Crean introspective on radio show

On his weekly radio show Monday night, Indiana coach Tom Crean was asked by host and play-by-play man Don Fischer what stood out to him on film when he reviewed the Hoosiers’ 79-72 loss to Notre Dame on Saturday at the Crossroads Classic.

“We played worse than what I thought during the game, to be honest with you,” Crean said. “I take full responsibility.”

Public self-flagellation is not necessarily Crean’s M.O. It’s not that he deflects blame, but he usually speaks about problems the team has in the collective sense, using the pronoun “we,” instead of “I.” On Monday he made perhaps as much of a point as  he ever has a public setting in enumerating his own faults and directly absorbing blame.

“Frankly with the mistakes that we made in the game and the poor coaching job that I did,” Crean said, “I’m amazed that we were even in it at the end.”

There was an extensive list of issues that Crean blamed himself for, one being that he regretted not playing sophomore forward Hanner Mosquera-Perea more than his three minutes, but he centered on the fact that he didn’t think the team got the ball in the post nearly enough, especially late in the game.

Freshman center Noah Vonleh, a top-10 recruit, three-time Big Ten Freshman of the Week and potential one-and-done, had just five field goal attempts in 21 minutes, making four of them. Fellow big men Mosquera-Perea and Luke Fischer had just four field goal attempts between the two of them.

“I should’ve done a much, much better job at the end of making sure that ball got inside,” Crean said. “… The bottom line is the ball has gotta go in the post more. We’ve gotta do a better job of making sure that we get better possessions, especially at the end of games.”

Crean thought the ball spent far too much time on the perimeter and the Hoosiers settled for too many jump shots. Their 20 3-pointers were the third-highest total of this season. They made seven of those, but with the ball spending less time in the paint, the Hoosiers drew a season-low 16 personal fouls and took a season-low 16 free throws.

Indiana also didn’t get the ball to a post player on either of what could be considered the Hoosiers’ two most important offensive possessions. With the Hoosiers down 71-69 with under two minutes to go, sophomore point guard Yogi Ferrell stole the ball but never passed it, abandoning one drive before taking a high ball screen at the top of the key, then driving straight into Notre Dame center Garrick Sherman at the rim and having his shot blocked. Notre Dame scored to make it 73-69 and Ferrell missed another three on the next possession without passing the ball. Ferrell then had a steal, but senior forward Will Sheehey missed a 3-pointer on the following possession and the Hoosiers had to start putting Notre Dame on the free throw line.

“What we’re dealing with as a young team right now,” Crean said, “and it’s not an excuse it’s a fact, but it’s also my responsibility to get it fixed is that we don’t understand momentum and we don’t understand right now that a five-point, seven-point difference is not the time to come down and shoot a 3-point shot. It’s the time to get the ball reversed. … We’ve gotta do a better job of understanding what we want. That starts with making sure it’s going through the paint and through the post.”

Crean was asked if Vonleh specifically has learned how to demand the ball in the post.

“Not yet,” he said. “Not yet, but he will. Noah should be a senior in high school (age-wise). That’s what everybody (forgets). I’ll defend him until the day ends. He’s being coached hard and he can take it.”

Crean also took responsibility for Vonleh’s struggles on defense. Notre Dame had little problem getting the ball in the paint with Sherman scoring 16 points on 6-for-7 shooting and reserve forwards Tom Knight and Zach Auguste scored a combined 14 points on 6-for-10 shooting. Vonleh was in numerous cases covering those two one-on-one, but Crean said much of that was a communication issue, which goes back to him.

“Our double-team communication was not very good in the first half,” Crean said. “… You’ve gotta be in constant movement and everybody’s gotta know what each other’s doing. That was a little experience, but the biggest problem we had in all honesty after watching the film was not the post defense, it was the ball pressure that is the beginning of post defense. We were not nearly active enough on some of their players. … I’ve gotta do a better job of coaching ball pressure.”

Crean also said he wanted better transition defense and he might’ve played bigger in the end if he had to do it all over again, but he said the biggest lesson is he needs to do a better job of getting the game plan to sink in.

“We made numerous game-plan mistakes in this game,” Crean said. “That’s concerning because we’re 11 games in and we’ve gotta be better than that.”

NOTE: Fischer told the audience that Royce Waltman, IU’s radio color analyst, had successful surgery on tumors in his bladder region on Monday. Waltman has been battling cancer for 10 years and had his bladder removed four years ago because of it. Doctors discovered additional tumors in the area in the last two years and decided to conduct Monday’s surgery. Fischer said Waltman is expected to be released from the Indiana University Medical Center hospital in 2-3 days. Waltman has taken a leave of absence from the broadcast and is being replaced by former Indiana and Bloomington North guard Errek Suhr in the interim.

49 comments

  1. Top issues as I see them – 1. Yogi needs to go back to being a point guard and stop jacking up shots. His role should be to make others better and get them easier shots which he is not doing by a long shot. 2. Less Sheehey and more Robinson & Gordon. If Sheehey is one of our top three scoring options, we lose. 3. Our defense blows. Any team that runs any semblance of an offense with cuts and screens knifes us up. I cringe at how lost we’ll look against UW. 4. We’ve got the bangers inside that we can just throw it off the glass and go get it. This isn’t last year’s pretty perimeter oriented team, we need to grind out wins off the glass. We should be attacking like a pack of wild dogs and forget the style points of the motion offense.

    The freshmen are where they need to be but the veterans are holding us back by trying to do too much.

  2. Interesting points Aruss… I like the fact that you had the balls to say Sheehey shouldn’t be a top 3 scoring threat directly after a 21 pt performance on 9-15 shooting… Preceded by saying Yogi should stop looking to score and be more of a facilitator…

    Not saying I disagree, but I’m curious… Based on those 2 statements, who should be our top 3 scoring options?

    1. Vonleh
    2.
    3.

  3. Glad to see Crean recognizing problems and accepting blame…

    (Said in the voice of Ray Zalinsky)

    “Good. You’ve pinpointed the problem. Step 2 is washing it out.”

    It’s high time for Noah’s first 25 point game.

  4. Top 3 scoring options:

    1) Vonleh – everything should start from our best mismatch in the post.
    2) Gordon – you can tell he’s been coached by his old man because every movement has a purpose. Has the fundamentals of his brother but without the explosion. Run plays for him and stretch the D similar to Cooney on Syracuse.
    3) Williams – slasher who has the same mannerisms and type of game of a young Shawn Marion when he’s focused.

    Between those three, you have the inside, outside and intermediate game. Sheehey should be getting opportunistic buckets. His “big” game was filled with horrendous turnovers and bogging down everyone else’s offense. This team can still be great but we’re at a cross roads of which direction do we go.

  5. Okay, interesting… I wasn’t expecting Gordon at #2 necessarily, but anything that starts with Vonleh I’m willing to experiment with and watch.

  6. Morning All,
    How bout a 3 guard lineup?
    Vonleh
    Perea
    Robinson
    Gordon
    Ferrell
    Might cut down on turnovers, creates more pressure on the perimeter.
    Then Crean can tinker with who comes in based on fouls, physical and mental effort.
    Sheehey and Williams can sub on the wings, Fischer and Davis for Noah or Hanner. That leaves Hollowell and Austin for guard play. Yogi can play 30, when he is not in, Gordon or Robinson gives him a rest. This plays into Creans offense, use those guards, make teams go small, creates more vertical space for Vonleh, Hanner can put the hammer down.

  7. You can’t solve a problem until you first acknowledge you have one. I found Crean’s introspection encouraging. The fact that he took the blame is a good sign too. It’s obvious that he continues to learn and is trying to improve as a coach. When that process stops, or when he no longer believes he can learn anything, or no longer accepts responsibility for mistakes, it will be time for him to quit coaching.

  8. I would give him an ‘introspection’ contract extension.

    Phase 1 Contract: Because Years(Initial Contract)
    Phase 2 Contract: Decimation Extension(3 extra years)
    Phase 3 Contract: Everything Hinges Extension(2 extra years)
    Phase 4 Contract; Sweet 16 Extension(a.k.a. “Movement” Extension = 2 extra years)
    Phase 5 Contract: Chasing Meyer Extension(one year)
    Phase 6 Contract: Introspection Extension(Lifetime extension)*

    *Once a coach reaches ‘Introspection Phase’ of his Hoosier coaching career, he is to be honored with the ‘Hoosier Saint Award'(formerly acknowledged with a cutting down the nets ceremony at the next Syracuse game).

  9. hc

    I was thinking the same thing. motion offense? don’t make me laugh. the next time you see an iu shooter coming off a weakside screen ready to catch and shoot will be the first time. wont’t matter because his footwork will be wrong, the screen will be poor, the ball will be late, etc.

    crean doesn’t teach, he tells. he tells the team to beat the other team down the floor and out-rebound the opponent, as if the other coach doesn’t teach transition defense or boxing out. he doesn’t teach the team how to get it done. and unless we are playing inferior teams it doesn’t get done.

    our offense consists of driving to the basket and throwing yourself at the basket and hope the refs bail you out with a foul call. so ugly to watch. dump the ball in the post? then what? unless a player came to iu with post moves, he won’t learn any from crean. I still believe cody left early because he couldn’t learn anything at iu. he didn’t develop at all under crean. in fact, crean hindered him by not letting him shoot from outside.

    even our high screen and roll isn’t done correctly. big guys routinely turn their back to the ball as they roll to the basket. wtf coach?!? inbounds plays? forget it. iu getting burned on them. oh yeah.

    I think this rep crean seems to be getting for developing players is a crock. sure he gets players to get in cook hall to work on their skills but is he teaching or just telling? I just see a lack of new skills from players, horrible fundamentals, no understanding of basic offensive principles.

    of course, I know better than anyone what a team full of freshmen will do to a good game plan so I guess crean gets a pass this season. I also understand that our ridiculous offense is being “run” throughout basketball these days as coaches seem to be afraid to teach. players want to play “free”. whatever. but I also know that what crean has the players doing against zone d is just plain wrong. my guess is we will see a steady diet of zone in the big ten. yeah coach, tell your team to drive against the zone some more. that’ll work. I wish bo ryan was our coach.

  10. I just don’t understand the harsh criticism directed at Crean every time IU loses a basketball game. I mean, I just don’t get it, relative to the big picture and the condition the IU basketball program was in when he arrived, it seems irrational.

    It has been well established that I am not afraid to criticize an IU coach that is not getting the job done, whose players are not improving, and whose teams are not winning. It has also been established that I am willing to criticize Crean on this site. And while I’m not sure I want Crean to finish his coaching career as IU’s basketball coach, I think a lot of people forget just how bad the condition of IU Men’s basketball was when Crean took over.

    Let’s be honest. IU basketball was on life support after a traumatic self-inflicted wound when Crean arrived in Bloomington. To use a medical analogy, IU basketball was in critical condition after years of gross incompetence committed by numerous IU administrators and one corrupt coach. Tom Crean, with help from a lot of others, like a doctor working with a trauma team in the Emergency Room, was responsible for reviving IU basketball. It’s not as strong as it once was, 27 years ago, but its prognosis is for a full recovery. Tom Crean deserves a lot of credit for that and the benefit of the doubt when is most recent young team loses a game.

    But a lot of people fail to realize that growth, whether it be personal or organizational growth, is not a linear process. You don’t go from your first winning season in four years and losing to the national champions in the sweet 16 to the final four the next year, and then to winning the championship the year after that in linear progression. It does not work like that. There are ups and downs, progress and regression, victories and defeats involved in every growth process.

    In some respects, Crean has become a victim of the expectations created by his success as an excellent recruiter. Too many people think, “oh, we have another top ten recruiting class coming in, so reaching the final four is just a formality.” Or they think, “hey, we have all this talent, why aren’t we winning every game by 20 points or more?” It does not work that way in real life, folks.

    Tom Crean may never be as successful as Bob Knight, but only a couple of coaches have ever achieved that level of success in college basketball. Given where the program was at when Crean took over, I think we should cut him some slack and temper our expectations about how long it will take to get IU basketball back to where we all want it to be.

  11. How much longer are you going to give him on top the already 7-year excuse?

    Davis hardly inherited anything in less turmoil. Try replacing a 20-year legend that’s been fired while there’s a burning in effigy of the university president on the front grounds his campus home.

  12. Crean is a victim his own crucifixion parties and villain chasing antics. When you bring it on that thick, you better expect it to come back just as thick on the boomerang.

    The Zeller carnival is over. Now it’s time to show what you can do without savior recruits that come along once every decade.

  13. And the doom and gloom surrounding the upcoming Big 10 season shows just how lacking in b-ball understanding most the blowholes on this blog.

    You’ll see a nearly .750 winning percentage in the Big. Some of the so-called “cupcakes” we played matched up pretty well in terms of athleticism. But our Hoosier team is more built for the grind; the depth plus athleticism is something many Big 10 teams won’t be able to handle. We’ll be very difficult to beat at home and should win 1/2 our road games.

    We’ll finish 4th or 5th in the standings and easily make the Dance.

  14. Thank you. While such comments are expected from you, given your irrational obsession and hatred for Crean, post number 13 makes my point exactly. Too many IU fans express similar irrationality.

    Do you realize just how stupid the question you posted in #13 reads? Crean just won the Big Ten Championship outright last March. Two years leading the team to the sweet 16. In the first one, he lost to the eventual NCAA Champions. Lat year, his team lost to one of the winningest coaches in NCAA history. Two of his players were NBA lottery picks. He has produced three great recruiting classes in a row, with another great one coming in next year. His players are good students and they graduate, often early, and they stay out of trouble. How much longer you ask? As long as Crean maintains that level of achievement, he’ll be coaching at IU as long as he wants to.

    Get a clue!

  15. And even if his players didn’t stay out of trouble, the same hypocrisy would take place that is now nonchalantly sweeping under the rug the violent acts committed by the Mellencamp sons and the baseball coach’s son. Do we hear any outrage on these same blogs over that recent example of rotten character? Of course not.

    Better as hell keep daddy thug out of Assembly Hall. Beating a kid to near death is a bit more violent than throwing a clay pot at a wall. Funny how I didn’t hear any journalists attempting to write any editorial approaching the time spent on an Elston trip. Forgive me for smirking.

    Crean is the worst coach in IU history without one recruit: Cody Zeller. Gotta give Crean credit for extending his contract ten more years by luring in one hell of a local phenom that shares the same passion for the thy one and only Lord.

  16. The truth is most often sick to most people. The hypocrisy of raking all of Sampson’s players through the coals as demons while ignoring violent acts of young people that have close association to our sports and school is beyond ignorance and indigestion.

    I could care less if IU wins another game in any sport if they live by such ugly inconsistencies and view it as just and balanced. We chase around an assistant coach at Ann Arbor while remaining silent to violent acts on our own campus by well known participants surrounding our programs and Hollywood personalities in our stands…That’s what’s sick, Ben.

  17. optimist… podiatrist…optometrist..stylist…novelist…pharmacist…pharmacologist…botanist…nuclear physicist…scientist…biologist..,chemist…paleontologist..archeologist…proctologist…antagonist…protagonist…..guitarist…pianist…saxophonist…humorist…satirist.

  18. Po – I agree with a lot of what you’re saying… The last paragraph of #12 is interesting…

    “…temper our expectations about how long it will take IU back to where we all want it to be.”

    How do you measure that? I measure it in wins, and recruits, and talent, and attendance, and fervor, and national attention… And in deep tournament runs.

    Wins – we have won 27 and 29 games the last 2 years…

    Recruits – we have attracted 3 McDonalds AAs, 8 top-50 players, and 2 more top-100 players from ’11-’14…

    Talent – we put 2 players in the NBA lottery last year, and we have another lottery pick on the roster…

    Attendance – we sell out every home, even against the Savannah State’s of the world, and don’t we have the most student tickets sold in the country? Assembly Hall is considered by many as the best atmosphere in college basketball.

    Fervor – see Attendance, plus we pack it in for Hoosier Hysteria, turn Madison Square Garden into Assembly Hall, NY, an have no fewer than 6 seemingly popular Blogs dedicated to the team… Why do you think Orange Supreme spends time on here… Because the #2 team in the country doesn’t have a fan base that dedicates their attention like we do 24/7.

    National Attention – we get priority on almost every BTN time slot… Even though we have a nationwide conference network with contractual obligations we still get 5-10 national broadcasts on the likes of ESPN and CBS… Crean is in-studio doing guest appearances… We are hosting ESPN Game Days in Bloomington…

    So what’s missing? Not much at this point… Just the deep tournament runs. However, I think that’s “where we all want to be.” That’s incredibly important.

    I understand, and I think almost everyone here understands, it’s not a linear progression (although it’s still a point worth noting). That’s why, after a continual ascent over the last 5 years, I’m “tempering my expectations” for this season. I think most are. I think most fans aren’t expecting a deep run this year… But they’d like to see some flashes that give them hope for next year…

    The good news is there are still plenty of opportunities to give us those flashes. Still plenty of time for this team to grow… To find an identity… To learn how to execute… To beat a team their not supposed to…

    But I’m not willing to temper my expectations next year. Indiana IS BACK in so many measurable ways. And next years team will have:

    Experience – Yogi, Jeremy, Hanner, Austin
    Talent – Noah, Williams, JBJ, Stan, Yogi, Jeremy
    Grit – Davis, Stan, Noah, Austin, Colin
    Athleticism – Troy, Davis, Stan, Noah, Jeremy, Hanner
    Shooting – JBJ, Johnson, Yogi, Hartman, Max
    Size – Fischer, Noah, Hanner

    They’ll have a PG, a low post scorer, rebounders, slashers, rim protectors, FT makers, creators, defenders…. And almost every single contributor on the roster will have plenty of experience under their belt.

    So next year, Crean needs to prove he can take another step forward… It will not have been a lineal progression, but next year’s move cannot be in the wrong direction. If he plateaus – with that type of talent, and the type of players he needs to play his style, with a sold out Assembly Hall every night, with amazing fan support for the players and program (if not the coach) – then why should we believe he is capable of consistently getting into championship contention?

    I can give all kinds of reasons as to why he deserves our support now… We have been on an ascent since he got here… But we ARE back… We were back last year… He got us to the point where IU needs to be to contend for championships… So now he needs to show us he can contend for a championship… Not this year… But it should be fully expected next year.

  19. Geoff, I like your post. But a few comments in response.

    Basically you’re saying that unless Crean takes either this year’s team or next year’s team to the final four, he will have proven that he’s not qualified to remain as IU’s coach for an extended period of time. I think that’s what you’re saying. True, or did I misunderstand?

    The double standard IU fans apply to basketball as compared to football is simply amazing. Really, think about applying your comments in #24 to IU’s football coach! I get called a “terrorist” for suggesting that Mallory should be fired unless IU’s defense showed significant improvement, and several people are implying that Crean should be on the hot seat unless he can lead IU “deep into the tournament.” That is amazing to me. If IU fans had half the passion for football that we do for basketball, IU football would go to bowl games every other year at least. Our tolerance for failure and mediocrity in football is embarrassing.

    You place great emphasis on talent. I think too much so. I think too many IU fans place way too much emphasis on talent. I think most people forget that having great talent is not enough to win championships. It also takes great team chemistry and player leadership, which is what takes time and experience to develop. IU’s problem right now is a lack of team leadership and a lack of team chemistry (communication, understanding, and trust, etc.) That’s the problem, as I see it, with Crean’s in-game substitution tendencies. It extends the time necessary to build chemistry, especially with so many young and inexperienced players and also delays the emergence of a team leader. I’ve always thought Crean’s substitution strategies are pre-determined and on autopilot, and are not based situational awareness. Knight was usually much better at substituting based on his analysis of game situations.

    I doubt Glass agrees with your position about Crean. My guess is that if Crean accomplishes nothing more than what he accomplished in the previous two seasons, he’ll be allowed to keep his job indefinitely. I’m not saying IU fans will be satisfied, or that Crean would be satisfied, but I doubt this level of coaching performance or achievement would be enough to justify firing him, no matter how high IU fans’ expectations for basketball are. And ironically, it is the lesson that IU learned in firing Mallory (senior) that the administrators would consider in their justification to keep Crean on as IU’s coach. It is not a given that IU could hire a coach that would do better, and as we all learned so painfully from our experience with Sampson, we could do a lot worse. Unless IU basketball tanks in the next three years, I believe Crean has good job security, whether we like it or not.

  20. I’m saying he needs to show a progression in ’14-15… He needs to gets past the Sweet 16… There are program builders and championship winners.. Sometimes those things overlap… Crean needs to prove he has the potential for both… I know he can build. When you want to build a franchise in the NBA you hire Larry Brown… When it’s time to win the championship you go out and hire someone else. Crean got us here, and I’m hopeful he can finish the job, but he needs to progress.

    Fine I’m placing too much emphasis on talent, but here’s what I feel like I know for a fact – Crean is not a good enough tactician to compete for a title without elite talent. So you’re only fueling my belief… If he can’t show me he can gel elite talent into a championship calibre team, then why should I believe he can come anywhere close without it?

    I think he has job security regardless of what happens next year… Well he can’t go 9-27… But he can be mediocre and live out his current contract. From an institutional perspective he is a good fit, even if not from a fan perspective. I don’t think ere will be any more extensions without progression though.

    I think the Sampson “debacle” is waaaaaay overblown. I’m guessing if there were more oversight from a Department perspective then things may have gone differently – grades, rules, etc… But I have no issue, and said so at the time, with Sampson’s recruiting practices… The whole thing was always a joke, which is why the rules no longer exist.

  21. It’s over. Without Zeller Crean is zero. Zeller came here for Indiana and to play alongside Jordan Hulls. The moment Hulls finished Zeller was out. Without Zeller we’re left with pure entropy and we read things like: “Coach Crean can get better! Coach Crean can get better! Otherwise he’d quit coaching…” Sure, this now has become a “let’s get coach Crean to improve” project. It’s Indiana! LMFAO.

  22. I think the Sampson “debacle” is waaaaaay overblown. I’m guessing if there were more oversight from a Department perspective then things may have gone differently – grades, rules, etc… But I have no issue, and said so at the time, with Sampson’s recruiting practices… The whole thing was always a joke, which is why the rules no longer exist.

    Geoff-

    Thank you.

  23. “Overblown” relative to what? Relative to IU’s standards and expectations, Sampson’s tenure was in fact, a debacle. Don’t take my word for it, just look at the fact that the man was banned from coaching in the NCAA for years! From what I’ve read and heard, from people who were involved, the primary issue was not Sampson’s recruiting violations, it was the “character” or lack thereof, of the players he recruited to IU. You can’t have numerous players chronically skipping classes, doing drugs, and flunking out of school, in addition to violating NCAA recruiting rules, and expect to keep your job as IU’s head basketball coach. But enough about that old news, we’re beating a dead horse.

    I don’t disagree with some of your points about Crean, But I’m willing to bet that if Crean maintains the current level of achievement, without his teams advancing beyond the sweet 16, his contract will in deed be extended beyond its current term. IU is NEVER going to have the highest paid basketball coach in the NCAA. Therefore, without the willingness to go out and hire a Calipari, or a Coach K, etc., we’re always going to be hiring “an up and comer” type of of coach. Someone, like Crean, that has demonstrated success as a head coach at a “lessor” program, who has a squeaky clean record, and who sees the IU job as a major career advancement. And that is always going to involve the risk that the new guy won’t be up to the task of hanging another banner in Assembly Hall. Crean at IU could turn out to be a situation like JB at Syracuse, who was successful for many years before ever winning his first championship.

  24. I loved watching the Sampson team’s play. They played the game on the court without cockiness. They played clean and with brotherhood. I wish there was a way to mold the backbone they had on the hardwood with the background those that have been raised with solid educational foundation and academic goals. I can’t blame Sampson’s recruits for seeing everything that went on outside of practice and basketball as one giant candy store of temptations. I think it’s very naive to believe anyone sharing some of the similar circumstances and similar upbringing would not loose their way a bit at a huge campus with so many easy and accessible ways to go astray the straight and narrow.

    But on the court? I never saw one Sampson player cheapen the game or play dirty. When you’ve come from difficult background, the IU basketball court was their comfort and a place they didn’t need the territorial expressions and false bravado. They played hard and they played together. They had the back of their teammate.

  25. oops…[lose[ their way.

    And I’m with Ben. It’s time to forgive. These weren’t murderers and violent thugs looking for street fights at off-campus parties. They were no different than many first year students experimenting and doing stupid things…They simply didn’t realize they had no safety net like most of privilege and loving arms. They had people that wanted them to fail. And by not giving one ounce our souls in attempting some form of understanding and vilifying all that lose their way, I see nothing of faith.

    And it also very wrong to act like it was a completely defunct group. There were good young men that played for Sampson…And I believe, for the most part, the rest are just as capable of good if they had solid choices in their pre-IU years with stable loving homes. What good is made of continually using their mistakes in this endless vilifying anyone that attempted to open some doors for kids that had always known them to be shut? It angers me.

  26. Po – if he had conducted himself in the exact manner he did at OK or at IU exactly 2 years after his suspension he would not have even received a slap on the wrist… So it would not be considered a debacle.

    Because Jim Crow laws existed in 1964 does that mean that drinking from any old water fountain is a “debacle”? In 1966 it wasn’t a debacle… It’s laughable that we had those laws in place…

    Like I said, when it comes to the other aspects of their “behavior”, if there were more institutional control at the time then I bet some of those things wouldn’t have gotten out of hand. A great deal of that responsibility lies at the feet of the athletic department to set standards and abide by them.

    As far as your 2nd point… I’m not so sure. That may be the current administration’s philosophy, but college administrations turn over every few years.

  27. DeAndre Thomas was not the life of any party. He was domineering, intimidating and physical many times at bars and restaurants. His idiot Coach allowed it to happen w/o regard. Some leader he was.

  28. That’s one..Maybe there’s another. Was Devan Dumes a model citizen? Stop the crucifixions. Do you think three hoodlums stomping on a kid to near death, shattering bones in his face, is domineering? That happened a few months ago on your IU campus. Care to comment on that stellar behavior of some drunken fools with close ties to prominent fans and coaches currently part of IU’s sports scene?

  29. You don’t get paid millions of dollars a year to be a college coach and then blame the problems you create for your employer by arguing that “no one stopped me from doing these things. Where was the institutional control to prevent me from breaking the rules.” That’s the mentality of a loser.

    While there may have been a lack of institutional control, the first line of defense has to be the head coach. That’s where the problem began. Sampson knew that he had to recruit kids with high character and decent academic skills to IU. He chose not to do that. He hurt his employer (IU), he hurt the fans, but most of all, he hurt the young men he was being paid to develop and coach. He pissed away a great opportunity.

  30. When Sampson was coaching I knew someone inside the program and pretty much everything Harvard just said was not true. Not even close. There was no “brotherhood,” in fact, just the opposite. There were the guys that wanted to do drugs and party and the rest that wanted work and win. There was a lot of tension between these factions.

    From a style perspective, Sampson’s teams were dull to watch. I went to the UCLA/IU 2nd round game in Sacramento and watched that team put up 13 points in the first half. It was the single worst basketball game I’ve ever watched.

    http://espn.go.com/ncb/playbyplay?gameId=274000013

    I think what he got nailed for was BS, though. Certainly the price Indiana paid for the error was a massive overreaction.

  31. So much for not beating dead horses. What else should we expect from Crean’s band of excommunicators? No surprise when Crean is still chasing dead horses in Ann Arbor seven years after he was given his lifetime dreamy job. When something is so treasured, why does it have to be qualified with such unimportant lowlifes that didn’t deserve what you’ve been entrusted? Why are you giving them back the stage? I often wondered the same thing with all the attempts to bring Knight back for halftime ceremonies, etc.

    This is your day, Tom Crean. The only “because” that matters is whatever you can cause to be.

  32. Nobody puts baby in a corner….

    Dirty Dancing on the tube tonight. Lord, I’ve always gotten way too much joy out of that one unforgettable line.

    So much judgmental nonsense from people thinking their perch higher in this world…I guess that’s why I love that scene. Spit in the face to those that want to cast shame on others rather than take a hard look in the mirror. To hell with the pompous and pious BS. Live and let live. Let go of using your own shame to make others feel undeserving of love and forgiveness.

  33. Po – I don’t pretend to know how Sampson dealt with the info he received on his players, or with those players once he received it… I do know what it’s like to be part of a college athletic department, both as an athlete and as a coach. I’m sure the politics are different at the highest levels and when large gobs of $$ are at stake, but I’m guessing there are lots of similarities too… Athletes spend a vast majority of their time at the athletic complex, whether it’s practice, training room, weight room, study hall, or just hanging out. There are lots of meetings with department personnel where expectations are set, from NCAA regulations, to institutional ideals, to classroom guidelines. They are surrounded by advisors and trainers and coaches and administrators and assistant AD’s… And there are eyeballs on them whether they are in the gym, the classroom, or the quad… It’s pretty rare that there are things that get back to the head coach that other people in the department aren’t also aware of. In fact there are probably lots of rumors that department personnel hear that never make it to the coach because they can’t be substantiated in any way whatsoever. It takes a village Po….

  34. They crucified themselves. I had nothing to do with their piss poor decision making and outrageous behavior. Their thuggery was done while wearing the honor of IU student athlete. Drunk and sober. And Sampson the Simpleton condoned it. Good riddance to the whole damn worthless bunch.

  35. “What good is made of continually using their mistakes in this endless vilifying anyone that attempted to open some doors for kids that had always known them to be shut? It angers me.”

    What good is made of continually using Crean’s mistake of running after the U of M assistant coach? Beating a dead horse? I would love to see H4H continually go after RMK for throwing chairs, choking players, humiliating reporters, fans, players, waiters, coaches, faculty, staff, ect ect ect.

    Nothing worse than hypocrisy, fault is inherent in all men (including Harvard) and so is forgiveness. Lets forget the past and move on gentlemen.

  36. And here I thought we loved Knight for humiliating reporters. And that uncultured and spoiled dweeb he grabbed the arm that resulted in the last straw of zero tolerance? Every town has their Steve Bartman’s…..Crean is now our Steve Bartman. He means well. He’s just completely clueless.

    In the whole spectrum of ugliness in college sports(need go no further than what was going on at Penn State), I think Indiana has little to be ashamed of when looking back at the career of Bob Knight and the fine young men he brought to Indiana.

    Knight would not wait seven years to choke Meyer. He’s not that puritanically twisted and emotionally repressed.

    I still fantasize of a day Knight returns to Bloomington…He steps out on the IU floor with a tool pack…a battery charged drill and set of 4 lag bolts. He bolts Crean’s chair to the floor…The crowd is roaring as he approaches Crean….Bobby firmly grabs Crean by the shoulders..XERO TOLERANCE!! flashing in red letters on the huge jumbotron above McCracken. Bob has that sneaky sarcastic grin as he thrusts Crean down into the seat. He grabs the microphone from Crean’s microphone holster and speaks to the masses. Church is in session and the basketball god has come to deliver us from evil:

    Three banners, a choking, and a chair…That’s how they sum up my career. Now you have four bolts, choking when thinking of banners, and a bolted down flying chair that I’ve secured just for you to discover it’s now safe to sit your nervous but down in. You’re almost me.

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