Mack brings familiarity to IU’s new-look passing game

At halftime of last Saturday’s game, Taysir Mack’s phone kept buzzing.

And buzzing.

And buzzing.

On the other end, Monique Mack was so excited about her son’s first-half accomplishments, she felt compelled to share her pride.

“She kept calling my phone before the coaches came in,” Taysir recounted Tuesday. “I answered it like, ‘Mom, I can’t talk. I’ll call you back later.'”

It was, of course, a performance worth talking about.

Mack posted five of his seven catches and 96 of his eventual 111 yards before the break, scoring twice in the process. Saturday was a breakout showing for the redshirt freshman receiver and, perhaps, a harbinger of what’s to come during the second half of the season.

As classmate Peyton Ramsey continues to transition into his new role as Indiana’s starting quarterback, he’ll have a comfortable connection in Mack. Although Simmie Cobbs is Indiana’s top target and Donavan Hale, when healthy, brings additional size and athleticism to the outside, Mack brings familiarity to Ramsey’s passing arsenal.

That’s because no one in IU’s receiving corps has as much experience working with Ramsey as Mack.

For the Hoosier underclassmen, it goes back to scout team duties last fall, when the true freshmen established rapport while facing Tom Allen’s first-team defense each day in practice.

That familiarity between the two playmakers is now carrying over to IU’s first-team offense.

“Me and Peyton connected a lot throughout scout,” Mack said. “We got to really know each other. He got to know how I like to break off certain routes and I got to know what are his strength points in terms of throwing across the middle, where he like to put certain things. It balances out, just building that chemistry and going to play during game day.”

With or without Ramsey as the quarterback, Mack seemed primed to make an impact this year.

He was one of Indiana’s most impressive players throughout spring practice and fall camp, surfacing as another quick and athletic option at IU’s deepest position. When Nick Westbrook suffered a season-ending knee injury in the season opener, the door opener just a little wider for Mack to earn a role.

Prior to last week, Mack had merely two catches for 18 yards, one of which was a 14-yard gain in the opening contest against Ohio State.

But the Hoosiers were hopeful Mack would make his presence felt before long, especially with Hale held out of last week’s game against Football Championship Subdivision opponent Charleston Southern.

“I challenged Taysir to rise up,” Allen said. “We had some injuries at that position and so that’s what freshmen are supposed to do. He responded. He and Peyton were on the scout team together last year, so throwing to each other in that setting and just the reps that they got over the summer and just everything, I think it just adds to it. It helps.”

Ramsey agrees.

By making the most of the practice reps they received against good competition last fall, IU’s young quarterback and receiver duo were on a fast track to contribute this season.

Now, they’re doing so.

“We have done a lot of work together and I like the bond that we have,” Ramsey said. “I told (freshman backup quarterback) Nick Tronti that the scout team really does prepare you. You’re going against the starting defense, so you get a chance to develop your skills every single day.”

This week, Mack wants to make sure he doesn’t become a one-hit wonder.

Michigan cornerbacks like to play physical, man-to-man coverage on the outside and Mack, at 6-foot-2 and 200 pounds, is trying to use his size in practice to prepare for what he expects to be handsy defense from the Wolverines.

He wants to be reliable and consistent, giving the Hoosiers yet another weapon to use against Michigan’s secondary.

“It’s time for me to step it up,” Mack said. “I can’t take a step back now. Now that everyone sees what I’m capable of doing, it’s time to elevate my game and take it to the next level.”


  1. He’s a very good looking receiver. I hope he stays healthy and is ready to fight for the ball come Saturday.

  2. Having said that, we should have hired a proven head coach. Not sure if this very good looking receiver thinks his coach is a good looking head coach…or simply another average assistant we put into the position of head coach because we’re cheap(oops…I mean cheep).

  3. H4H, I doubt Georgia doesn’t like the hire of a former DC while TN fans are in arms about the HC they hired for their job. Maybe Oregon State’s former HC would be better than Tom Allen. Maybe we have shot at Nebraska’s HC they hired last time when they let him go. The previous job a coach had is not a good predictor of the job they will do and your comment has no more validity.

    We all want IU to be a B1G contender but getting every thing in place isn’t easy. This staff is working hard at getting in the players that will elevate IUFB. Will they be ssuccessful, we need to see in three years because the Sophomore and Junior back-ups were the lowest rated classes since 2012.

  4. vesuvius13 – I do not know if H4H is correct in that IU is cheap (cheep) when hiring a football coach and a football staff, but what I do know is that IU football teams in general have been below par (not a winning seasons) for 50 years. So in 50 years we have been unable to find a coach (beside Mallory) that has had any success at Indiana. Indiana University has basically been the joke of the BIG 10 in football. I can still remember some of the insults Kevin Wilson had to take from talk show host about IU football, an what all he had to do to change that culture of IU football. The culture of IU football changed enough that IU now appears on national televise games, and be fairly competitive in those games. Tom Allen is the coach now, can he continue (breakthrough – not just beat one ranked team) the slightly upward trend of IU football. We the fan really do not know. We the fan want success right now and we are not willing to give a coach enough time to turn around a sunken battleship (IU football). Basically it took Barry Alvarez at Wisconsin 10 years (some good and some bad) to build the Wisconsin football program. Are we willing to give Tom Allen that much time, probably not. Why? We the fans feel that the present IU team has some talent (Kevin Wilson did not leave the cupboards bare) and all that Tom Allen and staff need to do is find better recruits. Well better recruits and players in general require a good coaching staff (assistant), which is where I feel the current problem lies. Kevin Wilson brought in excellent assistants, in fact one was so good that he took his job??? As a fan all I can do now is wait and see where the IU football program goes from here.

  5. v13- To be completely clear, my post was facetious in nature and intended for a certain Scoop contributor.
    Now for the “but this” and “but that” and my take on IU Football….IU Football is desperate need of something or someone who can generate spark. For all the talk of Mallory…and Hep…and Wilson, there was still nothing of true competitive consistency or stunning turnarounds. It’s basically a comatose program and has been so for a very long time.

    I’m of the opinion that Indiana University is the state of Indiana’s pride and joy of college institutions. It holds in full display the earned honor to represent the name of our state.
    It shouldn’t be this difficult to put together basketball and football programs with coaching staffs of the finest quality anywhere.
    IU Football competitiveness? Honest answer? Never.
    IU Basketball relevance on national stages over the last 30 years? Very miniscule.
    Does the average student of IU really even care if our two major sports programs continue to flounder compared to the other top performers from our conference who do make noise on the biggest national stages of football and hoops? I don’t think it’s a very important factor in the daily life of the “average” IU student. IU is a bit unique. Its location is unique. Its academic programs attract a very diverse following of students nationwide and worldwide. There is a sort of evolution that happens at some institutions…Sports reaches a maturation point when cultural shifts/priorities/populations at certain maturing institutions finds a center of gravity with overall likes and desires shifting away from the old models of student life.
    It’s challenging times for sports programs at IU. It’s challenging times for sports in general. IU does not only face a stagnancy in their two major sports programs that has gone on far too long, but also a change in perceptions and how much it all really matters to the various subsets of students at IU who may all breathe in and out a much more subdued passion for sports far different than many of us experienced/desired during our own days at IU.

  6. Where are you Seahawk Tom…? This is your door ajar to offer a counterpoint. Can Bloomington really ever be a Cleveland…a Columbus …a Chicago….an Alabama…a Seattle? Was Bobby really the only shot-in-the-dark fire for sports found in a placid Hippietown, USA? Did the quiet hills of limestone and daffodils really ever have a shot to find the sort of community fervor for sports that other parts of the country can easily extract from its populations? Why does Memorial Stadium sit so empty on many a Saturday? Are there not plenty of examples of college and professional teams with histories plagued by losing who still fill their stadiums? For the first time in decades, were the balconies of Assembly Hall displaying some empty seats because of Tom Crean……….? Or is it something of a shift in passions…? Is it the influences of technology and the internet world sucking in our easily manipulated personalities seeking immediate pleasures and narcissistic gratifications?

  7. v13, I respectfully disagree with your comment, “The previous job a coach had is not a good predictor of the job they will do…..” The proven performance a person demonstrates in his/her previous jobs is one of the key indicators of how successful they will likely perform in the next job. Remember the old saying, “the best indication of future performance is past performance.” It certainly is not the only consideration, but it is a key consideration. And in the past, IU has hired men who had demonstrated success as a head football coaches prior to coming to IU. John Pont was successful before arriving at IU. Lee Corso was successful at Louisville before arriving in Bloomington. Bill Mallory had been successful at both Colorado and Northern Illinois before taking the IU job. And of course Hep had been successful at Miami of Ohio. All of those men lead IU Football to winning seasons and bowl games (I give Hep credit even though he passed before that magical season began). The fact is that the leader of any team or organization makes a huge difference in the performance of that team/organization, whether it’s in business, athletics, the military, etc. There’s a big difference between being a very good Coordinator and being a head coach. They’re different jobs, as indicated by the recent comments made by Tom Allen. Having said that, I think Tom Allen has an excellent chance of making that transition in a successful manner. I think Tom Allen has the right philosophy for attracting, motivating and teaching young men, and that he is authentic in applying that philosophy to his players so that they come together as an effective and functional team. And since he did not have to start with an empty cupboard, he has a chance to “break through” while progressing through the natural learning curve required of coordinators who become head coaches. I remain cautiously optimistic that Tom Allen will be the exception to the rule and that he will lead IU to break through.

    1. Fred Akers, Rich “Rod”, Al Golden and Chuck Strong along with a bunch more proves v is correct.

  8. H4H, V13, Po, BB, t, et al,

    I don’t post often but I think enough for you to know my take. I have said it before and will say it again, the problem is not the football coaching talent but Hoosier Nation itself. Always has been, and unless a mindset change from the faithful, always will be. Lest anyone forget the quote attributed to the late, and a pretty good coach by IU standards, Bo McMillian; “IU is the graveyard of football coaches.”

    This being said, I would pose the following thought regarding the powers that be in this matter. I will do so with a comparison to another B1G school much further north with similar philosophical leanings, both institution and local government. Leaving one’s political perspective out of the equation but rather comparing two locales of very similar thinking, is this conclusion possible? This being the folks in Madison are far smarter than the folks in B’town.

    Reasoning for throwing this skunk into the mix is to suggest one do the math. Camp Randall Stadium is much larger than Memorial and on any given Saturday in the fall, much fuller. Has anyone ever considered the economic impact of having 40-50k more butts in the bleachers not only for the athletic department coffers, but on the local economy and tax collections as well? I would have thought the philosophical ideologues in B’town would have figured out what their colleagues in Madison did a long time ago. Success football program = $$$$ and lots more of them to finance more their sweet dreams.

    Do the math and you will find a successful football program will generate more economic impact than even a highly successful basketball program. Have to have an awful lot of packed out home basketball games to equal the local revenues of 6 home football games of 80k or more in the seats. Have both a successful football and basketball programs = double your revenues. You would think folks who like to spend money as much as the local powers do, would have figured this one out.

    Would hate to think the folks up north are that much smarter, but who knows? Am I off base or on target?

  9. think, I’d like to know when Bo McMillan made that comment and the context in which it was made. But regardless, it does not have to be that way. The trajectory of the football program can be changed. Before the Colts arrived in Indy, people in the state used to say that no NFL team would ever play in Indy because Indiana was a basketball state. Peyton Manning referenced that old bias in his recent speech at the dedication ceremony last weekend. And look how Indiana High School football has changed/improved since Manning was drafted by the Colts. Your point about the economics and attendance is valid, and I don’t know of anyone who believes IU will ever overtake OSU, Michigan or PSU as Big Ten Football powers on a regular basis. But IU fans are not asking for that. We just want a competitive program that has winning seasons every once in a while. This “chicken-or-the-egg” argument goes back and forth on this site, but there are examples of other schools with small capacity stadiums who play football at a high level. The most recent example, as I referenced recently, is Washington State University. They’re ranked 11th, just beat USC, and play in a stadium with a capacity of 35,000. But WSU went out and hired a man who was a proven winner. Like him or hate him, Leach has got WSU playing great football and headed to another bowl game at year’s end. If he keeps it up, WSU will have to expand the seating capacity of their stadium. The right coach can turn things around in a big way and in a short amount of time. WSU has about half the student population of IU, is located in a town with a population of 29,800 people (as of 2010), which is 35% of Bloomington’s population, and is located in the middle of nowhere. It competes for recruits with another in-state school (UW) that has been a powerhouse football program in the recent past and three other schools in the area (Oregon, OSU, BSU). WSU pays Leach about $3.5 million per. And ironically, WSU’s basketball team does not enjoy anywhere near the revenue produced IU basketball. With those facts in mind, if WSU can go from the doormat of the PAC-12 to ranked 11th nationally in five seasons, there is no reason IU can’t do the same thing some day. Not saying that Allen won’t get it done, but when Glass hired another very good Coordinator, he reduced the likelihood. As you know, there are many other examples of traditionally weak football schools turning things around by hiring a proven winner as a head coach.

    1. Who are you going to get to come to IU Po? No question right coach doesn’t need all the amenities. Northwestern proved that and it cost Coach Mallory his job along with some other B1G coaches. However, look at my main point as to the economic potential of a major program. Large stadium filled 6 weeks in the fall would bring a lot of revenue to B’town.

      Will have to go back and look up the McMillian quote. Been hearing that quote all the way back to the early 60’s. Looked it up several years ago and found it was attributed to McMillian.

  10. After all of the decades and decades that IU Football has struggled, I would think there would be no human being on the planet with enough energy to thinkaboutit. It’s time to winaboutit….or forgetaboutit.

  11. think, I could name a bunch of candidates that IU could have gone after, both six years ago when Wilson was hired, and last December. Again, not saying that Allen’s not going to turn out great. I really like Allen and am optimistic. But I believe Glass hired Allen because he was, in relative terms, inexpensive, especially after Glass paid Wilson $540,000 to walk away. But Glass has not even tried to go after experienced head coaches that are proven winners! Imagine if he behaved that way regarding basketball coaches! He’d be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail. And the reason Glass can’t or won’t go after experienced winners is that he can’t or won’t pay the money necessary to hire men like that. I’d like him to at least try, as his predecessors did when they hired Pont, Corso, Mallory and Hep. The question, “Who could IU have hired?” is a cop-out. It’s insulting and demeaning, and I think it’s just total BS. Money talks and BS walks, and if Glass was willing or able to offer a coach the equivalent of the Big Ten’s average head coaching compensation, he’d get a lot of quality candidates applying for the job. So, the real question should be, “who could IU hire for the way-below-average compensation that IU is willing to pay?” Well, that’s a different question. But to assume otherwise is to suggest that there is something inherently wrong with IU, or Bloomington, or whatever. And that’s just not true. There’s nothing wrong with IU Football that $3.5 million per year for five years would not resolve.

    And here’s the question for everyone who uses that question to justify hiring coordinators: If it is true that there is something inherently wrong with IU, or Bloomington that prevents quality head coaches from even considering the IU job, why the hell is IU spending tens of millions of dollars to expand and improve the football facilities in Memorial Stadium’s south end zone? If what that question implies is true, Glass is wasting a lot of money on facilities that won’t make any difference regarding future coaching candidates. Or is this one of those, “if we build it, theY (the quality experienced coaches) will come” arguments. Those new facilities are not significantly increasing the stadium’s capacity, so they’re not going to help generate more football revenue. Is the problem just the incomplete football facilities? If that’s the case, it implies that Allen is just a place-holder until construction is complete. Is it IU’s historically apathetic fan base that can’t fill Memorial Stadium for an in-conference game on a beautiful fall day? Well, if that’s the case, IU needs a leader who will hire a coach that will build a winning program that people want to watch. Again, if a backwater university like WSU can do it, IU certainly can do it. We just need a leader with a vision who refuses to believe it can’t be done and who gives the Hoosier Nation no choice but to jump on the football bandwagon.

  12. Somebody please spell it out for me. Why is it that some Hoosier fans believe IU is unable to hire an experienced head football coach who has proven he can build a winner? I can’t wait to learn the reasons.

    1. Po,

      I think H4H pretty well nailed the standard answer to your question. I want to go back to your early comment, “I could name a bunch of candidates that IU could have gone after.” My question is would they have come and at what cost? Understand, this is in light of the grumbling which occurred with the contracts of recent coaches. Which quite frankly, are bargain pricing considering what is being paid out there.

      Let’s look at some for instances: On the football side how much did Michigan have to pay their coach to come home? How much are top programs having to pay to get the right coach to continue or revive their success? Understand these are for programs with great pedigrees. IU has one of the worst, if not the worst, football pedigree in major college football history. Would you not say it would take a coach of equal caliber to dig IU out of this historical mess?

      Problem for IU is to get a Saban, Myers, or Harbaugh caliber coach a premium price will have to be paid to get them to come. I read enough wailing about paying 2 or 3 million a year to a coach, can you imagine paying 10 or 12 to get them to come. Exaggerating a little bit I know, but you get the picture. Unfortunately, it may not be too far from the truth in order to get a top name coach for a rapid change in fortunes.

      This being said, I think the IU philosophy intentional or not, has been to try and grow a coach into the job. John Pont, Bill Mallory, and Terry Hoeppner were examples of this attempt. Take successful coaches from a smaller program (all from Miami of Ohio mind you) and see if they can be as successful on a higher level. Truth be known it was working in all three situations except for some serious misfortune in all three cases. The Mallory situation being self inflicted by IU’s failure to give him the support he needed.

      Hiring Tom Allen could turn out to be an excellent move. I can think of a certain former DC who is doing quite well at Georgia right now. In the same venue Kansas State hired an OC by the name of Bill Snyder with no head coaching experience. He seems to have done a decent job with what was one of the worst football programs in the country. Let’s not forget it took Frank Beamer 6 years at Virginia Tech to get them into the post season.

      The key thing is, if Coach Allen can make any progress at all, the support following must be massive and consistent long term. You can’t get out of the hole IU is in without a major effort. That means everything on the wish list including renaming the stadium when it becomes appropriate. Kansas State didn’t miss that one with Bill Snyder, and they didn’t wait until it was posthumously. Might even want to rename the state if a football coach at IU could get you a national championship. Why not, you know something else would have had to freeze over!

  13. Reason 1: Ugly stadium with weird name….? Gothic band-aid additions slapped on a facility that was not much more than a parking garage . We needed a new stadium instead of a makeover.
    Reason 2: Location…? I think someone said that the stadium was actually built on an ancient Native American burial site. It actually was a graveyard before it became a graveyard.
    Reason 3: Career Economics 101…? The coaching risks for someone in their prime outweigh the very long shot positive returns.
    Reason 4: Nightmarish Conference Opponents…? Could Notre Dame be Notre Dame with regular yearly opponents being OSU, Michigan, Michigan State, and Penn State? That sort of schedule is like ‘Murderers Row’ for a great team. Now you’re asking a supposed proven “winner” to take a job at a graveyard with a bunch of murderers?

  14. I would love nothing more than to end Harbaugh’s pedigree. Hmmm? This could spark some fresh ideas for a new motto for IU Football…?
    “Indiana: Lose to us and your career might as well be over.” …..or
    “Indiana: Fear the bite of the most shameful underdog in all of sports.” ….or
    “Indiana: This date on your schedule could lull you to sleep faster than Bill Cosby.”

    I’m not sure if I may even want a butt-kicking of a Harbaugh team more than the actual shock and happiness to simply witness Indiana Football defeating Michigan. I’m so glad I don’t have to see Harbaughs at our basketball games anymore….So, so glad. MSU sure kicked him in the teeth….Let’s win this one on Saturday for Crean.

  15. ….or

    “Indiana Football: Take us lightly and you’ll never pay a price. I guarantee it.” ….or
    “Indiana Football: An ugly catfish enjoys less bottom of the lake.” ….or
    “Indiana Football: It’s Pedigree in a can for your every dog day afternoon.” ….or
    “Indiana Football: Never a bait and tackle shop. We don’t tackle.” ….or
    “Indiana Football: When we find any old bowl it’s usually at a flea market.”

  16. Or
    “Indiana Football: Claustrophobic? Our stadium can help. Call 1-800-NOCROWD.”

  17. think, I appreciate your responses and your participation in this discussion. However, at no time have I suggested or implied that IU should target coaches like Meyer, Saban, or Harbaugh. They are clearly beyond IU’s reach and always will be. I also agree that Allen has a good chance of being successful, and I really like him. But as for how much IU would have to pay a proven coach to come to IU, well let’s begin with my definition of “proven.” Proven does not mean Meyer, Saban, or Harbaugh who are employed to win national championships. Proven to me means men like Pont, Corso, Mallory, Hep, Leach, Kill, Fleck, and etc., all of which proved that they could lead programs, often programs in smaller conferences, to success. Pont, Corso, Mallory and Hep all viewed the IU job as a step up in their careers, in part because of the Big Ten conference and in part because of the increased compensation they received. Winning at a MAC school, or any other mid-major program, where you might be getting a total compensation package of $600,000, would qualify you as a candidate for the IU job, as long as IU was willing to offer you a compensation package that was equal to or above what other Power Five Conference programs are willing to pay. The problem with IU is that the word is out that IU is NOT willing to pay “proven” coaches a compensation package that is equal to or above all other Power Five Conference schools. Therefore, and until IU changes that reputation, those type of coaches, or the “up-and-coming” coaches, are not likely to consider taking the IU job. Why would they? So the way the question should be asked is, “which proven coaches could IU hire at the well-below-average compensation package IU is willing to pay?” It’s well documented that Wilson began his tenure at IU as the lowest paid head football coach in the Big Ten, and in the bottom half of all head FBS coaches in the country. He traded cash for time, with his 7-year contract. It is widely known that Allen is now the lowest paid coach in the Big Ten. I contend that that information, widely circulated throughout the coaching fraternity and their agents, is the reason why the IU job is limited to considering very good Coordinators. While Memorial Stadium is far from the best stadium in college football, there’s nothing about it that would prevent a good coach from taking the IU job. And as everyone can see, our stadium is being improved as we speak. Soon, either the football facilities will be considered excellent, or Glass will have wasted tens of millions of dollars and made a massive mistake!!! While IU is no Stanford, it’s a very good academic school, and there is nothing about IU, as an academic institution, that prevents coaches from taking the IU job. And certainly, as one of the most beautiful college campuses in America, there is certainly nothing about the campus, or Bloomington, that would prevent a coach from taking the IU job. A reputation for apathetic fans and our history of losing are real issues that could turn off proven and ambitious coaches, but those issues can be overcome with money/compensation; as the old saying goes, “high water covers the stumps.” I believe that’s why Purdue paid Jeff Brohm so much money, a lot more than IU is paying Allen. I believe that’s why Minnesota is paying Fleck so much money, also a lot more than IU is paying Allen. And clearly, that’s why WSU is paying Leach so much money and will soon be paying him even more. Generally, and while I hope Allen is the exception, a school gets what they pay for when hiring college coaches. If Allen is successful in leading IU to break through, IU is going to have to pay him a lot more money than they’re paying him now, or they’re going to lose him to another Power-Five Conference school that is willing to pay him a couple million more per year to turn their program around. The irony of IU losing Allen to another school would be incredible, although I’m sure that’s a problem Glass would love to be confronted with in the near future. Lastly, you’re mostly right about what IU and the Hoosier Nation will have to do if Allen breaks through! We will have to provide enormous support, in the form of money and attendance at home games, if Allen is to sustain that initial success. As for renaming Memorial Stadium, I don’t understand why that would be necessary. Aside from the revenue gained from selling the naming rights, the stadium’s name is irrelevant. But if someone wants to donate $100 million to buy the right to have their name it, I’m all in favor. “Welcome to Mark Cuban Memorial Stadium.”

  18. But, in many regards, Podunker is correct…

    You probably have better odds with a proven head coach…who once had his assistant coaching experience under Bobby Knight, said Coach K.

    Maybe a more important factor is ‘who’ you coached aside rather than overly focusing on how much time you’ve had as assistant or head coach?

    It’s just far too simplistic to believe throwing big money at a big name “proven” head coach will…(a) lure that coach into an agreement/contract…and (b) produce a seismic turnaround in such a lethal conference.

    Does anyone not believe we were willing to throw huge dollars at Billy Donovan or Brad Stevens to take our hoops program out of its substandard March Madness history of late? It must have still seemed to risky for these men to put another success tale on already successful resumes. And wouldn’t we all agree that it should be far less daunting to rebuild IU hoops into a national competitor ….simply because of the numbers and the pool of recruits needed to foster such quick turnarounds?

  19. And here’s a wild theory/hypothesis of sorts….When Mallory was having that big IU football success, the Indiana Hoosiers basketball team was marching(soon to be Marching) toward another national championship.
    I wonder if OSU and Michigan ever-so-slightly took took their eyes off the ball; focus drawn away from football because they were worried about far too much ground being lost under the brightest lights/stages of college basketball?

    Everybody wants it all…Some programs seem to pull off national success in both major sports. Some programs may want it so bad(keeping of with the conference “Joneses” sort of speak), maybe they lose the one thing that remained their signature identity and trademark to glory?

    Do we continue to reopen the Edsel football factory …or restore utmost focus to getting our basketball program running like the Ferrari it once was so well identified and revered?

  20. There are many reasons IU hasn’t been very successful except for short periods of time. One is the pay issue and who you could draw as a coach if pay was in the middle of B1G pay. The coaches have to be great recruiters, something I think this staff is showing in the 2018 class is they are good recruiters. If this staff can up their game in recruiting then football can turn around even more than it has so far. Bloomington campus is a great draw for any recruits looking to play in the Midwest. To get over the hump IU has to do things like win against UM this week. There is a large group of recruits in and a win would fire them up to know they can come and beat the top teams in the B1G. I hope coach Allen is the right coach as he has shown the ability to make tough calls IE change from senior QB to freshman redshirt.

    So what will it take over all; more pay for the coaches, evaluating who is the “right” coach, promotions to get fans in the seats, better nonconference games to attract fans, and sustained improvement in facilities and pay.

  21. I would think taking IU from being the joke of college football to a real true contender would be the sort of priceless achievement on a coach’s resume. To accomplish such a nearly impossible and monumental goal would likely mean a shot at dictating your own salary at any subsequent job beyond days of turning around the most tragic tale in college sports. Hell, to have a shot at doing something no other coach has done, build Indiana Football from graveyard to contender…? I have trouble believing a true winner needs a ton of salary for such a rare opportunity.
    Coaching IU Football is akin to a Rocky Balboa of the Big Ten getting a shot against Apollo Creed (OSU, Michigan, Penn St). Such opportunities should be the stuff of dreams more than dollars.

  22. And does a big time coach already basking in wealth need more wealth? Show me a wealthy head coach who takes the Indiana job on a base salary because he thirsts the impossible challenge….and I’ll show you a coach far more than the typical over-hyped opportunist going through the revolving doors of established powerhouse football programs.

    Only the best coach in college football would desire the icy cliffs and steep deathtraps along the climb of an imposing mountain of challenges awaiting the ascent of Indiana Football. Such desires are rarely predicated on carrots with cash dangling as treats. I doubt there is one established top coach in all of college football confident enough to take on such a challenge. It’s a job that must be taken for the pure thrill and love of the game.
    To take Indiana into the realm of top Big Ten teams would leave zero doubt to a level of mastery that few could ever claim. It would be move over Knute Rockne time….

  23. v13, you’re correct, there are many reasons why IU has struggled in the past. But the right budget and the right coach can change the trajectory of a program very quickly. Again, look at Washington State this year. Six yeas ago they were a joke. Today they’re ranked 11th in the nation. Leach is the reason why.

  24. It appears WSU got some of the fine qualities of our last coach. If you’re allegedly willing to be dismissive of a kid’s concussion, who the hell knows what you’re willing to dismiss…?
    WSU can have him. WSU’s last coach with success(#3 national ranking) enjoyed frequenting strip clubs….Sounds like WSU may be a Pac 12 version of Louisville basketball.
    Husky Tom always warned me about WSU followers/fans. Different world of sorts.

  25. PO WSU’s rank may be a mirage as they lost to a Cal team that isn’t very good. I really wonder how Leach could do against B1G East competition.

    Dino Barbers is a coach that has proven he can really coach just like Coach Brohm but would IU fans been happy with a Bowling Green or Western Kentucky coach? Dino’s team just beat Clemson last night. Hazlett was a failure from the MAC which shows it isn’t easy to just hit on the up and coming coach.

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