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  1. Mike, this format, where you present a series of short tweets is really not good. I don’t think I’m alone in hoping that you will stop wasting screen space and end this experiment.

  2. I say this with some reluctance. I agree with Podunker. (Our Father who are in Heaven…)

    Miller (notice you’ve lost the Mr.), I thought you were onto something with your reporter’s notes; but simply tweeting…..????? Let’s try some big-boy journalism; if in doubt talk to the pros there but keep is away from this silliness.

  3. Thanks for the input, all. I’m going to continue using the tweet feed on Monday afternoons for Wilson’s press availability, but I’ll ask the IT gurus to shorten it to three or four visible tweets at a time. That’ll save the screen space. The point is to have a running stream of updates on the Scoop at a time when I cannot otherwise update the blog. It’s either that, or jump on Twitter, but I know a bunch of folks don’t use it.

  4. Miller- there’s a reason we don’t use it. We enjoy complete thoughts, carefully worked into stories that weave images in our mind that show Hoosier athletes attempting to compete in our names in ‘fields of friendly strife’. Obviously, you don’t respect the entire of the structural relationships that go into what was once the ‘art of writing and describing’ and continue to belch sounds of burping in our faces.

    My question is what makes you think this is journalism? Why did you even consider a career in ‘writing’ if you weren’t interested in…writing. There was more complete thought when news in (sports) rooms actually involved thinking and describing in the days when something similar to what you are selling came in to the HT (which used to be a pretty good newspaper before it got run over by techie wonders) on ticker tapes (thats a long tape with a few words on it) and the info was attractively and interestingly embellished into a ‘story’ by professionals. Ask Andy Graham about those days; but I doubt you’ll listen.

    As much as I fought and quibbled with Dopirak, he was at least a newspaper writer.

    (By the way, your note on ‘input’ doesn’t amount to anything but another disrespectful ‘stick it in your ear’ note to readers and subscribers who get nothing but burps for the price of subscription from you).

    1. TTG,
      I tried to stay out of this, but this criticism is silly. You may not use Twitter, but a lot of people do, and it’s part of our job now. Why would we not try to use any kind of information sharing in the broadest form possible? Does it not occur to you that because of Twitter, we actually spend more time doing our job as journalists? We now provide condensed and immediate reaction to information which must then be gone over again for the purpose of weaving those thoughts and anecdotes into a story. And, oh yeah, somewhere in between put together a brief blog post that’s more than a tweet and less than a story.

      Some aspects of that may not interest you, which is fine, and it’s your choice. But we are competing with numerous other media outlets, many of them web-based, not just print products. If we concentrate only on old-school newspaper journalism, we can go ahead and kick dirt over our already fossilized remains. In an effort to remain somewhat relevant, we opt for some well-timed belches that can prove more useful than one massive spew.

      I know it’s par for the course around here to haze the new guy, and sometimes the old one too, but for my money, Mike is off to a heckuva start.

  5. Mike-

    Drink up the quibbles…Though it seems unnatural, it’s just Tsao’s way of sharing his own tweet with Scoop’s new guy. He’ll belch you in a minute.

  6. Tsao’s criticism may be on the heavy side, but there’s nothing wrong with the message. We’re all reacting to the next fire alarm. We’re creating fire alarms for every scenario. Much of the garbage fed through chats and texts needs a bonfire rather than a fire alarm. Let them all run to the sound of the alarms…Is it possible the best stories are somewhere left behind the need to chase or move with the masses?

    I’m thankful to not be part of the ‘Information Overload Age.’ We’re pretty much already at the point of developing a callousness to anything placed in front of the eyes. More information doesn’t equate to anything redeeming. And with such instantaneous theatrics comes the evil and outlandish an avenue and an audience.

    Throw your damn gadgets away and actually invest in a true discussion. Actually engage someone with an honest and uninterrupted 10 seconds of your life. Escape to a place you’re not consumed with the next picture, text, or thought from a thoughtless twitter vegetable.

    People hardly take the time to look up at you as they pass you on the street. So busy staring at the latest iPhone in their palms, they’ve lost the simple pleasures a passing smile or neighborly concern for another living person’s identity or responsive gesture of goodwill sent to fellow soldier in life’s daily tribulations.

    I’m with Tsao 100%. Open your eyes and your ears…Your added time doesn’t change the mindset nor your cold stares into cold technology. You will lose the ability and joy of interaction in the face-to-face. You will lose the discernment of an honest voice and an honest pair of eyes.

    All are putting far too much stock into the “burps”…the tweets…the instagram ….the text…the desire to be heard and seen faster than you can introspectively moderate and debate within your own noggin. It might as well be communications coming out the orifice used as exit for digestive waste. It’s not your mind you’re feeding..Your colon is better equipped to discern healthy nutrition than what you’re feeding the brain. You’ll soon teach yourself to simply not know(smell) the difference.

  7. Miller, Jeremy Price…for what is worth; you are writing your own history of the death of journalism. Newspapers, magazines, books were for people who love not only the medium but the ‘art’ of describing ‘life’. It was not just the game but the analysis, the confrontation of man (women) v. man in its essence, the blending of individuals into a team and its resulting product, diversity in tactics, the recognition of a strategy. Not one of these points can be described with due justice in a twitter post.

    Who would want to?

    There was a time when we lamented the passing of newspapers overwhelmed by other media (radio, tv…). Now we watch the suicide of journalism and report its death as a one line twitter post obituary. Loyal of you (and I admire you for it) to defend this kid JP; but I don’t believe for one second you believe your own argument that twitter posts involve anything other than the motor activity of breathing (in and/or out). Consciousness and awareness are not in the twitter reporter’s job description.

    I believe about three weeks ago I complimented the same reporter for his idea of publishing his ‘reporter’s notes’ for the window it provided into the reporter’s thoughts as he/she witnessed an event or experienced a character. The Twitter posts, however, are completely in the opposite direction…mindless chatter with little if any thought content…literary autism.

    But you are also right. I subscribe to the HT for content, analysis and opinion. I guess if reading its index satisfies my need (as in drive) to read, I’ll stay subscribed. If it does not satisfy my need for whole thought, analysis, description, characters…then I should consider canceling and go read something more satisfying…like my laundry ticket. (And hope Mr. Miller does not go into the laundry business).

    Believe it or not, I really am sorry to feel this way.

  8. Jeremy…”Does it not occur to you that because of Twitter, we actually spend more time doing our job as journalists? ”

    No Jeremy,… just the opposite. You may spend more time tweeting but do significantly less (and poorer) journalism. (What do you think a ‘journal’ is? Give some thought to the origin of the meaning (deep meaning) of the word.

  9. Miller, two weeks ago the one liners had substance…these have little. Only one tweet showed anything close to what I thought two weeks ago. “At Hoosier Scoop: Hoosiers looking to integrate versatile group of tight ends http://t.co/YkH93WzBrt“, and it was followed with an interesting piece detailing the thought.

    That is exactly the disappointment and the basis of my critique of the mindless tweeting.

  10. OK, here’s the deal: the Twitter ticker was brought in to stream updates from Kevin Wilson’s weekly availability on Monday afternoon. That’s all. It wasn’t meant to replace posts and the like. It was (and is) meant to give instant updates while he’s talking/answering questions — a time when we can’t otherwise write or blog. Where I’ve gone wrong, clearly, is in my post-availability updates. I should have summed up the presser with a post on the blog. I’ll do that in the future.

    Like it or not, Twitter is part of the job. That’s the reality of the profession. We’re working across multiple platforms — print, blog, social media — to serve readers in various capacities. Twitter changed the game. It requires nearly 24-hour surveillance to keep up with what others are saying, writing, doing. But I’m not going to lament the fall of journalism with you.

  11. One of the key components of a classical education in 5th – century Athens was rhetoric. The study of the verbal bow, the accompanying shield and quiver of arrows, and the techniques of their proper use allowed an educated person to spot bovine fecal matter when it issued forth from the mouth of a politician, an orator, a philosopher, or the local loudmouth at the baths. Such study served as a defense against infection by bad ideas and allowed for escape from poorly – constructed logical traps. In short, it equipped the student with much of the intellectual arsenal that he required to think for himself.

    Plato and Socrates both had a mistrust of the written word, though. Part of this mistrust, I believe, stems from his belief that the written word deprived the reader of the use of a very powerful arrow in the rhetorical quiver: dialogue. Interlocution was a vital part of Plato’s entire philosophical process and, thus, absolutely vital for the pursuit and discernment of truth.

    He lived in an age when the almost all libraries were small collections of manuscripts privately held by wealthy patricians. The single public library at Alexandria held 750,000 scrolls at its height, a significant portion of which must have been duplicates because there weren’t that many written works in the known world. The primary mode of information exchange – – and thus, the primary method of intellectual influence – – was verbal.

    But Plato didn’t have social media, blogs, google or any concept of the digital world. He couldn’t imagine that I, a person of no great means, would have access to a tool that could put the contents of a billion Alexandrian libraries on my desk. He couldn’t conceive of an informational landscape where ideas can sprout, blossom, and wither in a matter of days after discussion and debate by millions of people scattered across the entire globe.

    In short, TTG and Harvard, I find your nostalgia for old times quite unconvincing and a false idealization of the past. Just like any time in history, you can point towards the lowest common denominator and falsely apply that to define a medium. You are throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

    All these avenues of social media are excellent tools for those who have the ability to discern the noise from the signal. Let’s address the source of the conflict: MM’s Twitter feed. I like it and follow it regularly. They are footnotes. There are nuggets of info in there that don’t need to be wrapped into a full story or even a blog post. They are easily sharable and they are great for sharable quotes or even quips. Humor, for the few of us that have any left, is great on Twitter and brings a different dynamic that is sorely missing from the fact that we’re talking about Sports, not beheadings in Syria.

    These social media mediums give a writer lots of different arrows in their quiver which can reach a much broader audience. Also, we as readers have ability to dialog not only with each other, but with the authors of a piece on a regular basis. Good, bad, critical, praises, whatever. It is all here.

    I’m with Mike and Jeremy. These multiple mediums have created more work for them (and more headaches as their critics are closer than ever!), but I’ve never felt more immersed in the story of our Hoosiers than ever before. I think all three writers at the HT are excellent professionals by the standards of any day. It does irk me to see the overtop criticism, but this is all part of the dialog, so be it.

    Keep it up fellas. I’m a fan.

  12. Top-10 Nominations for Mike’s Twitter Updates:

    10. Legend of the Twitter Ticklers
    9. It Twits the night before Christmas
    8. Unwrapping the Twitsie Roll
    7. The Tweeternator
    6. Doctor, doctor, can’t you see, I’m tweeting, tweeting?
    5. First and Ten Tweets
    4. If you tweet it, they will come
    3. Four Score and Seven Tweets A-go-go
    2. Puttin’ on the Twitz
    1. Mike’s Meatless Tweetloaf

  13. The native American, how he hungers for the nostalgia of land? How he hungers for clean lakes and streams? How he hungers for the flight of eagles over his summer corn? How he hungers for the bullet faster than the arrow? How he longs for the tent full of philosophers landing ashore with cannons their compromising pens?

    The disaster with all is in the assumption that nothing can be learned or valued from something we can rid, dominate, bury, or destroy. It’s mislabeled as nostalgia.

    Once the stone bares your name, you feed the critters, nostalgic, just the same.

  14. Hey Tsao, I’m in a hotel in Norman right now, but I’ve swung by to remind you to chill out and stop giving hell to the new guy.
    Here’s what you have to realize. Mike’s not taking Twitter over long-form journalism. He’s doing long form AND blogs AND video AND Twitter and every other multi-media thing that’s required because that’s what this job is now. And like you always told me, it’s a job. It’s different than your job was. It’s a different era and all of these things are requirements of the jobs which weren’t requirements when you were part of the profession. These aren’t things the Herald-Times invented. These aren’t things the writers have the option to dismiss. They are part of the job. All Mike decided to do was make sure that when he was posting updates of the press conference to Twitter — which he was going to be doing anyway, which I was doing for five years and which is totally part of the job — he would directly pipe them into this blog so that you guys didn’t have to go on Twitter and see everything else on there that you clearly do not care about and could read in real time what Wilson was saying on the podium. He was going out of his way for you, and you have responded by shoving it in his face.
    Also, if you have somehow developed the preposterous notion that Mike Miller does not know how to craft a real story, well I present to you this: http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/sports/high_school/a-balloon-for-jeremy/article_39572dde-cd7e-5e5b-a6aa-a387bcf1d8c9.html

    and this: http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/sports/sprint-car-driver-josh-burton-died-living-his-dream/article_4f949bf5-5491-5e29-bcae-993e2b12bf39.html

    Read those and then please kindly apologize to your new host.

  15. Tennessee sucks.

    Now look who’s experiencing nostalgia. In a lonely hotel room, he thinks of is old Hoosier friends. He longs for the over-the-hill father figure that actually cared enough to add wrongful misguidance.

  16. Lots of platforms. Too much clutter…not enough thinking. Think I’ll go read a good book…about Socrates (no, not the Brazilian striker).

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