Freshmen competing for O-line spots, Heban suffers mild concussion, and other notes from IU football practice

As Indiana’s season opener against Indiana State approaches, it appears increasingly likely that the Hoosiers will be protecting quarterback Tre Roberson’s blindside with a true freshman, and potentially more than one.

Redshirt junior Charlie Chapman has been out since about the third day of preseason practice with a concussion and he still has not returned. Freshmen Jason Spriggs, who was recruited as a tight end, has been working as the first team left tackle and it appears he will start the opener.

“Chapman’s been out, so he’s not going,” Indiana coach Kevin Wilson said. “I don’t know if we’ll get him back. He’s been out since Day 2 or 3, maybe 3. He’s been out for quite a while. Hopefully he comes back. It’s a concussion deal, but he hasn’t come off of it, so Jason’s gotten the bulk of it. He’s done well. We’ll do things to help him, whether it’s just having tight ends help and backs help. Throw quick passes or schematically, it’s always matchups. You’ll look at matchups. He’s awfully good, though. He’s actually probably better than the guy who got hurt physically. Outside of experience and youtfulness, he’s as good if not a better player.”

In addition, freshman Dan Feeney has been practicing as the first team left guard and also the second team left tackle. The 6-foot-4, 292-pounder will continue to battle with sophomore Bernard Taylor, who started as a true freshman, but he appears to have a decent shot to win that job. Taylor and redshirt sophomores Cody Evers and Collin Rahrig all appear to be fighting with Finney for the two guard spots. Senior Will Matte has been working as the center and sophomore Peyton Eckert as the right tackle.

“We’re a little thin at tackle,” Wilson said. “Our offense is reasonably solid if we get good tackle play. Until you get out there and play against some ends for real, some upper-level ends in our conference — and we’ll play one the first week, a young man from Indiana State (Ben Obaseki) is as good as most in the Big Ten, if not better — so we’ll find out early what Jason’s about. Bernard’s doing OK inside. Dan Feeney’s as good as him. That’s a nice little deal. You’ve got some depth there. Collin Rahrig’s doing well with Cody Evers and Will Matte, so you’ve kinda got five guys in those center-guard spots. Peyton Eckert at one tackle, Spriggs at the other. Then you go to Pete Bachman and Greg Lewis, who didn’t practice this morning. We’re a little more shaky, but the tackle position has got to play well.”

— Wilson said he’s generally pleased with the play from his junior college players and is happy with the energy, but he still seems hesitant to say they’re all ready. It appears obvious that linebackers David Cooper and Jacarri Alexander are ahead of the rest — they played the most in the spring game and have been in first team situations in just about every practice that has been made open to the media, but Wilson still wants to see better understanding of the game from all of them.

“We’re gaining,” Wilson said. “But you know, a lot of guys will tell you those JUCO guys give you some physicalness, some energy and all that, but it takes them a while. I used  the example of Stephen Houston last year. It took him, I thought, until September to learn how to practice hard. He still learning how to practice hard sometimes. Some of those guys who are in junior college because maybe they’re underachievers. An underachiever guy isn’t always in the classroom. It’s getting those guys to have a sense of urgency. … The real deal will be where are they Week 1 and where are they come Week 4, 5, 6?”

— Adam Kranda, a freshman defensive end from New Castle, has not enrolled for the fall semester yet. Wilson said at the beginning of preseason practice that Kranda would not be there for personal issues, and Wilson said Wednesday he still hasn’t enrolled for the same reason.

“He’s not in school,” Wilson said. “I don’t believe his plans right now are to come to school. He’s got a personal deal he’s dealing with, private deal he’s working with. I haven’t had conversations with him in over a week, so school had started. We were hoping to get the opportunity to get him in class. There’s a timeline here, where if he’s not here, the semester goes, and from there, we’ll decide and look, can we get him here mid-semester or not, and we’ll just kinda see how it plays out.”

— Cornerback Greg Heban suffered a minor concussion in Friday’s scrimmage, Wilson said.

“He got hit the other day in the scrimmage making a tackle on Stephen (Houston) and just got a helmet to the head,” Wilson said. “I think he’s going to be going. The thought from (the athletic training staff) was he should be good tomorrow. Maybe today, but coming off a slight concussion deal. He’s missed a couple of days.”

— Wilson said he’s not certain when Chapman or running back Isaiah Roundtree will return. Roundtree also has a concussion.

He also said that if their injuries keep them out much longer, they won’t be available for the opener.

“It’s whatever (the athletic training staff) says,” Wilson said. “… If they hold them out, they don’t practice, and if they don’t practice, they don’t play in games. Right now, the guys who have been held out significantly are not going to be playing with us in Game 1 and Game 2. We’ve got a lot of timing going on, a lot of special team work going on, a lot of teaching.”

AUDIO: Kevin Wilson

63 comments

  1. I’ve always loved how CKW uses the word “deal” so often. As in, “It’s a concussion ‘deal.'”

    For one thing, it reminds me of when Steve Martin receives one of the two critical life lessons he learns during his carnival phase in “The Jerk” (with the other being about special purposes)…”Oh, so it’s a PROFIT deal! Step right up and get some crap!”

    And, by the way, since I missed the rest of the scheduling philosophy debate the other day, I only meant scheduling weak as a short-term, near-term deal. Just in the sense that making a bowl game has become a recruiting deal, and, above all, the extra practices are a BIG deal.

    At the point the team can expect to win two-to-three games in conference, then I think it’s a deal where you try to upgrade the schedule a bit. That’s why I do like the Wake Forest games…at that point in the program’s hopeful development, I think the Demon Deacons are an i-deal opponent.

  2. Don’t take Wake Forest for granted. They are only a couple seasons removed from being a very good team.

  3. I like the ‘deal’ deal, too. Hopefully, we can be making fun of various ‘deals’ for years to come. Maybe it will become his signature nationally.

  4. Ouch! Tre’s left tackle will be a freshman. Not good, no matter how good Spriggs is. I’m not sure, but I thought Wilson may have been expressing some frustration with Chapman. I may be reading too much into this, but if not, why state to the press that “He’s (Spriggs) actually probably better than the guy who got hurt physically. Outside of experience and youtfulness, he’s as good if not a better player?” That comment may not motivate Chapman upon his return. Sounded a little harsh.

    And the “we’re a little thin” comment indicates that IU football still has a long way to go in building it’s O-line, which I believe is always the foundation of any good football team. It looks like Tre’s mobility out of the pocket may be just as necessary this year as it was last year.

  5. Podunker, I share your concerns. Our D is not yet good enough to keep us in games and so to win, we have to score a lot of points. Not having a dependable O line obviously hampers us offensively. I still think we can win 3 and maybe 4 games this year, but none of them will be “gimmes.” Do not be surprised or dismayed if ISU, MASS and Ball State are close matches and as for Navy, I just don’t know if our inexperienced D can hold up.

  6. Two of Wilson’s favorite words are “deal” and “gig.” Before every press conference, Ken Bikoff and I set an over-under on how many times he’ll use each based on the potential material. (Yes, this is how reporters entertain themselves) He’s broken double-digits for deals in 20 minutes. Gigs are usually lower, but he can go up to about five on that one.

  7. Po, I’m sure you’re tight about using pressers as motivational tools but let’s keep it in perspective. I’m sure he did the same thing as an assistant and OC and he turned out some pretty good players.

  8. I have no problem with Wilson, or any head coach, making those statements directly to a player, even if the statements are made in front of his teammates. My HS football coach was brutal in communicating where each player stood, although some times not as direct. I remember, the summer before my senior year in HS, missing a weak of summer “voluntary” work-outs to go on a family vacation, only to return to the workouts and discover I had been demoted from “starter” to last place on the depth chart. That was our coach’s chicken-sh#t way of communicating his displeasure that I had dared to miss a week of workouts. My response was to get so angry that, during the first week of contact drills, I injured two of the younger players that had been placed ahead of me on the depth chart. I quickly recovered my place as the starter, but diminished the team’s depth at my position for about month (their injuries were not serious) while my two teammates recovered from their injuries.

    I have no problem with a coach being brutally honest and direct regarding player assessment. I just hope Wilson communicated that to Chapman first, before speaking those words to the press. Wilson’s tactic of volunteering such things to the media, without being prompted, is not the best way to communicate to his players, or any subordinate for that matter. It has the potential to humiliate and demoralize the player. And given the lack of depth on IU’s O-line, that just does not seem to be real smart right now.

    If I’m a player and I get my butt chewed out in front of my teammates, it stays in the “family.” But when my coach diminishes my talent, or my effort, in to the media, that can be demoralizing and will often be counter-productive. The generally accepted leadership principle of, “praise publicly, criticize privately” is something Wilson may want to reevaluate, at least until he enjoys better depth in the offensive line.

  9. Here’s the deal, there’s a good deal in it if we deal out some surprises and gradually become the kind of deal others don’t like dealing with, but you depend on life dealing you some luck to do some major dealing and the cards; though, the deal doesn’t always stack up the way you hoped you play with the hand you are dealt . Until then, you have to deal with what life deals you, and sometimes, you get dealt. What a deal! Deal us in!

  10. Podunker…I think Wilson is doing just fine and as someone pointed out yesterday he motivates by pointing fingers (privately and publicly) and that seems to be just fine (RMK use to do the same exact thing).

    At any rate, I’m sure KW knows one hell of a lot more about motivating, dealing directly and truthfully with his men and knowing the consequences of their behaviors, his observations and behavior and how to get results.

    We often say “we like him”…or ‘we like what he is doing” and then (as last year the chicken ____ pecking started immediately. We hired him, his career speaks for his methods. Trust him or we should get off the bus at the next stop. No one promised a comfortable and quick ride where we’d like to go.

    One thing is for sure; we had ‘advice and comments’ for nearly every coach we’ve had before. You see where it has left us. Time to let someone else do the driving and for us to quietly see where it takes us. Can’t be any worse, can it?

    I think he’s doing fine. His directness, honesty and are indeed refreshing. The boys will just have to become men.

  11. Po,
    My high school football coach, a real Bible thumper, was as hypocritical a POS as I’ve ever encountered. A true piece of excrement.

  12. Dustin, I’m disappointed. I watched the first 2 minutes of the video above and didn’t catch one ‘deal’. After 2 minutes of that interview I could however see why it is necessary for you and Bik to come up with ways to stay entertained.

  13. Tsao, I like Wilson. That should be obvious to anyone who has read my posts on the subject. I also think he’s doing fine. But that does not mean I agree with everything he does or that he is above being criticized when he, in my opinion, makes a mistake.

    We do not know if he had previously communicated his opinion about Spriggs, a freshman, to Chapman, his red-shirt Junior directly. We hope he has, but we do not know that he has. Even if he had communicated that statement to Chapman, I think it is ill-advised for him to volunteer such a statement to the press. He was not asked, who is better, Chapman or Spriggs? It appears as if he went out of his way to take a shot at Chapman, who is out from a concussion.

    I’m sure there is a reason why Wilson did that, but it’s never a good idea to level those broadsides against a subordinate in the press. You are right, Knight criticized his players to the press frequently. But in Knight’s case, there was never any doubt that the player had heard the criticism directly from the coach’s mouth. Also, Knight reserved his criticism, at least that which was expressed to the press, for his best players. He knew his starters could take the hit. But rarely did Knight blast one of the less-talented players, at least in the media.

    I like Wilson. I support Wilson. I think he’s got IU football pointed in the right direction. But I just hate when coaches, or anyone in a position of authority, denigrates a subordinate in the press. And it is a little disconcerting that Wilson criticized a young man that is out due to a concussion. If I understand the new policy correctly, it’s the doctor/trainer that controls when a concussed player is eligible to return to the field for contact, not the players. Why make those statement about a guy that is being held out of practice because of a brain injury?

    I made a similar comment about a similar public blast Wilson made last year. You may disagree with my opinion on this habit, but at least I’m consistent.

  14. Po – understand where you are coming from, but my first thought was that the comments RE Spriggss were more to bolster him than to denegrate Chapman – I see there are two sides here

    I trust CKW and overall like what is happening with IU football.

  15. I am consistent as well. These are players who claim to have NFL football as a goal, enroll and play at a Big Ten program…it’s time to be big boys and grow into manhood. Surprises me in a sense, your hopes and passion for IU football have always been clear. But we suffered from a nightmare of a year when it became evident that IU players- many of them- did not understand and in many cases did not want to understand that this is a hard game, and literally folded under the challenge. If there is a way forward we can not go back to feeling sorry for ourselves and stroking soft players on the forehead.

    Personally, my contribution is that it’s KW’s call and I support his authority without my having to soften the critique of a 20-year-old, 6’7″,300 lbs man.

  16. Agreed.
    Even thought they are at IU and not Alabama these guys were still the best players around in high school and, in many cases, were coddled and pampered. That’s not good for any teenager. You reach a point in life where you have to handle that kind of thing. For some of us it was from a drill instructor, or the like. For these guys it’s CKW and his staff.

  17. I applaud the bold motivation by Coach Wilson when assessing his team and players during Q&A. Good players meet challenges laid down to them. I suspect the same will be true with Chapman as it has been with TR, SH, TB, CL, some Frosh and what sounds like nearly all the JUCOS. I still think we will soon here about the DT’s picking it up a notch or 2. Unlike deal and gig he has not used the words feet stink in a sentence when talking about a player. I’ll take hardnosed and candid anytime over the soft alternatives.

  18. Tsao, Chet, & HC; I don’t disagree with most of what you guys said. I am a staunch supporter of KW. I don’t take exception with what KW said, but with how he said it, and the people (the press) that he said it to. My point is, making comments to the press that denigrate a player is NEVER a good idea. It is NEVER a good motivational tactic. I don’t care if the man is 21 or 51, it’s a bad management technique and is generally not a behavior associated with good leaders. And what does a person’s physical size have to do with anything? It’s the man’s emotional and psychological fortitude that matters, not his physical stature.

    As far as I’m concerned, KW can get in the faces of all his players, he can be as direct and as brutal in his verbal comments as he wants to be, he can scream at them and tell them they suck as much as he wants, and he can and should be very demanding. But he should never denigrate his players, or any other subordinates, to the press. It’s a communication tactic that offers far more potential for risk (damage) than for reward (benefit). It diminishes trust, and good leaders should do everything possible to maximize the trust their subordinates have of them. Unless KW wants Chapman to quit the team, he should not have volunteered that opinion to members of the press. Who knows, maybe that’s exactly what KW wants to happen, but given how thin his O-line is this year, that would not appear to be real smart.

    And to Lou4IU’s point, if KW wanted to pump Spriggs up in the press, he could have easily done that without comparing his ability to Chapman. All he had to do was to emphasize the positives of Spriggs without making any comparisons to Chapman.

    Here’s another reason why it’s a bad motivational/communication technique. When you make something negative about a player/subordinate public, all sorts of other people approach the player/subordinate. It magnifies the impact and can distract the player/subordinate. Besides that, it opens the door for the player/subordinate’s friends and family to defend the player/subordinate and offer support, which can then serve to dilute the point the coach/boss was trying to make to his player/subordinate. Instead of internalizing and focusing on the need to improve, it tempts for a player/subordinate to develop that, “well screw you coach” attitude and develop defiance. Good leaders and good managers should always try to protect the dignity of their players/subordinate, even when they are delivering their harshest criticism or punishment!

    It’s not the end of the world, and I’m sure Chapman will, one way or the other, survive this criticism from Wilson. Maybe he will use it to get better. Maybe he will quit the team. Who knows? But there are far more effective ways for Wilson to criticize his players than to do so in the press. He should be smarter than that.

  19. One last point on this subject. Wilson needs to be mindful that IU football is not Oklahoma football. Maybe Stoops could get away with using the press to criticize his players, but Oklahoma football and IU football are the opposite ends of the competitive spectrum. OK football has a completely different culture as compared to IU football. While I applaud Wilson’s desire to raise IU football off the floor and change the culture, I hope he is mindful that it’s going to take a lot of time. In the interim, he’s not going to be able to get away with the same coaching tactics that Stoops may use on a regular basis.

    Oklahoma football is turning away players every year that IU would kill to have on the roster. Stoops has won a National Championship at Oklahoma and has the bona fides to attract the most talented, intense, tough minded, and committed football players in the country. I venture to guess that Stoops’ players are, by and large, far more willing to tolerate criticism from their coaching staff, because they all believe they are in pursuit of an NFL contract. Stoops has all the latitude he needs to motivate his players any way he sees fit (within the law and NCAA rules). If Stoops runs a few of the weaker minded players off his team in the process, no big deal, because Stoops knows he has the depth to fill the gaps and that he will reload with the next’s year’s recruiting class, which will be as good, if not better than the players he runs off. In other words, Stoops can take risks at Oklahoma that Wilson can not afford to take until he has established himself as a successful head coach. The Hoosier Nation gave Wilson the first year to clean house and run off the weak-minded players, but from here on out, we’ll expect improvement.

  20. I should interject two bits of information here. No.1, in the case of Chapman and Spriggs, it was pretty clear that he was complimenting Spriggs as opposed to denigrating Chapman. He actually said last week that Spriggs was better than any freshman lineman he’d had other than two guys who were first round picks at Oklahoma. No. 2, Wilson has stated — very publicly and repeatedly — that part of the reason he doesn’t have an issue with popping off about players in the media is “kids don’t read the paper.” So by his own explanation, he isn’t using the media, he’s just telling the truth. But in at least most if not all cases, he usually has made his criticisms to players first. He’s been hard on Stephen Houston in pressers lately, but I can also tell you first hand that he’s let him have it in practice,too.

  21. Dustin, thanks for that input. I have no doubt Wilson feels comfortable delivering criticism directly to his players and does so frequently. As to Wilson’s comment about his players not reading the newspaper, well I’ll just say that comment was suspect, at best. And to me, it demonstrates that Wilson is aware that it’s not the best way to communicate his criticism. Some of the players’ families and friends read the newspapers! And that’s the point, because invariably they will bring the negative comments to the attention of the player.

    Dustin, do you think that sometimes Wilson’s brain is moving so fast that he can’t slow down enough to consider the impact of what comes out of his mouth? Or is he the type of guy that is very deliberate and says everything for a purpose?

  22. I have no doubt success from this motivation will again be apparent once Chapman retakes the field.

  23. Podunker,
    Sometimes he’s both. I mean, you see the videos. He talks, really, really fast and he thinks really really fast, and sometimes the speeds don’t match up and he utters words/phrases that are utterly unintelligible. I think he’s an extremely intelligent man, and I don’t use the word extremely lightly. He’s really, really sharp. But sometimes he does just go and doesn’t consider potential consequences of what he’s saying. But in the same case, he’s so direct with everybody on that team that he knows they know he’s not going behind their backs. So he’s all of the above here.

  24. HC, I hope you’re right. IU will need a healthy O-line if it’s have any success. And as good as he may be, Spriggs is about 35 pounds too light and has played zero Big Ten games.

  25. Coach Wilson has set the tone for the future. Spriggs may be 30+ lb. lighter than Chapman but I doubt he is 35 lb. to light to play LT. Quick feet and length mean every bit as much as weight playing there. Besides CC is still on the team and when he resumes playing he will be in the mix to start. Wilson and Frey have proved to me they know what they’re doing.

  26. HC, you’re right, of course. Weight alone does not qualify or disqualify a left tackle. And quick feet and long arms are really important. But Spriggs will probably be the only true freshman that starts a game at left tackle for a Big Ten this year.

    It’s just unfortunate for IU’s offense that it must now rely on a true freshman that is a bit underweight to play one of the most important positions on offense. As Wilson stated, they’re going to need to give him some help on the left side, with tight ends and running backs, and by modifying their plays. At least he’s getting lots of practice time before the first game.

    I hope Chapman can come back soon and be healthy and ready to play. I know from experience that concussions can be problematic. Hope that’s his last one, ever.

  27. …you bet I agree…experience is the biggest +…having Chapman practicing a full 2 weeks after returning will make the situation much better…

  28. Podunker, forgive me but you are a consistent contradiction. The worse part of this is…I like you but you’ve got to have yor arguments catch up with your writing speed. Re:Chapman, re:Spriggs
    ————
    -‘Podunker’ Post #18-And what does a person’s physical size have to do with anything? It’s the man’s emotional and psychological fortitude that matters, not his physical stature.
    -‘Podunker’ Post#24- And as good as he may be, Spriggs is about 35 pounds too light and has played zero Big Ten games.
    ——————-
    -‘Podunker’ Post #18- I am a staunch supporter of KW. I don’t take exception with what KW said,…
    -‘Podunker’ Post#18- (in fact, the very same paragraph)… but with how he said it, and the people (the press) that he said it to. My point is, making comments to the press that denigrate a player is NEVER a good idea. It is NEVER a good motivational tactic. I don’t care if the man is 21 or 51, it’s a bad management technique and is generally not a behavior associated with good leaders. (caps are by Podunker)
    (Note: Coment by TTG- I am reassured by your staunch, uncompromising support of KW, especially in the press).
    —————————–
    -Summary of (several/many)Podunker football posts covering 2011-2012- Postdunker (truly as a loyal and loving, strong Hoosier supporter would like to see a winning, major football program well represented in the Big Ten and (eventually) nationally. (Summary offered up with respect by TTG)
    -Podunker #19-Wilson needs to be mindful that IU football is not Oklahoma football… but Oklahoma football and IU football are the opposite ends of the competitive spectrum. OK football has a completely different culture as compared to IU football. While I applaud Wilson’s desire to raise IU football off the floor and change the culture, I hope he is mindful that it’s going to take a lot of time. In the interim, he’s not going to be able to get away with the same coaching tactics that Stoops may use on a regular basis. Oklahoma football is turning away players every year ……and has the bona fides to… talented, intense, tough minded, and committed football players… If Stoops runs a few of the weaker minded players off his team in the process, no big deal,…Stoops can take risks at Oklahoma that Wilson can not afford to…
    (Note-Comment by TTG- Oh boy!)
    ——————————–
    -‘Podunker’ Post #18- I am a staunch supporter of KW.
    _’Podunker- Post #19- The Hoosier Nation gave Wilson the first year to clean house and run off the weak-minded players, but from here on out, we’ll expect improvement.
    ————————————-
    -‘Podunker- Post #26- Weight alone does not qualify or disqualify a left tackle. And quick feet and long arms are really important.
    -‘Podunker’ Post #26 (note: next paragraph)-It’s just unfortunate for IU’s offense that it must now rely on a true freshman that is a bit underweight to play one of the most important positions on offense.
    ———————————-
    Note: DD- Your post #20 is absolutely as you now so correctly re-state. “He actually said last week that Spriggs was better than any freshman lineman he’d had other than two guys who were first round picks at Oklahoma”. Wilson’s position on evaluating the players publicly has been nothing but consistent.

  29. Podunker— I do make one correction…I should not have said ‘the worse part of this is I like you’. I should have said, ‘the best part of this is …I like you’.

  30. Tsao,

    Podunker’s first comment that physical size has nothing to do with handling criticism is clearly correct. You are being intentionally obtuse with that being a contradiction.

    Speaking of contradictions, your post #10 advises everyone on the board to sit quietly and allow KW to take the team where he will. Yet, when it comes to Tom Crean and “driving” his basketball team, you cannot stop making comments and advising Crean on what you think he should be doing, whether you have all the facts or not (which you clearly do not). So, how about you take your own advice, sit quietly, and let Crean take his team where he will?

  31. Chet, the season has not started and the criticism is already over the top. I do believe that it is part of that culture of ‘we’re doomed to failure’ that has us where we are. At some point we have to become big boys and give someone the room to do what they were hired for.

    In this specific case, it bothers me that for a year I’ve been reading posts that say “we need size”, Chapman starts, he’s hurt (concussion- those are big issues, a player replaces him, KW says without a (base) number of practices he (the injured) won’t play (the first game- BTW, he’s not yet cleared to practice)then an article from DD making it very clear we are talking about a very capable sub (at the very list), then P. that “size shouldn’t matter…it is the heart and determination (my synthesis), quickness and arm length, then the sub is 35 lbs too light.

    Give me a break! We hired KW because he is a professional, because he has the history, because he has done this for (at the very least) more than 10 years, at the highest level possible. Yet everyone here who shared in the failure of IU football wants to tell him how and whom to play. It bothers me because this is exactly how we’ll stay in the hole we are in. Any comment on (specifically) this, Chet.

    Add the post that states (by Podunker) by saying Inndiana can not possibly be spoken or thought about on the same sentence with an Oklahoma. Then what the hell are we all wasting our time for? I choose to believe. I choose to think it is inside of us to bring Indiana football to the same dimension as Indiana basketball…someday…but it wont happen if we allow those that revere the tone of losers dominate. Anything specific about this point Chet?

    Podunker prefaces his discourse with his support for KW. Then goes on to state he is a complete idiot when it comes to presenting a true but critical view of his players. (I don’t blame Chapman; I blame those who speak as if they want to kiss him on the forehead and say ‘boo-boo good’). God’s sake, these are men. Treat them as such, with a standard that honors them not demeans them. And that is what KW is doing…setting standards where HE views Chapman’s possibilities. And Podunker not only goes ‘nanny’, Podunker says “but we are not a team like Oklahoma. Anything on this Chet?

    Heard someone, a battalion commander in the 82nd Airborne address a public ceremony with his men there. They had ben through four deployments in Iraq and were going to Afghanistan (Kandahar, as it turn out) and in his speech he said something that was true and can not be evaded. Sad, but some of those men…friends…would not come back.
    What? Don’t tell them that? Chet, you’ve been there…you know that.

    I love Podunker…have from the first time I read his posts…he loves Indiana…is passionate about football…but he has to lose the ‘loser’ part of Hoosier football that makes IU football an environment of losing.
    So Chet, comments on this point?

    What anb d why should I not have said what I said? I used none of my words (other than very short impressions). Every word used was written by Podunker. And, they were completely contradictory. I merely pointed this out. Chet…specifically, tell me what is it that is wrong or inappropriate about my taking objection to the ‘gloom statements’, the audacity of telling a professional how to do his job (I’d be embarrassed to do it, consider it arrogant). Specific comments for me Chet. I’m a big boy…Critique away.

    It is a tough life and when the plane is going down because the nose was being angled in the wrong position is no time to be elegant and considerate. You let the professional you hired to fly do his job.

    You’re going to say I’m irritated. Damned straight I’m irritated…how in the hell are we going to win with 35,000 coaching experts in the stands. My message: Let the man do his job!

  32. Tsao, it took me a long time to figure it out…but you are KW’s grandfather and that is why you defend him to the death. TGIF everyone! GO HOOSIERS!!!

  33. Psych…the only comments I ever addressed about Crean weer on the subject of recruiting children and on the subject of overextending (promising more scholarships than the number available, practices I question on ethical grounds. Read through my more than two years worth of posts, you’ll never find one post regarding our defensive approach, defensive set up, defensive scheme, preference of man to man or various zones, etc; nor, find my posts on offense, motion offense vs. set plays, ball movement, wisdom of dribbling, dribbling only to change angles, picking and screening, blocking out, rebounding conditioning and practices…nothing that tells Crean how he should coach. Crean is the professional who is paid to run the program and I am not. I make the assumption that as a professional in the coaching of basketball he knows what he is doing and, so far, he has shown excellent handling of the program. Nothing for me to say. Still, I do have concerns (and I voice them) in regards to some issue that I consider beyond the scope of the court.

    I give myself the power to comment in those areas where I do have a right to an opinion; i.e. the integrity of the program and its practices as they will reflect on Indiana athletics, me as an IU alum and a fan. And, those who disagree with me can always simply choose to ignore my thoughts. That would be the more intelligent response.

  34. Tsao, I’m flattered that you spent so much time and effort analyzing my every word in this string of posts. I simply don’t have time to respond to all your arguments correct your errors. But I am, once again, concerned that when you disagree with someone, or begin to lose the debate, your tendency is to embellish people’s comments, take comments out of context, interpret things in the worst possible way, or simply resort to hyperbole. In this case, you flat out made stuff up! A classic example of you doing this is when you wrote, in post #33, “Podunker prefaces his discourse with his support for KW. Then goes on to state he is a complete idiot when it comes to presenting a true but critical view of his players.” That is a huge exaggeration, factually incorrect, and just flat wrong. You just made that up out of whole cloth. I have never written, implied or even given the slightest hint that I believe Wilson is a “complete idiot.” The vast majority of my comments about Wilson have been quite to the contrary, and you know it. Anyone that reads my posts about IU football knows it, so you do yourself a disservice when you try to put words in my mouth.

    I’m sure you would agree that you can like a person, appreciate that person, admire the work they’re doing, and support what they’re trying to achieve, and yet disagree with one aspect of their behavior. Actually, I believe that’s quite normal. I’ve yet to meet a person that I agreed with 100% of the time, covering all aspects of their behavior. I love my daughter, but I complain when she snaps her chewing cum because it does not compliment her image as a beautiful, intelligent and educated young women. That’s how I would characterize my regard for Kevin Wilson. I support and admire him, bit I object, as a matter of principle, to those few occasions when Wilson has used the press to communicate his criticism with one of his players. That is not contradiction. I can like the man, respect the man, admire his intelligence and work ethic and still disagree with what I see as a bad habit, or at the least, behavior that is contrary to his stated objectives.

    I don’t drink cool-aid for anyone or anything, and if you stop and think about it, my constructive criticism of Wilson on this one, relatively minor matter, is proof that while I support him, I can also remain objective.

    Please, in the future, do us both a favor. Don’t put words in my mouth, try to embellish or misrepresent my statements. I respect and welcome anyone that wants to disagree with or debate my statements/opinions. But using hyperbole, exaggeration or embellishing my statements is beneath your intelligence and maturity.

  35. Clarion, thanks I am well. I see one constant in this here blog and I am glad to sit on the sideline for the time being. Hope you are well Clarion!

  36. Tsao, one more post on your comments in this string. You wrote, “I love Podunker…have from the first time I read his posts…he loves Indiana…is passionate about football…but he has to lose the ‘loser’ part of Hoosier football that makes IU football an environment of losing.”

    You got half that statement right. But for the other half, never before have I witnessed someone interpret something so completely wrong. I am the last person in the Hoosier Nation that you needs to “lose the ‘loser’ part of Hoosier football that makes IU football an environment of losing.” I have no idea how you came up with that comment based on anything I’ve ever written. Your interpretation of my life-long attitude is 180 degrees off target.

    My statements on this string were limited to one subject. I criticized Wilson for what I believe is a bad habit, or a breach of self discipline, for a person in a position of leadership. And I believe that what he said about Chapman to the media was counter-productive to Wilson’s stated objectives (building a winning football program). If you have ever studied Management or Leadership theory, my comments should not be a revelation. I referred to Oklahoma and Stoops because, while Wilson or Stoops may have been able to get away with that communication/motivational tactic while coaching at Oklahoma (for the reasons I stated), it is likely to be counter-productive within Indiana’s current football culture (emphasis on the word current). Simply put, Wilson needs more time, and more years of recruiting the type of players he wants, before he can afford to risk demotivating a player that, while recruited and coached by the former staff, is still very important to IU’s immediate improvement. And trust me, Wilson needs IU to show significant improvement in 2012. Until Wilson has narrowed the huge gap between Indian football and Oklahoma football, and has built Indiana football into a winning culture, Wilson needs all hands on deck and pulling in the same direction.

  37. To summarize, in less than a thousand words (or, half as long as the average TTG non-sensical rambling which has absolutely ruined what was once a decent blog):

    TTG is allowed to criticize Crean when he sees issues “beyond the scope of the court” (post #35)

    Podunker is not allowed to criticize KW for an issue beyond the scope of the football field, in this case, a quote to the media.

    There you have it.

  38. Thx Podunker. Sorry I came on strong the other day about the scheduling situation. Was merely trying to say that Lynch, regardless of him being coach when these contracts were signed, had zero say in the big picture. Any coach who would agree to a give away a conference home game had nothing to do with adding Navy, Mizzou, Wake, etc.

  39. And now we wait for TTG to provide an updated synopsis and criticism of each and every post on this story (similar to his Ted Kaczynski-esque manifesto in #29).

  40. ^ His real name is “Tsk, Tsk, Tsk, Gonzalez…?!” since he’s often wrong, never terse and quite frequently lost.

  41. I’ve had my disagreements with Tsao, but I would be disappointed in myself to not defend and acknowledge the immense knowledge of the man.

    Tsao has brought a level and breadth of discourse to Scoop that is pretty rare to find on your average sports blog. I’ve thoroughly enjoyed his passion for sharing his many personal stories that have woven his tales of a wonderfully interesting life into his love for Indiana. Mostly, I respect his pride retained in our country when so many have abandoned the honoring of those that have sacrificed in their refusal to take her freedoms for granted. I’ve thoroughly enjoyed Tsao’s presence here.

    We all have are flaws. I tend to believe much of any mean-spirited exaggeration serves only as a powerful magnifying glass substituted for the envious eyes searching in the vast disappointment their own mirrors.

  42. I’m the first one to say ‘let’s stay out of the coaches’ way’ but I just thought that was unnecessary. Especially between TTG and Po. You can barely fit a sheet of paper between their opinions on almost everything (as opposed to me, where my views of the Big Picture differ from almost everybody).

    It just wasn’t necessary.

    I think you guys are getting bored.

  43. We all have are flaws. I tend to believe much of any mean-spirited exaggeration serves only as a powerful magnifying glass substituted for the envious eyes searching in the vast disappointment their own mirrors.

    These are powerful words no matter how you write them.

    For example:

    We flaws are all have. I tend to believe mean-spirited mirrors for the eyes own their searching as in a powerful magnifying exaggeration of substituted disappointment — only vast any envious glass serves much.

    I rest my case.

  44. I’ll be darned if post #40 isn’t the funniest thing I’ve ever seen on the Scoop, other than “Lord of the Scholly Crunch” or whatever it was. Actually, “The Entertainer” is probably the bestest ever.

    How are y’all? Things just don’t change around these parts, do they.

  45. No, here in Canada we think that the Church Lady is by far the most brilliant of them all.

  46. Harvard, really grateful for your thought. Friendships are forever.

    Chet…whether he believes it or not, I do have a great deal of respect for Podunker. We do differ on the one issue, I would not presume to tell Wilson how he should behave or deal with the media. I felt the criticism of Wilson on the Chapman issue was way off target and quite unfair. I’ll stand on my comment and he (Podunker) can stand on his. Good friendships have(and should have) moments like these. Harvard’s comments (even though he and I have also had some strong disagreements at times) speak of the strength of the bond gained when noble friends speak to each other frankly. That’s what I would hope a team would be like when it is tested.

  47. Nope. I must disagree. The funniest thing I’ve ever seen on Scoop was from ’bout six months ago. It was on that there same thread that Steve in Ottawa had his comin’ out party.

    Hoosier Faninky:

    Just a quick piece of friendly advice. I would love to see you add some sort of spacing and capitalization to your name. As it stands, when you take the “no caps, no spaces” route, your name seems like it should be pronounced “hoosier fuh-NIN-kie” rather than “Hoosier Fan in Kentucky” which is what I think you want to be called.

    Hoosier fuhninkie, Sounds like a real country grandmother if you ask me.

  48. Geez, it’s not like I was trying to masquerade as someone else. Not like there can’t be two Steve’s in Ottawa. Not like one of them being from Ottawa can’t travel somewhere else and identify himself as “from Ottawa”. BTW I never liked Steve in Otawa. If you say it fast it sounds like “Stevie Oughta … Whaaaaa[t]?” which is like the pineapple of narcissism so I will illiterate him now from my memory.

  49. Don’t agree with that last part. I don’t know how you get “Stevie” out of that. It’s not as if the “in” disappears into thin air, just because you say it fast.

    I f anything, it sounds like “Stephen Oughta…”, which sounds parental. “Stephen oughta water the plants. Stephen Otta watch his weight. Stephen Otta walk the dog” etc etc

  50. Top Anagram for Steve in Ottawa:

    A Attentive Sow

    Ottawanna try to think of any more.

  51. Can you believe that Smoky Hut and Hokum Sty are anagram of the same “brand”? Also, if you mix up the letters in “Enraged Cow Test” you get “Crean Tweets God”. ?! :mrgreen:

  52. How in the _____ do you come up with this stuff? I think you are boarderline, but not sure which way.

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