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By the numbers
3-pointers made by Robert Johnson in five attempts against IPFW. He is the first Hoosier to go perfect from beyond the arc with at least five attempts since Devan Dumes against Iowa on Feb. 4, 2009. Johnson is now shooting 60 percent from 3 on the season, tied for third in the NCAA.
9 Times in 10 games a player off the Indiana bench scored in double figures. The latest was Max Bielfeldt with 11 points against IPFW.
100 Wins for Indiana since the start of 2011-12, the first time the Hoosiers have won 100-plus games in a five-year span since 1999-2004.

WatShot anniversary
Thursday marked the fourth anniversary of the now legendary game-winning 3-pointer by Christian Watford that beat No. 1 Kentucky at the buzzer on Dec. 10, 2011, at Assembly Hall.

The Hoosiers trailed the Wildcats 72-70 after a Doron Lamb free throw with 5.6 seconds left. Watford inbounded the ball to Verdell Jones, who used a screen at midcourt by Cody Zeller to shake a defender, then pitched a pass back to the trailing Watford on the left wing for the shot, which prompted players and fans to immediately storm the court when it went in.

Indiana played Kentucky again in the Sweet Sixteen that season, losing 102-90, and the two teams have not played since.

Yogi tracker
With a career-high 38 points against IPFW, senior Yogi Ferrell moved past both Archie Dees and Randy Wittman on the all-time scoring list at Indiana with 1,552 points. Ferrell is now 14th and just another 38 points from tying Greg Graham in 13th.

Ferrell also had five assists against the Mastodons to pass Tom Coverdale for third on the IU all-time list with 502 assists. Quinn Buckner is second with 542 assists, while MIchael Lewis sits in first with 545. Ferrell is now averaging 6.4 assists per game, which ranks in the top 20 nationally, and would need just seven more games at that pace to become Indiana’s all-time assists leader.

The 38-point outburst by Ferrell on Wednesday is tied for the fifth-highest scoring total by an IU player at Assembly Hall since the building opened during the 1970-71 season and was four points shy of the record of 42 points set by Steve Alford against Michigan State in 1987.

Recruit watch
De’Ron Davis, 6-9, F, Aurora, Colo., 2016:
Had eight points, six rebounds and four blocks in Overland’s 74-38 win over Lakewood Tuesday.
Grant Gelon, 6-5, G, Crown Point, 2016: Hit nine 3-pointers and scored 31 points in Bulldogs’ home opener, an 85-57 win over Penn last Saturday.
Curtis Jones, 6-4, G, Highland Springs, Va. (Huntington Prep), 2016: At Marshall County Hoopfest had 21 points in 83-77 loss to Prolific Prep, 22 points in 94-88 win over Quality Education, and 21 points, four assists and two steals in 63-59 loss to Montverde Academy.
Al Durham, 6-4, G, Lilburn, Ga., 2017: Notched 16 points and four steals in Berkmar’s 60-33 win over South Gwinnett last Friday. No stats available from 84-69 loss on Saturday.
Darby Foresman, 6-3, F, Heritage Christian, 2016:
Chipped in 12 points in a 61-57 win over 4A No. 3 Roncalli, then had eight points in 73-40 rout of Fort Wayne Concordia Saturday.
Ria Gulley, 5-9, G, San Antonio, Texas, 2016: Scored nine points and 10 points respectively as Clark suffered first two losses of the season at the New Braunfels Canyon Tournament last week. Did not play due to illness in the final three games of the tourney.
Bre Wickware, 6-1, F, Denton, Texas, 2016: Averaged 18.3 points per game in four games at the Fort Worth Cowtown Classic, where Guyer fell 52-50 in the championship game.
Bailey Broadnax, 6-0, F, Crowley, Texas (Hill Junior College), 2016: Posted 10 points and nine rebounds in last Friday’s 92-42 rout of Victoria College.
Alexis Johnson, 6-1, F, Houston, Texas, 2017: Scored 13 points in Kinkaid’s 62-49 win over Houston Westside last Saturday.
Linsey Marchese, 6-4, C, Lawrenceville, Ga., 2017: Paced Archer with 26 points and eight rebounds in a 63-35 win over Central Gwinnett last Friday.
Bree Boles, 6-3, F, Lapel, 2018: Had 15 points and six rebounds in a 57-52 win over Tri-Central last Saturday, and 23 points and 11 rebounds in a 59-51 loss to Frankton on Monday.


  1. For us more seasoned guys a sad note, NBA Hall of Fame F/C Dolph Schayes died today at 87. On the court he was perpetual motion, unusual for a big man. 1st NBA player to score 15K points. Hondo played in the same manner for the Celtics. They never stopped or quit.

  2. Some of those guys never got their due. Schayes, Schlundt, and, for many, Walt Bellamy, who many Hoosier fans don’t realize was probably the most dominant player Indiana ever produced.

  3. How true, still amazed about Bellamy record of 33 boards in 1 game at IU. A fact I’ll bet Vitale does not know. Also played on what I would consider the best Olympic team ever in 1960. It used to be fun watching the NBA before it became football, hockey, WWF and an amateur acting school all in 1.

  4. Clarion, don’t get your hopes up. If you liked the glory days of post-up basketball, 17 foot jumpers and lots of passing, then the Warriors kinda represent the complete 180 of those times. You have one guy playing at a Michael Jordan level who hits 29-foot bombs over and over again, surrounded by a bunch of other guys who hit 23-footers over and over again. All of it happens at the breakneck speed that the 24-second shot clock requires. It’s like a chaotic pinball game.

    Somehow it doesn’t surprise me that Geoff, the not-from-Massachussets Patriots fan, would be the first to recommend watching the Warriors. Did he recommend the Royals too? I wasn’t on here during the series.

  5. Clearly Seahawk Tom doesn’t watch Golden State games… it’s a pity. What he described is probably what they show on SportsCenter highlights, but doesn’t represent the actual game if you watch it.

    Curry is playing at that level, and does occasionally take 30 footers (which he makes at an alarming rate), but here is what they do… share the ball, make great passes from all 5 positions, shoot well from 4 positions, play their roles, run to get open shots, play pick-and-roll as well as it’s ever been played, make the extra pass, set good screens, play very good team defense, and have fun without being unnecessarily demontrative.

    As a team they shoot 50% from the floor on the season, 44% from 3(!)… as a TEAM(!), they average 4 more assists per game than the 2nd place team in that category… They have the best rebounding % in the league…

    It is basketball the way it should be played.

    Tom – please explain to me how living in New England for 30 of my 40 years on this planet somehow disqualifies me from being a New England Patriots fan?

  6. They are obviously doing something very, very well.

    Geoff, I think he was paying you a compliment. Perhaps he just meant the Patriots things is nothing more than an aberration in an otherwise decent person.

  7. The Warriors are gross. On an amazing run, but gross. Led by prissy silver-spoon superstar from an elite liberal arts school, another silver spoonfed player (Klay) who is also the son of an NBA player, and followed by a fashionable fanbase consisting of an elite cadre of tech billionaires (and Geoff, apparently).

    I’m guessing that all the bandwagon Michael Jordan fans from the ninetees have already bought their Warriors jerseys for this decade, and will telling us about how they like the team because “they play the game the way its supposed to be played.” I am also guessing that this same crowd roots for Barcelona using the same argument.

    I can only pray that Kyrie Irving gets healthy soon, giving the Cavs some time to gel at full strength so that they can finish what they started in last year’s finals.

  8. Oh, Geoff, the Massachusetts thing, I didn’t know you lived there; I thought you had some other reason you rooted for the Pats (“My sister’s ex husband is from the area,” etc etc). Maybe I was thinking about Florida State.

  9. ahhhh, now I get it… a butt-hurt Cavs fan. That makes sense.

    Fashionable fan base? Oakland? They have consistently been one of the most loyal and vocal fan bases in all of sports, regardless of how competitive their team was.

    So Tom, in general do you prefer your athletes to come from broken families and go to state schools? How is it Curry’s fault that his father played in the NBA? It’s not like he was blessed with amazing size or athleticism… He wasn’t highly recruited… his name didn’t get him into UNC or Duke…. He’s worked harder than probably anyone in the NBA to get to the level he’s playing at. Have you seen his workouts, or heard from the people that watched him grow up at camps? His work-ethic and preparation are legendary.

    Tonight will be the only time I root against them this year.

    Chet – I think he’s trying to call me a band-wagon fan…

  10. Maine, not Mass… I would never live in Mass.

    You clearly don’t remember, but my parents left IU in 1983 when my mother was accepted into the PHD program at FSU, and they both taught there from 1983-90, at which time I was in elementary and middle school… so I went to FSU basketball, baseball, and soccer camps every summer for 6 years… They were football season ticket holders and I went to many games. This was during their legendary run of like 8 years finishing in the top 5. I was also a ballboy for the basketball team on several occasions, although my allegiance to IU basketball never waivered.

  11. Ahh, the “Oakland” card. I knew that would come out. Let’s face it, when we look at the crowd at Warriors games, we don’t see the same people that watch the Raiders. We see San José and Sillicon Valley. We see the people who also have fashionable Sharks tickets, and probably some of the same crowd that has box seats at the new Niners stadium. The Bay Area: one of the world’s most magnetic and beautiful places, but one which has unfortunately become synonymous with elitism, privilege and fashionability. Fits Curry perfectly. Not that I blame him, though; it just gives me another reason not to fall in love with the Warriors.

    I’m not a Cavs “fan” per se. But I live in the area and have gotten to know the team and the ethos. They probably will never win a championship while Stephen Curry is in the league. But I’ll embrace the culture of Cleveland and get behind the downtrodden, blue collar identity of their fan base any day over the glamorous, world-beating Warriors and their growing bandwagon.

  12. Where did Curry find that irritating habit played out every night in front of the cameras …? The way he can’t rid that pacifier that comes off the bench as a mouthguard is beyond bizarre. Is this some sort of repressed comforts from never being breastfed? It certainly doesn’t help the bratty persona …That mouthpiece constantly dangling speaks of a crying out in frustration…to have never gone from womb directly to the charity stripe.
    On the plus side, mom broke him of any double dribbling early while frequently being denied going to the rack…? Maybe this is why he seems to prefer the triples and is so averse to just going for an easy pair? 2-pointers are just too painful……

  13. Tom I guess actually prefers fake tough guys who are put on the cover of SI as 7th graders and called the “Next”… then give themselves nicknames like The Chosen One, and King James… And then tattoo those self-proclamations all over their body. Guys that are told from the time they’re 12 that they’re amazing and are handed things left and right, that become entitled and spoiled and rarely go to class and ask police “don’t you know who I am?”

    Yeah, give me a team full of those guys instead of Curry and Klay, who grew up in the shadow of their fathers, who had to work their tails off try to make a name of their own, who had people around them that weren’t constantly impressed and who knew the hard work and discipline it takes to get to that level. Who probably made them do their chores and school work and held them responsible when they did dumb stuff.

  14. “Tonight will be the only time I root against them this year.”

    Just re-read this sentence and it makes me sick. There’s the confirmation that yes, you are indeed an unapologetic, soulless bandwagoneer.

    Reminds me of 1996 when the Sonics played the Bulls in the NBA Championship. I was living on Capitol Hill by the Space Needle. I remember going to bars with lifetime Seattleites and friends of mine, and watching in stupor as they cheered for the Bulls “because of Jordan.” It was like watching an act of marital infidelity where loyalty was traded for sexiness. I predict it won’t be long before you too turn your back on your hometown(ish) team due to your awe with the glorious purity of the Warriors.

    Sidenote: how about that undersized Washington Husky point guard (from gritty Tacoma and drafted #60) that is flourishing with the Celts….

  15. LeBron, by the way, is an amazing human being. I hated him too, until I moved to his backyard. I won’t waste much time trying to convince you, because you need to see it to believe it. But he takes “community hero” and “philanthropist” to the next dimension.

  16. You’re annoyed by weird things Harvard…

    Curry attempts 9 2-pt FG’s per game… But I’m pretty sure he prefers 3’s because they’re worth 50% more and he shoots them at almost a 50% clip. Soooo, he shoots them because it’s the smart thing to do and helps his team win.

    Tom – now you’re just making things up and grasping at straws to try to make yourself feel better. The point was that Warriors fans have always shown up. When the team was bad they showed up. Now that the team is good maybe there is a different clientel that can afford the tickets, but they have always packed that arena and been famous for their loyalty.

    Here are some numbers for you:
    Cavs average attendance for home games year before Lebron drafted – 11,496… The next year they jumped to 18,287 and then continued up to 19K, and 20K per game…. until Lebron left for Miami, and they immediately dipped to 15,296… and stayed there until Lebron came back. Those are some real fans right there. Stick by there team through thick and thin.

    Meanwhile, during that same stretch of years, Golden State was never lower than 16,250 and had 8 years over 18K and 2 more years over 19K per game. Golden State only made the playoffs 4 times in that span.

    Tom – you know not of what you speak…

  17. I don’t get the Curry hate. The only team I really follow is the Pacers. I don’t have any feelings one way or another about him but I watched him play fearlessly at Davidson after being shunned by the likes of UNC and Duke because he was ‘too’-something…small, slow, what have you. He came within a few points of taking Davidson to the Final Four.

    If he was the last guy off the bench there would be no hate. He just worked harder to get to where he is. Sure, his dad played in the NBA. So what? That doesn’t keep him from giving up 30lbs and 3 inches in height to every guy he matches up with. He would look like a 12-year-old next to Michael Jordan. How does your dad being in the NBA balance that out?

    I have no doubt whatsoever that the whole Curry hate revolves around his team’s success. To the best of my knowledge there aren’t any particular bad actors to dislike on their team. They haven’t been caught playing around the edges of the rules in order to win. They don’t have criminals on the team. Last I heard they don’t even have a full time coach.

    I don’t profess to be a student of the NBA game but, from what I have seen and read, all they do is play the game better than anyone else is currently playing it and he is the leader by example.

    BTW, if I was one of the smallest guys in the NBA I’d be wearing a helmet and shoulder pads if they’d let me. A mouthpiece bugs you? Give me a break.

  18. He is a philanthropist and does amazing things for his community and the state… But he also takes egomaniac, narcissistic, and emotional fragility to the next dimension.

  19. LeBron’s philanthropy is well documented. I have no reason to think he’s not a prince of a guy. ‘The Decision’ was a stupid PR move and I’m sure he regrets it.

    Isaiah Thomas is a nice player on a mediocre (7th out of 15 in the East) team. I looked up his stats. He scores a lot because he shoots a lot. Unfortunately, he is a pretty poor shooter percentage wise and leads the team in turnovers. That might be part of the reason the Celtics are mediocre.

    I think comparing him to the current NBA MVP on a team that the newspaper tell me is 23-0 is a bit silly.

  20. Tom to be quite frank I make no claim to be a die-hard fan of any NBA team… I loved the Bulls in the 80’s and 90’s and never missed a game on WGN. I hated the Celtics. After Jordan retired it became quite clear that I was a Jordan fan and not a Bulls fan. For a while I just concentrated on college basketball and only kinda paid attention to the NBA… but then I started watching some really bad, but young and fun, Celtics teams. They rarely won, but they played hard and it looked like maybe there could be a future either long-term with growth, or short term with a trade… Ainge pulled off the Garnett trade and the rest is history. We also now have the D-league affiliation up here in Portland and a lot of my friends have ended up either working in the organization or playing, so I’ve grown a little more personally attached…

    But really when it comes to the NBA I’m just a fan of great basketball. To me it’s more good guys and villains. Kobe = villain. Durant = good guy. Lebron = Villain. Curry = Good guy…. and so-on and so-forth.

    So yeah, I’m a bit of a band-wagon fan when it comes to the NBA. And if the league sucked altogether, I could just as easily tune out.

  21. Geoff- It helps to keep attendance high when your fans are from Silicon Valley and can afford season tickets with luxury boxes. I am actually quite impressed with the Cavs numbers you stated, seeing how the Q arena sits next to the gritty, apocalyptic steel mills on the Cuyahoga River.

    As far as the other stuff, I’m hardlygrasping at straws. I have one straw in my hand, and it says, “Geoff jumped on the Warriors Bandwagon.” Statistics to support Steph’s greatness are nice, but don’t justify hopping on a bandwagon. If that were the case, if amazing statistics were reason to love a team, we’d all be Patriots, Warriors, Royals, Duke, UK, Barcelona and Blackhawks fans. That might be OK in your world; not mine.

    I haven’t Scooped this much in a LONG time….this feel great.

  22. Geoff- fair enough. For me, I can never distance team fanship from a specific geographical place and moment in time, no matter what league. If I’ve been sounding judgmental, its only on a very superficial level, the level of sports which is basically soap opera for males.

  23. Yes Chet, they in 7th place, but only 1.5 games out of 1st place. They also are the #2 ranked defensive team in the NBA… watch out for the C’s. I believe the odds makers have given them a 32% of winning tonight, which is something like the 3rd best odds remaining in the season. I believe @ Cleveland the Cavs have a 36% chance, and the only game where GS isn’t favored is @ San Antonio…

  24. I won’t be jumping ship from the Pats, Noles football, IU basketball, or Rangers baseball…

    I also have other reasons for liking Steph and the Warriors…

    1) a kid who used to come play pick-up ball with the men here locally named Bryant Barr played at Davidson with Curry, and they were actually roommates on and off campus. He was infamously nicknamed “The White Lobster”, which got some ESPN love. It was fun to watch him go from a skinny 7th grader to playing on the national stage.

    2) I played college ball with Keith Smart’s brother. Keith was my childhood hero… His brother and I remain good friends and Keith would give us tickets to all the games when his teams would come to Boston. So we went to Cleveland games, Dallas games, Sacremento games, but most enjoyably were the Golden State games… We actually sat with the Barr family a couple times and they told us lots of Curry stories. (He wasn’t nearly the star he is now at that time) The Curry’s and Barr’s are very close families at this point, and I’ve always liked the Barrs… Keith also gave me a bunch of signed Warriors gear at the time, which obvioulsy made a possitive impression on me.

    3) Steph’s rookie year I was at the C’s game with Herb Smart and saw one of my other really good friends at the game with his kids. I had access to the players area after the game, but my buddy and his kids did not… I was able to talk to Steph who called the kids into the area past security and took pics with them and signed their gear and gave them total attention for a few minutes. (he was a rookie on the road, and not yet a star, so he didn’t have a lot of people clamoring for his attention) Anyway, he was just a nice guy, and my buddie’s kids have called me Uncle Geoff ever since and still brag about the time they met Steph Curry.

    So yeah, I just like the guy and kinda liked the team anyway.

  25. The thing I always appreciated about MJ was that he never pointed to the sky after every made bucket to “give witness” to anything..There really isn’t anything more narcissistic…and it’s not polite to point.

  26. now that is a bit annoying… i thought that’s where you were going to go the first time round.

  27. Harv,
    I’ve never though anything was more narcissistic than any of those ‘look at me I’m holy’ displays. I can’t imagine a God that wouldn’t be tempted to throw a bolt of something at them. I’m pretty sure God doesn’t choose any favorites until at least the conference championship round so those midseason displays are completely pointless.

  28. And you must all forgive Tom….His NBA childhood was cut short when a horrible THUNDERstorm ripped through Seattle and swept away his SuperSonics.. He would have a bit of a fling with Kobe and the Lakers….but it’s never been the same since the city of Seattle pawned the team like Shawn Kemp a pair of gold chains at UK.. Tom would soon seasonally move about the world as Husky Tom….Mariner Tom….Seahawk Tom.. LeBron and Kobe, with all their accolades and success, were only bling that couldn’t take away the sting….Now he searches ..Tom wanders the Midwest….He’s looked for the childhood that was…He’s searched for the tears of those lost NBA years Shawn was from Indiana….Fate would have it that Shawn was from an area of the state that Harvard would also grow up as a fabulous baller…Indiana may have a town named ‘Washington’, but it doesn’t have the street swagger of the Sonic from Elkhart …Doctorate degrees are now forever chasing Tom like windmills of Shawn Quixote novel…They turned him around and around until in candy stripes he thought a childhood was again found…But choir boys at a coffee shop on Kirkwood can’t turn Crean into Kelvin anymore than Cody into Shawn….Sure, there is the giant cross but it dangles in the space of an empty heart without those gold chains….And now it’s Cleveland….Maybe next Detroit….Back to Chicago….Someday it will be Elkhart….Maybe a high school classroom in Concord to teach whatever 20 years of college can teach…?
    Finally, Concord Tom will have come home…..He will have beers with Harvard.. Concord SAT scores will soar higher than the highest mist above the Pacific air where Seahawks must replace the wing span of Shawn….It will be a new dawn. The mist will clear ..The sun will be shine brighter than anything found in soot-filled gloom of the “Golden” Oakland smog…. Gone will be Tom’s long heartbreak of a final Sonic teardrop lofted….from Gary Payton…Yes, it will be missing everything as much as Wade without LeBron, but there will be Shawn to THUNDERously return the alley-oop that wasn’t meant to be back to the eternal well of innocence. Class dismissed.

    Go Bulls!

  29. Geoff, so there is a personal story to your Curry Fever. That makes more sense. I think Chet. has one too like that.

    Cher, per Isaiah Thomas, I’m not a fan of your “he takes a lot of shots” logic. Do players have good stats because they take more shots? Or do they take more shots because they are better scorers and are licensed to do so? After all, Bismack Biyombo isn’t heaving up 20 attempts a game.

    Harvard, you summed me up in the above post. What can I say???still waiting for the sonics to come back some day. In the meantime, I’ll have fun rooting for the city of Cleveland to win something, anything. There isn’t a more deserving bunch, along with Cubs fans. Anyone outside of Northern California who would root for the Warriors against the Cavs would be like a non New Yorker rooting for the Yankees to beat bloody- socked Curt Schilling and the Red Sox.

  30. By the way, one correction Harvard; I was born in L.A. and lived there until I was 13. I lived my elementary school years watching Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Byron Scott, AC Green, Michael Cooper (Coop-a-loop, as Chick Hearn used to say), Rambis and those guys. They were superheroes to me.

  31. I never met Stephen but Davidson wasn’t far. They got press coverage in the local paper. One of my sons was an athlete at a conference rival and they were in the same class. Probably the closest we ever came was when my son wrestled at Davidson and he hung around after his practice to watch. Davidson has a beautiful arena. The whole campus is quite lovely. No real personal stories.

    I don’t know how the whole ‘number of shots’ thing balances out. I just noticed that he scores a lot of points but shoots a low percentage. Make of that what you will.

    Regarding the SuperSonics baling on Seattle, there is a certain school of thought that professional sports teams struggle in areas where the entertainment options, including outdoor recreation, are more plentiful and the population density is not overwhelming. I was up in that area a while back and there is plenty to do, especially out of doors. In Cleveland, or similar cities, staying inside and watching basketball in the winter is likely more appealing than it might be in an area where hiking, skiing, sea kayaking, and a plethora of other activities are nearby, inexpensive, and easily accessible. It’s not a terribly high population density and the people the area attracts tend to spend a lot of time enjoying outdoor recreation. It’s not a shortcoming of the city. It speaks to the high standard of living for active people IMHO.

    While the population density is far, far greater this has been suggested as a reason NFL franchises have historically struggled in southern California. They simply have more options.

  32. Who put up the most shots in a Hoosier career..?
    Would it be the knight in shining armor of Indiana’s Castle New?
    The banner guard with perfect hair who could splash the nets from everywhere?
    The guy destined to be our future coach of stoic form and pure jumper..?
    But Joey Glass made sure dad called the Marquette thumper?
    When LA college hoops is in ruin and about to fall, what tiny land of majestic basketball castles, and wizards, and pyramids, and knights must a Bruin call?
    If you got the open look, I say you take it!
    But back to the subject, the subject of Isaiah who launches from Seattle to Boston parquet…?.
    Nobody would know his name if for not a Hoosier from Butler his fortunes aside would play…?
    Shoot the rock at will for your name is spelled wrong still..?!
    The ‘real’ Isiah Thomas was the total package deal…
    And he played in storied land of banners without need pretentious zeal…

  33. I have a “Look at me” anecdote.

    I played against Kobe in high school. Lower Marion was in the same league as my high school. He was a year younger than me so I got the pleasure of playing against him at least twice a year for three years.

    They would routinely maul us. One particular night, our 3 threw the ball right to the help side defender and Kobe took off running down the court. I sprinted back to defend the basket. I looked up and no one came back with me. Kobe caught the pass in full stride and came running right at me like the bull vs Bugs Bunny. Except I had no tricks up my sleeve other than to stand there and hope I didn’t end up in the hospital.

    The mfer jumped OVER me. Front page of the local sports section the next day.

    And THAT was my peak as a hoops player.

  34. Chet- Interesting theory, but I’m not sure how much I buy it. First of all, Seattle may have the reputation for being educated, fit and outdoorsy these days, but this is a recent development; before Microsoft came, it was a Boeing and timber down with a big blue collar element. Middle and lower class workers from Renton, Lynwood, Burien, Puyallup – these are the fans that supported the Jack Sikma, Steve Largent and Warren Moon teams of the 70’s and 80’s (and the Alvin Davis Mariners). This population still drives the Seahawk fan base today.

    Moreover, liking to kayak and ski don’t necessarily diminish one’s pro sports fanship. The outdoorsy crowd that I grew up around still loved the Hawks, Sonics and Mariners. What do you do after a day of strenuous hiking, a kayak in the sound, or hitting the slopes at Stevens Pass? You take a hot shower, clean up, put on your jacket, pull up a bar stool, grab a frosty pin and watch the Sonics. I think Denver sports fans would have a similar profile and also tell you that having lots of outdoorsy things to do doesn’t clash with loving a good ballgame.

    Finally, I should add that there are lots and lots of people in Seattle who do little to no outdoor activities. You aren’t as close to the mountains as you might think, especially when factoring in traffic. People who move to Seattle from the midwest and elsewhere are in awe of the natural beauty, and are usually the ones trying to get out into the wilderness on the weekends. For people who have lived there for a long time, however, the novelty fades quickly. Hikes and kayaks are scheduled around the Seahawks, and if a hike is planned for the day of the wild card game, the hike gets cancelled.

  35. Double Down, I’m not sure whether anyone on the Scoop will ever top that story. Great stuff.

  36. I’ve been in SF for almost 2 decades now. There’s a truth to Tom’s statements. Things have changed a lot around here, but it’ll change again after this bubble pops. Maybe not as bad as 2000, but it is coming. I bemoan the diminishing diversity, but it isn’t enough to make me leave. I really love it here and I’m not going to let a few douchebags with hoodies and tight jeans affect me.

    Regarding sports: as a guy that lived in 7 different places growing up, Bay Area fans are very loyal to their teams. The Warriors are not the same group that goes to Sharks games. In the early oughts, I think the Warriors won 21 games total in 5 years. Oakland Arena was always packed. They sure aren’t Raiders fans and that’s a good thing. Raiders fans who give their folks their reputation are not Oakland residents. They’re mostly thugs from Stockton and some of the Central Valley cities and towns that use those games and an excuse to come and fight. Oakland has its issues, of course, but they aren’t taking them out in the Coliseum parking lot.

    Bill Simmons wrote a long article about the Warriors fans when they made the playoffs after a decade-plus of futility and was quite impressed with fan base. Called them one of the best in all of sports.

    The Bay Area deserves the reputation it is getting…to a point. If any of you fellas came to town, I’d be happy to show you the Double Down guide to Bay Area (don’t worry, it doesn’t involved lengthy stays in the bathhouses). You guys would love it. Maybe your livers wouldn’t.

  37. Well there you have it. I totally agree on SF being a great city but just so unaccessible to the common man these days. I’m envious that you get to live there. Incidentally I was there for a wedding last year and my liver and lungs had an awful time. Great fun for the rest of my body, though (except my head during the mornings).

    You have a much closer read on who Warriors fans are than I do clearly…I have a wealthy uncle in Menlo Park who has tickets, and so I make a lot of judgments about the fan base based on that association and others that I’ve heard. Still, no love for Stephen Curry or the team coming from me, ever.

  38. If I had to live in a major city and if money were no object San Francisco would be my runaway choice.

    If frogs had wings they probably wouldn’t hit their butts on the ground.

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