them because a couple might be one-and-done, or because you fear others will think we’re slimy? How many of you think Roy Williams is slimy? Is Coach K a slime ball? They get occasional one-and-dones and they also get 2-and-dones.

    Are we going to renounce Cody’s greatness and take away his Hoosier card if he goes pro after next season? Will that reflect negatively on our program or CTC?

  9. That’s just the way it is. Yes, unfortunately, it probably does matter who offered him first (‘remember, son, I believed in you when you were only 9’).

    The NCAA is SOOOO far away from the moral high ground they’d have to take a train and two taxis to see it in the distance.

  10. Bear with me on this one, if you will. It is more of an editorial than a comment…

    So I think most people would agree that “depth” was one of IU’s strength’s this year. It certainly played a big factor with the absences of Sheehey and Jones, and the inconsistencies of Watford over the course of the season. I think it’s safe to say we had important contributions from 10 players:
    PG – Hulls, Abell
    SG – Jones, Roth
    SF – Dipo, Sheehey
    PF – Watford, Elston
    C – Zeller, Pritch

    There was also some significant roster flexibility with that group due to the versatility of several players. There are a couple major differences between the depth on this year’s team and those going forward. First, most of the role players aren’t potential starter types going forward – they’ve already essentially filled the roles they are going to play for the remainder of their careers. Two, there was a very severe drop off after those players listed, with only one player – Etherington – figuring into any future plans.

    We have already begun to discuss the depth chart next year and the dilemmas that will face Crean in divvying out minutes. Let’s take another look, but then also project forward for a couple years and really get a handle on just how much the IU program is changing, and what an amazing job Crean is doing in stock-piling talent.

    2012-13 Roster
    PG -Yogi, Abell
    SG – Hulls, Creek, Patterson, (Roth?)
    SF – Dipo, Sheehey, Hollowell, Etherington PF – Watford, Perea, Elston C – Zeller, Jurkin

    To re-state the obvious, there is a ton of talent there, which is why we are most everyone’s pre-season #1. But what is really impressive is the mix of veterans, youth, IQ, potential, shooting, size, length, athleticism, shot-blocking, play-makers, wing defenders, and rebounding. There just doesn’t seem to be a glaring weakness. That doesn’t mean it will all mesh as well as it did this year, but if it does the sky is the limit. This has already been discussed pretty thoroughly on here though.

    Now, let’s take a look at the future potential rosters, because this gets really exciting for us Hoosier fans.

    2013-14 Roster
    PG – Yogi, Abell
    SG – Dipo, Patterson, Hartman
    SF – Hollowell, Sheehey, Davis, Etherington PF – Perea, Fischer C – Zeller(?), Jurkin, (Anya?!)

    That is an extremely athletic team, that should be able to dominate inside and attack off the dribble. There are also several really good defenders on this team. The only thing that will be a little bit of a question mark will be perimeter shooting, but I think both PG’s and most of the wings will at least be adequate. And if Austin can develop physically like Dipo and Sheehey have done the team should have at least one elite shooter that is worthy of some PT. I am hoping that IU’s success over the two previous seasons, as well as Dipo’s Dematha connection will bring BeeJay Anya to this team creating the most dominant front court in the country. That’s a big if, but it could certainly mean another preseason #1 (even if Zeller leaves).

    2014-15 Roster
    PG – Yogi(?), Abell, (Lyle?)
    SG – Patterson, Blackmon, Hartman, (Russell?) SF – Hollowell(?), Davis, Etherington PF – Perea(?), Lyles, Fischer C – Zeller(?), Jurkin, (Anya?), (Alexander?)

    There are a ton of question marks with this roster – Zeller, Yogi, Hollowell, and Perea may all be high enough NBA draft prospects to leave early… JaQuan Lyle, D’Angelo Russell, BeeJay Anya, and Cliff Alexander are tops on my wish list, but none are committed in any sense, and we may get none, some, or all. Even if Anya does come he could potentially be a one-and-doner, especially if Zeller leaves after 2012-13 and he were handed the starting role. Even if we lose Zeller and don’t get any of the players that aren’t already at least verbally committed IU would still have a top 8 of Yogi, Abell, Patterson, Hollowell, Davis, Perea, Lyles, and Jurkin. That’s pretty dang good, especially with role players and future players like Hartman, Blackmon, Etherington, and Fischer.

    The bottom line here is that, barring some unforeseen catastrophe, IU is set up to be a major force and perennial powerhouse. With the type of recruiter that Crean is, and the way he seems able to develop talent in the off-season, as well as get teams to play FOR each other it doesn’t seem likely that this trend will change beyond 2014. If we thought that this team was deep, it doesn’t seem to have anything on our future depth. I am not sure there will ever be an IU team quite as easy, or as much fun to root for, as this year’s squad, but the future holds as much talent and potential as has existed in Bloomington in 35 years.

  11. I would suggest the point of making an offer this early is to make sure the athlete does not feel disrespected. The egos of today’s athletes are off the chart and has to be considered when recruiting.

  12. The family Gordon and all other basketball families I am sure are not shocked, surprised or offended by an early offer, in fact I think some expect it. As long as Coach Crean stays clean I have no problem winning the recruiting war.

  13. Geoff, that was kinda fun. Excellent point about CTC getting the guys to play FOR each other. That is such a big thing. When you have each others’ back things like playing time and stats take care of themselves. When a recruit comes in they can pick up on the vibe. We’ve heard recruits and their parents mention this already.
    When the team experienced a stumble this season the guys always pulled together, they never pulled apart.

  14. Geoff—-It’s “different” when Bobby does it.

    You should know that by now.

    He could take a dump on their table while they were eating dinner and they’d make excuses for it.

  15. Coach Knight closely observed and carefully tended his relationship with Bailey from Jr. High onward. Bailey, with his parents blessing was heavily involved in high profile basketball from an early age. He played tough competition in order to develop and to get noticed on a national level. The Gordons are doing the same with Eron. When coaches notice them how is that unethical or slimy?

  16. Harvard for Hillbillies
    Monday, February 13, 2012 – 6:33 PM EST

    Jeff Van Gundy said it very well the other night on an NBA broadcast(he was discussing how Lin has ignited the Knicks)…To paraphrase: It’s always been a mystery to know how to get chemistry on the floor, but it’s so easy to see when it happens. It’s the difference between five guys playing with each other and five guys playing for each other. In my humble opinion, that’s what Jordy means to the Hoosiers. When Hulls is in control of the point guard reins, we see Hoosiers playing for each other. I’m relatively thankful we have an unselfish leader in our backcourt that has no problem the undervaluing his skills. He understands some of the most important facets to winning won’t always be a visible on a stat sheet or win favor with fans that just want jaw-dropping athleticism found on a YouTube clip.

    Crean didn’t recognize a thing. This year’s team played “FOR” each other whenever the ball-hogging Turnover King was sidelined. Sorry, Chet, it’s just a fact you had no problem recognizing when “he who shall not be named” was not playing “FOR” anyone except the guy that writes his points down on a stat sheet. Tom Crean had no problem leaving him as a starter in the lineup as if it were a FORgone conclusion no matter the detriment to the team going FORward. The synergy didn’t occur until happenstance made it that way. We saw it @ Purdue and a a 3-game stretch the 2010-11 season. We witnessed it throughout the NCAA tournament this season. Seth Davis thought the Hoosiers were going nowhere without a 4-year starter to lead us. He proved he watches ZERO Hoosier basketball the last FOuR years and has brains FOR sh*t. I knew I saw the brilliance of Geoff somewhere beFORe…LOL. More butter on Geoff’s muffins!

  17. Harvard – I am not saying that your point is wrong. It’s just a different point. Playing FOR each other and playing well don’t necessarily go hand-in-hand. I think that since Crean has arrived he has done a good job of creating a family within the team. I think guys genuinely care for one another, route for one another, and feed off one another. That didn’t translate to wins until this year, and it obviously wasn’t the only reason they won.

    My point is that Crean does a good job of getting guys to play for each other, not that he always made the right call in minutes distribution. Jordy will always be a better leader, player, and PG than Jones, but that doesn’t mean he was necessarily a better teammate, or that they didn’t love each other or that the rest of the team didn’t think of Jones as a brother.

    That is the kind of atmosphere that I think Crean does a great job of fostering, and I think it can only help with future success.

  18. Coaches like Izzo, Calipari, and Calhoun also develope that same type of brotherly atmosphere within his players.

    They do it without the need to narrow a focus by handing out scholarships to bible school friends the star of the team, only looking for McDonald’s All-Americans that must believe first and foremost in Jesus, and traveling across the Atlantic for lanky toe-dribblers from Africa willing to adopt Bloomington as their new Waco home for the Limestone Brothers of the Christian Right.

    If that’s what you want, that’s fine. I prefer a bit broader focus my band of brothers. Maybe even a few cheats and thugs from the hard streets Chicago and Gary. Pay for a good tutor like Husky Tom to guide them and set them on a better course in life.

  19. HT = Harvard Tutor = Hefty Thunderstorm = Highfalutin Tongue = Helium Tirade = Herpes Tinkertoy = Harpooned Talapia = Hemorrhoid Troubles.

  20. H for H, are you off of your meds again? Where do you come up with this stuff? I have a warped imagination and can ideate some crazy sh..stuff but this takes the cake.

  21. Whoaa HfH. Sort of pouring out your biases in a very aggressive way, aren’t you? I didn’t realize we had shifted from discussing basketball.

  22. It’s always about the “meds” when the words find conflict their stomach only guided by narrowest track a nerve to their bubble heads.

    For what it’s worth, I am in total agreement with Geoff’s opinions displayed in post #9. What a relief to finally here a voice on these blogs not overcome with hypocrisy.

    I two years defending Eric Gordon on the IDS Basketblog for a similar stance; endlessly defending EJ for being no less a Hoosier in his decision to go pro after one year. The “hypocrites” have now changed and moderated their tune and claim Eric Gordon came for the perfect mix of Sampson and Hoosier. What a bunch of blowhard fakes. You’re right, Geoff. The only reason Cody wouldn’t get crucified for going pro after one season is because he’s the proper tone of skin born of hard small town hillbilly streets a proper Christian.

  23. ….finally hear a voice.

    I spent two years defending.

    You guys have fun no matter the shadows dancing about a ray of sun shining through the clouds of hypocrisy. Go hate on Harvard for speaking a bit his troubled conflicts the looking glass.

  24. Thanks for the response to my first question. But no one has answered my second question. Is there any regulation that prohibits college coaches from offering a child an athletic scholarship below a certain age?

  25. There was talk that you wouldn’t be able to offer one in writing until a certain point, but there obviously isn’t an issue with a verbal offer or IU would already be in violation having taken commitments from James Blackmon and Trey Lyles all the way back in Fall of 2010.

  26. Geoff,

    Thanks for the comment (#9). I was not saying that Knight had not done it, nor was I defending him particularly. I was just saying I’d pay to hear his take on it, including hearing him defend how he had handled it with Damon Bailey.

    I note that he is highly critical of Calipari but, as I mentioned in my prior comment, Calipari gets a pass on this issue IMHO, so Knight’s critical take on KY (Jelly) has to be based on other issues.

    West Coast Hoosier

    P.S. Excuse the attempt at “lubricating” the discussion, but I get tired of using “pUKe” sometimes.

  27. I really don’t want to get into another religious debate, but I do want to ask the question… Were both Jobe and Bawa Christian?

    Jobe is from Gambia which is 90% Sunni Muslim and 9% Christian

    Bawa is from Ghana which is 36% Muslim and 24% Christian…

    I honestly don’t know the answers, although I’ve heard people on here mention one of their faiths as Muslim in the past couple months.

    I understand that Crean is a devout Christian, but I highly doubt that he is a bigot or would let his religious views get in the way of successful basketball. I think he probably holds ethics much higher than he does religion when it comes to his recruiting practices.

    Hoping that you can find a little middle ground on this one Harvard…

  28. Whoops, I think I got some old stats on Ghana and it is predominantly Christian now… But my question still stands.

  29. Geoff,
    Tijan is definitely Muslim. I remember because when his mother died, he didn’t have time to get back for the funeral because she had to be buried within 24 hours based on the traditions of that particular sect. Not sure about Bawa.
    This, of course, is the story I want to write. Instead of postulating about how his religion influences his coaching and how he toes the line between believer and zealot, I’d just like to ask him. Thought about delving into it with him at the tournament, but it just didn’t seem like the time or the place. I have my interview request in. Hoping it works out.

  30. Geoff-

    Everyone has their personal view on the matter. There are likely private universities devoted to Christianity that make a particular faith less of a prerequisite to play on their sports teams than what I feel is the growing public perception that is beginning to form around the IU basketball program.

    That’s the only issue I have with it, Geoff. I am not anti-faith. I am not opposed to bringing kids from any part of the world that have skills at the game and desire a better life in an Indiana Hoosier uniform. When it gets to the point of nearly every player mentioning God when a microphone shows up at a locker room and every postgame interview where our coach decides to use a basketball game to turn faith into a propaganda tool, I think Indiana begins to function in a manner that steps over the line of inclusive and tolerant intent.

    I love IU basketball. What I’ve always loved more is the pride I’ve always felt in Indiana to never allow itself to deny and close doors(whether by perception or actual implementation)to any young man that has found his own passion for hoops part of a goal to play for one of the most storied programs in the country. I don’t care if a kid is from the Sudan, Chicago, Gary, Kokomo, Kentucky, California, Indianapolis, Bloomington, or Timbuktu. I don’t care their faith. I believe in quiet conversion and an open heart. Brotherhood and tolerance weaved into the strands a net that hangs from the rims in McCracken.

    Sports has always been the best avenue to bring people together. When a basketball is thrown into the air at tip-off we tend to abandon our differences(other than our exaggerated contempt for a rival opponent merely based on the wearing a different jersey). Above that rivalry, we have a common interest and passion that transcends the obsessions with a world that gives us daily reminders our uglier side of society that prefers to concentrate on building walls of differences above shared desires and rights to liberty and happiness all deserve.

    I like our coach. I like the way he can motivate his team. He appears to be a great family man and a man that wears his heart on his sleeve. I have never questioned his passion for the game. I don’t think this is about free speech. The issue is restriction by way of perception. I want our doors open to all. If you listen to some bloggers, it’s as if they use the mistakes of Sampson as a reason to never go recruiting into certain streets and neighborhoods of selected cities as if it’s a prerequisite to getting bad kids and future problems. Is that what we want out of our institution? Is that what we believe is at the heart of “Because it’s Indiana?”

  31. I can’t argue with that but at the same time who can argue with taking a native son, Indiana born kid to wear the candystripes of his own state team as opposed to a kid from Detroit or Chicago or Dallas? One of the things I love about our Hoosiers and smirk about Kentucky is that Indiana University actually has players from Indiana on the roster.

  32. That’s the greatest part in the whole equation of inclusiveness, Chet. When a kid has all the skill and opportunity in the world to take his talent elsewhere, he chooses Indiana. Would it feel as special to that Indiana young man if he knew we weren’t attempting to make IU the same premier destination for talented prospects that bond to the passion our hoops outside the borders?

    The greatest and enduring love is one that holds true in the face of all freedoms rather than walls and restrictions.

  33. I want Indiana kids to explore all opportunities. There is a certain pride that goes along with seeing Indiana kids playing for an abundance of schools in the NCAA tournament. I was amazed just how many vital components of rosters had kids from the Hoosier state. Those young men tear down stereotypes. To grow beyond helps one grow within. I don’t want a kid that wears candy-stripes based on assumptions of safety or a lack of investigation where his talents best fit his heart.

    I hate to lose our top players in our own backyard to the Duke, Michigan, Kentucky, etc, but what would turn my stomach more is losing that talented homegrown kid to another rival program(be it to an in- state or out-of-state school)based on a possibility there is a restrictive atmoshpere, a building of walls around our program, that has nothing to do with skills at the game of basketball and getting an equal opportunity to a quality education.

  34. Well the atmosphere certainly wasn’t restricting when it came to The Movement…

    He also has a great head start on 2014…

    I guess I’m just not sure I’m seeing the evidence of your fears Harvard. Either that or there are enough devout Christians in the top ranks that it doesn’t seem to matter. Between 2012 and 2014 we have 5 top 40ish players committed including at least 2 McD AA’s. And we have several other top 20-types considering us over the next few years.

  35. Success begets success, Geoff. I’m pretty sure that’s true on the recruiting stage. The landing of Zeller had a lot to do with the “Movement.”

    D-Wade is certainly devout. His mother attributes the turnaround her drug addiction to being saved by Christ.

    People tend to turn the other way to all sorts of narrow ideals, intolerance, corruption, and restrictive practices in their bubbles of “success.” To be successful and in be held in high regard those holding majority of opinions that flourish as a direct result your “success” doesn’t necessarily impress upon my perceptions of striving for something better and everlasting in hope and tolerance.

    As I said, if you want ‘Salem of Bloomington’ because it brings successful hoops, that’s your choice to run with your perceptions a “majority” of IU fans and recruits seeking out their higher institutions of choice no matter restrictions a road to glory.

    If we’re really going to be honest, most the cream of the crop on college rankings lists probably don’t give a crap any true ideals a coach or institution. The one-and-done is more proof that conspiracy, Christ, or catastrophe will never stand in the way a player merely seeking a stage to put his talent on best display for the NBA game he soon perceives all his future superficial fortunes.

    Is there really anything intrinsically virtuous left in a college experience for the supremely talented? I see nothing of gold in the Kentucky experience. I see nothing of college. I see nothing of belief. I see nothing of learning. I see nothing of exploring. I see a one-way ticket to riches. Great lesson. Christ save us all.

  36. And may I preemptively strike…(in defense the one-and-done).

    Freedom has always been a necessary contradiction we must live with.

  37. I’m not sure you’re looking at it the right way. At least not as it applies to recruiting. I don’t think it’s exclusiveness, I think it’s inclusiveness. Here’s what I mean (and, bear in mind, I’m not a religion guy).

    There is going to be a significant portion of recruits (and even more of their Moms) that aren’t going to consider a program if they don’t feel the coach is a ‘Godly man’.

    I seriously doubt that CTC would exclude any talented kid on religious grounds. He seems pretty even handed. On the other hand, I think there are plenty of kids, and Moms, that would exclude a school for the lack thereof within the coaching ranks.

    Maybe I’m just blind to it but I don’t see Coach Crean telling me I need to share his beliefs so much as he is saying ‘here’s what I believe, have a nice day’

    As long as he doesn’t try to proclaim it as institutional and it’s otherwise doing no harm I don’t really care.

    Now, if he were to say, “IU is a Christian university,” then I’d say he’s crossed the line.

    I’d be willing to bet that there are a lot more recruits out there that identify themselves as Muslim than any of us might suspect.

  38. I’m sure that’s why a single mom working her butt off to keep her boy out of trouble on the tough streets a poor neighborhood in Chicago, encouraged her son, Isiah Thomas, to play for Bobby. Knight was a Jesus freak with a whip.

  39. And I’m not saying Crean is “excluding” anyone based on religious grounds. Again…The issue is restriction by way of perception. The issue is using faith rather than allowing it grow and nurture at its own pace each individual’s place to keep it.

    Why does any faith need to be used as propaganda every chance for a blurb into an open microphone or basketball discussion? I have faith in candystripes..I silently prayed for many a Pritch free throw to drop.

  40. Believe me, I’m with you on that. Up to my eyeballs. But I don’t want to commit the same sin (pun intended) by being intolerant of his right to tweet.

    One of my friends down here is what I have come to call an ‘evangelical atheist’. Doug is every bit as outspoken and intolerant regarding his atheism as any Ted Haggerty wannabe is about their religion. His atheism has become his religion as I see it.

    I find one every bit as tiresome as the other.

  41. Exactly…Chet hit the nail on the head…if you tell me the issue is intolerance, for or against, belief or the absence of it in a deity, religion or however it expresses itself, intolerance is just that and I, personally, have no room for it.

    In fact that’s why my dad moved us nearly 6000 miles, learned a strange language and rebuilt our lives…to live free of intolerance however it expresses itself.

    Coach Crean (or anyone else) has a right to express belief as he/she sees fit, on any medium available to him and use it as his conscience and our Bill of Rights (in our USA) permit and guarantee. The theme of the ‘evangelical atheist” as described by Chet is as much at the heart of the issue as the issue of intolerance whether in Christianity, Islam, Judaism (…etal) and to include agnosticism and atheism.

  42. Chet-

    Chet, Geoff, & Tsao-

    I’ve always respected all your opinions and respect the fact you don’t disregard my own.

    Right, or wrong, I’m still not totally comfortable with the public displays of a particular faith. I just dont’ see the purpose or the appropriateness. I have watched it grow more frequent as our coach has found his own job more secure based on the program’s success. Because a personal Twitter account created by the lead representative our basketball team can evolve to appear as almost a perceived extension of IU Basketball in an nearly official-looking capacity(much like a Twitter account for the Herald Times could be used by Dustin), to the point, again, of being interpreted as representative the main thrust and belief system an entire arm of our public institution, I’m not totally buying into the harmlessness of using it as a form of propaganda to sell one particular creed alongside background images of IU Basketball.

    You can be cognizant your actions the potential perceptions and misperceptions your voice within the function a highly visible and influential position representing Indiana. I personally believe there should be no advertisement of Indiana University as part of your selling your faith or lack thereof.

    Chet’s angle regarding the atheist argument is spot on. And how strange and inappropriate most would likely consider a head coach at a public institution using a Twitter account that also serves a purpose for discussion his job and talking of his players to place quotes in every other entry from well-known atheist authors/public figures to the degree the ‘evangelical atheist’ described as Chet’s neighbor? What if Crean was an atheist and put quotes from Bill Maher and used excerpts from the movie “Religulous” to spread his distaste for the “fairytales” of faith? Would that be perceived with tolerance?

    Are we tolerant becuase he has the right to say as he pleases among the background images an institution that should be perceived as open in its opportunities to all, or are we tolerant because, as Geoff’s says, he is voicing the views of a growing “devout Christian” majority and thus why and the hell should we care the perception as long as we get skilled basketball players?

  43. This may enlighten some people.

    Mike Krzyzewski took the occasion of a radio appearance to rail against the current relationship between the NBA and college basketball. From The Sports Animal in Oklahoma City (via SRI): “First of all college basketball doesn’t control college basketball. The NBA controls college basketball. They are the ones along with the players union that sets the rule. College basketball just reacts to what the NBA does to include the early entry date. College basketball put out April 10th. Well that date doesn’t mean anything. April 29th is when guys have a chance to put their names in the NBA draft. … As a resolve we don’t have a voice with the NBA or the players union and that’s just kind of sad.”

  44. Here’s food for thought. In scholastic and collegiate wrestling they are very strict about intentional delays or calling attention to oneself when coming onto the mat.

    Yet…they are perfectly fine (in the cases I have seen) with a wrestler stepping on the mat then kneeling to say a prayer.

    I have personally felt that this is nothing more than an individual calling attention to themselves. If it were about the prayer why not do it thirty seconds earlier alongside the bench? Why is it necessary to wait until all eyes in the gym are on you?

  45. Most athletes are heavily invested in establishing routine. He may also wear sky blue pink nail polish for each match. If I was offended I would not look or even attend.

  46. That wasn’t the point. The point was that they suspended the rules for him. The rules are very clear regarding ‘public display’. A similar ‘non religious’ (Christian?) display would result in a penalty point being awarded his opponent.

  47. If it were about the prayer why not do it thirty seconds earlier alongside the bench? Why is it necessary to wait until all eyes in the gym are on you?

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