Texas big man Priller commits to Indiana

For the second straight week, Indiana and coach Tom Crean added an unknown piece of the puzzle to the 2014-15 Hoosier roster.

Tim Priller, a 6-foot-9, 210-pound center from Richland, Texas, verbally committed to IU on Saturday. Priller confirmed reports of his commitment with a Tweet, “Going to Indiana for basketball, can’t wait for what the future holds.”

Priller is unrated on Rivals.com and 247sports.com, but is listed as a two-star prospect via verbalcommits.com. The only offer the former two sites list previously is from Incarnate Word in San Antonio. Based on recent tweets from recruiting site TexasHoops.com, Priller is a face-up post with range from 15 feet to 3-pointers.

The stats provided on maxpreps.com bear that assessment out. Priller played in 29 games as a senior at Richland High School (19-11), averaging 17.2 points and 4.8 rebounds per game to go with 1.2 blocks. He shot 45-of-89 for 51 percent from 3 and 89-of-113 (79 percent) at the free throw line.

The Hoosiers still have one available scholarship remaining.

UPDATE: This is Dustin Dopirak. More on Priller follows.

The early NBA draft entry of Noah Vonleh, the graduation of Will Sheehey and the transfers of Jeremy Hollowell and Austin Etherington left Indiana in desperate need of help across the frontcourt.

The Hoosiers have had to dig deep to find players this late in the game, but they picked up a center in Jeremiah April of Arizona last week and on Saturday night added a power forward in Tim Priller of Richland, Texas. Neither of them were very well known and neither had a single star assigned to him by Rivals.com, but both of their high school coaches claim that they could be steals this late in the game.

Priller, a 6-foot-9, 200-pound senior, announced his commitment via Twitter. Richard Bacon, his coach at Richland, confirmed it.

In Priller, Bacon said, the Hoosiers not only got a player with height but one who could score. Bacon said he averaged 17.8 points per game last year and shot 51 percent from beyond the 3-point arc.

“He’s a stretch four,” Bacon said. “He can shoot, he can put it on the floor, and he can play with his back to the basket. He’s a lot like that (Frank) Kaminksy kid from Wisconsin, although that kid’s a little more polished and a little bigger in terms of length. But Tim can really play.”

Bacon said that Priller didn’t have many offers after a somewhat disappointing summer on the AAU circuit and most of the ones he did were either at low- or mid-major schools. Priller had also been a bit of a late bloomer, having entered high school at 6-foot-2, growing to 6-5 as a sophomore and 6-7 as a junior before hitting 6-9 as a senior so that was another reason why he wasn’t on the radar at many major schools. Bacon figured it would be best if Priller held out until the spring when many schools would be scrambling for size late in the game.

That worked out well after a strong senior campaign. When he committed to Indiana, he had attention from basically all levels of Division I. Arkansas and Miami (Fla.) were interested as were Texas Tech, Texas Christian and Tulsa. Illinois-Chicago, Colgate and Texas Arlington were also still in the game.

But when Indiana got involved, Bacon said, the process didn’t take long. Priller was actually born in Indiana, though he only lived in the state for six months before his family moved to Texas.

Bacon said he and IU assistant coach Steve McClain worked together at TCU when McClain was there in the mid-90s and Bacon informed him that he had a player he could use. He said IU assistant Tim Buckley went to see Priller first, and then Crean and McClain followed the next week.

“And then here we are today,” Bacon said. “He’s a Hoosier.”

The biggest step Priller needs to make, Bacon said, is putting on weight and strength. At 200 pounds, he’s a tad too skinny to be able to deal with Big Ten players inside. Bacon said he also needs to get better defensively all around. He averaged around two blocked shots per game in high school, but at that level, a 6-foot-9 player can dominate.

“There are faster and more athletic kids,” Bacon said. “We were able to hide him down low and just run people at him. Some of that will get exposed in college. So that has to get better, but he’s going to work hard, and get better at whatever he has to improve on.”

But Bacon believes that when he puts the weight on, he can be a force offensively.

“Once he puts that weight on and gets command of it, he’s going to be virtually unstoppable,” Bacon said. “He can score. He can just flat out put the ball in the basket.”

81 comments

  1. Have to give credit to chronic hoosier for one of the funniest tweets I have read in a while. Anyway…

    Crean’s butt is even more on the line with these recent recruits. Maybe he is always the smartest man in the room. Let’s hope so.

  2. Crean is in Oprah mode. You!re getting a scholarship, he’s getting a scholarship, we’re all getting schooooolaaaarshiiippps!!!!!

    PB

  3. Hmmm. I don’t enough info to really have a strong opinion on this, but I’m not sure I really understand the purpose of this offer. I get trying to take a chance on a guy like April, whom they had been scouting for quite a while prior, but this one just seems odd.

  4. Wow now crean has one left to give. Lets see if he can find another hidden gem two star recruit! Make sure he is a stretch player though because clearly we dont need post help.

  5. It seem really odd. Basically it says he is not strong enough to play in the post. So I guess we are going to have five guys stand behind the three point line and jack up shots all game long. Things are not well in bloomington.

    1. PB,
      No Ivan Renko, but maybe there’s still a T-shirt to be made.

      Jeremy S,
      One scholarship, and Cunningham has not decided. I believe the word was he was adding a visit to DePaul this weekend and delaying his decision yet again. It would seem IU has little chance with him at this point. Since his initial decision date, he’s visited South Carolina, St. John’s and DePaul, while Bradley still is in the hunt.

  6. “Bacon informed (McClain) that he had a player he could use.” Not exactly a ringing endorsement, but hopefully it’s just a matter of a kid growing faster than his inside game can develop. I guess time will tell.

    I’m no doctor, but it seems like he may still have some growing to do, too, which would make it even harder to add bulk. The rebounding numbers are not good for a guy who’s probably a half-foot taller than most of his opponents, but I like the shooting numbers. Welcome to Bloomington, Tim.

  7. This is ridiculous. I can see saving one scholarship for a project (Jurkin), but come on. I realize its late in the game, but are we relegated to only picking up 2 star recruits? I hope April and Priller work out, but this is Indiana. We’re better then this.

  8. And again with Crean this is what to expect.There are some kids who fly under the radar and become great players…but those are very rare.It seems like that is all Indiana can salvage now…players no other schools want.Cunningham is considering DePaul…St.John’s and Bradley over Indiana??? This is where we are at Indiana…get use to it.At least we can know with what we are getting and have no NCAA tournament again next season and then no more Crean.

  9. How far we’ve fallen. Like a dog looking for the scraps under the table after everyone else has left the table. Not a knock on the two guys…if you’re that level of player and Indiana calls you jump. But still embarrassing when you consider our history. Speechless.

  10. Austin Etherington was a world class athlete compared to this signee.

    Very scary times for IU hoops….Very scary times.

  11. Saw some of his footage. I can see why he only averaged 4.7 rebounds, which is way too few for a player that is 6’9″. He looked very weak and slow playing against those AAU players. He does seem to have a good shot for a big man, but we already have that in Hoetzel for this class. You need strong defense and rebounding as well to compete in the Big Ten. I’m not sure if our two latest tall 2 star recruits will help in those areas.

  12. IF he had any value,Im sure Larry Brown at SMU would have offered.Richland texas is a town of about 300 ,south of dallas about 70 miles.Univ of Houston with Sampson would have offered him a scholarship if he had TRUE value.Too many schools around here to have ignored him IF he isnt a project. TCU,Univ Texas,SMU,Univ Houston,Lamar,even Univ of Oklahoma about 3 hrs north.
    Josh Cunningham from what I have read seems headed to Bradley;family pressure to stay close to home.

  13. He does share the same last 4 letters of his last name with Zeller. Prillerpalooza!!!!

    Try to say AprilPrillerPerea ten times real fast. Everything hinges on tongue twisters for Don Fischer.

    Perea has an enormous wing span. Goes without reason we needed to find a pro-priller…?

  14. This 2014 is still a top 20 class in the country, but at one time it would have projected much higher when Trey Lyles was a commit. I wonder if Trey regrets his decision a little now that UK’s frontline looks crowded since they’ve had a few coming back for another year.

  15. See the guard keep passing him the ball in the corner? He is a shooter. Scored 2 baskets in about a minute. Had as many poor plays on D as he had good. Being criticized on here just as Sheehey, Oladipo and Hoetzel have. Punjab said it 1st, there is more physical growth left in his future. The training table, weight room and Je’ney Jackson are going to be his best friends for the 1st year in Bloomington.

  16. Indiana needs a strong inside presence for this coming season and right now they do not have it. April and Priller are lightly recruited projects. Perea is a fringe talent at this time. Davis is undersized. Many potential recruits are bypassing Indiana for lesser know basketball schools. Nevertheless Cunningham and Gant are still available as well as many transfers. Crean really needs to land one of these players. If he can, this recruiting class could be very interesting.

  17. Doesn’t the prospect of redshirting come to anyone’s mind? Right now at only 200 lbs for his height, Yogi’s backdraft on a drive to the basket will knock him over. But, give him a year of practice and putting on weight and muscle and who knows.

  18. On April 1, 2014, most Indiana fans felt that Coach Crean needed to add 1-2 Bigs to the roster for 2014-15 in order to be competitive and to make the NCAA Tourney and to compete for the top of the B1G. Coach Crean and his staff DID this with Tim Priller (6’9) and Jeremiah April (7’0)! Everyone knew that these Bigs would not be Rivals top 150 ranked players. Indiana is now ready to compete for the highest level of college basketball. They may succeed or they may fail. But there is no doubt that they can compete! I really like that both recruits appear to be excellent kids and very good shooters, not just “big bodies”. I am very happy to support and to cheer for next year’s team. Now Coach Crean needs to coach them up and WIN now! Age, youth, inexperience is no longer a valid excuse for loses. Coach Cal at KY (I hate saying anything good about them) has shown that it can be done with freshmen and sophomores. So Indiana needs to DO IT!

  19. How did Crean get to this point. The key to winning in the Big 10 is defense. Do IU fans really believe anyone of these two new recruits can defend next season?

    Think of how other in state kids feel who Crean passed on for these out of state kids. Indiana high school competition is much higher than these two kids played.

    The downward spiral continues. “It’s Indiana”

  20. Pessimism seems to be spreading through some Hoosier basketball fans like a virus with every story released by the Scoop. One disappointing season and some of you have become defeatists (I suspect you’ve been that way for a long time, but this recent season just gives you cover for vomiting up all your bile in an open forum). I had to laugh at some of the above comments criticizing Crean for this recruit (so much for Hoosier hospitality). They sounded a lot like comments made after the news that VO and WS committed to IU. No big basketball programs wanted those two kids either, but they worked out pretty well for IU.

    What’s funny is that some of you actually place faith in the rating systems and believe you know better than IU’s coaching staff, men whose jobs depend on their ability to recruit and develop good basketball players. You’re looking for saviors. Here’s a news flash for you guys, there are no saviors. No one or two High School players are going to come in and turn IU basketball into a perennial final four program in one year. One would think that you’d have figured that out by now.

    IU is not Kentucky or UConn. Our players actually have to arrive with a certain level of academic ability and then go to class and pursue a real degree. That alone is going to exclude many top High School basketball players from considering an offer from IU.

    Give this kid a break and let’s see how he grows and develops over the next two seasons. Way back when, before many of you were born or old enough to say the word “basketball,” Bob Knight recruited this tall, skinny, clumsy kid who many of the so-called “experts” did not think was good enough to play for IU. His name was Kent Benson. Two years after he first stepped on the court at Assembly Hall, a lot of his former critics were taking credit for helping recruit the big man to IU. This kid may or may not become a solid player for IU, but if he does, please be careful when jumping on his bandwagon.

  21. I hate to bust your bubble Podunker, but Kent Benson was Mr. Basketball in Indiana and highly recruited. Comparing him to our newest recruit is ludicrous, as is comparing Sheehey and Oladipo, as both had numerous major Division I offers.

  22. It’s amazing that, with such an outpouring of supportive comments from the “fans”, that EVERY recruit doesn’t want to play for Indiana. I know that if I were the one being recruited, and I saw this message board, I’d be saying “get me some candystripes!!”

    Chill out, Chicken Littles.

  23. How did we go from #1 team in the country with two five nba picks to this is just over a year. It is simple amazing how far we have fallen and how fast we have fallen. No bigs want to play for us. Sad times.

  24. We have been consistent over the last few years on recruiting top 100 players(Eriic Gordon, Watford, Yogi, Zeller, Blackmon) which I think is a good sign for the future. We’ll never be able to recruit the classes like UK, Duke or Kansas just because of their history of producing NBA players. it’s all about getting to the next level for these young stars. But, if the age limit is raised to enter the NBA is increased to age 20 then that will help distribute the recruiting of the top players, so the UK’s don’t get 4 or 5 McDonald’s all- Americans every year. At least that’s what I’m hoping happens to help college basketball get back to the level of the 80’s and 90’s.

  25. I have no idea if this kid can ever play at IU, but I will say that he went to HS in the same conference I played in at Grapevine. It’s a very tough 5A conference and has produced a ton of college stars and a few NBA players. 18 PPP is nothing to sniff at in that area and there are plenty of guys his size and more athletic he’d be going up against on a nightly basis.

    His story reminds me a bit of my teammate James Penny, who played JV with me as Soph’s and was buried on the bench as a 6’1″ guard. Then he grew 5″ over the summer and was a 6’6″ wing with decent guard skills, but awkward body control as a junior… He finally figured it out and was starting by late in our junior year on good varsity team. By the time our senior year rolled around he was a solid 6’7″ wing with perimeter skills and decent athleticism (he also had a 7’4″ wing span and 7″ fingers which helped) and averaged a little over 20 ppg.

    Billy Tubbs recruited him to TCU where he ended up starting all 4 years (as freshman alongside Kurt Thomas who led the nation in scoring and rebounding). Point being, James never had a star next to his name and no offers going into his senior year. The recruiting services and AAU were way different back in the early 90’s, but he never would have made anyone excited had he been in today’s environment. He just grew into his body, kept his skills, became coordinated and stronger over time, and all of a sudden was an above average major conference D1 player.

    Hope this guy turns out the same…

  26. How did we get this far down?? Let me remind you that Crean and Co. thought they had Goodluck coming to IU but he went to UNLV. Big men that were transferring and being recruited by IU ,,,,,1 went to Mich. State and the other went to OSU ..so we fans get the chance to see what we missed.after seeing videos of him playing,the team he played on liked pushing the ball up court but he is no where to be seen.It will take all 4 years with Strength Coach to even come close to BIG 10 body.I think someone was being generous when they listed his weight at 200.

  27. No Big recruit went to MI St! A 6’8 unranked kid decided against MI St and IU to go to GA. My impression is that both April and Priller are better recruits than that kid for IU!

  28. You honestly thing April and Priller are going to come in and play meaningful minutes? This is getting beyond ridiculous. Are program has fallen and has fallen fast. Having two top four NBA draft picks has done nothing for recruiting. Anyone who thinks next year is good is living in some sort of fantasy land.

  29. Go ahead and tell me this is old news, but I just saw it. Jeremiah April’s Twitter announcement from April 18th: “I OFFICIALLY COMMIT TO THE UNIVERSITY OF INDIANA!”
    Wow, the apocalypse is officially here!

  30. My mistake on the “transfer” it was a straight recruit that IU thought had upper hand: Marvin Clark 6’8 220

  31. Valavicius, I have the suspicion that you are either, 1. Someone from the same family still bitter over not doing much over your two years at IU, 2. Someone using the Valavicius name as a way of showing you still have the ‘Indiana’ fish bone stuck in your throat or 3. you are Valavicius and, reading the post above, you know exactly how I felt when I read you were coming back for a second year at Indiana: “Wow, the apocalypse is officially here!”

  32. We should neither get too high nor too low about our recruits. You can have unbelievable talent and do nothing with it, or you can have a collection of also-rans who mesh well and reach great heights. Chances are, we’ll be somewhere in between.

    Remember how excited you were about some of our recent recruits? A lot of highly-ranked- or at least highly respected– recruits that were supposed to be our shining light and symbolized our return to prominence. How’d those work out for us? A couple bolted for the NBA. A couple had some good moments, but never came close to fully realizing their promise before transferring, Some may never materialize into what we thought or hoped they’d be. The jury’s still out on others. And then of course there’s those we scoffed at that turned out to be real studs.

    We don’t know. Nobody really knows. But how about we give these guys a chance before we label them as saviors or duds– and make judgments on those that recruit them in the process– before they ever step foot on the court?

  33. TTG, remarkable, as you have once again proven your omniscience. You are correct on all three!

  34. Valavicius… can not be, you have to chose, notice the ‘either…or’ in my comment. Please comply with the standards of the language, you have to make a choice.

  35. choose…choose…choose…choose…choose…choose…choose…choose…choose…choose…choose…choose…choose…choose…

  36. I think our best chance for our coaching staff to be upgraded is for the NBA to come calling. It is not that far our of reach to think Crean would go pro like his 2 brother-in-laws. He runs an NBA offense, if there is such a thing. He’s a perfect fit for up & down chuck up shot after shot style of play. We watched it this year as proof.

    And these reference to “Crean only having 1 bad year…”….. Please check your facts by checking his near .500 record.

    This upcoming team will be a bit better than this year’s. We might go 18-14 or 19-13, just because Blackmon can fill it up.

    Crean & IU have fallen into the 1 & done megastar recruiting philosophy. Then fill up your bench with guys who don’t and can’t play. But UK does it and gets 5-star recruits. Everyone else tries, including Coack K. But his system has flaws with so many 1 & done recruits. This philosophy flies in the face of what we IU fans were weaned on. Fill the team with good players, that go to class and work hard to be better for 4 years. That adds system stability and gives you identity. Our identity right now is unknown and nobody cares.

  37. Indiana does not have 7 or 8 lottery picks and never will.
    Watch the movie hoosiers thats whay indiana is about.
    So get over it and enjoy the good times.

  38. IU needs post players who can give them productive minutes and defend. Are these the players who can do that? Only time will tell. Next year the luxury of landing and developing project players will disappear. There will no longer be time for that without a competitive Big Ten Season and a NCAA bid.

  39. Garbo if you will remember also in the movie “Hoosiers” ….the townspeople were going to ride Gene Hackman’s character out on the rail,not unlike in reality .

  40. RAM; you asked the wrong question in #43. You should have asked, “Will these players become the post players that can provide productive minutes and defend?” That’s the key point. It’s not what they are now, it’s what they will become in the next two or three years.

    It seems like the most ardent critics of IU recruiting are those that expect every IU recruit to be the next George McGinnis.

  41. Ranger 67, you didn’t burst my bubble, you helped make my point. I was fortunate enough to watch Kent Benson play in High School. And I met him a few times on IU’s campus. I was a huge fan and supporter of Benson and thought that he, as much as any other player on that team was the reason IU was the undefeated National Champion in 1976.

    My point was, as heralded as Benson was coming out of High School, many ardent Hoosier fans and some so-called experts did not think Benson could ever live up to the standards established by guys like George McGinnis, Steve Downing and Jobi Wright. Many expressed their doubts at the time, although there was no forum like the Hoosier Scoop to express themselves the way so many of Crean’s critics do today. I was there.

    It’s interesting to note that while McGinnis, Downing and Wright may have better better players and/or athletes when compared to Benson, the IU teams they played on were not as successful as the IU teams Benson played on.

    As for VO and WS, I think you’ll find that while they did receive offers from major programs, most, if not all of those offers came after Crean and IU first offered them scholarships.

  42. Podunker,
    I clearly wrote “only time will tell”. This coaching staff has had good luck with big men who were ready to play right out of the box.Not so much where some assembly was required.

  43. Podunker, that’s a sickness with you isn’t it. You can’t be positive about something or someone without feeling the need to tear something down behind it, can you. I’ll happily grant your point, Kent Benson was a hell of a player in the pivot and a major (not sole, not principal) reason Indiana won the championship that year (and one hell of a guy).

    But, you need to remember that Downing in particular became one hell of a leader and was an absolutely insurmountable defender as well (I am not trying to lessen him in comparison). George Mc Ginnis became a legendary NBA player- the only reason he was not considered THE legend of his era was because Julius ‘Doc’ Irvin shared the spotlight. Benson had the advantage of being on a better ‘team’ and a mark of a ‘better team’ is that they make the individuals on it better than they would otherwise be (you probably want to include Ray Tolbert in that comparison. Ray was charged with and delivered a much improved/better Landon Turner than we would have seen…so it comes down to teams, not individuals.

    My point is that I share your admiration of Kent Benson, without the need to demean any of Kent’s team mates. He would probably say the same thing to you. So, Podunker my friend and fellow traveler (as a Hoosier fan), please…just bask in the sunshine of being a Hoosier without giving in to the temptation as so many others on this blog do to give in to the compulsion to point out non-existent or far away dark clouds.

    Enjoy being a Hoosier.

  44. Downing carried the ’73 Hoosiers on his back in a storied run that catapulted Knight into the headlines of instant notoriety and a Final Four. Downing was not a recruit of Bobby Knight. Who knows if Knight and the Hoosiers keep the momentum of the solid recruits that would follow and build the dominant teams to come…?

    And in the head-to-head against Walton(the most heralded post player of the era playing for the coaching god of the day, John Wooden)at the Final Four, the 6′-8″ Downing came in his candy stripe warm-ups to that biggest stage with zero awe of the big “unstoppable” redheaded 7-footer from California. Downing proceeded to outperform Walton, propelling the Hoosiers back from a 16-point deficit, until a horrifically bogus whistle fouled him out. Both players, Downing and Walton, had four fouls and the ref completely and honorably fulfilled his Establishment duties by handing the game to UCLA. Rather than let the two marvelous talents play it out, only whistling the obvious foul in the final minutes, the ref made sure Wooden and Walton would survive. Walton’s preachy big mouth and drool-fest over Wooden has never shut up since.

    I would have loved to see Downing coach the candy-stripes. He is a teacher of values on how to represent Indiana and yourself with dignity while still bringing a warrior’s heart every time you step onto McCracken.

    Downing made it clear that he sees athletes as students first. “My philosophy embraces at the core, the university’s commitment to the complete human development of the young men and women who wear the jerseys of their sport,” Downing said. “This includes developing the life skills that address academic, personal, social, and career components.” Downing also commented that he firmly believes that all students (athletes and non-athletes) are part of the Marian University experience, “Yet even more so, they are part of a larger community of Indianapolis, of Indiana, and of the world.

    Benson likes to tear up tickets. I wonder if he’s tearing him up over the recent displays of Hoosiers not representing the Bloomington community and the candy stripes with utmost class and dignity…? Downing won’t tear up tickets. He leads by a quieter truth and believes all young men can be led down a path of dignity. As he proved on a Final Four stage, it’s not about the scoreboard in life. It’s not about chasing villains. It’s about putting your money where your mouth is(or humbly isn’t). It’s about dignity and the community aspect of sports. It’s about demanding the best of yourself and letting it shine upon that wonderful jersey you are honored to wear.

  45. Downing carried the ’73 Hoosiers on his back in a storied run that catapulted Knight into the headlines of instant notoriety and a Final Four. Downing was not a recruit of Bobby Knight. Who knows if Knight and the Hoosiers keep the momentum of the solid recruits that would follow and build the dominant teams to come…?

    And in the head-to-head against Walton(the most heralded post player of the era playing for the coaching god of the day, John Wooden)at the Final Four, the 6′-8″ Downing came in his candy stripe warm-ups to that biggest stage with zero awe of the big “unstoppable” redheaded 7-footer from California. Downing proceeded to outperform Walton, propelling the Hoosiers back from a 16-point deficit, until a horrifically bogus whistle fouled him out. Both players, Downing and Walton, had four fouls and the ref completely and honorably fulfilled his Establishment duties by handing the game to UCLA. Rather than let the two marvelous talents play it out, only whistling the obvious foul in the final minutes, the ref made sure Wooden and Walton would survive. Walton’s preachy big mouth and drool-fest over Wooden has never shut up since.

    I would have loved to see Downing coach the candy-stripes. He is a teacher of values on how to represent Indiana and yourself with dignity while still bringing a warrior’s heart every time you step onto McCracken.

    Downing made it clear that he sees athletes as students first. “My philosophy embraces at the core, the university’s commitment to the complete human development of the young men and women who wear the jerseys of their sport,” Downing said. “This includes developing the life skills that address academic, personal, social, and career components.” Downing also commented that he firmly believes that all students (athletes and non-athletes) are part of the Marian University experience, “Yet even more so, they are part of a larger community of Indianapolis, of Indiana, and of the world.(courtesy: Marian University Athletics)

    Benson likes to tear up tickets. I wonder if he’s tearing him up over the recent displays of Hoosiers not representing the Bloomington community and the candy stripes with utmost class and dignity…? Downing won’t tear up tickets. He leads by a quieter truth and believes all young men can be led down a path of dignity. As he proved on a Final Four stage, it’s not about the scoreboard in life. It’s not about chasing villains. It’s about putting your money where your mouth is(or humbly isn’t). It’s about dignity and the community aspect of sports. It’s about demanding the best of yourself and letting it shine upon that wonderful jersey you are honored to wear.

  46. Sorry for the double post….I was getting a weird HT security check page popping up. Must be Price engaging the “put Harvard on hold” button again.

  47. Trivia Note: Could be wrong, but I also believe Steve Downing is the only Hoosier to ever record a triple-double(points, rebounds, assists).

    And to think Downing and McGinnis came out of the same class from the same Indianapolis high school…Wow..just..wow. Can we imagine how they would have spanked every team in the land(beyond Wooden and the redheaded blabbermouth at that ’73 Final Four) if McGinnis would have stayed?

    It would have been akin to Blake Griffin(McGinnis) paired up with Noah Vonleh(Downing).

  48. Geoff-

    Found some clips on the history of the ABA that I thought you might enjoy….(McGinnis’s story can be found at the 8:39 mark of Part 3).

  49. Tsao, W-T-F are you talking about? Did you even read my posts on this string? If I didn’t already know your character, I’d be really embarrassed for you. How the heck can any reasonably cognitive adult construe my comments as “tearing something down behind it.” I was not tearing anything or anyone down! In fact, to anyone with fourth grade level reading comprehension it should be obvious that my comments were praising McGinnis, Downey, Wright, and Benson. Those IU legends were my heroes!

    I was not tearing any former IU player or team down. I was defending them, as I am now defending the latest IU basketball recruits and the teams that they will play for. The point of my comment #24 was to inform some of the younger Scoop subscribers criticizing Crean and IU’s latest recruits is that some Hoosier fans, back in the day, were not real excited by Kent Benson signing with IU. As if those morons were better judges of basketball talent than Bob Knight! Like some of Crean’s critics who have made disparaging comments about IU’s two most recent recruits, some of the “experts” back then were unfairly comparing Benson to the three great IU big men who preceded him at IU. My point, for those of you who are cognitively impaired, is that many of the so-called experts did not feel Benson could fill the shoes of players like McGinnis, Downey and Wright. They were totally wrong, and in fact, as we now know, Kent Benson developed into one of the all-time great IU players and was instrumental in helping his IU teams achieve great success. My point is, based on rankings and unfair comparisons to their predecessors, many so-called experts have been terribly wrong about some IU recruits who turned out to be great contributors to IU’s success. My point was, let’s welcome these new IU recruits and give them a chance to reach their potential under the guidance of IU’s coaching staff. They might turn out to be IU’s next great player.

  50. Tsao, it may be starting again. I think you were doing some “projecting” when you wrote, “that’s a sickness with you isn’t it.” Maybe you should take another, longer break from posting comments on the Hoosier Scoop so you can address some issues and recover your equilibrium. I’d hate to see you start accusing Scoop participants of being “terrorists” and “traitors” again.

  51. Harvard, I knew Steve (and George)when he (they) was at Washington H.S.(Indy) and playing for Jerry Oliver. They had a team mate named Winkler (a year or two oolder) who became a star (and all-Big Ten, I believe) at Purdue, and another player name Larry Highbaugh who was a 9.3 (yards) 100 dahs man and set the IU 100 yard dash record at Indiana. They could have beaten all but the top 20 or so college teams in the country. Oliver was one hell of a coach and Downing and McGinnis followed him to IU. But, when the change was made and Knight hired after some disastrous seasons (not unlike the present record), Oliver lost his job as well.

    To this day George says he wishes he had stayed but with his dad dying in a work accident, George had to take care of his mom and family and moved on to the NBA. Downing (and, he’ll tell you the same thing), really benefitted from his relationship with Knight; not only basketball wise (RMK transformed him into a complete and aggressive player), but academically and as a person. You could see the person that Steve became coming out in leaps and bounds. Prior to that, Steve did seem to exist somewhat in George’s shadow. George, equally became an outstanding person, adult and entrepreneur. It really made everyone who knew and loved them very, very happy to see them conquer life.

    By the way, Oliver was also a good person and influence on both; and Watson was a good guy who cared one heck of a lot about his plaers. Don Luft, another great person and a former IU player, was the other assistant to Watson. And, Bill Orwig’s choice of Knight was nothing but inspired at a time when few knew of Knight, a twenty-something coach (youngest in the country, I believe) at West Point. Orwig also chose John Pont, from Miami of Ohio, as the IU football coach when IU had gone through another couple of decades with nothing but losing and an NCAA probation. After a couple of losing years, Pont took IU tothe Rose Bowl and the national fifth-place ranking. We lost the Rose Bowl game to Southern Cal and a halfback named OJ, who is now serving like 2300 years for trying to rob some of his own memorabilia (although, probably for slicing filet out of his ex-wife and her lover).

    Somehow, this would all make a remarkable “The Mean Streets of Bloomington, Indiana” TV series. We won’t mention the female characers because some of them may be teaching English or Math or sitting in as Associate Deans or hanging out at Dunn Meadow still hosting ‘couple-picnics’ under a blanket.

  52. “Downey”…Not to be confused with the the actor, Robert Downey Jr.(not one of the legends once my childhood heroes), that also once played a sloppy game of center for the Virginia Squires.

    Tsao- This guy makes stuff up.

  53. And to compare any of the recent post player recruits to the level of talent in Benson, Downing, Tolbert, Turner, Henderson, Haston, White, Zeller, Vonleh, etc, etc, etc., or any center Knight/Watson/Davis ever recruited is ludicrous.

    Thus far, Crean has landed one legit center.

    These guys are beyond projects. Dipo and Sheehey don’t belong in the same comparisons of development. These guys had less body size and frames to coordinate/develop and they came with far more quickness and basic skills already in their games.

    Post play is so extremely vital to success. It’s not often found that you have the multiple of luxuries to exchange and experiment as with wings and guards. It is the anchor in the middle and it’s very risky for a coach to keep such a position filled with the extremely raw.

    We have already witnessed many bloggers claiming are highly skilled All-American centers were not unitized to truly exploit opponents and make use of their full array talents. They played through the inferior coaching development or their position. Hard to imagine that the post play could get more underutilized. In many respects, I guess it won’t matter with these extremely raw projects when considering how much the talent at the anchor position from the last three years has been soundly wasted.

  54. Podunker, I think my point then and my point now is that you have a proclivity to carry a sharp edge instrument under your cape that you sometimes and unexpectedly use, when there’s no need to do so and it is unexpected, especially under the guise of a handshake. You may be the only guy who can ‘support someone’ and ask for their firing in the same post, sometimes the same paragraph, the same sentence, the same breath.

    “It’s interesting to note that while McGinnis, Downing and Wright may have better better players and/or athletes when compared to Benson, the IU teams they played on were not as successful as the IU teams Benson played on.”

    In recentr weeks I read posts from you which vehemently defend CTC and, then, literally say, “…if he doesn’t do better next year, then I’ll be the first to ask for his firing”, (not textual, but almost so). I remember thinking, “oh! oh!, and so it begins”.

    (I’m sure you’re aware I’ve never apologized for the characterization I made then…; my point being that loyalty is not something you condition or move in and out with the changing of the seasons. In my world; it exists and is…period. Everything else, any hesitation or qualification, renders it absolutely meaningless).

  55. Tsao-

    You nailed it. You absolutely nailed it….And you didn’t even need to label it with an acronym for a disease, or call him a moron, or idiot. You do have the gift. And you certainly understand the tactics. Sharp as a tack.

  56. Speaking of high school coaches and not sure how to make a sports connection of the following. But, Martinsville High School has a team (Academic Decathlon). This team just returned from their National Championship. They did not win, but received 5 individual gold medals. Coach Wayne Babbitt has now won 17 straight state titles & competed in 17 Nationals. He may not be as famous as fellow Martinsville grad John Wooden (got the sports connection in), but what would his potential be if he was a football or basketball coach with that record?

  57. This all started when Chaney left . CTC is a self centered control freak with little or no coaching skills. He at one time could recruit but that to has passed. He is the worst X and O coach since Mike Davis especially in the last minutes of game. Since then we have lost Fisher, Hollowell, Etherington ,and he pushed out Mo, Remy, Patterson as well. Then because of the Zeller years and he thought he could coach but in realty these guys were too good to screw them up until the last few games of the second season .We were totally unprepared to go any father than the year before with the same team. This is a coaching issue as well as not playing inside out with Zeller and Vonleh if the guards don’t go inside first then sit very simple.Then he tried to run with the big dogs and offered every 5 star in the country and continued to let good Indiana kids go to Michigan and Michigan State. He would have never got Vonleh without Kenny Johnson. Johnson has now seen enough of the program falling apart. IU. is in a very scary place right now. Crean’s buyout is keeping him here and the fact if they do fire him the recruits will bolt. he is now recruiting anyone who will say yes as a CYA for himself. We just went through a 32 game season with no sign of improvement which says it all. Recruiting Kids for 2015 will be very difficult with all the drama here and the future of the coach in limbo. Crean was on his way out at Marquette when we came along they are still laughing . CTC did a great job bring us back but where is that guy now? If he is anywhere near 17-15 he is gone baring a miracle. CTC is so caught up in himself he slept through Rick Pitino stealing his only chance of survival.

  58. There are actually people on other sites who really believe these two are going to come right in and play. I call it being delusional. We are hurting big time up front and if all you can average for rebounds at 6’9 in hs is 4.8 then yes you are a big time project. I think crean has really lost it.

  59. If he’s such a bad coach, then why would recruits “bolt” if he’s fired? I would think they would stay for the prospect of a coach with a higher b-ball IQ.

    Oh, almost forgot…It’s spelled Luke Fischer(with the ‘c’ just like Don Fischer).

    It’s Steve Downing(not Downey)
    It’s Jonny Marlin(no ‘h’)
    It’s Isiah Thomas(not Isaiah with the extra ‘a’ like the player that can’t compare from UW)

    Did Cody Zeller play at all in the Miami series? Just wondering because I just watched most of the second half and didn’t see Cody enter the game once for Charlotte. I did get to see MJ give Wade and LeBroney James big hugs at the end of the game.

  60. Benson was “very special” coming out of high school and not an obscure last minute recruit. He got New Castle to the Final Four at Hinkle in 1971 but ran into a very special East Chicago Washington team that had 3 players who had Division 1 Scholarships at ‘big time’ schools. Trgovich was considered the best player on that team and went to UCLA (played on 3 NCAA Championship teams but was never special on them); Stoddard was ‘All State’ in everything (quarterback included) and went to North Carolina State to play basketball and baseball (won an NCAA Basketball Championship with David Thompson and went on to a Major League pitching career) and Junior Bridgeman went to Louisville following that up with a very good NBA career.

    McGinness and Downing played for Indianapolis Washington in 1969 but to say that they could beat college teams is probably over reaching. If Gary Tolleston had 2 more minutes in the Final, they would have beaten Washington which had no answer in the 4th quarter for a team with no stars. Tolleston just had players with no fear. Obviously, I grew up in The Region.

    All of the above talent came out of Indiana. IU should be getting their latter day counterparts.

  61. Harv, I’d think that is generally true. However, sometimes a kid bonds with a coach for personal reasons and it is hard for them accept change. Personally, I’d rather have a coach that I didn’t get along with who can built a program that hangs banners, but some of these kids develop a father/son relationship with their coach.

    Case in point, when Mike Davis was let go, his players were pretty upset. In particular, DJ White and Robert Vaden were both crushed. DJ White was actually the most vocal about it. However, he stayed. Vaden didn’t. Instead of playing for Indiana and possibly going a couple of games deeper in the NCAA’s, he followed Davis down to UAB obscurity.

    Think Kelvin Sampson would have wanted Vaden in his first year?

  62. DD-

    Had a long night. Maybe I’ll come around to debate this with you when I’m less exhausted.

  63. Tsao, I think you take every opportunity to interpret comments you don’t agree with in the worst possible way and then continue to try to justify your unreasonable and irrational conclusions about their meaning. I believe you’re an intolerant and self-righteous man who remains angry that his mask was briefly pulled aside to reveal his true character. In the future, to avoid embarrassing yourself, you might want to take my words at face value and stop trying to assign motives to them. Either that, or just stop commenting on my comments, since you seem unable to do so without making personal attacks. It’s firmly established that when you can’t win the debate, you revert to personal attacks, assigning motives to peoples’ comments to justify your personal attacks. Your hypocrisy is so prevalent, it has become entertaining. Just to remind you, in the years that I’ve participated on the Scoop, no other person has ever posted a more vulgar, perverse and defamatory comment as you did when you accused me of being a terrorist, a traitor and questioned my patriotism. No other comment that I’ve read on this site, and certainly nothing I’ve ever written, comes close to achieving the level of corruption you demonstrated with that one post. So congratulations Tsao, you take the grand prize for hypocrisy and have established the “floor” for discourse on this site. Your refusal to apologize for that perverse attack, regardless of how you try to rationalize it, just confirms you to be a man of low character. Do you even recognize the irony of your comments implying that I have some type of sickness?

    But for the record, and just to be clear, my loyalty is to Indiana University. It’s first and foremost and it supersedes my loyalty to any coach, player, or administrator. My loyalty is for “the glory of old IU.” I am not loyal or disloyal to Tom Crean. I simply appreciate the effort he has put into resurrecting IU basketball from the ashes he found upon his arrival in Bloomington and recognized (back then) that the process necessary to rebuild IU basketball would take longer than most people believed it would. I also believe that progress and growth, for most individuals and many organizations, is not linear. Progress usually involves ups and downs, success and failure, and IU basketball has experienced both in the last three seasons. Last year’s disappointing season does not erase the success Crean’s teams achieved in the two preceding years. I don’t know whether Tom Crean deserves to remain IU’s basketball coach for the remainder of his working life or not, but I believe he has earned the right to continue on as IU’s coach for the next two or three seasons. Based on the success his teams achieved in two of the previous three seasons and his proven ability to recruit talented players, I believe Crean is a better judge of basketball talent than any person writing comments on this site. Therefore, I’ll welcome his new recruits and remain hopeful that they will develop into significant contributors to IU basketball’s success in the years to come.

    If someone interprets those statements as being disloyal, or as evidence of a “sickness,” that person is simply an imbecile.

  64. Can’t argue with your points Podunker. I’m glad I only gets Scoop updates through Facebook. Eliminates the garbage I read from Tsao and Harvard. It’s funny seeing Harvard latch onto Tsao. Now that Geoff clearly divorced himself from Harvard.

    Podunker, it’s clear you love the Hoosiers, and your country. Don’t let these two washed up idiots define who you are. I think your posts are tops, besides Geoff, DD and Punjab. It’s hilarious I can post on Facebook and never visit the thread again. It makes me laugh I can work Harvard up, promote arm pit sweating, and never know, because when I post, the feed is long gone.

    Thanks Dustin and Jeremy for making the alerts on Facebook possible. Eliminates much of the “bad breath” around here.

  65. Ben-

    It was never Harvard that paraded around on here in a disguise. Time to look in the mirror again.

    I don’t believe anyone on here is the “perfect” fan. Nor do I believe the constant condemnation of Tsao for a remark he made that all here fully know he did not mean in any literal sense. Was it inappropriate? Yes. Big effing deal. This site has nothing compared to most comment threads(other than the protectionism/censorship present on ITH). I went through months of a blogger from Vegas that was stalking me like a serial lunatic. His history was on another forum and it only took a 2-minute internet search to know how vulgar some people can be on other, less policed, sites. It’s really relatively civil here. Lay the hell off of Tsao. You have no justification to come on here waving your holier-than-thou flag thinking you’re any more moral or decent than the next guy. You’ve acted slimy by using fake names and stealing names. Not hard to leave yourself without critique when you can attack under false identity.

    All of you crucifying perfect human beings have listened to your leader/villain-chaser too long.

    I will continue to treat Tsao no differently. I think he has a good heart and I feel lucky to have received his support and trust. I have enough confidence in my perceptions to know a fraud from the real deal. Those that parade around as perfect human beings without any room for forgiveness need to relinquish such irreproachable flawlessness to the greater power that died for the sins they never commit. I have no problem with you loving Jesus. I’d just wish some of you would quit stealing the role.

  66. Hey Geoff. Well, we’ve had some 70 degree days down here at 8000ft and below so we’ve had the Triumphs out. The Four Corners area isn’t far and it is pretty warm. As far as the Forest Service roads up high and the dual sport bikes (KLRs), we’ve been able to take short rides but there’s still a good bit of snow over 10,000ft. It’s melting fast, but we still get night time dustings. More on the high peaks.

    Most of the the hiking trails are are starting to become passable in the Weminuche Wilderness. You can get in a few miles. We snowshoed the trails all winter but, as you might imagine, where the trail is cut into a cliff face in the summer, you’re not quite sure if there is anything but a long fall underneath all that snow in the winter. There is a certain learning curve up here.

    Fun story. One of my old IU roommates, and still a close friend, visited with his wife last week. Decided not to leave. Well, he’s actually packing up their house in Indiana (not that he’s ever there…in fact he said he hasn’t been there in 2 years) but he and his wife decided to buy a house about three miles from ours. He’s been consulting all over the world for the past 30 years and decided it’s time to do something more fun. This is a guy that used to live in Yellowstone, as did his wife whom he met there, as did his 6 brothers. Good times ahead.

    Ya’ll take care.

  67. Wilderness retreat” substituting in for “deluxe apartment”…..

    Cue the fly fishing hubby in the popular ED commercial. He’s stumbling around in the rushing river while awkwardly learning how to use his new pole. The wife sets the hook with a seductive glance to lure him in from the shoreline…Camera moves from the snowy mountain peaks that feed the waters to her gray flowing locks gently moving in the breeze in a mimicking dance of the current feathering through the rocks. Life is beautiful.

  68. Those guys with ED do live the good life…that’s for damn sure. They also all look to be a really fit and healthy 43 years old with smoking hot wives. They’re not having as much fun as those folks with genital herpes but they do okay.

    “Gray flowing locks?” I don’t think so. Those gals look about 35. A really good 35 at that.

    WTF happened to those guys to get ED anyway? Maybe they live next to a reactor or toxic waste site. They look too healthy to be smokers. At least they have nice second homes…a a magic little pill.

    It is pretty nice up here. Haven’t needed any pills but, hey, any port in a storm. So far, so good.

    Later.

  69. Chet- You still have the wonderful sense of humor. I loved the “any port in a storm” metaphor.

  70. On Peegs there is a new 4:03 video of Tim Priller to view. I must say if this highlight tape has him playing against the tough Texas 5A class competition Geoff spoke about then Coach Crean has a future shooter/scorer big man. He shoots inside, outside, some mid-range and tip-ins without fear. He displays a proclivity for offense, no bashfulness to handle the ball, work the boards or pass. It is a highlight video almost exclusively of offense. Enjoy.

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