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  1. This weekend is definitely a must-win; however, I’d probably rather not go than lose to Ball State again.

  2. There is no question that this is a must win game not only for bowl eligibility but as a validation of the progress that the program is hopefully making. Illinois and Purdue likewise are winnable and must wins. We are not yet at the level where we can effectively compete with Wisconsin but that’s OK for this year.

    Minny will not be easy. It is an important game for them as well even though they are arguably a step ahead of us in the building process. They have a reasonably good defense and can score. Our defense will need to step up which I realize is tough given the injury situation. This game will be a great opportunity for some guys who would not otherwise get to play B1G ball (at least not for some time) to really prove themselves! Looking forward to it.

    Go Hoosiers!

  3. Pretty gutsy call by USA today, but I do think it’s a reflection of how many people are genuinely impressed by our offense. I’ve still got a good feeling about this year, but we’ve got to beat Minnesota this weekend. MUST WIN.

  4. The double edge sword: if IU wins 6 then a matchup with Ball State…ouch! So is it better to loose to Gophers now instead of Ball State in bowl game…..I am for 6 wins because I think Ball State and IU matchup would be a fun game to watch on local level….even though no interest on national level

  5. Ridiculous. Not that IU couldn’t yet make it to a (pseudo) bowl game. But who could take seriously any such “projection” with so many games yet to play? Only the people who somehow manage to get paid for gazing into crystal balls and coming up with hokum like this.

  6. I think we’ll go to higher tier bowl game. Our offense is simply too damn fun and explosive to keep off the networks. Hoosiers scoring machine would be good for bowl ratings.

    There is no way I would be as defeatist to say we’ll only squeak into a pizza bowl. I’m thinking more an Outback Steakhouse bowl as highly probable….

    Once we pound Minuscule Soda….the momentum will build.

  7. I’d rather have a chance of beating Ball State than not playing a 13th game. Going to any Bowl game would help recruiting and the IU Athletic Department’s bottom line.

  8. Let’s beat Minnesota on Saturday. Any speculation beyond that game is purely a distraction. Go Hoosiers.

  9. KevinK I too like Keith’s focus. Podunker is also on point about earning a chance to play 13 and makes us look at the big picture. But the biggest benefit for IU to go to a bowl of any significance is the extra practices that bowl bound teams enjoy to help build their programs well past the bowl game. Many times it allows injured players to return to productive time on the field and young players opportunity to break onto the depth chart creating more competition for Spring. That single benefit of extra practice time for playing a bowl game has as much to do with top teams staying on top and improving teams clawing their way there as any other criteria. IU needs that benefit badly.

  10. HC POST #12:

    Your points about the various benefits of a bowl game are spot on. Make it a New Years Bowl for even more practice time and national exposure.

  11. IUG89, Somebody may have proof to dispute me but I believe every bowl team is allowed only so many practice hours/days no matter if the team is preparing for a bowl pre-NY’s or the NC game although the later the bowl game is the more time an injured player would have to heal and rehab. Yes the extra practice time would be worth a zillion to the Hoosiers.

  12. There is not a limit on practice time for bowls. In short – the better your bowl (date-wise) – the more time you get to practice. Below – I included a portion of an article I found a year or so ago.

    Steve Megargee
    By Steve Megargee December 15, 2011 11:31 PM Yahoo Sports

    Bowl practice a chance to prepare for future

    When a team earns a bowl bid, its coach inevitably talks about how much the extra practice time helps the program get a jump start in preparing for next season.

    But the nature of the bowl schedule dictates that some teams benefit more than others.

    The postseason schedule begins Saturday with the New Mexico Bowl, Famous Idaho Potato Bowl and New Orleans Bowl. It doesn’t end until Alabama and LSU face off in the BCS championship game Jan. 9 at New Orleans.

    Because there’s no specific NCAA limit on the number of workouts a team can hold to prepare for its bowl, teams playing later in the calendar get more practice time.

    “It’s obviously a benefit to go to a bowl game, but you don’t get any extra practice time when you’re playing like we are, on the 17th,” says San Diego State coach Rocky Long, whose team faces Louisiana-Lafayette in the New Orleans Bowl.

    Indeed, four of the six teams playing Saturday finished their regular season two weeks ago. That didn’t give them much time to prepare for next season; heck, it barely gave them enough time to prepare for their bowl game.

    “It’s not different, really, than having a bye week,” says Wyoming coach Dave Christensen, whose team is playing Temple in the New Mexico Bowl. “That’s basically what it’s like.”

    That didn’t stop Utah State from using its bowl preparations as a way to gear up for next season. Utah State faces Ohio in the Famous Idaho Potato Bowl two weeks after closing the regular season with a 24-21 victory over New Mexico State. But the Aggies have spent 30-45 minutes of each practice session doing developmental work with their underclassmen.

    “I’m calling it another spring ball,” Utah State coach Gary Andersen says. “That’s what I told our younger kids in the program.”

  13. I’ll be damned, thanks for the education. Hard for me or maybe anyone to believe the NCAA would not have a whole chapter of regulations controlling that 1 aspect of bowl season. What keeps their fingers off-n that? Maybe they hibernate from Dec. 10-24th.

    I really believe Wisky got a steal from Utah St. and the Hogs got much less than they paid for.

  14. HC and IUGRAD,

    What are NCAA guidelines for bowl teams and practice?

    Although there is no specific limit on the number of practices teams may hold while preparing for a bowl game, standard NCAA rules apply for student-athletes’ participation in practice or other athletically related activities. Same as the regular season, these rules limit practice and other athletic activities to a maximum of four hours per day and 20 hours per week.

  15. Jay Gregg, I finally came around to understanding that is what IUG89 was telling me. Thick headed last night, either not enough Heinekens or Famous Grouse Scotch.

  16. I just can’t see the defense stopping Minnesota this weekend. IU hasn’t proven they can win when it counts. The players and coaches will need to have all cylinders clicking to win, and I just haven’t seen that yet. I hope I’m wrong.

  17. PO- not sure that a bowl game helps the athletic dept. bottom line. Don’t the Big Ten schools share bowl receipts? Maybe there is some marginal benefit if they sell some a lot of T-shirts.

    There was an excellent article (can’t remember what publication but the link was on the site “Coaches Hot Seat”) about how a lot of schools actually lose money on bowl games. How so?

    1) Failing to sell all tickets “allotted” by the bowl. Schools have to buy their full allotment, and eat any loss of unsold tickets. I had some friends in the IU band when IU went to the Holiday Bowl- even band members had to buy tickets.

    2) Overspending. Some schools comp big donors, professors, and various hangers on with tix, hotel rooms, meet and greet parties, etc. In one instance cited, U Wisc. took three Bucky Badger mascots to a recent bowl game. I know the UW roster goes deep, but that’s ridiculous.

    H4H, I’d prefer steak to pizza, too, except that Detroit is a lot more doable than Tampa. Besides, the Outback website says that the lineup will be the 3d Big Ten pick v. 3d SEC pick, and I don’t see IU going nearly that high. OSU goes to the Rose Bowl; MSU, UN, UW and Meatchicken will all be ahead of IU- and we all know they will put more fannies in the seats than IU. In the meantime: BEAT MINNESOTA!

  18. davis, yes, it is possible for a school’s Athletic Department to lose money by attending a bowl game I believe it depends on the number of tickets the school can sell. But mostly, the bowl games are an extra source of revenue for schools. If you have a disappointed fan base who is not excited about going to a minor bowl game (USC last season), then the school will probably lose some money by attending. If you sell most of your tickets, you make money. But in addition to the extra practice time the team gets, as HC pointed out, the value is really in recruiting. Being able to say that IU went to a bowl, any bowl, is a signal that it is in deed turning things in the right direction. That’s why I’d like to see IU make a bowl game, no matter how minor a bowl it is.

    HC or IUGrad89; if memory serves me correctly, when Bob Knight was IU’s BB coach, in those years when IU did not make the NCAA or NIT tournaments, Knight continued to hold team practices even after IU had played its last game, until the NCAA tournament was concluded. Those were the rules back then. Does that still apply for basketball and/or football? If IU does not get into a bowl game, can Wilson continue to hold practices after the last regular season game? Or does the NCAA prevent football teams from continuing to practice after the last regular season game?

  19. Actually Po – I do know the answer to your question. Allow me to paraphrase here and explain as simply as possible. Throughout the season as you’re aware you have the practice time limitations (days/hours). After the season is over the NCAA allows you to continue to practice if you have reason to believe you’ll be invited to play in the post season (basketball or football). Think about the at-large bids for NCAA Basketball tourney or 6 wins in football. You can practice without that time going against you season allotted time.

    I think your question involving IU Basketball with Knight practicing or if the IU football team could practice if they did not make a bowl game is best answered this way. If you do not make a tourney in bball or bowl in football you are allowed to practice after the season is over – up to the date the NCAA Championship of that sport is played.

    IF – you have practice time available from you regular season allotment left over. Meaning you short your season 1 practice hour per week for 16 weeks as an example. You can then use those 16 hours to practice after your season is concluded if you are not in a bowl or tourney. Trust me every coach out there calculates and documents their practice time to the second I would imagine. So – that’s how Knight did it. Wilson would have that opportunity if they “banked” any time during the season. Hopefully I wrote this well enough to understand.

  20. IUGRAD89,

    Your post #24 intrigues me. Where did you get your information, can you document your information?
    Thank you.

  21. IUGRAD89- except that football teams such as IU’s do not play for the NCAA championship. That’s the Football Championship Subdivision. IU is in the FBS. Alabama has never won an “NCAA football championship”, nor has Notre Dame, USC, Nebraska etc.

    PO- so what happened to bowl revenue sharing by the Big Ten? And I thought that’s how other conferences did it, too.

  22. Davis: I paraphrased trying to tie two things into one. In regards to football – in IU’s case – they mean the final bowl game ( BCS Championship game ) and in basketball obviously the tourney. They like to use the terminology ( the NCAA I mean ) “NCAA Championship competition” throughout their rules.

    Jay: I have a general knowledge of a fair amount of the rules. I have a couple year old NCAA rules book ( like War and Peace – without the storyline ). I believe you could probably go online to NCAA Website and find rules.
    I have included below a scan of section 17.1/6 NCAA Bylaws – subsection b.

    (b) NCAA or NAIA Championships Participation in Team Sports. Neither practice for nor participation in any NCAA or NAIA championship event (including play-in contests conducted pursuant to NCAA championships) is considered part of the institution’s declared playing season. A member institution that has reason to believe it is under consideration for selection to participate in an NCAA championship event may continue to practice (but may not compete against outside competition) beyond its last regular-season contest, including the conference championship (if any), without counting such practice against the institution’s declared playing-season limitation until it is determined by the appropriate committee whether the institution will be selected to participate in the NCAA championship competition. An institution that is not selected to participate in the NCAA championship may continue to practice or compete until the end of that championship only if it has time remaining in its declared playing season;

    And I’m done scanning for a while. LOL.

    Davis: I do know the BIGTEN shares equally all bowl money except in the case of newer members. They get a smaller share and it’s graduated over quite awhile until they get a full share. Not all conferences share their money equally like the BIGTEN.

  23. PO, IUGRAD89- so if all conf. schools share bowl money equally, then going to a bowl game should mean more money for the athletic department. No bowl = no bowl expenses.

  24. Oops, I meant NOT going to a bowl game should yield more $$$. If a school gets the same amount of money whether it goes to a bowl game or not, then what’s the upside to spending money on sending a team to the Weed-B-Gone bowl?

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