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2: Consecutive Sweet 16 appearances for Indiana, which made the Sweet 16 just once (2002) from 1995-2011..

9: Christian Watford’s place on the IU all-time scoring list with 1,717 points. During Sunday’s game, he moved past Eric Anderson and is just 23 points behind Kent Benson for eighth.

58: Points scored by IU against Temple, the third time in the last six games the Hoosiers have been held under 60 points and the fourth time this season. It is their first win in such games and are now 4-3 when scoring 69 points or less.

COLLIN HARTMAN, 6-6, F, Indianapolis (Cathedral), 2013: Capped his high school career with eight points, four rebounds and two blocks in a 57-53 loss to Carmel in the Class 4A state championship game. All his points came in the second half and he finished 3-of-13 from the field.

Ron Patterson once thought he would be taking the floor with Indiana, instead he’ll be rooting against the Hoosiers on Thursday night against Syracuse.

The former Indiana signee, who failed to meet enrollment requirements during summer school at IU last summer, signed with the Orange last November. There’s no question who he will be rooting for.

“I’ll be cheering for Syracuse,” Patterson told the Syracuse Post-Standard Monday. “Absolutely. I don’t like Indiana.”

Patterson didn’t hold back on his feelings about being cut loose from Indiana either, especially with the Hoosiers one over the scholarship limit at the time.

“I feel like they made a bad decision,” he told the Post-Standard. “I didn’t like it. It was an excuse. They needed to get rid of someone.”

Indiana and Syracuse are synonymous with the 1987 NCAA title game and Keith Smart‘s winning shot, but the two schools have not met often since.

This will be the first meeting in the NCAA Tournament since that game 26 years ago and first overall since 1998. The Orange are 3-0 against the Hoosiers since 1987 and 3-1 all-time. This will be the fifth meeting between the two, and all of them have been on a neutral court. The three Syracuse wins came in New York in 1988, and in Maui in 1990 and 1998.

“The problem with Indiana, for us, is they shoot it so well from the 3-point line,” Syracuse coach Jim Boeheim told Mike and Mike in the Morning on ESPN Radio Tuesday. “They have four guys that shoot 40 percent, and I don’t know if any team does that in the country, has that many guys that can shoot that from 3. And (Cody) Zeller is the best inside player, probably in the country, offensively.

“Indiana is difficult, they’re a difficult team to play. We can’t stop them, we have to defend them as well as we can. But, for us to win we are going to have to play well on the offensive end of the court.”


  1. Read that patterson story, funny how he blames everyone but himself. I thought he left out one little point though, didn’t he get caught cheating as well?

  2. “I’ll be cheering for Syracuse,” Patterson told the Syracuse Post-Standard Monday. “Absolutely. I don’t like Indiana.”

    Patterson didn’t hold back on his feelings about being cut loose from Indiana either, especially with the Hoosiers one over the scholarship limit at the time.

    “I feel like they made a bad decision,” he told the Post-Standard. “I didn’t like it. It was an excuse. They needed to get rid of someone.

    Wow…Maybe my comments a few months ago weren’t so off-base.

  3. Jeremy and Dustin-

    Is there any evidence Patterson attempted to cheat his way into IU? If untrue, that seems like a very harsh rumor to put onto a public forum. I’ve never seen anything suggesting he was sent on his way because he cheated. I thought it was just a claim he didn’t fulfill the necessary academic standards.

    Are we now saying he tried to pull a D-Rose? Hard for me to equate his bitterness to being caught cheating. It sounds like he felt academic exceptions are often granted, but the scholarship bind made him into the poster child for the “classroom loafer” that couldn’t cut the mustard.

  4. Hate to hear that from Ron. Hope he is crazy good next year.

    I would hate to think he is right and the scholarship issue lead to the grades issue. Surely someone at IU would have had the stones to address this issue.

    And maybe they did. We don’t know.

  5. Beginning to wonder if we’re the Establishment…Malik Story, Nick Williams, Bobby Capobianco, Matt Roth, Ron Patterson…Who will it be next year?

    Adios Remy. Maybe that’s why he’s been so tight this year…Just hasn’t looked himself. Maybe he senses it’s coming.

  6. H4H asks a legitimate question whether there is any evidence to support the suggestion that Buss cheated. First I have heard that. Even worse, it is phrased as a question. Cast aspersions under the guise of a question. Bad form.

    In the height of irony, however, H4H then makes his own unsupported allegation that Remy is being forced out. Pathetic.

  7. ^ You are pathetic. He hit the nail on its head. That’s why you’re running around like a cockroach, he’s shedding light on the likes of you.

    Bawa. Where is Bawa? The Scholly Crunch is a difficult balancing act. Crean has a lot more to learn about that.

  8. Often I see Harvard jump to conclusions. For one thing IU cannot comment in any official matter regarding personal and confidential issues related to Patterson or his enrollment. An eighteen year old or nineteen year old young man will react emotionally being rejected, get used to it, it is a big world where at the level he is at one must have all the ducks in a row. If IU had an excuse it was probably nothing is guaranteed and he would have to be academically eligible and even more academically a good student to represent IU. In that he will not have one iota of difference in this game his feelings are a so what.

    As for the game. IU better do many things better than they did. They are not playing with the level of confidence they had in Jan and early Feb. They have to play with a purpose (scheme) that breaks down Syracuse on offense and maintain the defensive boards. They are better than Syracuse but that does not mean anything, they must execute.

  9. I believe the numbers have been posted on the Scoop before that Indiana’s player retention rate is pretty much the same as the national average.

    That doesn’t mean that there can’t be any individual stories out there but putting up a bunch of names when everyone else has above the same retention rate doesn’t mean anything, either.

    I’m pretty confident if anyone posting here actually had some facts to back up these insinuations (against IU or against Patterson) they couldn’t post them fast enough. As far as I’m concerned, if all you have is an ugly assumption with nothing to back it up, maybe that’s one you should keep under your hat. If you do have something to back it up, let’s hear it.

  10. I’m a little confused on why you guys are spending time wondering if he cheated or not. If he didn’t qualify academically, then he doesn’t deserve to be in. It’s really that simple. Should we have put ourselves in that position? That’s a good question. But the Patterson talk is a non-issue to me. Especially when we have some kids graduating in 3 years and others pursuing Master’s levels in year 4.

  11. Yeah, I agree: Patterson is too stupid. Roth too smart.

    Only Crean is the right intellect, chasing Michigan coaches after the game. Let’s keep him.

  12. Nick Williams and Malik Story were “forced out”??? Since when? All I remember when Williams decided to transfer was groaning by fans about how he would be missed and how could Crean let him go? Crean also seemed genuinely blindsided by it at the time. Wasn’t he our 1st or 2nd leading scorer at the time? In no way do I remember that he was allegedly forced out. No one was even suggesting that was the case. I’m a little cloudier on Story, but didn’t he figure to be a big part of the rotation the following year?

  13. I realize it’s a cruel world and there are no givens when it comes to scholarships and academic minimum requirements(unless you’re a kid of a parent that donates massive funds to the university). That being said, I think there is a balance and an interpretation of how much your coach can be trusted. Inconsistencies can build apprehension. If this kid was drifting so far below the standards, why on earth would you drag him out until the final summer, just weeks, before he’s ready to put on the uniform?
    There was no opportunity to take a chance on Patterson because there were no spots left on the roster. With such a borderline miss of the minimum standards and a school/athletic department seemingly unwilling to take a risk after recruiting you for two years..? I can understand some bitterness. This wasn’t a disruption to a kid’s hopes a year before he gets to IU..This was telling him you’re barely shy and we don’t care. And if it’s a character issue, then an astute coach would have recognize that issue from day 1. The kid has a tremendous work ethic on the basketball court. I can’t see how someone couldn’t help translate that same vigorous spirit into his books(given some leeway and fair chance to catch up to the curve he was probably behind due to high school curriculum that also had to be already known).

    And if he would have academically qualified late in the summer, who is removed from the team? Where does he fit if he doesn’t get the one C- in one of the two classes? What’s the next excuse for the next recruit to get the boot? Maurice?

    Reportedly, Patterson received a C and a C- on two summer school classes. He fell .015 below the minimum by averaging a 1.85 instead of a 2.0 for the pair of summer faculty program courses..Doesn’t it all seem a bit fishy? One grade barely slips below the minimum 2.0? He would “cheat”(as suggested by ‘bb’ in post #1)just a bit shy of getting a clearance from the mysterious “faculty sponsor program?” Hell, if you’re going to cheat, why not cheat yourself a grade that doesn’t balance on the thread of acceptance and nonacceptance? Sounds like a fixed jury.

    And then Patterson’s dream of being a Hoosier turned into a nightmare. Although he had qualified under the NCAA’s admission standards, Patterson had failed to meet Indiana’s enrollment requirements. He enrolled in a summer faculty sponsorship program at Indiana, taking two classes.

    “He got a C and a C-minus in his summer school classes,’’ Chris Hawkins, Patterson’s AAU coach, said. “That fell below the mandatory 2.0 that you have to have for this
    faculty sponsor program.’’

  14. If the US had a nickel for every time a kid said, “I failed/got a bad grade/got in trouble/etc because the teacher doesn’t like me/has it out for me…” There would be no debt.

    I’m not privy to all the information, nor is anyone else. But growing up around 4 parents that were/are educators in the elementary and college ranks, plus all their friends, and then going on to become a teacher and coach for a number of years I can say there was never an educator I knew that ever once held a grudge against a kid, or did anything that wasn’t in the kids best interests, based on their ability to work, follow the rules, and get along with others. Is it possible that Ron was forced out in some scheme? I guess it’s possible, but I’ve never met an IU professor who’s character was questionable or handled things unethically. Again, I’m sure they exist, but my guess is those folks aren’t asked to be on the Faculty Advisory Committee. Just a guess.

    By the way a BIG CONGRATS to my step-mother who today was named Elementary School Art Educator of the Year for the State of Maine!

  15. How many hundreds of entries I read on these very blogs that stated Sampson had to know the “character issues” of many the guys he was bringing in.

    And now I’m told that Crean couldn’t identify “character issues” with Patterson until four weeks prior to when he’s ready to attend his first practice in a Hoosier uniform? Malarkey.

    And I’m simply asking a question to where you find the spots on a roster if he academically qualifies? My post about Remy being cut is speculative and unfair to Remy. But what on earth does it do to a kid’s name when you claim he has very little character and he’s suddenly found not very bright. Don’t recruit the kid unless you’re willing to go to bat for him. It had to be known there were possibilities he could struggle academically. If the standards at IU are vitally important to be drawn like an unwavering line in the sand, then don’t drag a kid out until the eve his belief in you that you will not embarrass him or break a trust. There are no guarantees with any of these kids. Grades can slip once they’re in uniform. College is a land of many temptations and there is no coach immune from problems(character or academic)that can/will extend far beyond the borderlines of reason Patterson had the door shut in his face.

    Over-recruit and let the chips fall where they may..Send him off and take the blame for your numbers not adding up instead of his intelligence not measuring up.

    And if those of you want to cling to the “character” excuse…? That’s not saying much for the coach. You’re basically saying he didn’t do his homework..or he did know there was character issues, but was willing to take the gamble on his attitude problems if Cody or Watford would have opted out another year due to NBA aspirations. You don’t play with kid’s emotions that way. You don’t run an organization that way. You don’t build trust as a coach that way. Cut the ties early if you’re not willing to fall on the sword.

    There is a trend, folks; a trend where kids are left hanging until the very last moment a decision. Roth and Patterson deserved forthright honesty and communication..They deserved loyalty and trustworthiness anchored in timely decisions..They deserved a sense of appreciation…Offers were made. Letters of committeemen were signed. When hopes are invested in Indiana, we should not take those hopes lightly.

  16. Yikes…Don’t know how “committeemen” got in there.

    Letters of [commitment] were signed…

  17. RP has no more “character issues” than any average teenage student athlete. He simply failed to qualify at the level IU required. Even though of his own doing he is hurt and fighting back. Pretty natural for a teenager who fell short in attaining his dream. He now is saying some disparaging things that in the not to distant future he will no longer say. Once he gets to Cuse it will be over. Being no project he will be a stalwart for the Orange. Go Buss.

  18. Being no project he will be a stalwart for the Orange.

    Those are classy comments, Clarion.

    Weren’t his academics a “project?”

    Strange how we think we can turn a kid with zero basketball fundamentals(difficulty in even a catching a simple two-handed chest pass)into a Division 1 worthy talent in four years, but we can’t turn a borderline student into and slightly better than “average” student in four years.

    One C- instead of the straight C…? That seems to be promising enough to catch a pass(pun intended).

  19. Sorry H4H I must not be with it today. You went about 7′ over my head with that 1, I have no idea what you said. Can you dumb it down, please?

  20. Dumb it down? That’s what we did to Patterson.

    We’ll take a great risk with a basketball project(a flunkie at fundamentals of the game that are built over years of practice), but we’re unwilling to take the smallest academic risk on a kid that missed the cut by .185 a summer faculty sponsorship program?

    Why are the academics perceived as a rigid inability to improve while the basketball skills are perceived as having no limitations? Two scholarships filled with “pie in the sky” hopes that athleticism can translate into a top quality Big 10 talent in four years? But we can’t find enough confidence in our professors, counselors, tutors, coaches, and teammates to supply enough classroom “fundamentals” as to remove a borderline decision from the trappings of labels that defines him as a stagnant “academic project?”

  21. H4H, rules exist for the sake of structure and the structure at Syracuse says he is not an academic project. I do understand your slant, totally. NO one on this blog is/was a bigger proponent of RP than me. He got a fair deal at IU even if does not yet agree.

    Oh by the way I guess I am with it more than I stated, as thought that was your direction. But thanks for the clarification.

  22. I guess because its college… You make some good points and raise some good questions Harvard. But some of those questions have simple answers. 2.0 in a summer school curriculum that is specifically designed to assess your acumen for IU is not to much to ask. You know you have to get a C or better. You must know it, right? A 2.0… If that’s your first priority and you can’t do it then you probably won’t be able to cut it when you’re in-season. And if its not you’re first priority, when you know you’re in a special program that’s going to determine whether or not you can live out your dream, and you don’t meet it… Well then shame on you. You have nothing to complain about.

    It’s college (school) Harvard… If you want to play on the team, you have to make the grades. It’s not the other way around at IU.

    I also don’t think Crean has any hard feelings. He went out of his way to go to the Vonleh game when they played Brewster, and he told me he was there to watch Noah and see Buss… To wish him well. He could have gone to another game, but he went 1000 miles from Bloomington to see that one.

  23. Some of us know the full story with RP. It wasn’t about not making the grades. IU has enough support staff that if you want a passing grade the tutors are there to help.

    If I was RP, I’d keep a low profile this week before people start digging around. He’s at the right school now based on their recent issues and his character.

  24. Where does he go on the roster if he passes the summer program?

    And the last time I checked, a C- is a passing grade..It’s not 19 F’s !!

    By the sound of Aruss’s posts, he was a complete thug. Those issues should have been identified a long time ago. Much like all the bloggers that always claimed Sampson had to know the character of the “gangstas” he was recruiting. Unseemly character issues don’t just pop up the summer before he suits up in candy stripes..

    So which is it…His grades were marginal and could have easily been improved upon with IU’s exceptional support system for athletes…Or, was he just a prima donna thug that thought the rules should be bent for him?

    So Crean was covering his butt with an Indiana thug just in case a couple guys go pro? That makes Sampson look like a saint.

  25. Harvard:

    My experience. At IU I never fell below academic standards and summer school was always easier than fall or spring sessions, that was decadeS ago, but a 1.85 is not cutting it. If so, done.

    Doesn’t mean anything about his character but I will tell you managing classes and a Division 1 sport is tough….that is all there is otherwise either the sport or the classes falter…

    BTW wish we had Roth on the team right now and not someone else, a spot up 3 point artist would be nice to have to extend the 2-3

  26. There aren’t any NCAA guidelines stating whether or not a recruit has to have basketball skills. Pity that. There are guidelines about academics, though.

    So, if this guy gets accepted to IU and crashes and burns academically would you be shouting from the rooftops how great it was that he was granted admission even though the coaching staff already knew he couldn’t cut it?

    While I’m sure it occurs at Kaintuck and other bait and tackle shops this claim that ‘allowances can be made’ because of athletics doesn’t hold water. I’ve seen plenty of scholarship athletes try and fail to maintain eligibility at real schools.

  27. Chet – he didn’t crash & burn academically based on not making a grade. He and IU are in a much better place now. What he tried to pull could have brought a world of hurt back on IU from the NCAA. Let’s just all leave it alone and hope he realizes that continuing to run his mouth can only lead to bad news for him. Syracuse is already on thin ice with the NCAA. He knows the truth and needs to stop trying to save face.

  28. I thought most athletes majored in sports communications or astronomy.

    Doesn’t Indiana have standardized testing(ISTEP and other statewide and national comparative testing) all through the middle school and high school years(albeit not always fair with regard to measuring potential)?

    This young man did not come into Bloomington without us knowing his academic potential. They have the Pre-SAT that high school students can take during their sophomore year.

    Where were the red flags that he was academically not a good fit?

    He was dragged through the process because he was an insurance policy. When it was obvious we didn’t need the insurance policy, the policy was canceled. He was kept out of IU because one out of two summer courses was a C- instead of a C.

    Sorry, Sampson history, or no Sampson history…I think you take the risk. This kid was recruited too long to not go to bat on his behalf. He was singled out of the “Movement” and stigmatized..He was separated from bonds with AAU teammates that all shared in a mission to bring IU back from the ashes..If he was not up for to the task based on test indicators and high school preparation, then he should have never been enticed and offered from the beginning of the process.

    You don’t cut a kid based on a half grade too low in one summer class just weeks before the entire team arrives on campus. It’s a form of heartbreaking beyond the risk.

    I appreciate your respectful response. The issue with Roth was never about how much his stroke would matter. That’s always up for debate. I just have a hard time denying a kid his desired final year of eligibility when he helped carry this program when it was the laughing stock of the conference. A good kid recruited by Sampson that we failed to show true loyalty and appreciation. You make that phone call.

  29. I don’t wish ill for Patterson, I just don’t particularly care. He didn’t make the grade- no conspiracy theory necessary to explain that. He should fit right in at Syracuse. Let’s go IU!

  30. The brother just didn’t meet IU’s rigerus standards. Simple. He moved in, we moved on, end of story. Typical teenager to blast someone but himself.

    There isn’t no conspiracy or “movement” Harvard. That’s lunatic talk. I remember when Williams left, Crean was very sad to see him go. Wasn’t forced out. I thnk both him and Story didn’t understand the extent how low IU was, and the process of rebuilding. These 2 men cou,d have been the face of IU, but bolted on their own, not forced out. Too bad they didn’t stay. Would have licked less wounds for sure.

  31. The question is yet to be answered….

    Where does he go on the roster if he passes the summer program?

  32. I sure find it bizarre that a kid would put out public statements about his contempt for Indiana(along with an AAU coach appearing to back him up)if he’s keeping some huge skeleton in the closet as Aruss seems to suggest. Allegations of something that could bring “a world of hurt” to our program? That sounds like damn serious sh*t. Let your imaginations fly….

    If those comments by Aruss are not completely unfounded, then it appears the kid will never play Division 1 college ball.

  33. Makes me wonder if Crean knew of these ghastly deeds that could bring the “world of hurt” and subsequently concocted a plan to barely have him miss the academic standards.

    So when this “world of hurt” shows up at Jim Boeheim doorstep, we don’t have an ethical obligation of disclosure.

    Aren’t you the lawyer here, Bob? Could Indiana be in a “world of hurt” for keeping something so inflictive to another program under wraps? Wouldn’t there have to be full disclosure of things that reach the level of major devious intent or cheating?

    So Thursday may be Boeheim’s last game ever coached…? It seems this would be the only logical conclusion. But he would still do that to Syracuse? He would walk away while fully knowing the “world of hurt” that was coming? Establishment does this to their own over a 3-star, Rivals 131-ranked, Indiana recruit?

  34. A “world of hurt” from a little ol’ Broad Ripple kid..? And here I always thought it was only the French that were the most devious conspirators.

  35. And did any journalists know of this “world of hurt?” To print these comments from Patterson, try to throw fire and controversy on a big game, while fully knowing this kid has done something so devious that major violations are following his footsteps..? The abandonment of ethics abound if Aruss is good friends with any journalists in town. Let’s hope Dustin and Jeremy were far enough away to not get sucked into the quicksand of the biggest scandal to rock college hoops since a giant phone bill.

  36. Harvard – in #35 you ask the question, didn’t IU know his academic potential when they recruited him… The answer is yes, which is why he was put into that summer academic program. He was an at risk student, so they placed him in a program to give him the chance to prove he could meet a minimum standard. He failed to do so.

    Similarly, basketball scholarships are one year propositions. Not all recruits are given the same spiel… There are plenty of recruits who don’t meet the minimum basketball standards and are asked to transfer. It’s part of the deal.

    I was actually having a conversation with a buddy of mine last night that’s pertinent to this point. He was recruited by one college to play both basketball and baseball. They compete at a high level in both sports at their level, going to the NCAA’s annually, and have alum currently in the MLB. He was told by the baseball coach that he was The Man, and he would come in right away and play…. Meanwhile coach told the same thing to 30 other guys. 20 of them showed up on campus and when they started talking to eachother it became clear that the coach was a BS artist. My buddy decided that instead of trying to fight for a spot on a team that was going to carry a huge roster and he didn’t know where he stood, he decided to concentrate on basketball because that coach was honest with him throughout the process… Told him he’d play a little his Freshman year, but would have to work his butt off to become a good player in their tradition-rich program. He did end up being a 3 year starter and very good player. 14 years later he still thinks that baseball coach was a dipsh1t for recruiting everyone like they were a star instead of being honest.

  37. Harvard, you are way off on this one. I was one of those who argued (along with you), sometimes strongly, against the practice of over-offering beyond the scholarship limits. And, whatever happened, over-offering scholarships leaves us open to comments like Patterson’s suggesting- wrongly and without integrity- that as an athlete, he was the victim of the ‘shadier side’ of recruiting, over-offering as a practice.

    I have not changed my mind on over-offering. But, as I recall and understand it, Patterson qualified to be offered a scholarship but had to meet requirements to meet IU admission standards and enroll for credit classes,… just like every other freshman at IU (whether his parents are wealthy, powerful or not HfH).

    Coach Crean, in fact, arranged for classes that would allow Patterson to meet those standards. Patterson accepted the standard. He enrolled for the summer classes as he knew he would have to do, and knew that his final ‘admission’ as an IU student depended on his passing them. Then, Patterson either: 1/ failed because he a/ did not turn in assignments b/ failed to pass regular class tests c/ failed to carry out and complete class assignments (essays, term papers,…) as required (just like everyone else) d/ was caught in a situation that called into account his academic integrity and honesty.

    I absolutely discard the possibility that he got caught up in the ‘numbers game’ of over-offering. Clearly, Crean went to too much trouble arranging Patterson the opportunity beyond that accorded other IU students; including most student athletes. Patterson’s own parents gave comments to the press following his failure to complete the requirements that suggested they were aware that the responsibility for his failure was young Ron’s and acknowledged that only Ron was responsible for the failure.

    I still object to the practice of over-offering and that is not likely to change. I think that Patterson’s recent comments about Indiana after so much was done to support him, in fact reflect the very issues of integrity and character that may have led to his failure to take advantage of the opportunity IU and coach Crean gave him.

    Situations such as this make one so appreciative of the high character individuals who represent us now and will, hopefully, continue to represent IU. The reality is that, whatever the reason, Ron Patterson did not earn the wearing of the word ‘Hoosiers’ on his shirt.

    His speaking now only confirms what we suspected from our experience with him this summer. Given our behavior, Patterson and those who support him, at the very least, owes us respect.

  38. Tsao, excellent post.

    HforH, your imagination is running away with you. Some of your posts sound like that old question, “so Harvard, when did you stop beating your wife?” You can post all sorts of speculation, but without having been there, seen it first hand, or gotten the facts, you’re just slinging sh!t.

    Common sense tells us that if Ron Patterson was such a great talent, and if Crean were so corrupt, Crean would have found a way to get Patterson on the team, even at the expense of one of the less talented players. But Crean did not do that, which suggests that he did the right thing by Patterson, his team and IU. If Patterson is so talented, his comments make absolutely no sense.

  39. I hadn’t been following the whole Patterson saga all along, so I’ll try not to step out of my lane here. Not sure what other schools may have been pursuing him, but it seems to me if it was just a matter of an elite player barely missing the minimum academic standards, there are other regional powerhouse programs that might have taken a chance. Instead, he went out east to a program with an ever-increasing reputation for turning a blind eye to academic and/or character issues.

    Again, I don’t know much about the guy, so I don’t intend to cast aspersions on him. I do find it curious his choice of programs, though. Maybe somebody can enlighten me.

  40. Then again, I suppose one man’s “turning a blind eye” is another man’s “taking a chance.” It all depends on an individual’s history and the likelihood his history will repeat itself.

  41. In unrelated news, it seems that one of Miami’s bigs, Reggie Johnson, is injured and will not make the trip to D.C. This could be huge should we meet them in the Elite 8. Johnson made some key plays down the stretch against Illinois, and Miami lost to Indiana State earlier in the year without Johnson in the lineup. Miami is deep, but this could very well be a deciding factor on who makes the Final Four.

  42. Explain Aruss’s comments. Explain to me how a kid that barely misses the set GPA standard for the summer program “could have brought a world of hurt back on IU from the NCAA.”

    One kid on our entire roster that slips below what is expected out of a scholarship athlete could bring a world of hurt to our entire program? That comment implies something very major that would have to effect his status at any university.

    Still no one has answered the question. Where does he go on the roster if he passes the summer program?

    How can you say it’s not blatant and reckless over-recruiting when someone else on the roster is going to get the axe only weeks before the practices begin if Ron gets a C instead of a C-? Yes, you’re being so damn honorable and fair in giving Ron every last chance to make the team….And so he does just squeak by and his minimum standard is met. Haven’t you disrupted the life of another kid that will now have to leave the team, change colleges, sit out a year when he is forced to transfer…We really carry these scenarios to this extreme when the roster is already full?

    I can buy all this honor crap if the scholarship slot was left open. It was NOT left open. He passes and someone else(that has already fulfilled our high standards) gets their ass kicked off the team. You honestly are trying to tell me that has all the appearances of professionalism? Sorry, ain’t buying it.

  43. Didn’t Boeheim see Patterson playing at the prep school and then moved aggressively to go after him? Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t remember reading that the relationship was initiated by Patterson.

    Say what you will about the questions hovering around the Syracuse program…I seem to remember Knight always having a very high regard for Boeheim. Syracuse has a strong tradition in basketball..What kid that isn’t even viewed as a top 100 recruit wouldn’t jump on a chance to play for Syracuse? This isn’t a 5-star McDonald’s All-American whose academics are being carefully massaged and glowingly pampered because he’s an “off the charts” phenom. This is a recruit that was a tenacious defender with some offensive potential/upside.

    But would any coach in his right mind take a shot at s kid that’s a huge academic risk when that said recruit will only be, at best, likely a role player/sub coming off the bench in first year or two?

    Maybe Boeheim has been left in the dark concerning the “big hurt”..and the huge skeleton in the closet that Patterson is keeping guarded with deceit. Doesn’t make sense to bring a “world of hurt” from the NCAA over a relatively average level of recruit for a top basketball program.

  44. The over-recruiting of players is unfortunate, but sometimes it’s a necessary evil. And it goes both ways. Just ask UNC, Kentucky, and whoever else is still in the running for this Wiggins kid. They either hold a roster spot open for a guy who may or may not join their program, or they fill up their roster with insurance policies. If they then pick up an elite prospect at the last minute, at that point they have to boot someone off of their scholarship even though promises were already made. I don’t like it, but it’s the nature of the beast.

    Indiana has also regained enough star power to be able to make late runs for some of the blue chip recruits, but it wasn’t that way two years ago. And it’s still a risky endeavor to begin with. In general, you have to try and get to recruits super early these days. That means going after 15- or 16-year-old kids, if not younger, without possibly being able of knowing if character or other issues will arise during their formative high school years. Are we really going to base our opinion of a young man off of who he seems to be in middle school. I was a disrespectful, rebellious little fart during those years. Most people are. But if they’ve shown by then that they have the potential to be stars, you almost have to get to them earlyand roll the dice.

    Maybe Patterson is a case of buyer’s remorse. Maybe after the early recruiting period and ensuing scholarship offer we found out things that we didn’t like. Maybe we just used the academic issue as an out. Maybe not. But to think that most every program doesn’t have to do this sort of roster juggling with recruits and renege on promises made is naive. You have to CYA with recruits, especially high school kids who can be every bit as fickle as the fashion trends they follow. Unfortunately, that means that all too often somebody gets left out in the cold.

  45. Nope. Wouldn’t do it. I wouldn’t dump a kid off my roster with only two weeks before practices begin.

    The roster spot should have been open to Patterson until it was definite he was not an academic fit. Everybody loses when you drag a process out that far.

    It took an entire thread of my highfalutin blow to finally extract an honest admission from Punjab when he proclaimed the possibility of “buyer’s remorse.” Almost sounds like basketball has become something analogous to the purchase of a product.

    There is a lesson…You don’t matter much. We care about our image and your basketball skill. We won’t take risks on you. You are merely a product. You are ranked when you come here in a consumer guide and you will be given to the highest bidder when you leave. You can rich from all of this, but only because your mindless skill can put buts in the stands. They’ll giggle from those seats and whisper how you have it all except the membership card into their world. You’ll never measure up because you threw the chance to learn down the toilet to be an expensive pet to an executive and is hot commodity. Your life will be a series of sellers and buyers…In about 10 years you won’t have that shiny 5-star new car look to your buyers. The glimmer will no longer be in the eyes those that used to drool your every moment on the hardwood. They’ll spin you off for something better and younger. You’ll be left with lots of sweet bling and hoards of leaches that you can’t shed from your skin..They’ll milk you dry of every cent by the time your 40th birthday. Colleges will no longer have open arms because you’ve lost the only thing they wanted from you since the day you spit on the idea of getting something from a classroom. You’ll be king of your throne and master your rich home..Nobody will respect you. You sold away the value all the promise of your mind for the pimp that only cared about what you could do to fill his stadiums. It’s an empty existence, Mr. Patterson. And there’s ringmasters and showman that act like they have your best interest at hand. See how much their interested in having you at their dining table or at their country club when your playing days are over. Do you think they want to mingle and chat with mind still stuck at 18? If you’re lucky, you will merely die a wealthy second class citizen. Most of you will be just be sucked completely dry. You’ll go to your grave wondering how and why you bought into it all. You sold your soul and your chance to grow your mind harmoniously with your gifts at a game. When there comes a day no grandchild even wants to visit you in the state nursing home facility, you’ll have nowhere a lifelong starved mind can take you. You’ll stare at walls and watch ESPN until the final breath, your final end.

    Prove them all wrong, Mr. Ron Patterson. Make something of the potential between your ears. These people that act like they have your well being as their foremost concern? Look at the classes and the curriculum they have put before you..Seriously? We call that a challenge? That represents what we have invested in our city schools? They don’t want to challenge you. They don’t believe in your mind. They don’t want to improve your schools. They love this sh*t. They love picking and choosing. They love the power they have over you. Their minds are home to that power. They only want butts in their seats. You are a product. And you will wear out. There will be remorse. It will be your own.

  46. See how much [they’re] interested in having you at their dining table…

  47. You’re missing a lot Harvard. Which makes me wonder if you went to Harvard.

    Ron knew where he wanted to go to school in August of 2010. He had the opportunity to raise his grades to an acceptable level. But he didn’t. Then he took the summer classes and didn’t get the GPA. He failed on himself. I’m tired of everyone pointing the finger in every direction but at them self. It’s called accountability. Is Crean over-signing? Possibly, and I’ll be mad if he is. But that still doesn’t account for Patterson not doing what was needed to be able to play ball for IU. We better not be bending the rules just because somebody can play a sport.

    As for Roth, it sucked for him. But at the same time, it was time to allow another kid his opportunity to earn a degree and playing time. He had four years already.

  48. Yeah, they’re earning degrees…Degrees that can put them at a sports desk next to Charles Barkley’s chili dog gas.

    I heard Cody Zeller is majoring in Business. He ain’t ready for the NBA. He’ll get plenty of business fed to him.


    Maybe you didn’t notice, but my post #53 was a plea to Patterson and all these young men that grace the pages a Rivals Consumer Guide…At the end of the day, from yourself, you’ll never hide. Don’t put your mind on dusty shelf for the obsessions an elitist that only values you for the largest dollar receipt on a ticket stub payed for your short-lived performances under his big Establishment media tent. It’s never too late. I believe in the power of change even when the cards are stacked against a young man. Fight to change and never lose sight of why those that pick and choose relish the power many like you have relinquished by giving up on their minds and desire to learn.

  49. Would love to continue, but the spelling errors continue to amass and I am sleepy. Maybe exit with a song…?

  50. So…hypothetical question here, Harvard.

    If it turns out that IU did absolutely everything by the letter of the NCAA ‘law’ (which, quite frankly, is what it sounds like) and this all blows up in Syracuse’s face would this be the point where you come on the Scoop, hat in hand, and say, “Wow. Glad we didn’t keep him around. Sure did dodge a bullet on that one.”?

    Or, would bending the rules to admit Ron be worth bring the program back to square one?

  51. Not sure why you are dissing the athletes degrees so much. Brad Bomba was an IU jock before become a doctor. I used to work with Chet “the Jet” Jastremski (did you know he once broke the world record in the 100 meter breaststroke six times over a six week period in 1961, lowering the record by 3.6 seconds?) long after his swimming days when he became a Bloomington physician.

    Most of these guys are gonna be successful professionals in something other than sports. They know it, too.

  52. Chet!…Chet!..Chet!..Chester Chetowski!-

    I need sleep! The Patterson kid is bitter. Maybe he’s bitter because he cheated himself. That’s the greatest travesty and none of us should feel pleased about that simply because our hoops are intact.

    Long live hoops! Long live Crean! Long live Scholly Crunch cereal and the commodities our sweet recruits…Forgive those that find the guillotine for the jello in their noggins to great an embarrassment to the Harvard of Monroe County!

    The season is nearing conclusion..It’s like an impending dark cloud..Another year put to bed. What thy fellow blogging friends shall we spend our Yacht Club days to fill our head? Oh, the thought, no college hoops to watch, I dearly dread. That being said, Tsao shall dive for the fumble this rumble and with Wilson and the follies of Hoosier football we’ll somehow suffice instead.

    Hoosier Scoop forever. Three fingers to the Temple..One middle finger to the Orange. No excuse to lose to the ‘Cuse…Oladipo is going home…home…Home at last..Auntie Em, Where have you been? Toto! Toto! Kids! Kids!
    Zuzu’s petals! Zuzu’s petals! Here come the fuzz!

  53. To Aruss: I was think the same thing as you. RP needs to zip it before his real problems become mainstream. All these hicks in here are acting like he got shafted by the man, and that just isn’t true. I’m sure Sherron Wilkerson told everyone he got a bum deal. How’d that work out for him. Everyone just needs to move on.
    There were rumors a year before the recruits got to IU that one of the Indy kids was having grade issues and would have trouble getting qualified. It was also said that that kid wasn’t Yogi or Hollowell. You guys are pretty smart, connect the dots.

  54. Harvard, you act like Buss was such a victim… He has a full scholarship to one of the premier programs n the country. He will have a chance to plat the sport he loves in front of millions of people. He will have the chance to prove he is a scholar and earn a degree for free. Syracuse has a GREAT broadcast school, so maybe he does end up sitting next to Barkley… That’s not such a bad fate either. Pretty sure it pays better and is more fun than what a lot of minority kids who don’t quite make the grade from Indy will be doing in 10-15 years.

    The kid is not a victim. He’s just a little hurt. He still talks to his boys at IU. He is now an Orangeman. Buss is just fine.

  55. I know you know I’ve never called him a thug… And beyond that I was really looking forward to him as a Hoosier. He was the POY in the most talent-rich pre-college league in the country… I’m sure he’ll have a nice career at Cuse, and I’ll be rooting for him.

  56. Sleep tight, Harvard.

    Buss might be a great kid. I don’t know. Don’t really know anything about him.

    I do know this.

    It only takes one.

    Again, this isn’t meant to disparage him or anyone else, but if you get one kid one the team that has serious issues it can be ‘game over’.

    I’ve mentioned ad nauseaum that the least recruited of my three kids had the best college career. He got no financial aid his first year and set a bunch of records. A fellow freshman was the highest profile recruit they’d ever landed. The kid was a high school legend in NC by the time he graduated hs. He got a full ride.

    He was a mess.

    Despite tons on academic support they couldn’t get him eligible (it’s probably worth noting his Dad was his high school coach and AD). I’d go to tournaments and he was never interacting with his teammates, he’d be in the stands with his girlfriend. My son’s wallet once went missing. He knew where to find it. He stormed into Chris’s room and tore it apart until he found it. His teammates just couldn’t stand the guy. To outsiders, though, the kid was still the King. Only his wrestling ‘family’ knew the deal.

    On top of all that he was getting more financial aid than anyone else on the team. Other recruits were getting passed over and were going elsewhere. The coach ‘stuck by him’.

    By the time it was all over (2 1/2 years) the kid never officially wrestled a match for the university. The athletic department signed the death warrant and dropped the program. In a conversation I had with the AD she said that the experience with the kid ‘played a role’ in her decision. I don’t know if she was being honest as honesty was not her forte.

    The bottom line was that the most high profile recruit the school ever landed, for all intents and purposes, may have helped destroy the program. He had academic (among other) issues but the coach ‘stood by him’ for nearly three years as the program spiraled into non-existence.

    The last I heard he never went back to school and he’s working for a family member.

    Who, exactly, benefited from the coach’s largesse? Was it smart to put the entire program in a position that the poor decisions of a teenager could cause so much damage?

    I don’t see it.

    To my unsophisticated eye, Ron was given an opportunity and he did not meet the minimum standard. It doesn’t matter if he got a C- if the minimum standard was a C. That’s why they call it a minimum standard.

    IU isn’t a community college. Standards are standards. My profession requires certain numbers of this and that to maintain certification. If I only have 19 CEUs in a given year and I’m supposed to have 20 they are not going to ‘make allowances’. I’m done.

    That is how schools get into trouble with the NCAA. That’s why Syracuse is getting the NCAA stink eye.

  57. Underachieving in the classroom does not always correlate into character issues. I am sure Kelvin Sanctions was a good performers in school. How did that work out. I still have yet to hear anything but unsubstantiated rumors related to RP. Go Buss.

  58. I’d rather talk about the upcoming game against Syracuse.

    Chet, Podunker, Geoff, and even HoH… any of you knowledgeable guys recall if Syracuse played that 2-3 zone against IU in ’87?

    My sons at IU are asking if I recall what type of defense IU faced then, thinking is it a staple of Boeheim’s defensive strategy/approach.

    I maybe recall that they used some sort of junk defense late in the game as Alford had scorched them for 7 threes and 23 points. (Although I believe that Darryl Thomas and Keith Smart both scored 20 points apiece as well). My point being as it was tough to defend IU in that game. Boeheim has stated it’s tough to defend Zeller inside with IU having four players capable of shooting 40% + from the three point line.

    Just curious.

    Go IU, beat the Orangemen!!

  59. MarkMe, go on youtube and watch “the shot” by Keith Smart from the 87 game. I think that will answer your question about Cuse playing 2-3 zone.

  60. Just a few things. I’ve been working with college kids for 30+ years. First, a C- AIN’T a C! When that C- is averaged into a GPA, it’s all over for the 2.0. I always hated that IU uses +/- grading for that very reason. It works against the kids more often than for them. Now, how did he end up with a freaking C-? That’s the better question.

    Attitude. Can an athlete’s attitude in summer school be different than what had been seen earlier? Yes. A shaky relationship with an assistant coach, feeling dogged by a coach who thinks you are slacking? Oh yeah, a reasonable kid, particularly inner city, can get very frustrated with their perception of how they are being treated, and they weren’t all good boys their whole lives, and their behavior when pushed and pressured CAN GET BAD. Look at 2/3 of Sampson’s last team. BRAT BEHAVIOR can emerge easily.

    Could an athlete who had a lot riding on that 2.0 work hard enough to reach it if he wanted to? Yes. Can attitude cause a student to destroy a career? Absolutely. Let’s just not turn in the last paper for the course. WHAM. GPA gone. And it is heart breaking for the coaches and the support staff and everyone else who has been behind this kid. IT’s not necessarily a conspiracy theory.

    You can’t forget that bottom line is the student athlete is responsible for their own fate. They are given every stinking opportunity in the world to make it. Some have academic issues, but ALL OF THEM have as much academic support as they WANT. They have to use it. What course was the C- in? Who taught it? How much support did he ask for and use in that course? How many study sessions did he actually attend? THAT makes a difference guys, and THAT is attitude driven.

    Maybe not in summer school, since they usually carefully select the courses for the rookies, but believe me, there are profs out there that will make an athlete’s life a living he11. I’ve seen it. I’ve talked to profs about it. There are some that would think nothing of bouncing that C down to a minus for attitude or class participation or some sloppy grammar or even just sitting slouchy in class. I’ve seen it all guys, and any scenario you can come up with could be true about this kid. And because of confidentiality laws, we won’t ever know.

    There can be a huge divide between the value system of a prof and a student athlete. As some of my colleagues in English would say, they were always picked last in gym. They don’t get any of this athletic stuff and some were beaten down by it as kids. Don’t underestimate the power of those scars just because a prof is a grown up man.

    So, wrap all of that stuff together and lighten up. What happened happened. Do you expect any teenager to be all rainbows and butterflies about the school that kicked him off the team? I don’t. Does that help us see the attitude that got him the boot? Maybe.

    Ok, I’m done.

  61. Geoff can certainly break down the ‘Cuse zone better than I can but I do know that it’s not the traditional zone that you can rain down threes against. The ‘Cuse zone extends out to the perimeter.

    That’s not to say the three isn’t a great weapon against it. More than that I think the variety of offensive options the Hoosiers possess will present a problem.

    Without the three point threat I think we’d have some real issues. No problem there.

    Give us a break down of the Syracuse zone, Geoff. I’m interested in what you have to say.

  62. I’ll see if I can find some tape on it. I accidentally erased my DVR’d 2nd round game against Cal.

    Just a couple thoughts from that game though…

    1) Cal doesn’t have as many shooters as IU.
    2) I’ve never seen a kid so visibly demoralized as Crabbe was that game… He was hanging his head and getting pissed the entire last 30 minutes.
    3) Crabbe was also extremely lazy all game. He didn’t make hard cuts behind he zone. He was passive on the catch. He never found seams.
    4) Cal looked completely unprepared to play zone offense.

    I’ll go see if I can do some research and review and give a breakdown.

  63. First thing I found was an SI article by Luke Wynn, where he broke down last seasons Syracuse 2-3 zone.

    It is obvious from reading that personnel dictate the efficiency of the zone to a high degree. One encouraging note for IU is that Cuse lost their most efficient defenders at each position – front line guards (Waiters), back line wings (Joseph), and center (Melo).

    This year’s team, however, seems slightly more efficient defensively than last year’s. They give up 2 fewer ppg, give up .03 fewer pts per possession, and hold opposing teams to around 38% FG. However, they are also a poor rebounding team. They ranked 11th in the Big East in defensive rebounding %.

    This years 2-3 looks different as well. They are taller and longer on the perimeter, but shorter inside… Last year they had 3 players under 6’4″ getting significant minutes. This year they have 1. Last year they had DPOY Fab Melo protecting the rim at 7′ tall. This year they rotate 3 6’9″ guys.

    Something that should be mentioned is that the zone isn’t passive. It’s a match-up 2-3 that traps on the wings and tries to create chaos. They are looking to create turnovers and get out in transition, not slow tempo and clog the middle like traditional 2-3 zone teams.

    There are some strengths and personnel that IU has that make me hopeful.
    1) Yogi is strong with the ball, and has the physical talent to get into the lane and breakdown the zone.
    2) I think Jordy is too savvy at this point in his career to allow himself to be the easy target of traps.
    3) Dipo and Sheehey are very good cutters. They cut with purpose and have good timing and instincts.
    4) Zeller and Watford are both comfortable in the high or low post, and are decent passers from those spots.
    5) IU has several capable perimeter shooters.

    Keys for IU offensively
    1) run as much as possible.
    2) don’t get caught in the corners and quickly rotate the ball out of traps and then make one more quick pass opposite for open shots.
    3) get the ball to the high post with Zeller, weak side duck-ins from Watford, strong side baseline cuts from Dipo, and Hulls slipping into the spot vacated by one of them for an open 3.
    4) yogi getting into the lane for kick-outs +1 for open looks.
    5) crash the offensive boards with 3 guys all night.

    Still need to find some current tape to focus on tendencies of current personnel. But that’s a start.

  64. The rumor that Patterson cheated is not a new one.

    I heard it for the first time last summer, before he was dismissed.

    I don’t have direct proof, not saying he is guilty, I’m just saying this is not anything new.

  65. Nice post(78) Geoff. Yogi, Will and Victor will need to play well and be able to finish. Look for Zeller to have significant scores off putbacks. Hopefully Hulls and Watford have it going. X-factor being Hollowell, he is due to break out. Someone usually steps up for a team during a Championship run.

  66. Harvard, you’re manipulating your entire argument and that is not fair to IU nor Patterson.

    Harvard’s #16 states the condition: “Reportedly, Patterson received a C and a C- on two summer school classes. He fell .015 below the minimum by averaging a 1.85 instead of a 2.0 for the pair of summer faculty program courses..Doesn’t it all seem a bit fishy? One grade barely slips below the minimum 2.0?

    But, Harvard very quickly takes the unknown quantity of a mere rumor, the ‘rumor’ that Patterson was penalized for a C- (though in itself, the admission standards could have been legitimately set based on a strict 2.0 average basis)and converts it into his own very convenient fact. The reality was quite another, that whatever Patterson did was enough to justify his not being given a C or better. The truth is probably a lot worse than that (Aruss makes an argument in that direction), but whether a small transgression of his academic honesty or a big, fat transgression of his academic honesty…it is clear that the Committee convened to try to help Patterson, Indiana University and Patterson’s biggest advocate, Coach Tom Crean backed away from supporting his admission based on Patterson’s non-performance or worse.

    Harvard’s argument, however tries to manipulate sympathy for Patterson with an argument that simply says” ‘Patterson deserves a break BECAUSE HE has failed- again- to meet a minimum/minimum standard even after being provided with more opportunities than the normal student would ever see. The argument is based on an argument of ‘entitlement’ and assumes that Patterson should be considered a ‘privileged and elite student’ based- not on his ability-but on his ‘inability’ and likely ‘lack of desire to perform… Harvard, sometimes you indeed provide the best argument against your own arguments. The basis of your argument is that deserving would-be students get the opportunity to prove their ability to perform; but you are arguing to allow Patterson privileges because he has, once again, not performed, even when given clear advantages. Patterson needs to learn that lesson.

  67. Patterson is a kid and kids frequently don’t do what’s in their own best interest.

    I hope it all works out for him. I’m sure he’s disappointed in himself for f@(king up a chance to play for the home team. He’s lashing out.

    That’s all.

    Time will tell if Syracuse works out for him and he works out for Syracuse. I just want the Hoosiers to send them packing this season.

    From the facts presented he wasn’t going to be a Hoosier. End of story.

  68. Reading the Ft Myers, Fl paper, FGCU want to double the salary for the Coach — to $300,000 a year. They do not have the money, may be asking for donations.

    About 30 miles north of FGCU campus it was 33 degrees this morning, ice on the cars. Record low. It continues to be strange in Florida.

  69. He’s worth every penny. He’s revolutionized the game. I’ve never seen a team approach a game the way FGCU does. I don’t know if it’s a good idea or not but it’s absolutely revolutionary.

    If I was a WFO player I’d absolutely want to play for that guy.

  70. I really don’t know how many “great advantages” he was given through the summer sponsorship program.

    Good for you, Tsao. Good for you in believing in the system. How many “great advantages” do you believe Broad Ripple affords as opposed to a Carmel or a Park Tudor?

    Where do you find the mentors from the early years in environments far less conducive and supportive to being prepared for the next challenges in higher institutions of learning?

    Which schools will provide the culture where higher percentages of students are truly serious prospects for advanced learning?

    Which classrooms will have to model their curriculum based on lower learning thresholds as to not leave more disenfranchised in a society of ever-growing inner city populations completely unskilled and unprepared?

    Yes, Tsao…I’m sure Ron Patterson has been given all the benefits of an America that has always gone to bat for the youth of our forgotten inner cities, the confined, the economically restrained, and the lucky millions born into wastelands that have little hope and little in way of leadership at local and national levels that insist on the safety and value of every child having a fair shot. Ron Patterson had a great shot, Tsao. But do you seriously believe he was coming with an overflowing abundance of prepared tools and instilled priorities that gave him anything approaching an equal shot? Sorry, but you’re full of crap to draw hard lines in the sand on admission standards but turn blindly to the hard lines of inequality that start so many numerous strides behind the start line of a relatively short race the pivotal years a foundation to learning.

    People like me have thrown away chances. Ron Patterson has thrown away shit in comparison. What am I throwing away spending hours on this blog talking disparaging about an 18-year-old kid that couldn’t squeeze through such a narrow door of opportunity given the likely unstable and unsound bricks laid in the modest and deteriorating systems I had never known as a child? If that’s worth your hard line in the sand to turn him away, then so be it. I give him the benefit of a few mistakes and hope that a new environment can open his eyes and allow him to at least get to the start line.

    And lastly, I still haven’t had the answers to the following:

    Where does he go on the roster if he passes the summer program?

  71. Geoff-

    Haven’t had time to fully digest your analysis of the game..I’m sure, as usual, it’s brilliant and reflective a solid background in the x’s and o’s.

    My analysis:

    If we take as many shots and more go through the nets, we should win.

    Be confident. Believe in your teammate. Don’t force your game or get infatuated with the limelight. Stay humble and true to what those candy-stripes represent.

    Think of those that helped you to get where your at. Think of the hours the loved ones that drove you to practices and picked you up from gyms. Think of brothers and sisters that are screaming at the TV because they are so unselfishly invested in you. Think of loved ones that have passed that watch over you. Play with pride and respect for your opponent. Embrace effort and sportsmanship. Hold your head high and dive to the dirt for every loose ball. Love the game. Believe in your gifts.

  72. Saw this in the comments under the YouTube “Fisch Song”….Just had to share it:

    how many indiana fans does it take to change a light bulb? about 75,000 one to change the bulb and 74,999 to stand around and talk about how good the old one used to be.

  73. I’ll begin where you ask the hard question; had he qualified where would the scholarship come from? We can agree there, I don’t know. I do know that RP made it easier for Tom Crean. (I still think that the Roth decision was unwise and it is likely we will face it all over this summer, with different names). But Ron Patterson’s’ failure has nothing to do with that…; he’s spitting into the wind now.

    This, may be perhaps much harder for you to understand. The most racist attitude is that which does not expect minorities to meet the same standards whatever challenges are out there, regardless. Those that think minorities benefit from lowering the bar do so because in their deepest and darkest corner of their heart they simply believe minorities are unable to succeed with what we bring to the tabl, and our Will to be the best. That Harvard, is the worst form of racism and, worst, most frequently it comes from those who claim to be supportive.’Noblesse Oblige’ meets the ‘Victim Mentality’ and make themselves feel better for their racist view by voicing their ‘mission’ to care for the ‘unfortunate’. My dad and mom simply had no unfortunate ‘victims’ as children and taught us, our entire life, and still do from their graves to fight that stereotype as the mortal enemy of our dignity.

    RP, with all of the God given advantages he had, brought real harm to others like him- basketball players and otherwise. So spare me the ‘understanding’ heart. The next time you see someone with that much going for him failing because they simply choose to, swat him one across the head, from and for me.

  74. So you want a sincere answer to your insinuation?

    I’m far from any perfection that could match a level you’ve attained. How could I not be racist when I’m the guy born here and had it all handed to him on silver platter?

    You earned your right to throw out that label because your warped moral high ground thinks your unparalleled fight to live in freedom now affords you the right to call me the ugliest name in the book. Think about your ideas there, Tsao. Your thoughts live in entitlement. And you do it every day. You’re attempting to take ownership of my thoughts that reside in my heart. That is at the core of all racism. Supremacy. Ownership. And you get to come after me, claim my heart not in a good place. impart evil and ugliness on my doubts in an equitable system free of corruption…You’ve summed me all up. I’m a racist based on my poor pathetic ignorance that lacks the internal perspective that your unparallel life gives you the right.

    That’s the end of the road for what you wanted from freedom? What a horrible and misguided road you’ve traveled. And the more you beat the drum of your supreme final word(yes, we all notice how you wait until all the dust has settled on every thread until you bring your commandments from the mountain top and tell all participants the final condescending word from above), the more you live closer to what you just attempted to paint onto someone you’ve called a “friend.”

  75. Well, I don’t want to mix into that mess but I do think that you have to place some credit or blame with the individual.

    I’ve gotten to know a kid from strikingly similar circumstances. He is a young black man raised in a poverty stricken single parent home in Indianapolis. Lived in a really nasty part of town what what he’s told me. Excellent basketball player, though. He was a member of the Indiana All Stars his senior year (actually, he was an alternate that was put on the team at the last minute).

    He saw education as his way out of poverty. Worked really hard in class. Really nice young man, too. He didn’t go to a basketball powerhouse for college, though he had offers. In fact he didn’t take an athletic scholarship at all, but a need based aid package (available to most everyone). He did play basketball for his university.

    Errick Peck will be graduating from the Cornell School of Hotel and Motel Management in May. That school is pretty much a lock for financial success in the field.

    Give some of these people credit for making their own destiny and overcoming the odds…or not. Life isn’t just about what other people in your life do, it’s also about what you choose to do yourself. Opportunity doesn’t always knock a second time.

  76. Harvard, you do this over and over; cherry pick facts and statements to fit your argument. Nowhere did I call you a racist; in fact I was very careful to word it as I did knowing that you would chisel it to fit…as you have frequently done.

    For your benefit, I wrote:

    “The most racist attitude is that which does not expect minorities to meet the same standards whatever challenges are out there, regardless. Those that think minorities benefit from lowering the bar do so because in their deepest and darkest corner of their heart they simply believe minorities are unable to succeed with what we bring to the tabl, and our Will to be the best.”

    You, took the definition I wrote (and which I believe strongly in my heart and mind) and bent it, chiseled it and painted it to fit the position that I am absolutely sure you wanted to portray in all your Patterson polls, knowing that it comes down to one thing…Patterson did not have enough strength and/or integrity to meet a challenge that would have made a tremendous difference in his life and that of his generations. There are times when an individual has to accept that fact and sad reality. And you, in your poetic Ode to Give’em (Whoever) Two or Three Breaks defend it because it serves your “Ode to Self Guilt” that possesses your existence.

    The problem Harvard, is that I don’t believe either. I don’t believe half the narrative you played on your guitar in honor of Ron Patterson’s self-induced suffering and I don’t believe you are nearly the ‘bad-guy’ trying to martyr himself that you present. (I actually think you are a good guy trying to find the excuse not to live and enjoy it).

    So Harvard, I’m your worse nightmare; I actually like you, will continue to do so in spite of what you say about yourself and will also continue to hold Ron Patterson and all other similar ‘victims of the Establishment’ accountable to themselves for whatever good and bad happens (f/u) in their lives.

    So there! (Picture me sticking my tongue out at you, and then gurgling- really gurgling- some beer in enjoyment of the moment).

  77. That is absolutely the point Chet…absolutely!!! I went to school in the same city as your friend, walked and share my fondest memories in an inner city school that was about 49-49-2 black, white, others. Many made it, some didn’t but the one thing they taught us at that great school was we had the power to make our lives and not depend on someone else’s decision. If RP was waiting for someone to ’empower’ him he had already given the ‘power’ over; and it didn’t matter to whom he gave it. He’s lost it.

    By the way, that is the problem with the whole concept of ‘The Establishment”. If you believe it, you can never be a part of it.

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