Heralded point guard DJ Carton lists IU in top 3

One of the top players in the 2019 recruiting class is keeping Indiana on his list of top three schools.

D.J. Carton, a five-star point guard from Iowa, lists IU, Michigan and Ohio State as the final three programs left in his recruitment.

Carton recently completed official visits to Indiana and Michigan. The Bettendorf, Iowa native is considered the No. 2 point guard and the No. 2 overall prospect in his class in the 247 Sports Composite.

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  1. Rivals = 5 star
    Espn = 4 star @ 89.
    IU bb is competitively recruiting better. Big man lean 6’8″ or 6’9″ lean forward and or bigger center needed.

    1. t,
      You raise an interesting question on a bigger center. When we say center these days, what are we actually looking for? The game is changing and so is the prototypical description of a center. The college game still has a number of the big but slow 7+ guys, but the nba is changing. The mobility factor is becoming more important than ever. I think this change is already having an impact in the college game. So what fits into Archie’s overall strategy for a center?

  2. The photo at the top of this post is sort of fun…..Is Archie screaming because of his glowing hot hand? Coffee spill? …or a sign? The fact that the white glow off the top of Archie’s hand is in perfect alignment with the Indiana logo on a fan’s sweatshirt could indicate banner glow…..from ‘the chosen hand’ so long awaited to guide us to the promise land?

    Prediction: IU 2019 National Champion.

  3. Agree. Center depends on; mobility, quickness, size, durability, mental bb IQ, ability and skill level, etc. It could mean 6′ 9 to a 7’+.

  4. Or combination of forwards that one would play center so to speak. At any rate high star (high 4 or 5 star) forward and/or center needed.

  5. Recon Archie can find his way to Center Grove as well he did Jeffersonville and a few other places?

  6. Nothing I think is good for IUBB would be better than what Coach Miller knows he needs.

    1. HC,
      I’m with you on this, Coach Miller has shown me nothing that would lessen the confidence I have in his ability to get IUBB back where it belongs. I haven’t had this much confidence in the direction of the BB program since the early 70s. So much so that a certain bad call at a pivotal point in the ’73 final four semifinal still hurts.

      1. thinkaboutit- Where were you during the last 10 years to express not having so much confidence? Sadly, there were only a handful on Scoop not very confident when the program was being insulted with empty jargon and a decade of mediocrity …along with ridiculous contract extensions.
        I hope we see Final Four trips in the near future…But, regardless of such hopes, thank the heavens above that we now have a coach will bring accountability, authenticity, and a genuine ability to teach the game.

      2. You mean when the mouth Bill Walton ran over Steve Downing raised his hand because he knew he had charged. The deficit was four I believe after being down almost 20 at half and then the wizard got help and a block was called and Downing fouled out. That call!

        1. Yup, that’s the one. If memory serves it would have been Walton’s 5th, but it became Downing’s 4th. Long time ago and memories get sketchy, but part of the reason for the comeback was Downing’s aggressiveness in the paint. After the 4th he had to scale it back and the momentum was lost. Walton fouled out not too long after as did Downing. Would have probably won the game with Walton out and Downing with only 3, they couldn’t stop him. Likely cost IU a championship as UCLA won the final I believe with relative ease.

          Like I said, that was nearly 50 years ago and the memory gets fuzzy. So if I got it wrong, please correct the recollection.

          1. Steve Downing was handed his 5th foul with 8 minutes to play. He had already scored 26 points on the big redhead who was heralded as the best center in the country. Downing would have likely had 36 without a bogus call…that would have fouled out Walton(a defensive foul on Downing that was an obvious elbow and charge on Walton).
            Downing manhandled Walton….Downing was screwed in a game that was fixed.

          2. There was no “scaling it back”….After Downing’s fourth foul(the bogus call that should have fouled out Walton with a charge), Downing was out of the game after the fifth foul was called one minute later. It was Walton who had to be scaled back because he had no answer for Downing’s agility…much of which was baseline moves and outside the paint.

          3. H4H,
            Thanks for clearing up some of the fuzzy memories. I can see by your response, the 4th foul still hurts just as bad after all these years. I know many times things like this get wrote off to the “breaks of the game.” I look at this one differently due to the blantency of the call. Not just because it was IU. I can’t stand such officiating regardless of whether it is my team or one I dislike.

          4. I sort of built a blogging name on Downing’s 5th foul (previous to H4H).
            Another day….There’s an old abandon beach hut. No ship in a bottle. No history of a time where blogging sailed with men of wild fantasy and freedoms….and pen. I believe the hut and all primary coconuts washed out to sea…. It is gone in space but not in memory.
            She was the Island of Basketblog. Buried treasures mostly of a Hoosier by way of Hoosier…and a Hoosier by way of Seattle. Maybe not treasures….Nonetheless, my desire to make such treasure is gone with the relentless sands of time and the vast sea pounding against the hull of the ‘Grandiloquent.’
            Doubt this modern censorship chamber will ever bring out the best castaway who made the island so wonderfully unique, But dangle your toes into the waters and trust of good fortune and meaningfulness will find all lost ships in the night.
            Downing’s 5th

          5. In the spirit of randomness….it’s another PRIME DAY (7/11)!
            Go out and find a nice cut of steak! Now I’ll stop butchering this thread…..lol.

          6. But one final thought on the ’73 game….Bob Knight’s masterful abilities cannot be ignored. If you watch the few highlights available on YouTube, his orchestrated movements in the offensive possessions is rare beauty on a basketball court. His offensive was the perfect complement to Downing’s agility and pace. Walton was often lost as if stuck in some maze of mirrors and false directions….
            Masterful coaching along with a very gritty and clutch bunch of Hoosiers (Buckner(IL), Green(IN), Laskowski(IN), Downing(IN), Ritter(IN)). There were 14 Indiana kids on that ’73 Final Four roster. And to even think McGinnis(IN) could have been the 15th from Indiana with that bunch….?

  7. Downing was very mobile….but what a bust for the Celtics.

    Has there ever been an NBA center not extremely mobile? Trying to think of one and I can’t. It is the NBA after all. Quickness and explosiveness….along with a lot of versatility(ability to take the game farther from the basket) may be the overwhelming factor determining separation from college game to next level(and whether a stud in college will find a better fit in the NBA or in Europe).

    Wasn’t that long ago when Matt Howard was a major factor in getting Butler to the title game….Quickness, explosiveness, versatility….? Still a bit shy for NBA level. And then there’s Mitch McGary of Michigan also part of recent NCAA Final Four history. Could have played in Europe if he could get his sh___ together.

    I actually think Morgan will be even more efficient the post this year….A year under the belt for Justin Smith and the long kid with outside shot from St. Mary’s will free Morgan more inside. Archie’s greatest fortune in Year-2 may actually reside more in Morgan’s return than the landing of Romeo. I believe Romeo knew of Morgan’s decision before ultimately making his decision…

  8. H4H: Is 2019 just a prediction as a fortune teller? or are you willing to bet on IU and give away the rest of the field for unlimited amounts of money? Would you even pay your gambling debt?

  9. I think it’s a real possibility, t. Trust the glowing, white-hot hand of Archie.

    Not sure of gambling debts in the future, but all of our basketball debts/ misdeeds surely had to be settled via the incarceration of McCracken from 2008 thru 2017.
    Don’t you feel like IU hoops is now free and liberated? Authenticity is almost as sweet as a sixth banner….The rest is icing on the cake.

  10. But in an attempt to exhibit some tiny level of fairness toward Crean (though very reluctantly because there is no way to balance the good with the bamboozling of the program), he did not have any player as important as Morgan stay for four years.
    Crean’s average to better-than-average inside players continually transferred or left early to play in G-League games. I believe he was also obligated to take A-Hope projects from Adams to remain in good favor with Indiana Elite/Zeller. Archie is getting a 4-year inside threat in only his second season as a coach. Crean couldn’t keep an inside talent for a full 4-year stint in candy stripes over the course of his being at the helm of the program for a decade. Devin Davis? Nope. Perea? Nope. Guy-Marc? Nope. Zeller? Nope. Vonleh? Nope. Luke Fischer? Nope. Holt? Nope.
    Bryant? Nope.
    Morgan? Yup.

  11. T.C. is in a more suitable (best situation to max out his potential) in uncelebrated bb part of Southeast conference to win 15 to 20 games yearly until a decision will be made and a few more million made. Great gig if you can get it.
    Yes, IU bb is free from mediocrity snare/trap and things are moving in a righted ship direction. Not quite sure I am ready to give Archie Way a free or not free pass yet. However, there are several legitimate reasons to jump on the IU bb bandwagon and is going to self actualize and Center Grove Jackson – Davis will join in the fun. 2019? 2020? 2021? 2022? 2023? Crystal ball says there will be bands playing on fall hayrides as football transitions into basketball in Monroe County and surrounding areas.

  12. The mutual crying over spilled beer session with H4H and the ’73 Final Four reminded me of something. The string was getting a little thin and we may have played this before but the “coulda, woulda, and shouldas, of IUbb.

    In reverse order under the shoulda: the afore mention ’73 officiating fiasco and ’92 officiating team swapping to Duke shirts = 2 possible lost championships

    under the woulda: ’75 team bad break of Scott May arm, terrible loss of Landon Turner’s automobile accident – how many woulda IU had? Woulda Larry Bird stayed at IU in the fall of ’76 and teamed with another up and coming player, Mike Woodson, how many championships woulda IU had?

    under the coulda: If everything had played out, IU coulda had a basketball dynasty.

    Havin fun on a hot lazy Wednesday afternoon.

  13. Then, there are those that could have been lost. So theoretically it all averages out to what it realistically is.
    Example: IU fb could have won 1, 2 or even 3 that they lost. However, they could have lost 1, 2 or even 3 that they won. It is what it is, realistically.

    1. Since the ’73 team, ’87 maybe. ’76 & ’81 – not happening, extremely dominate teams in the tournament, no doubt they would win. Even the ’81 team with all the losses came together at the right time and steamrolled the entire tournament field. Only exeception was the ’76 game against Alabama, way too close to losing that one.

  14. I picked IU to win it all in 1981. I won the tournament bracket pool. Main reason I picked IU is they played two games in tournament on their home court.

  15. Coulda Woulda Zella shoulda ….stuck around for Noah and brought home a banner.
    McGinnis lost his father so I can understand the pressures to provide for his family….though he has still expressed sizable regrets for departing college early and not beating up on UCLA with Downing.

  16. You would have needed a real anti-IU agenda to bet against Isiah in ’81. Now that’s what I would call a very safe bet….and not much of a prediction.
    We’ll never see another point guard like Isiah….

  17. Always took IU if they were in tournament and had any kind of chance to win it. Losing alot lately as in 21st century.

    1. And when did the term “point guard” really come into vogue? I think we stopped playing in Finals around the adoption of such designations in the backcourt. Was Smart the “point guard” in ’87? Power forward…small forward…wing….post player?
      Guards, forwards, center. Seems like winning championships at Indiana has become as complicated on deciding what to call a basketball player.

      A 6-11 Durant can do just about anything he wants on the basketball court. I guess he’s basketball’s version of a powerpoint presentation …

  18. Interesting Tweet from Rabjohn just a few moments ago:

    “Interesting: Ohio State coach Chris Holtmann is here at the Peach Jam while five-star guard DJ Carton is on his OSU official visit.”

  19. From CBS Sports……Pre-season IU listed at #25 (and a 7 seed)……Ranked #68 in College Athletics for last year (Take away the ladies NIT and IU would be scrapping bottom)…….Kansas subpoenaed FBI probe.

  20. DJ Carton going to Ohio State. Its nice to be named in the final three school, I didn’t see Carton as a necessary recruit with the limited scholarships available and the availability of some big(height wise) Indiana players on I U want list.

  21. I agree I U South. Seems to me that IU’s roster is going to need Bigs sooner rather than later. From my perspective, we’re pretty well set for guards. Archie’s brother’s teams consistently bring in solid 7 footers. They had two of them on last year’s roster, with one of those guys going #1 in this year’s NBA Draft. Going to need some talented Bigs if you want to win Big Ten Championships.

  22. Po,
    I just don’t see Archie needing what used to be called “aircraft carriers.” I don’t think his game is predicated on the Bigs being that big. The packline and to a great extent his offense are dependent upon speed and agility. Yes, there are some 7+ with a great deal of such, but they are in short supply. What there are more of is the 6’9″, 6’10’ guys with a lot of speed and agility. The nba game is slowly filtering down the the college ranks in the speed and agility over size respect.

    I know there will be in the college game those times when the teams with the Big bigs will have their day, but overall I don’t believe it will be sustainable as the game evolves to produce nba talent.

  23. I would consider a talented 6’10” guy a Big. Maybe even a very strong (thick) 6’9″ too. But if you watched last year’s MSU game in Bloomington, one of the reasons IU lost that game was because we did not have a Big in the paint. Same for the loss against Purdue. As you know think, a team needs a rim protector, a rebounder, and a guy who pick up the trash. And a talented 6’8″ or 6’7″ guy is not going to do that effectively when going up against talented 6’10” guys or taller guys. IU is going to need talented Bigs if it wants to win Big Ten Championships and go to more Final Fours. Saying otherwise sounds like we’re making excuses. And the point of this string is to discuss whether IU needs to focus on recruiting another highly ranked point guard a year after an even higher ranked point guard begins his IU career? Does anyone think Phinisee is a one-and-done or two-and-done player? Does anyone think Carton will replace Phinisee as the starting point guard? If not, I don’t understand why Archie would make Carton a priority over a Big.

    1. Po,
      I think what Archie considers a priority may be the point of the matter. Obviously, Carton is now a mute issue, but what Archie appears to be looking for is not. One could only wonder how the MSU & PU games might have played out had Archie had the players with the body types he wants. I am not convinced he is looking for the prototypical B1G big we have seen in the past. I am wondering if he does not place a much higher value on athleticism over sheer size. For our collective memories maybe a Ray Tolbert or Dean Garrett style player with specific skill sets as well?

  24. Think,
    If Archie has been influenced by his older brother, my guess is that he’s going to recruit a lot of Bigs to IU. Arizona has had a 7-footer on their roster since I can remember. And in recent years, they’ve had more than one.

    Please define “prototypical Big men that we have seen in the past.” I’m not talking about giants that can’t move, can’t run and can’t shoot beyond dunking the ball. But a tall (6’10” or above) guy with above-average athleticism is a must if IU is going to compete for Big Ten Championships and final fours. Call them Centers or Power Forwards, I don’t care, they’re tall and can move. A really good and athletic 6’8″ guy is unlikely to overcome equally athletic guys who are three to five inches taller when it comes to protecting the rim, rebounding, blocking shots and picking up the trash. Just because a big man may not have the skills to be an NBA lottery pick doesn’t mean he can’t be of great value to a college basketball team. Just look at the two teams that played in last year’s final game. Both Michigan and Villanova had effective bigs 6’9″ or taller. Five of the first seven players taken in the NBA draft were 6’10” or taller. If IU would have had just one player from that group (Ayton, Bagley, Jackson, Bamba, or Carter) on last year’s roster, I dare say that in spite of our other deficiencies, IU would have won a lot more games and made it past the second round of the Big Dance!

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