Indiana falls to Ottawa, 109-101

SAINT-LAMBERT, Quebec — Both teams pushed the pace, traded leads and matched shots before Ottawa outlasted Indiana, 109-101 Sunday afternoon at Champlain Saint-Lambert College.

The Hoosiers are now 1-1 on their Canadian trip with a game against defending Canada Interuniversity Sport champion Carleton College set for Monday.

Troy Williams led Indiana with 27 points and James Blackmon Jr. added 20, but the Gee-Gees used a flurry of 3s to pull away. Ottawa connected on 18 of its 30 3-point attempts, with Johnny Berhanemeskel and Mike L’Africain each finishing with 27 points. Vikas Gill shot 7-for-8 from 3-point range, while L’Africain went 6-for-8 from beyond the arc.

Sunday saw the quickest pace of the two Canadian games, and it may have cost the Hoosiers late. Indiana went into the final quarter with a one-point lead, but was outscored 31-22 in the final 10 minutes.

More to come.

49 comments

  1. Really like the freshman amd how the soph have improved. This trip is such a catch 22. If the Hooisers win, they should have against Canadian teams. But if they lose it could hurt recruiting big time! All the coaches will tell recruits this is Crean’s last yr. can’t lose tomorrow.

    Can’t plan a trip this far out and not have Hanner.

  2. I would think the results of this trip would have 0 effect on recruitment. Conference results and tourney results will be what is remembered. And I hope that CTC uses the pre-conference to give all the guys experience, not just the first 7-8 players. All players should be battle-tested before conference play.

    And anyway, per a number of contributors here, telling recruits that CTC will be gone next year is a positive.

    With this trip up north, I’m more concerned about injuries that win/lose.

  3. This is a great trip to see what we have and what we can improve upon prior to the regular season. I couldn’t care less whether we win all or any of these games. Coach appears to be using this trip in the right way; finding out how the team and individuals will work and play together. Let’s not forget this is almost a totally new team from last season and quite young at that. I have been pleased with how they have played thus far based on the info I’ve been given. This trip is a learning one and if the team continues improving daily, we will be ok once the regular season hits. And doing as well without Hanner is even more impressive to me. We’re learning to play through some adversity and know what it’s like to play without Hanner which may happen this season due to foul trouble. Go Hoosiers!

  4. Actually playing w/o either big man. If someone big was clogging the middle I see even more positive results from this trip.

  5. I cannot determine from your monikers which of you are Fred Glass, who is a major financial donor, or who is on the Board of Trustees, not to mention which of you might be a recruiter. I was curious as to how you know so much about how it will affect recruiting and how it will affect Crean’s job.

  6. Never good to see a loss against exhibition teams, but I can certainly live with it if our focus was less on the W and more on trying different lineups, working out kinks, and getting a general sense of what each player’s role will be. Hard to do without two of our presumed primary big men, but it’s important to be able to play these lineups without consequence knowing that there will almost certainly be times when Hanner et al will be in foul trouble when it really counts.

    Troy’s stat line has certainly been encouraging. I wonder if it’s a matter of him simply being so much more physically gifted than our opponents, or if his game is really that much improved.

    18-30 on triples? Wow. Doesn’t matter who you play; that’s hard to overcome. It’ll be interesting to find out if that was mostly due to bad IU defense, our players not switching, blown assignments, trying new schemes, etc.— or if team Canada was just on fire and hitting every contested shot they threw up.

    And what happened to Yogi?

  7. 1) as far as affecting recruiting,Dustin pointed out the “wait and see’ers”,the fence riders. Actually could prove beneficial by showing what they can do without a big man,can almost promise playing time tio the right big man. Remember they are playing International rules, also remember Nick Stauskis and Andrew Wiggins both Canadian. Most international rules players learn to shoot the 3 like the “old School” Indiana High Schoolers..Rick Mount,Alford,Kyle Macy..etc. Punjab good question!!

  8. @Samuel P. Gaskins…..you said the magic words to all of IU’s bad hires….”Board of Trustees”… 🙂

  9. IU basketball for 2014-2015 is oh um forgetful season and currently no end in sight. IU will be trying to accomplish middle of pack status and the question will be will they or will they not get NIT bid. They are just not and will not be that good this year, next year or foreseeable future.

  10. I just don’t see that. It’s a toss-up right now, but if these guys get it together, we’ll see a better year than last year. With two practice games down and what – 90 days before the games count.

    I don’t know, but is it enjoyable to kick the kids, the coach and the program before they get a chance to show what they can do? Makes you feel better or what?

    Sorry, I’m so positive on this team. It’s what we’ve got to work with this year. So be it. Sounds like they could accomplish a lot and surprise everybody. Who knows – that’s where the excitement comes in.

    Can someone come up with a website for those Hoosier fans who hate the coach, and the AD, and the scheduling, and the team, and the color of the uniforms, and the logo’s on the court, and etc yet still say they are IU fans ?

  11. Correct we have a top B1G PG, 3 Sophomores who played extensively as Freshman, 2 Freshman who know the ball is round enough to go through the hoop, a transfer who is most likely better than anyone thinks and 2 big guys that will rotate to crash and defend the middle. + Hollowell is gone.

  12. Or, maybe, this is the website for the disillusioned & dissatisfied ?

    The marketing survey to read story – experience in 12 months with ‘Lovely Skin’.? Betting lot of no’s – ‘thick skin’ needed around here.

  13. This is probably the type of lineup you will see alot this season. With the foul trouble hanner seems to get into you will probably see alot of four guard lineups. How did the vaunted Time Priller do. Some were calling him the next Larry Bird earlier.LOL! Was he an animal.

  14. CTC HAS TO recruit a competent big man;otherwise the team will look like a bunch of middleschoolers playing against a high school.Against good teams the ball will either come back them fast than it went up or they will be playing “fast break defense” all night.The guards will have to use a range finder to be able to shoot.Either way it makes the team,coach,and program look foolish and incompetent;unable to execute ,and for sure out of their league. ALL of which will NOT help recruiting.IF you think Im blowing smoke,ask yourself ;”who wins in a game of 1 on 1 JBJ or his younger brother.

  15. If all of the critics of coach crean have so much understanding about basketball why are they not coaching at some high level program? I am tired of these attacks on a good man. Shut up.

  16. sure, he’s a good man. he just not a smart man. or a good basketball coach. so you shut up stupid head.

  17. Just great, now this forum has degraded into commenters yelling “SHUT UP” at each other.

    Can we at least agree that Crean is a POLARIZING figure?

  18. Tom Crean is definitely one of the best coaches in the country and the best in Indiana even when Brad Stevens was here. Evaluation Method: Highest paid public employee in state…He is doing remarkably well.

  19. Gonna be a great year. Only 18 days to wait for IU football and what, 100 days for basketball? Easy to say the interest and anticipation is high. And while I hate to see CTC slammed, thinking of him as ‘one of the best’ would be hard to say with a straight face. But did like the sarcastic approach ‘t’

  20. Even though some will say I’m a “hater”..Im far from it.IM TRYING to be objective in assessment.I use to box when I was much younger and ask anyone the 1 rule of boxing is a “good big man will always beat a good little man”.Keeping that in mind , the recruiting fence riders can go either way;1) There is an excellent support group in guards and small forwards;and I can get alot of playing time and help a good program.It can go the other way too,Crean has admitted this years team is even younger than last year;what this team,program cannot endure is the turnover rate of last year: 15.1/ game and keep the recruits interest.If the play is good and solid basketball ,even though we may lose games cuz of the frontline,the BIG recruits will see that.If the play is erratic and not fundementally sound,they will see that too.I THINK that this year is truly not that we win or lose but how well we play the game.

  21. NoMendacity, Just what observable behavior has CTC demonstrated that you would describe as “polarizing”?

    Please be specific.

  22. Hey Chet, how you be?

    TJ – thanks for the explanation. Well put & I see where you’re coming from.

    By the way, see that ‘Long Star Tick’? Makes you allergic to meat. Leave it to Texas.

    And, see next year (I guess 2016) final 4 in Indy. Could we pull a Butler?

  23. Hey Ron, I’m great. Been doing a lot of riding. Ruth and I rode the Triumphs up over Wolf Creek Pass a couple days ago. Outstanding. Last week we took the San Juan Skyway loop through Telluride, Ouray, and Silverton. Spectacular.

    Lots of time on the Forest Service roads on the KLRs, too.

    Life is good.

    ‘Leave it to Texas’? Isn’t that the truth?

  24. Chet- I was just in the CO Rockies for the first time last week. Did the Maroon Bells “4 Passes” loop out of Aspen. Stunning up there. The wildflowers…

  25. That’s a pretty spot, for sure.

    Our place is in Vallecito is at about 8000ft. The backyard is a river coming out of the Weminuche Wilderness about 500 yards away. Probably the most pristine surface water you can find. The Wilderness (or the San Juan National Forest that buffers it) surrounds our house on 3 sides.

    Come winter we really only have one other occupied house in the immediate ‘neighborhood’ (conveniently, it’s a couple that runs a motorcycle/ATV/snowmobile shop in Durango) even though the state does a great job of keeping the main road clear when it snows. I’ve come to love winter more than I ever imagined.

    There’s also a big ‘ol lake 2 miles back toward town.

    Durango is 29 miles away but remarkably different. It’s a couple thousand feet lower and much more arid. Really cool place, though. Lots of live music. Great eateries. College town.

    I’m actually closer to Flagstaff, AZ, than I am to Denver.

  26. Sounds good Chet. Did the ride on #550, Silverton (? I think) & Glenwood Springs to Aspen over Independence Pass and into southern Colorado. Spent a wonderful week camping near Deloris, Colorado. Dangerous place to ride, too much to look at. Have family in Aztec & Farmington NM. It’s been too many years and need to visit the area again, but you can’t see Colorado in a week or two. Need a month – at least. Enjoy.

  27. Things I noticed most about the West:

    -Cleanliness is not a priority.
    -The sky is not the deep blue I remember from childhood trips.
    -Pollution and wildfires have blanketed many spectacular views with a thick and cloudy haze.
    -A significant chunk of the Northwest is in the grips of one miserable and depressing drought.
    -By offering a much lower quality 85 octane fuel that very few cars can run on efficiently, gas companies setting up shop in the West have conspired to force the consumers’ hand into buying higher octane gas(89 octane) at higher prices.
    -Boise, Idaho is even more than what you’d expect out of Boise, Idaho.
    -Spokane is swallowed into an abyss of the quintessential American struggle to survive; a failed experiment of Westward push and pipe dreams, a place where souls forgotten and forever destitute wonder in sadness and hopelessness, without the opulence. plush beds, and wool carpets of the Davenport Hotel holding up the city.
    -Seattle is ‘Thug City, USA.’ Within 2-hours of my first ever visit to the downtown, my car was broken into. The thug/thugs shattered my back door window for the opportunity to get at very little. Absolutely zero police presence on the streets. No good samaritan cared to call the police on my behalf. No good samaritan cared to stop and ask if my family needed any help while we stood stunned at the piles of shattered glass.
    -Plan…plan….plan. Leave nothing to spontaneity. If you do not book your hotel room in advance, you will be at the mercy of fleabag establishments. Bratty hillbilly children of the local pickup truck gangs will be running and screaming outside your hotel room doorway for most of the night and the early mornings.
    -There is still indescribable beauty in the mountains and the forests. There is still rushing rivers. There is still wildlife that have found a place to live in the few national parks where their most protected and natural states of existence can flourish.
    -The world has shrunk because of the internet. The teeth of pretentiousness and snootiness have found the lonely mountain passes and the quaint places holding a beer, a bar stool, and a kind smile looking forward to your company are basically gone with tumbleweeds.

    Conclusion:
    -Road trips escape nothing. They discover little other than the fact that America is rotting from within. The rich have claimed the pockets of uniqueness. The hopeless thug and the Walmarts have seized the rest. I’ve come to believe that the severe drought making for foggy photos in hazy skies is a bitch slap in the face for the need of mega pixels in a $3000 Canon camera. It’s punishment to our humble eyes and peaceful smiles that once invited a tired traveler. It’s a form of an answer for the abandonment of the hope and inspiration the West once represented in our hearts.

  28. One last note…Hoosiers in Ottawa? Ottawhat necessity?

    This would be an excellent thread for “Steve in Ottawa” to make another appearance on Scoop. Slither around in the darkness and bust in through the glass comment box with all the same nameless cowardliness and brazen spit as the Seattle thug that broke into my car.

  29. Price & Miller…? Aren’t they the major partners of an Indy law firm?

    A Slovakian of the Establishment tribe forking a career path through the hills of Tennessee…? The world is definitely ending in one giant barbecue soon.

  30. There is a reason for the 85 octane gas. It is common because of the altitude. It has to do with the air/fuel ratio, and since the air is thinner, it gets less compression. Lower compression means you need a lower octane fuel.

    Running 85 octane in lower altitudes can cause pre-detonation and engine knocking, which can cause damage if run long enough.

  31. Harvard, a confusing trip summary, but a liked your point about the thugs.

    Seattle is thuggy (sorry about your car). You may not know this if you derive all your wisdom from internet “listicles” of the country’s “best places to live,” which are written mostly by liberal hipsters who consider mountain and ocean scenery to be the #1 priority in selecting one’s permanent home. The crime is high and the racial divide there is also pretty noticeable; you don’t see the same sort of mixed neighborhoods that you see in older cities. Cruise through the Central District and you might conclude that you feel safer in Chicago. This needs to be said. I’m not saying that is still isn’t a grand place to live, but people need to stop romanticizing.

  32. Guess you’re right about being terribly naive…Probably contributed to my car being broken into as well. Not much of an engine mechanic. Most cars warn of not putting anything less than 87 octane. I didn’t think about the science behind the altitude and air pressure/thinness differences effecting engine performance/requirements.

    So who needs the 89 octane in the regions with generally higher altitudes…? Do motorcycles still need the higher octane? And if you’re driving through the mountains and likely hitting lower altitudes on the same tank of gas, would you still go with the lower octane or play it safe with the higher grade?

    I never bought the 85 octane…Did I actually make my engine perform less efficiently by doing so? My gas mileage was still comparable(didn’t suffer at all while going through the mountains), if not better, than the mileage numbers I get in Indiana.

  33. Seahawk-

    Really wanted to hit your old stomping ground areas…just didn’t have enough time and the car break-in sorta took a bit of the wind out of our sails.

    The trip was still a great experience. We did some a wonderful horseback ride just south of Jackson, Wyoming…Had a great guide and Harv got to ride a monstrous horse that was the guide’s very own. Did some kayaking next to the Tetons and jet skiing on the Lake Coeur d’Alene/Spokane River…Bozeman, Montana was a very intriguing town…

    Thanks for your honest words…I didn’t feel very safe in Seattle. Then again, I’m just a very naive Midwesterner that doesn’t get out much.

  34. Oh…nearly forgot…Best damn wings I ever ate did happen in Seattle(the place we were at while the car was being assaulted). It was at a Korean fusion restaurant named Cha:n. I would go back in a rental car while packing heat just to experience those delectable crispy/spicy wings dusted in crumbled peanuts again. And our waitress was very kind and made great suggestions for the shared dishes..All of the dishes were beyond delicious.

    Talk more later. We also really enjoyed Rocky Mountain National Park. Got to see some beautiful Elk gathering at the peaks. Even saw a “pod” of males together which I understand is very unusual…

  35. Harv, there`s a number of factors, but cars that have high compression engines need higher octane which means more fuel the compresses before it goes boom. It is really about their design, so if you have a 90 car, dropping to 87 in higher altitude doesn`t make much sense.

    Lower compression engines aren`t as precise. Although, they are getting better. 85 gas has been around a long time out west. I’m sure most newer, lower compression engines could handle 87 at altitude now due to better distribution and cheaper computers. But why bother if it doesn`t matter. Cheaper and gets the job done.

  36. Sorry to hear about your break-in. Unfortunate Big City stuff. It isn’t particular to Seattle either. Here in San Francisco, I’ve had my car window busted, or back in the days of my Jeep, canvas sliced open a couple of times. Some people are just a-holes. In a city, there’s a lot of people. So stats tell you, the more a-holes in a dense population and you’ll run into a few. Some are quite stinky, too. The stats don’t tell you that, just your nose does.

    I love Seattle, I love SF. Comparatively, both cities are extremely safe. But stuff happens.

    I heard a great quote about Urban/Cities vs Rural/Suburbs. In the City you get fed up, in the sticks you get bored. Take your pick.

  37. Harv,

    Where did you horseback ride specifically? I’m headed out to climb the Tetons next week! Sounds like you had a lot of fun there.

  38. Double Down-
    It was a place called Iron Mills Ranch. It’s about 9 miles south of Jackson. We just took the 2-hour ride, but I believe they offer half day..and maybe even full day trips. They hike you up some pretty steep terrain and the views are spectacular. It’s my understanding that the longer rides involve more steep cliffs and are not suggested for first time riders or for those with more fears of falling to their death. The 2-hour ride was just enough for us…I hadn’t been on a horse for over 30 years. It was our daughter’s very first time riding. The horses navigate the narrow pathways to a very high overlook as they effortlessly tiptoe around boulders and through forest along the impressive climb..Our guide, Chancy, claimed that their excursion is rated as the 2nd highest rated in the nation. Chancy was a great guide(lots of tales and interesting tidbits about dealing with bears and wolves that enjoy the land you are sharing trails) with a personality as big as his horse.

    Iron Mills was definitely one of the highlights of our trip. And Jackson wasn’t near the tourist trap that I remember or anticipated. There are some very nice restaurants. Café Genevieve has a mac and cheese that is heavenly. Very tasty fried chicken as well.

  39. I’m not so naive as to understand there is good and bad everywhere. It was just crazy bad luck to have our first hours in Seattle come with a car break-in. And I was rather stunned by the flippant attitude of the police department and the lack of officers on the streets.

    Portland had far more police on walking beats along their streets…A very young vibe and a ton more life to the city than Indianapolis. I felt far safer in Portland than any visit to downtown Indy. Indy is just too dead(especially during weeknights) to feel any sense of comfort in strolling the streets.

  40. We also did something extremely nutty in the Tetons….I’ll save the story for another time since this is getting a bit disrespectful of IU Basketball and Scoop’s new energetic crowd captivated by the new regime.

    I’ve still not viewed Mike Miller’s ScoopTalk….Missing Dustin immensely. Not intended as a criticism…Just miss Dustin. Versatile and intelligent. He was a unique and very kind soul. He honestly made me feel as if he cared.

  41. Correction: Mill Iron Ranch(not Iron Mills Ranch)…They have a website. I see that they also do hunting trips. Sorta glad I didn’t know that ahead of time. Not really into the whole mounting of bear and elk heads above the fireplace. Having a gun in such an unfair advantage….One I’d certainly love to have against a charging grizzly or pack of wolves…Just not into hunting them down for the manly joy and bonding of an unfair fight/pursuit. I would prefer the sport of placing into the wilderness a handcuffed and unarmed coward that breaks into a family car with out-of-state plates in the sights of a hungry grizzly protecting its shrinking territory.

  42. Ron, I rode through Dolores last week on the way to Telluride. Another pretty spot.

    Not too thuggish here but, while some are better than others, I think you’re gonna find that kind of thing in most urban centers. First time I ever locked a door in Vallecito was about 6 weeks ago when the tourists showed up from Texas, NM, and Arizona. They were probably no threat but they just seemed eaten up with stupid. They seem to try to drown their children by leaving them unattended along bodies of water (had a 2-year-old drown a while back a couple house down when the parents left the eight-year-old in charge). It is not unusual to see Texans on boats wearing shorts, tee-shirts, and cowboy boots. All the were missing was big, red noses and orange hair. They drive 17 hours from Dallas, for God’s sake, because this is the closest place that isn’t a moonscape.

    Lots of Mormons around here. Contrary to popular belief, they don’t take that no alcohol, caffeine, etc., all that seriously. They DO tell their kids they do, however. I like them but I’d never join up…not that they’ve asked.

    I can walk out my door headed north, east, or west and not see another person for…well…a really long time.

    Between October and the end of June I may go days at a time without encountering anyone I’m not married to, except for the occasional weekend visitor checking on their summer home. I doesn’t take long before you get to know the full time residents. There’s a lot of interesting people along the county road including a woman who was on the 1964 Olympic ski team who can still kick anyone’s ass I know on the slopes.

    Our air and water is pretty pristine (I routinely drink from the river out back) but there are what I consider questionable resource practices within 100 miles. Our power is from a COOP and relies heavily on solar but we have lots of that with little chance of running out. With the possible exception of the area around Bryce Canyon the bluest sky I’ve ever seen is outside my door.

    Surprisingly, in July it rarely gets out of the 70s (it gets into the upper 80s in June) and we get a brief shower most days. Drive 15 miles and they get a fraction of that. Something to do with the mountains forcing the air up and increasing the relative humidity.

    In my yard I have had visits from bears (they once pawed at our living room windows but we figured out they were going after the hummingbird feeders above the windows), a Canadian lynx, a moose, boatloads of marmots, and various and sundry smaller critters. We once watched a big old bear (they are black bears but their color is actually reddish brown) walk across the yard and chuck himself (herself?) into the river and float away on its back. Damnedest thing you ever saw.

    An old buddy from IU came to visit last April and ended up staying. He and his wife bought a house on the lake 2 miles away. Really great guy I’ve known for 40 years. How fun is that?

    Durango once had a shootout during which the sheriff gunned down the chief of police on Main Ave. I’ve seen pictures of the two. The chief looked like a turn of the century Chicago constable. The sheriff looked like the Sundance Kid. It was only going to end one way.

    We decided that next July, when the tourists show up, we’re gonna take that trip to Alaska we’ve been wanting to take. They should have all the tourists’ bodies cleaned up by the time we get back.

    I know our basketball Hoosiers look like a house of cards but how fun would it be if CTC knew what he was doing and put a team on the court that did everything he hopes? That would be cool.

    The football team is going to kick ass…in a modified IU sort of way. If the defense could achieve mediocrity they’d probably be pretty good.

    Later guys.

  43. Didn’t Steve McClain come to IU via the West? Idaho? Damn basketball midget tourist thinks he’s a Kent Benson mountain man of Hoosier Hysteria simply because he sets up a trailer under our banners for a couple years in our hoops backyard with the gypsy, CharlaTom. I wish the tourists would move on….

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