IU players not involved in Indy Pro-Am

Well that was a fun little news cycle there…

For the past several weeks, we’d been given every indication that Indiana players were not going to be involved in the Knox Indy Pro-Am this year at IUPUI. Rosters were posted on Tuesday, however, and Jordan Hulls, Will Sheehey, Victor Oladipo, Christian Watford, Yogi Ferrell and Jeremy Hollowell were listed on teams.

However, shortly thereafter, Indiana confirmed that those players would not in fact be participating with a statement from an IU spokesman.

“Because of our workout schedule this summer, no players from IU will participate (in the Pro-Am). Our guys enjoyed the experience last year and it’s something that we will evaluate each year.”

The reason is that the NCAA now allows coaches to work with players in the summer for two hours per week. Because of classes, IU hasn’t been able to schedule those before 3:30 p.m., and with games starting at Indy at 6 p.m., it’s mostly impossible for the guys to get to games.

Now, how exactly it was that the players ended up on rosters, we have no idea. Keep in mind that Ron Artest was listed on a roster for the Pro-Am last year and obviously never showed up. It’s a summer league. These things happen.


  1. My understanding was that the coaches could work with them two hours per day and eight hours per week. Is that wrong?

  2. It might be eight hours per week total work allowed including weight room instruction and conditioning, but I don’t believe it’s eight hours per week on the floor. It is, I believe, the same restriction for offseason workouts as there are in the fall before the beginning of practice and the spring after the season ends.

  3. Hey Clarion, you were asking about our temps in the mountains. Well, I was in Indiana last week and I’ve returned to a sweltering 83 degrees and everyone is complaining about the heat.

  4. I grew up in Northwest Indiana …We lived in the country in a wonderful house my dad had crafted from Montana lumber. We were about 10 miles from the shoreline of Lake Michigan and the Indiana Dunes National Parks(it was State Park when I was a kid).

    I truly believe we had the best weather in the world…When I say best, I mean the full experience of every season..We had variety in all..In the middle of summer we could get a dash of crisp Canadian front come across Lake Michigan and we would have the clearest blue skies and low humidity. We also had our share of the steamy days and temperatures that could sore into the 90s and occasionally break 100 degrees.

    Fall would arrive with football and the leaves put on their spectacular display. Indian Summer would bring back warm days and the last taste of mid-August sun. Humidity gone..green grass with trees turning their brightest oranges, fiery reds, and yellows…the mature maple trees on our property would nearly turn florescent pink before giving into the transformation their preparation for winter..Cool comfortable nights..We had towering old oak trees surrounding our house. My dad went to every extreme to save every tree possible when the deep foundations were dug around the perimeter his rustic “dream house” castle perched on the edge a steep ravine once cut by glaciers.. Their branches extended over all the flat rooftop of Montana fur. I basically grew up in a 4000 sq ft. tree house…On a fall night, the oaks would come alive. They would toss their one inch acorns from the skies and bounce them off the ceiling my bedroom…They would come in random patterns and tones depending on their size and distance traveled their last grasp a branch. It never kept me awake..It became soothing and comforting their playful game of pinging and ponging to the whistling songs a windy night. I miss those cool fall nights.

    In the winter we had blizzards like no other when brutally cold Arctic air would come across the warmer waters of deep Lake Michigan..The clouds would open above and drop a foot of white per hour. We would get snowed in..Our long driveway of 200 yards could drift head-high. I remember one night we had wind chill temps that went down to 80 below zero. …A 16ft. tall fieldstone fireplace that would rival the biggest a frontier lodge would roar in the heart of the house to keep us content and cozy in our stranded happiness.

    I was lucky such a beautiful place I got to spend the best seasons my youth. I must admit…very, very lucky. Swimming pool, field to hit baseballs as deep a center field blast at Wrigley..a garden for growing the accompaniments my mom’s great homemade meals.. We weren’t rich…It was all their hard work and my dad’s one-of-a-kind ingenuity..

    The spring? They blossom in my memory whenever I think of my dad’s hidden fortress he built all dreams to grow.

    I’ll bore you no more.

  5. …temperatures that would soar.

    My spelling is deplorable(especially when tired).

  6. Two or fewer errors on the SAT? I think that would qualify for any Ivy League school? I believe I had 2 or fewer correct on each section.

    I had a cousin that supposedly had a perfect score. He was a few years older than me and his parents never stopped reminding my mom and dad every visit to our house. I went into the test with their claims echoing in my brain every turn of a test page.

  7. “Spell” SAT…Never mind. I glanced at your post. Pretty much what I told my parents after my SAT scores arrived in the mail. Not bad scores for glancing.

  8. The SAT obviously is critical, but the PSAT you take your junior year is the most important test that colleges look at. Your junior year of high school is huge. I’m going to have to improve my 3.7 GPA if I want to get into Indiana University.

    Does anybody know what the average GPA is of students that get into law school at IU?

  9. Reggie, just so you, as a 15 year old know. The PSAT scores are NOT sent to colleges.

  10. Geoff hit the nail on the head…Cut the charades, Reggie.

    We all know who you really are.

  11. Not to go even more off-topic, but I just stumbled across some amazing information today..This Benson guy from the 1970s(coincidentally sharing the name of a great IU center) now calls Chet’s backyard, the North Carolina Blue Ridge Mountains, home…And guess what else!? He attended Kellenberger’s alma mater..Probably has the best jump shot to ever come out of Appalachian State.

    I wonder if Chet ever runs into him in Ashville and challenges him to a game of one-on-one at the mansion disquieted by gravel driveway?

  12. A mix of Jersey thugs and dudes that remind me of Robbie Benson…Have I just discovered the recruiting modus operandi of Tom Crean when IU is at its prime attractiveness? One-on-One meets One-and-Done?

  13. Harvard, when my oldest, who is now an engineer, finished the SATs I asked him how he did. He matter-of-factly said, “Well, I don’t know about the verbal, but I didn’t miss any of the math questions.”

    I was quite humbled. That was not my experience.

    He got his scores and he did not get a perfect 800 on the math section…so he took them again. He got the same, less than perfect score.

    He is convinced it is a test error.

    Mind you, he is not a brainiac nerd. He’s a goofy, jock kid who routinely slept through classes and probably didn’t even know where his locker was.

    Some folks just GET math. He once told me that when he looks at a board with a lengthy equation he doesn’t look at it in a linear fashion (beginning to end) like I would. It’s more like a painting to him.

    His favorite thing in the world is his table saw. Go figure.

  14. Hey Harvard, I read where Benson was artist-in-residence on the faculty of ASU but never really found anything about him attending or playing there. Where did you find that?

  15. Chet-

    There was a couple things on YouTube I explored…

    -I found an interview where Appalachian State is mentioned..I guess he’s married to pretty well known Broadway singer/actress that attended Loyola University(Chicago)..
    Look for a YouTube clip with the title “Robby Benson Interview on Good Day LA.”

    -The “playing” college hoops at Appalachian was a joke..I thought you surely would have been familiar with the movie “One on One” that Robby Benson starred in. It was the classic bully vs. scrawny runt sorta film in a basketball version. Here’s a clip.

    Hope Reggie knows I was just doing some friendly mocking of Geoff’s last “charades” accusation. I enjoy Reggie’s presence on Scoop.

  16. My bad. All politics is local around here so, had he played at ASU, I would probably have seen many mentions of it.

    Reggie is fine. I know he’s a 42 year old longshoreman with hair implants but everyone’s welcome.

    I actually met Dustin last week. Did you guys know he is actually a 6’8″ black man covered in tats? Looked like Karl Malone on meth.

    Man, was I ever off base on that one.

  17. I still have Robby Benson hair..though the grays are coming in like a cold foreshadowing wind all the lake effect snows the many winters my childhood home.

    Reggie- Just give me ten guys each with the heart of A.J. Moye..That’s a plenty adequate all-time top 10 for Harvard. The young men with hearts of champions aren’t always on lists that brag of the “best.” Big shots and knee burns to change the momentum of a game are not always the accomplishment of the most memorable name.

    There are many notable names long before I became a fan of IU basketball..The guy that impressed me more than any other was Steve Downing. Downing would be king of my list. Humble man with nothing but relentless determination. He appeared to not have a mean bone in his body..The only thing mean was his game. Much like the great Chicago Bear, Walter Payton; the spirit to never quit while never losing your dignity in victory or defeat. Most young stars today have lost that sense of humility that goes along with never thinking you’re bigger than the game. They can’t control the infectious delight their own spotlight..What you do for your teammate and the school you represent could give them so much more lasting satisfaction but they are corrupted the endless hoopla aimed at their own name.

  18. Keith Smart only 45?

    No way.

    He provided one of the greatest moments in basketball, not just IU, history.

    And tell me about “body of work”?

    We brag about 5 Titles.

    He brought us one with THE clutch shot.

  19. Doh! Found it. The Hutchens article. That is a fun contest. I don’t know enough about the players pre-1970 to accurately place Smart (or anyone I guess). Obviously there is a deep and rich tradition at IU, so #45 is nothing to sniff at. Personally, Keith is my favorite player. I was 12 when he hit The Shot so he was my absolute hero. That has only deepened since I have become such close friends with his brother Herb, and had the chance to spend some time with Keith. For about the last decade its been an annual visit when his teams have been in Boston to play the Celts. That being said, #45 seems about right to me, since Keith was only at IU for 2 years and didn’t put up dominant numbers. Clearly he was a very important player, but was only the 5th leading scorer on that championship team. Bonus points for being Final Four MOP gets him in the top 50.

  20. So, do college look at PSAT scores. The answer to that is NO, absolutely not. When you apply to the college of your choice, you will be sending in an application, any recommendation letters or essays (if they ask for them) and an official high school transcript. The ONLY way they can see a PSAT score is if it’s listed on your transcript. If it is, you can have it removed but 99% of high schools across the country do not list this score on an official transcript.

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  21. The PSAT is for practice, that’s it. Nobody cares or looks at the PSAT. After you’re in college nobody cares about the SAT. Then it’s on to the GRE, LSAT, MCAT and whathaveyou.

    I was a mediocre (at best) student at IU. Where I learned about studying was flight school. Navy flight surgeons were required to take basic flight instruction when I served. I once had one tell me medical school was a breeze in comparison, of course they are very different in nature. Nobody really cares if you make it or not, there are plenty of people waiting to take your place. You’re on your own.

    Years later, graduate school, though demanding, was a piece of cake. I had learned how to learn. Probably the most valuable thing I got from the military.

    Keith Smart at #45 sounds about right to me. I’d have to see the whole list.

  22. Chet, the PSAT is more than practice, read the following:

    So, how do you use the PSAT scores and what are they even for? Well, the test is developed to do a couple main things:

    First, it measures your ability and give you an idea of what areas you need to brush up on before taking the actual SAT tests. And secondly, the PSAT is also associated with the National Merit Scholarship Corporation and if a student does well enough on the test, he or she could qualify themselves as a National Merit Finalist which could have some scholarship money associated with it.

    But don’t get your hopes up yet. Only a very select group of students do well enough on the test to gain “finalist” status and then get awarded scholarship money. If you don’t win a scholarship, just becoming “commended” or a finalist goes a long way with college admission and looks very good on your transcript.

  23. We spend so much time slathering coaches with praise…Where would they really be without big shots and big plays? Aren’t their careers often defined by these moments?

    Without that game-winner by Smart, Knight has two banners under his coaching regime and likely appears more of a mortal rather than IU god. Would he have been able to hang on for as long as he did without that ’87 championship? Would recruiting have stayed strong? Would he have landed Damon Bailey? Where will Bailey be on the list…? I’ll guess #10.

    Reminds me of a very famous movie..Never discount the power of one event..Never discount the power of one moment. Never assume those that put you on a list, or grade you, or put you in a box their standardized methods to influence your perceptions of your own worth, have any genuine depth or real clue the unnoticed value you hold and what you mean to the success and happiness that light you helped build…For those that are often labeled as failed forged the pathway all others have trailed..Those that have been cast as losers often sacrifice more than those benefiting the final steps all but the summit that had already been climbed.

    A list though absent your name is only a photo of the eternal flame captured in time. Those that gathered all the kindling impossible to fit in the lens of history; their humble forgotten shadows kept the fire burning for those standing in the snapshot its fiery glow and intriguing fame.

  24. Here’s my Top Eleven Hoosiers

    # 11 George McGinnis
    # 10 Damon Bailey
    # 9 Quinn Buckner
    # 8 Calbert Cheaney
    # 7 Steve Alford
    # 6 Eric Gordon
    # 5 Steve Downing
    # 4 Mike Woodson
    # 3 Scoot May
    # 2 Cody Zeller
    # 1 Landon Turner

  25. Wow..Forgot one of the biggest names.

    Revised Top Eleven(McGinnis slips to # 12):

    # 11 Calbert Cheaney
    # 10 Damon Bailey
    # 9 Quinn Buckner
    # 8 Steve Alford
    # 7 Eric Gordon
    # 6 Mike Woodson
    # 5 Steve Downing
    # 4 Scott May
    # 3 Cody Zeller
    # 2 Isiah Thomas
    # 1 Landon Turner

  26. I started watching IU ’82-’83.

    My favorite player of all time is Calbert.

    Don’t know if I can rank the rest of them, but I’ve really enjoyed Moye, Fife, Hornsby, DJ White and several others……especially Neil Reid.

  27. That is the problem with wanting 1 player to place in 1 particular spot, you have to overlook a whole lot of others. Can anybody say Tolbert, Rayl, Wilkerson, Henderson, Kitchel, Wittman, Edwards, White and a host of others should place w/o looking at the whole body of IU starters over 70 years? Tough duty to be both object and subjective on this. Nobody will agree but Bellamy is top 10 for sure. He was a force and for his years made an impact that was not out hyped till Alcindor.

  28. If you think of guys that maintained more than just a glimpse at an NBA career, it’s hard to deny Jared Jeffries a spot on the Top 11…not to mention he did play on a Hoosier team that defeated #1 Duke in a regional semi and came within one win another banner in Assembly. Plus, he’s a Bloomington native!

    This is getting too complicated.

  29. Walt Bellamy wasn’t just a great Hoosier but he was one of the greatest players to ever play the game.

  30. I remember when Reed got hurt and STILL busted his butt on the court.

    People were SHOWERING him with praise.

    It was only after he stopped putting up with Knight’s choking he became the “worst ever.”

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