Hoosier Morning

Tyra Buss spearheaded the attack for the IU women’s basketball team in a win over Rutgers, Jon writes.

Tuesday was yet another lesson learned for IU freshman center Thomas Bryant, Mike writes.

The Indiana bench was a rare no-show at Wisconsin, I wrote.

Indiana water polo coach Barry King previews the season in this video, by Seth Tackett.

IU offensive tackle Jason Spriggs is among those making a good impression at the Senior Bowl, Matt Cavanaugh of CBS Dallas writes.

Former Hoosier Noah Vonleh says a prayer before every game and wears the No. 21 for the Trail Blazers in memory of his cousin, who drowned six years ago, Joe Freeman of The Oregonian writes.

Yogi Ferrell on the rise, but so are the Indiana turnovers in the latest stock watch, Zach Osterman of the Indianapolis Star writes.

Can new defensive coordinator Tom Allen fix what’s broken for the Hoosiers, asks Pete DiPrimio of the Fort Wayne News-Sentinel.

Since we’re talking about things being broken, how about Mr. Mister and “Broken Wings.”


  1. Interesting that we have read here this basketball season very similar stories about Noah Vonleh and Cody Zeller. The similarity between those stories is that neither was really ready to play in the NBA when they left Indiana early to become pros. And that both have blossomed into good NBA players after a few years. No real point to make here, but it makes me wonder if they would have been better staying at IU for another year and taking a more refined game to the NBA or if they did the right thing by getting paid handsomely to learn.

  2. I’m not sure guys “blossom” in the NBA. I think some actually regress. Sometimes it’s due to the grind of so many games..Sometimes it’s just talent finally topped out.

    Eric Gordon was faster and more explosive in high school than he’ll ever blossom in the NBA….I’m not sure the NBA does right by refusing guys to go straight into the NBA. Why force them to go a year of college when it’s the NBA lure that infects their brain..? College days merely become a night at the Red Roof Inn before a lifetime at the Hyatt Resort.

    Mandatory two years in college….Otherwise, let them go straight from high school when the legs are freshest and the hops are unbroken from numerous poundings to the knees. Most with their sights already targeted beyond college, have no greater maturity or wisdom by dragging their legs as “Big Man on Campus” for one year.

    The debate on whether a kid was ready or not is a discussion of great aim at the wrong target. They may, or may not, develop/blossom in the NBA…But there was a different sort of day in college…It was the day wildflowers…Things that sprout on the field of memories fast and short…but no less beautiful. NCAA banner trips and Kirkwood Ave. celebrations are the things that shall never blossom in the hours of the dandelion.

  3. It’s weird…Some days the words find nothing but net….Some days it just playing defense against a big clod on Scoop and the chucking up of some air balls…Most other days it’s make-believe enemies that ruin a beloved game, but not the dandelions. But today….? A morning sun brought some dust upon the dandelion..Today I’m Nickie ‘Dandy(lions)’ Buckets. Nothin’ but net.

  4. We seem to be on the same page, Harvard. The best approach would be to adopt the ‘baseball rule’ wherein kids have the option of going pro right out of high school or signing with a university. But if they go the college route, they’re not eligible to come out for three years. Then you don’t have the ridiculous charade of kids pretending to ‘go to college’ for a few months until their first semester’s grades are posted, then just serving as mysteriously paid university employees (I always remember the Great Marco Killingsworth only staying on campus long enough to finish the season, then leaving for Florida to ‘get in shape.’). And the kids who want the education and three years experience in their sport can actually get their diplomas if they’re willing to put in the work. Of course, this would require the cooperation of people involved in making big bucks off the current situation, so I’m not holding my breath.

  5. Didn’t Killingsworth come as a 5th year w another guard from Auburn, he only had the one year, right?

  6. Maybe it was a 4th year after transferring after 3 years at Auburn. I remember playing Duke down to the wire at the end that year…wow, seems like yesterday!

  7. Lewis Monroe was the other Auburn transfer, season of ’05 — ’06. My memory is not as great as it might seem, J Pat, but I did learn some research skills somewhere. The “Indiana Hoosiers official site” link is the source of my info. You’re welcome.

  8. Nice assist. We are on the same page…..figuratively and literally.

    But when Yogi and Troy hook up…it is a thing of beauty.

    Did anyone see the missed dunk in the Michigan game last night….? Woah….Who in the hell was that on Michigan? He massacred the rim but the ball struck the back of the iron and was sent into the ‘oops’ heavens.. I’m beginning to think Michigan may start to sneak up the ladder of the standings….Beilein has a way of finding guys under the radar….He also has a way of coaching those guys into a pretty damn good team..

    The other moment of BIG highlights came via Hammons on Purdue….Anyone see the sequence when he lost his shoe….Funny as hell…He lost it when Purdue had possession…I believe Minnesota got a rebound off a miss…Hammons picked up his shoe and sprinted full length of the court to get back on defense.. Next thing I see is Hammons pulling down a missed Gopher shot with one arm while holding his shoe in the other..

    In my humble opinion, it should have been a shoo-in….for Sports Center’s Top 10 #1 Play of the Night.

  9. After further review….freeze the clip at the 0:02 mark(the first instant) and you’ll see Hammons bending over to pick up his shoe resting near the charity stripe. He then proceeds to run back on defense and get the board off a missed Gopher shot.

  10. You’re missing the whole point of the one year rule. Back when the NBA let guys jump from high school to the League there were more busts than successes. The NBA teams lost money on them. With the one year rule they get to see them play against D1 players, not high school kids.

    It has nothing to do with what is best for the player.

  11. Hoosier2, I don’t care about the kids name, he was a nobody in so many ways…not to be snarky if it sounds that way, sorry. Monroe was awful and he got arrested for DUI on campus to boot…I choose to remember Killingsworth because he made an impact!

    My opinion as an educator is that there should be a 3 year rule. Kids should have to come to college for 3 years for basketball. If this happens and a few nba teams are shut down…it won’t be so watered down and I can watch again. Also, a salary cap monitored closely! The nba is the absolute only sport I don’t watch!

  12. Now that I think about it, you guys are right about Killingsworth’s class standing. But the point that I was trying to make was that he stopped pretending to be a college student when the season ended. Of course, I also enjoyed the concept that after a season playing for IU, he needed to go get into shape.

  13. The problem is it’s an NBA rule not an NCAA rule. The courts have been pretty consistent in letting the professional sports franchises make those decisions.

    There’s no way to mandate an athlete remain scholastically eligible so it really is up to the professional teams to keep players in school. The NFL does it because an 18 year old would be killed in the NFL. They have decided that 3 years of maturing is about right. The NBA just wants a season to assess a player’s ability before taking them on.

    Unless/until the NBA decides that it is in their best interest for a player to remain in school for 3 years it will never happen.

  14. No, that is my point…That’s the risk that both(player & NBA) should have to take…College basketball should not be their Red Roof Inn to absorb such disengaged “risk” for a one night’s stay.

    Maybe we need to go back to the 2-year rule where every recruit must sit out his first season at college? The future NBA-er can still be a one-and-done after his sophomore season…(e.g. George McGinnis) Practice with the team…Go to classes…Don’t punish the body…Sorta kills all of that NBA hype when first entering college.

    I don’t know…I’ll defer to President Forte’s press conference.

    On another note…..Here’s something truly unbelievable. We will enter the month of February with only playing one team(OSU) that belongs to the entire upper tier(SIX teams other than Indiana) of the BIG standings. Unprecedented. I’m not sure the mathematical formulas and calculations needed even if you tried to make that happen. How on earth? I truly believe it was divine intervention….Unfortunately, divine goes on vacation in February and March.

  15. Higher admittance standards…..? Or does that just result in a ton more Derek Rose’s….? …finding a fill-in to take an SAT? It’s sad that a guy can cheat his way onto a college roster….The NBA perpetuates our inner city schools rotting. All that money to profit from their imposed system working in their favor(tempting college coaches to cheat the system and lure recruits that are not academically qualified); while never infusing dollars into inner cities as a way of making college something realistic(in terms of tackling anything remotely aimed at a college curriculum)beyond those just dreaming of putting a ball in a basket.
    Yup, it gets a few out of the hard streets…The entire system is rigged and built to encourage cheating…It cheats all..while those without the athletic promise must turn to a life where nobody cares.. Cheat on your SAT and get a free get-into-Memphis card…Get a C- on a summer class, and Patterson gets labeled a kid that didn’t apply himself in high school. If he had “NBA” stamped on his forehead, someone would find a test-taker or a class that doesn’t exist. That’s what the NBA perpetuates. And that’s what colleges must be “bought” to say yes to.

  16. Glad to see JPat back on the threads….

    I’ll let you guys have it…before all of dandelion blows away.

  17. The ‘different worlds’ of college athletics are amazing.

    Revenue sports (basketball and football) are the wild west. Bending the rules, if not outright cheating, to get a player into competition. Covering for them when they do something stupid. Greasing the skids at every opportunity. Money, money, money.

    Non-revenue sports are where the tough get tougher. Head off to your part time job after attending classes and going to practice. Little to no scholarship money. Falling asleep in the library because of the 20 hour days.

    I’d hire a gymnast, wrestler, hepthathlete, hurdler, etc., any day of the week before a football or basketball player.

  18. Totally agree, Chet. And how much of all the profit-making in “revenue sports” ever finds the schools in rotting inner cities?

    Now I’m out of here….No more Crean-bashing, too. I’m done wasting that energy.

  19. Chet, I think what you are saying is true a few years ago, but I think the NBA has done a really good job in building up the D leagues as a developmental league for those not quite ready. I think the D league will only get better for this type of thing, much like the MLB does with its minor league system. I still like the baseball rule the best as something that could translate into a better system than the one now for basketball.

  20. There is a major academic bubble that is ready to pop. The amount that one pays for college just simply isn’t worth it anymore. Almost all the increases in tuition in the past 10 years have gone to pad the salaries of more and more administrators. Off the top of my head, I think Indiana University is like $34k out of state now! 12-14k state! That’s just tuition.

    If they aren’t an athlete, how does an inner city kid afford that? Go into $250k of debt before even making your first buck in the real world? System is totally broken.

  21. Having put two daughters through college and paid out-of-state tuition for both (one at IU), my wife and I agree with Double Down completely. The system it totally broken and the cost is outrageously high. At the time, IU’s out-of-state tuition was actually one of the highest in the country. If memory serves, Colorado (Boulder) was the highest at the time, but IU was not too far behind. And unfortunately, in my opinion, the quality of this high priced education is going down.

  22. I don’t want to say “mistake”…but …Our one child’s heart was set on an out-of-state college…Had onderful experiences and met some fabulous friends. But the debt is staggering. The assistance received in grants/awards hardly put a dent in the cost. Even after those deductions from tuition, the total cost was equivalent to paying completely out-of-pocket if staying local(in-state).

    Add in the uber competitive job market ….? You are correct, Double Down. The system is totally broken. It’s broken for all but the upper tiers of wealth. And many universities will add to their perceived ‘prestige’ by offering all-expenses-paid to overseas students while our inner cities educational systems rot. Equal opportunity for all….All with wallets…All with the fortunes of being born where schools are adequate and safe….All willing to take exploding college tuition payments to their grave and their childrens’ graves.

    Then, other than the 1%(90 % of that 1% likely the “prestige” candidates) said recently graduated ‘Peasant of the Liberal Arts’ walk into the HR Department of Company XYZ to sell their souls to a job market excessively skewed in an abundance of supply trumping every narrowing demand. You’ve got a mountain of debt and you enter a world of corporations that ripped to shreds every Sherman Antitrust Act in vertical and horizontal monopolization of the landscape to the tune of an endless quest to drive down the value of the 8-hour day. This is your life. This is your ‘Pursuit of Happiness.’

    Sorry…Now I’ll exit….Rigggggggght.

  23. DD, I am not sure the high cost of going to IU or any bigger brand college is going to pay admin…now private schools I would say yes. The admin from the very top in academics and athletics…yes, but profs as a whole, no way. I wanted to go back and get the doc to teach on campus (started a program) at IU and I was shocked that I could stay in public ed and make the same or more money. It is also damn near impossible to get tenure anymore at larger research based universities like IU. My neighbor was a minority and had something printed in a professional journal every month along with research and more research only to get passed over time and time again. He ends up being recruited by a private school, small school down south. They pay him 50 k more than IU would have ever paid and gave him 8 k to move his family…his children go for free, not the half off deal like IU. I think the high cost goes for food that is 40-60% more than it was 7 years ago, books that are bound or done by schools and profs now…not TIS or similar places, power:electric/gas/coal, TECHNOLOGY and keeping up with such, unnecessary buildings being built and unnecessary upgrades because this generation wants it FANCY. This is just my opinion!

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