Williams brings speed to linebacking corps

Ask Indiana’s Cameron Williams to quantify his speed, and the freshman linebacker can throw out some numbers from his high school track career.

The 110-meter hurdles? He’s done that in about 14.2 seconds. Without the barriers, he can cover 100 meters in about 11 seconds, flat.

But the 40-yard dash? He doesn’t have a time for that.

“I haven’t done a 40 in a minute,” Williams said.

Doesn’t matter, really.

Whatever the times say, Williams will say a lot more.

“I know in myself, I’m different when it comes to that, and I have top-of-the-line, best-in-the-country-type speed on the field,” Williams said. “And I know they are going to put me in a position where I am going to be amongst the top linebackers in a few years in college football.”

Williams believes in his skillset, blessed with the speed and agility to pursue and capture Big Ten ballcarriers.

Where exactly that pegs Williams in the Hoosiers’ 4-2-5 scheme is yet to be determined. Defensive coordinator Kane Wommack could use him as a hybrid safety/linebacker, or “Husky.” Maybe he slots in as a true outside ’backer.

But wherever Williams starts at the snap, he believes it’s how fast he can get from Point A to Point B that’s most important.

“I feel like my quick-burst speed is a big reason why they brought me here,” Williams said. “That’s what they saw, so they are trying to progress my quick-burst speed to get across the field, sideline to sideline, faster.”

Speed has long been the 6-foot-3, 215-pounder’s calling card, but it didn’t always place him on the defensive side of the ball. As a youngster, he was a running back. He just stood a little tall for the position.

Williams’ father figured it was better for his son to be giving hits than taking them. From then on, it was Chicago linebacking greats like Brian Urlacher and Lance Briggs that had Williams’ attention. They were his icons.

Williams isn’t quite Urlacher, who could move his 250-plus-pound frame 40 yards in 4.57 seconds. But in high school, Williams was a man amongst boys.

He collected 36 tackles for loss in his final two seasons at Andrean. The recruiting site Rivals rated him as the No. 4 recruit in the state of Indiana for 2019, as well as the No. 11 outside linebacker nationally.

IU made Williams a priority, and he felt that.

“They were telling me how I could use my strength, my speed, my agility, and implement me into their defensive positions at Stinger and Husky,” Williams said. “I was already on the team, basically. I hadn’t experienced that with any other team besides them, really.

“Purdue, at the time, they were a little iffy. IU, they were just full-go from the jump.”

Williams had good feelings about IU, which his older brother attended. But his decision to commit to the football program was influenced by another family member.

His uncle, Sharron “Sherman” Howard, died just a week after Williams’ recruiting visit to Bloomington. Howard, a minister in Chicago, suffered from Parkinson’s disease.

As Howard talked with his nephew in the hospital, he wasn’t worried about which schools were recruiting him, or where they wanted to play him. He just said, simply, “Follow your heart.”

“I would hear from IU and I would talk to Coach Wommack a lot, and I’d talk to Coach (Tom) Allen a lot. They would just express how much they wanted me to be here,” Williams said. “Me being here, I’m here for a purpose, and I’m going to fulfill that purpose for my uncle.”

There is a lot of work to do, and Williams has found himself just trying to soak up information from his fellow linebackers, including senior Reakwon Jones and sophomores Cam Jones and Thomas Allen. Fellow freshman D.K. Bonhomme is another teammate Williams has leaned on.

As part of a promising but young defensive group, the underclassmen have a chance to grow together. Williams specifically pointed to the sophomore class as leaders.

“That’s a really big thing for me, I’m looking to those guys as a big brother right now,” Williams said. “We are all creating a bond through the coaches and through just playing and conditioning together, and pushing each other every day.

“The opportunity is there. We just have to take it.”

Williams is determined to chase down all he can.

“I’m looking to break thresholds,” Williams said. “I want to bring IU to greatness, and I think this staff can do it.”

Contact Jon Blau at 812-331-4266, jblau@heraldt.com or follow @Jon_Blau on Twitter.


    1. Chet,
      I still have to believe if TA is given enough time and can continue an upward trend in recruiting, he has a chance to make IUFB at least modestly successful. Of course I was a Cubs fan from childhood, so every once in a while dreams do come true.

      1. I agree. Anyone who doesn’t see an upward trajectory for the program has a pretty short memory.

  1. Chet, Hoosier Football fans, although gluttons for punishment, can surely see it. But the question is, can anybody else?

    think, he’ll be given enough time by Glass, but will the rest of the football world give him time to continue his “upward trend in recruiting.” He’s got to get a signature win and produce a winning season soon, or the time Glass gives him will be irrelevant. Right now, TA is selling the “LEO” and “break through” themes, but sooner or later those slogans become meaningless unless you win! No one will care that TA is recruiting more talented football players if his teams only win five games a season? That’s why the new OC and young QBs are essential to TA’s future at IU.

    1. That is all true but it also is a perfect example of short memory issue.

      Winning five games in your first two seasons is wildly successful by historical IU standards. CTA is being criticized while, at the same time, he is the most successful coach over his first two seasons in modern Indiana football history.

  2. I guess it’s all relative…..We’re finally getting talent that could have found a bench seat on OSU or Michigan team 20 years ago. We’ve arrived at the college football proving ground baseline party ….We can do the fifty pushups and get through the obstacle course in the allotted time.
    But does it change much if the rest of the conference has evolved to the point of lapping us 30 times in the race?

    I still sensed an urgency from Wilson ….You could witness it in his gambler mentality and his fast-pace designs. Maybe he still failed at the launchpad but I think he understood the race had gone on too long to get back in with slow and steady.

    IU Football just won’t bring the crowds without a true sense of urgency that goes beyond slogans and sideline cartwheels for a good tackle.

    1. Urgent or not, CTA won as many games in his first season as Wilson did in his first two seasons.

      1. Yes, and Allen was already on the coaching staff, developing a defense along with a certain amount of fostered recruiting relationships before taking over as head coach. It’s not like Allen was handed a full steam of momentum upon Wilson’s discharge, but it had to be better than walking into Bloomington with the culture and roster left by Bill Lynch. We had won a total of 3 conference games in Lynch’s final three seasons(one in each season). Wilson won 4 in his final year.
        The mockery of the program may have been at an all-time high when Wilson came to town. The urgency was in changing the mindset while not falling into the defeatist’s traps and low expectations permeating the history and forever infecting the attitudes of the fans and press.

        And let’s not forget Allen was a Wilson hire. I guess it’s all a matter of opinion but I personally found Wilson’s brand of football more exciting. I also believe much of the national press was recognizing the risk-taking and the pace/downfield approach Wilson was using to finally garner a spark of attention for a program notoriously known for sputtering.

        Slow and steady will not put butts in the seats…NFL quality backs and getting the ball downfield at least gave glimpses of quick strikes and urgency. Do you believe Ramsey builds that sort of anticipation…? Did sticking with Ramsey(leaving Penix sidelined) last season create buzz for the program?

    2. Giving Dawkins an early shot to start(no matter his practice highs and lows)…or giving Penix a chance to play a full game(before his injury and before the meat of the Big schedule) would have proven some risk-taking and sense of urgency to give the program some spark. You build big anticipation in signing promising QB’s and then you stick with safe playbooks and the squirt gun arm?

      So we just like to recruit guys to wear their big hats, big downfield arms and quick-draw gunslinger costumes as mere show for the sideline…so we can empty their barrels and hand a pea-shooter to Don Knotts?

      Allen has recruited as if there was offensive urgency…but then he avoids risk(thus avoiding their development) as he retreats to take cover behind a defense asked to do far too much.

    3. H4H,
      I agree in your assessment of that sense of urgency, but there is a fine line between urgency and desperation. While the latter may not be descriptive of KW, you certainly do not want your players or potential recruits to sense desperation either. I would remind everyone that Bill Snyder and Frank Beamer did not turn KSU or Va Tech around overnight. It took both of the nearly 5 years of struggle to do so. Sadly, it appears both schools are lapsing back into old paths without them. While Va. Tech had a better FB history, KSU before Snyder certainly was in the IUFB realm of FB futility.

      The one thing which gives me hope is what is the theme I keep hearing from current players and recruits. They like coming to IU and they like the atmosphere TA is creating. Apparently this is not merely them just saying so for public consumption, but rather they are trying to influence former HS teammates to join them. When you see your players trying to get those they have influence on to join them, that indicates a significant degree of buy in to what the program is trying to do.

      I think the biggest thing for TA is for the program to continue becoming more competitive, whether it shows in the W/L or not. I know Po worries that the window might close for TA to succeed, but I don’t think that window is as short a period for IUFB as it would be for another school.

      1. I’m a big Frank Beamer fan and my oldest was a Hokie student athlete. We had great seats from 2005-2009 and went to a couple bowl games. That being said, the VT faithful had a bitter pill to swallow when Beamer came in on the coattails of a Bill Dooley squad that went 10-2-1. Coach Beamer’s lead the to a 2-9 record the following season.

        Virginia Tech absolutely took two steps back before moving forward. We haven’t had to endure that type of thing with CTA. Of course, no one would ever confuse Kevin Wilson with Bill Dooley.

        1. Exactly the point Chet!
          Not the mention Va. Tech had a much better overall FB tradition than IU. You don’t dig a FB program out of a 130 year ditch overnight. It is going to take some time, but I’m optimistic that TA can do so.

          1. You didn’t seem too optimistic when a healthy Penix was on the sideline….You’re not playing to the truth. You’re playing to the politics of the thread.

  3. This staff is showing the ability to nab a few higher end players. That’s a start, but the difference coming into a season is the quality, size, speed and strength of the OL/DL.
    This translates to at least 2 four star recruits on both sides of the ball each cycle. Fans can’t expect a 2-3 star recruit to win scrimmage battles for an entire game when the guys across the line are 4 inches taller, 40 lbs bigger and a lot stronger. Those guys are being developed, too.

    1. Wisconsin rose to power using 2 and 3 star players. JJ Watt was a two star. They never looked smaller than the four star players they were pushing around on the field.

      1. Let me get that memo off to OSU, Michigan, Penn State, Alabama, and Clemson. Your response will likely change their recruiting strategy.

        1. Well, that went right over your head.

          Wisconsin can NOW recruit 4 star players. That is because they were able to find quality 2 and 3 star recruits to bring the program up to a level where they could sustain higher level recruiting.

          You can wish and hope all you want but IU isn’t going to bringing in more than the occasional 4 star recruit until they win some games with the 2 and 3 star players they are getting.

  4. Thanks Mr.Price. I was starting to worry about this kid not being on campus.

  5. IU thus far; has found its way from farm vegetable canning cellar to Oliver Winery cellar. Though still in the cellar, there is a little more music and pleasant party atmosphere of hope for a couple to few good solid wins which Hoosier Nation can be proud.

    Some schools have proven long term winning traditions that have stood the test of time. Some have there moments that come and go. Some have a few winning seasons. Where has the IU fiery competitive basketball tradition gone? What is left of it has located himself down the street from Assembly Hall recently.

    1. Too early to tell t, if the competitive basketball tradition is gone forever. You don’t overcome the MASH unit that was the IU roster last year, even if you are UVA. We saw in the year prior what the loss of one key player did to them in the round of 64. Had the physical misfortunes not occurred, I suspect we would have seen a sweet 16 or possibly an elite 8 team. Can’t overcome 6 of the 10 man rotation subjected to varying degrees of being incapacitated for significant portions of the season and have any different outcome.

      As for IUFB, hope blooms every fall, but then again, hope bloomed every spring for the Cubbies for how many years?

  6. I am one of those gluttons for punishments that follow these blogs. I’m a Chicago Cubs fan and a diehard Indiana University fan. I get excited for IU football. I recently watched on YouTube replays of IU football versus Ohio State in ‘87 & ‘88. My daughter’s name is Mallory because when she was born it was the first time in my life time that IU had beaten OSU, (plus we liked the name). Bill Mallory was pleased when I told him my daughter’s name. For about a four year period IU was competitive against the big boys of the conference. Bill Mallory had IU clicking. It took him 3 years to produce a winner. Of course, he recruited Anthony Thompson, Ernie Jones & Rob Turner. I knew Dave Schnell was good but I didn’t realize he was a top 5 in the nation Qb coming out of high school. On defense he got Mark Hagen, Joe Huff and Mike Dumas. How did he get that level of talent? IU could put 48k fans in the stands & that was before Memorial Stadium was enclosed. 48k fans today would be rocking. My point is that Mallory didn’t have the budgets nor the facilities to help recruit players or coaches; and yet, he was successful. TA deserves a few more years. I agree that IU must defeat one of the big boys on the schedule. The so-called “breakthrough” is a must this season. Think about this. When KW had a rock n roll offense his defense stunk. Then when they had a decent defense IU would have beaten OSU if Jordan Howard or Nate Sudfeld hadn’t gotten hurt. TA and IU are so close to beating one of the OSU, PSU, MSU or Michigan teams. Indiana just hasn’t had the depth, nor a creative/explosive offense, or could couple a decent defense with a decent offense. I think TA has IU close to having competitive talent and depth. With a new OC the offense MUST be willing to go for broke. Indiana has top shelf talent on offense this season with depth. I like the slow and steady approach on recruiting, but on the field IU must be willing to play all out. They need to play like their hair is on fire. Take chances. Stretch the field. Fifty days to go, huh? I can’t wait. Go IU!!

  7. I wonder what the deal is with this kid. IU recruited him hard but Purdue waivered and Minnesota didn’t offer. There has to be more to the story. He’s 6’3″, over 200 lbs and has elite speed.
    Seems like every Big Ten team would be interested. But instead he got recruited by a bunch of second tier schools. Has to make you wonder if grades or off the field stuff was a factor.

    1. 123,
      Rereading the article, I think there were a couple things involved in the decision. First, was his older brother attended IU and evidently he felt very good about how he was treated. The second thing, if I reading between the lines correctly especially in the case of PU, they were not sure of how he would fit into their scheme. IUFB on the other hand, was very certain he would fit in at either the Stinger or Husky positions. May have been strictly schematic reasons why PU didn’t pursue very hard, just guessing. No idea about the schools involved.

    2. 247 shows he received offers from Arizona, BC, Kentucky, UNC, Purdue, and Syracuse. Not the best football schools but not bad either. But like you said, there’s probably more to the story somewhere.

  8. Don’t care why this kid chose IU over better football schools of if off-the-field issues affects him, what matters is what he does going forward. He’s got a great opportunity.

    Chet, you make a good point about TA being the most successful IU coach in history after two years. It does provide reason for hope. But it’s also an example of “damnation by faint praise.” It’s like saying, “he’s the best losing coach we’ve ever had.” If a boxer fights a great fight but gets knocked out late in the 12th round, his record will always reflect “loss by KO.” A losing season is a losing season and the best athletes don’t care about moral victories.

    Yes, it takes time to dig a losing football program out of a 130 year ditch, but more importantly, it takes money and strong leadership. Whether TA is the right man to dig IU out or not, I question whether IU is providing him enough of either.

    The 2019 season will come down to quarterback play. The only way IU is going to beat one of the “beasts in the east,” (or Nebraska), which must happen if we’re to produce six wins, is by a quarterback’s outstanding performance. An average or solid QB performance ain’t going to cut it. IU’s not going to win by having a superior rushing attack. And IU’s defense is not likely to be a “shut down” defense this season. So it all comes down to the performance of our quarterback in leading the offense to put a lot of points on the board.

    1. Po,
      You are absolutely correct on your QB comments. The single biggest problem for IUFB both in the ’17 and ’18 seasons was the lack of stellar QB play. We will see in the next 4 months whether or not that trend will change for the better. You can’t have the QB play of the last two years and expect anything other than what the last two years produced. Don’t care who gets the nod, there has to be a marked improvement at the position.

  9. Lack of qb play nothing new. Even when Suds went down what is now a few years ago IU qbs had already run for the hills at other schools at lower levels of competition. However, A.D. led IU over P.U. and was undefeated against P.U.

  10. IU qb and offense along with defense will have to play well at the same time. The more times this happens the more games IU will win. If either offense or defense is playing bad equals loss because neither is going to carry the other to victory.

  11. IU has depth and talent at the qb spot for the first time maybe ever. Two 4 stars and a 2-year starter will battle for the qb position. That happens at schools like Ohio State or Michigan but not IU. Ramsey could (should) be 3rd string by the start of the season. Penix is a transformational talent.

    1. 123,
      By everything we have been told, your assessments would certainly be the case. If Penix or Tuttle are not the real deal, then we have been sold a bill of goods. Hopefully since last year the S&C program has beefed Penix up to H4H’s exacting standards. Aggravating as it was, H4H may well have been quite astute as to why they kept Penix out as long as they could. Not saying it was aggravating because H4H called it, but rather Penix was desperately needed on the field, but they simply may have not had enough time to get him S&C ready.

      1. BD,
        It wouldn’t surprise me, but unless he has improved substantially, will probably be removed quickly. If not, and the same results as the last two years occur, then it could be the beginning of the end of Allen tenure.

        1. Penix is coming off a major injury and hasn’t taken a live snap since mid Fall. Tuttle was #3 at Utah, didn’t get on the field, and left mid season. Ramsey has two years of starting experience under his belt. He might win the job due to those factors. The O line issues are going to be problematic no matter who takes snaps. They aren’t ready there.

  12. IU has a couple legit qbs now. However, Penix though good, is a low 4 star. Tuttle is higher rated but again transferred into IU for whatever reasons. And no it’s not the level of Michigan, Ohio State and the elite. Don’t get carried away. Symptoms; of malnourished starving for wins fans.

    1. t,
      Normally I would agree totally with you, but what gives me cause to pause is who was pursuing Penix before IUFB lucked into getting him. FSU was hot and heavy after him and it was the Jimbo Fisher FSU, before the dysfunctional FSU administration messed up a national championship caliber program. Amazing how both IUFB and Texas A&M can be mentioned in the same breath as being beneficiaries of the FSU fiasco. Had the relationship with Penix not already have been established and Fisher had stayed at FSU, might have been another story. We’ll never know, but certainly hope MP writes a great chapter for IUFB.

  13. This isn’t correct. The pursuit of Penix by FSU was overwhelmingly after Jimbo left and Willie Taggert came and was trying to put together his class late. When he arrived, he realized they were devoid of depth at a number of positions groups, including QB, and Penix was one of the kids they tried to get to fill the void. But Jimbo’s pursuit of MP wasn’t vigorous.

  14. I spend a good part of my year in Pinellas County, and it is what was said down there. MP became a priority under WT, not JF. Doesn’t mean he’s not a good player, but he was never a priority for Jimbo.

    1. Fun Fact: How has a Pinellas County school never won a football state championship? That county pumps out NFL prospects just about as well as any.

      1. If you look at the number of schools, there are fewer than you might think. The best Bay Area football is further inland.

        1. My comments were more geared towards the overall talent in Pinellas County. It seems schools like Largo, Pinellas Park, or East Lake would have won a state title at some point. Hillsborough rains supreme in terms of Bay Area HS football success but the Broward and Dade have dominated them recently on the biggest stage.

  15. It took 2 coaching changes, FSU and Tennessee, for Penix to arrive at IU. But the good news is he’s here. IU has had quarterbacks that couldn’t run or throw (Cameron, Austin King) quarterbacks that could run but not throw (Diamont, Ramsey), quarterbacks that could throw but not run (Lagow, Sudfeld), but Penix is the first complete quarterback since Trent Green. He has a better arm than all but Sudfeld and is a better runner than all but Diamont. As Kalen DeBoer said, he has the “it” factor. If any quarterback can lead IU to a winning season, it’s Penix.

  16. I agree about Penix. The potential is huge, and the coaches and players know it. I still remember a contributor here who claimed a coaching background, who raved about King and Tronti, even though the word I heard from a couple IU coaches and players was that neither were Big Ten quality.

    1. BD,
      This is off topic but did you see my response to your comment about Derek Holcombe being little more than a reserve player at Illinois? It was buried pretty deep in the thread.

      The truth is, he was placed at #24 on a list of the 50 best Illini players of all time by the Champaign media. Upon graduation he was selected by Portland in the NBA draft.

      1. I didn’t, so thanks for pointing it out. I don’t remember him as that much of a contributor, but perhaps his lofty ranking is somewhat a function of their lower level of hoops achievement.

        1. I’m sure you are right.

          That likely factored into his ranking among all time Illinois greats but he was still good enough to be drafted by an NBA team.

    2. I was talking about how good the arm King had when going to see the team at Spring game. His rating and his arm had a lot of people thinking he could be the guy after his HS career. Tronti was the big reason his HS team played for the state title and the opposing head coach Surtain [he played for the Giants in the NFL] said he was the best QB in Florida. Neither played up to the level they needed to being a B1G player. Both show it takes a special person that is talented to be a starting QB in a Power Five program. It is the same reason Georgia has had two 5 star QBs leave in the past couple of years.

      1. King didn’t have a strong arm at all, and neither he nor Tronti were Big Ten level players. They left because both were advised by the staff that they wouldn’t likely be able to move up the depth chart and make on filed contributions.

  17. Speaking of V-13, I hope he’s doing o.k…..

    And for what it’s worth, V-13’s football knowledge blows away everyone else on Scoop. And I remember his frustration in IU not getting the QB on the field who could best get the ball “downfield.”

    1. H4H,
      You are absolutely correct, and V13 has always been able to put much of our frustrations into words coming from a sound coaching knowledge.

      btw, I’ve always understood when someone resorts to personal attacks, it’s usually because they have lost the debate. Wouldn’t you agree?

      1. V13 certainly knows the details of IU Football….Obviously, we all sort of see things through a prism and bend at varying angles here(a.k.a. using different levels of bias / “Kool-Aid” consumption / agenda / manipulative forces whether well-meaning or otherwise). We all “jest”…or instigate or insult …or use sarcasm to varying degrees in attempts to claim superior ground. Human nature, I suppose. Few ever admit when wrong (yours truly included).

        At the end of the day, I’ve always viewed V13 to be disciplined in his arguments. He simply doesn’t have it in his nature to hit below the belt(at least in these forum settings). Those are qualities that make for a good coach; confident enough to not need the “cheap shot.” Probably a very fine example to his young athletes and teams he molds.

  18. At any rate IU is an improved stable of qbs; however not on field yet so it is to be seen this fall. It should be stated as a big part that factors into the upgrade or talent level of qbs is HEALTH (injury free).

  19. The biggest encouragement is the increased size and the way the players are now looking in group pictures this summer. If you haven’t seen them, they now look like big time football players hitting the field. Our OL men are huge, the RB, TEs and LBs look like men that are big and cut, even Penix is more defined and bigger. Pictures of DL haven’t been on the other site yet but are DBs are also more muscular.

    Add in the recruits coming in are bigger and faster starting out and the future is promising, maybe even 2019. A good example of what is going on M Bedford is 6’6 and now 305 lbs. All of are players are looking like B1G East players and I hope it leads to more wins this coming year.

    We have been disappointed so often in the past it is hard to be optimistic about this season, but there are good reason it could be more than just hoping for IU to improve. The mixture of seasoned players and young players could come together and give IU a very good season this year.

    1. Bedford has put on 30lbs.? That’s pretty amazing to hear! I might have to retract my comment about him redshirting this year if he’s already B1G strong and ready.

    2. V13- Question for you. How prevalent do you think the use of steroid cocktails is in college football? Can getting guys to needed body size and explosive strength be on such a fast slope of desired outcome that it can be counter-effective and increase odds of injury? Do muscles, ligaments and size need a bit of time to settle in?

      I understand we are trying to catch up to “typical” Big Ten standards but how safe is it to always be turning Mustangs into Clydesdale on such accelerated timetables?

      Thanks if you care to offer an opinion…

      1. H4H, I know there are win at any cost out there so it has to happen and there are ways to mask them. The NCAA and NFL work hard to cover all the masking drugs/supplements but science is always ahead of the game.

        I believe the improvements by IU are kids coming in that never ate correctly. They get to Bloomington with the nutrition support and all the food they can eat, all of a sudden their bodies grow. Add in a S&C program that works to balance muscles while working to gain size and you have a situation that causes bodies to explode in growth.

        From what I have learned about IU’s system the coaches work hard to strengthen the muscles around the tendons and ligaments to avoid over stressing them. Most injuries to ligaments and tendons come due to inequalities in muscle strength with one set of muscles overpowering the other muscle set with ligaments and tendons trying to balance the power out. The S&C program works very hard to keep the muscle system balanced and results show it works.

        1. Thanks, V13….Interesting stuff. When are we going to get you on the IU coaching staff?

          1. H4H, I have to do something to overcome boredom while dealing with limited activity due to my spinal issues and pain. I try to keep up on issues of IUFB and college football in general. No more coaching for me but it took a decade or more before I lost the bug to coach. I am content with my life now and enjoy college football with my golden retriever buddy. Fortunately I have a wife that stayed with me when disability struck as many marriages end with one partner becoming disabled.

            One day, Hoosier football fans will have a winning team to cheer on; hopefully while we are still living.

          2. Nice to hear you have such a loving and loyal partner in your wife…I hope you get a great winning IU football season soon.

  20. I’ll let V13 answer your question directly. But I knew an IU player that took steroids in the mid ’80’s. His feeling was that a school like IU had more players taking steroids than the top tier schools like OSU or Notre Dame. He said there were only so many ‘freaks of nature’ that have the combinate of size, speed and muscle to go around- especially the linemen. Those guys went to the top programs. Schools like IU had more undersized kids that would be more tempted to cheat just to be able to compete. My guess now is that steroids are not as prevalent as human growth hormone. Wilson bought the players special blue light blocking glasses to increase REM sleep- the only time muscle is being built. So the legitimate science of building muscle has come a long way.

    1. You can usually tell the dudes heavily into steroids…They always seem to be one injection short of foaming from the corner of the mouth.

    2. I think steroid use was near its zenith in the 80s.

      I have a couple friends who are trainers and/or body builders who have pretty freakish physiques. Huge shoulders, arms, and pecs outline six pack abs while pushing 50.

      They both had strokes before their 45th birthday. They insist it is all natural. I think they are lying through their teeth. But, nobody is testing them. I figure ‘the big one’ is any day now.

      But, hey, they look great. At least…they look like…they want to look like. For the time being.

      1. I just saw former Pat, Teddy Bruschi, had his second stroke a few days ago. He is 46.

        He had his first stroke when he was 32.

    3. When I was on campus and around the athletes, steroids were prevalent but what I remember the most was the use of DMSO to treat injuries, not by the staff but the athletes themselves; you knew they were using it by their “dragon breath”. Back in the early and mid 80’s the testing methods were not very good -just look at the East Germans and how they avoided steroid detection for years. Things are much different today as players can get caught just by drinking the wrong energy drink today with something they didn’t know was in the drink or taking a supplement that has an additive they didn’t know about. Still I have little doubt players are able to get around the testing to gain an advantage.

      1. DMSO, I remember that stuff. Had a customer in the 80’s who used it for his arthritis. He had trouble getting it here in Indiana. I found out it was available for equine use in Oklahoma. I made and still make several business trips yearly to the Sooner state and would purchase 3-4 tubes at a veterinary clinic and give it to him when we next would meet. He swore by its results.

        1. I think it is still only prescribed for veterinary use. Mostly equine. If I am not mistaken DMSO was never approved for human use because of liver toxicity issues.

          But, I know people who swore by it, too. I don’t know if they are still alive but they swore by it.

          1. Dimethyl Sulfoxide- I used to use that stuff for a chronic back injury. But then I switched to an anti- inflammation diet- no sugar, flour or fried food, just lots of veggies and omega 3 fat- pastured raised beef, eggs, oily fish. Now I don’t have back problems. My diet ain’t cheap but a whole lot cheaper than back surgery. I also have a 50″ chest and 36″ waist without a gym membership and 106/74 blood pressure. Not bad for 55. I’m convinced health starts and ends in the kitchen.

          2. No sugar, flour or fried food….? That is my diet.

            The only DMSO I’ve tried is Double Mega Stuffed Oreo’s.

    4. “light blocking glasses”…? I always thought Hoosier football teams only did light blocking?
      Helpful ideas, 123. Next time my wife tells me that I sleep too much, I’m gonna tell her I’m building muscle.

      1. H4H- there’s only one problem, you have to do a workout first. But if your wife is anything like mine, she’ll have no problem find things for you that will qualify- move this, pickup that, trim the trees, mow the yard, etc. etc. You’ll have that new beach body in no time.

  21. In other words, getting around easily detectable steroids and finding PED’s which act in similar fashion.

    Swinney said at a news conference that the N.C.A.A. had informed Clemson that trace amounts of ostarine had been found in samples given by Lawrence, the reserve offensive tackle Zach Giella and the freshman tight end Braden Galloway. Ostarine, also known as enobosarm, is used to treat osteoporosis but can also act like an anabolic steroid(courtesy: New York Times).

    I guess that’s the fear and, likely, reality….Hoosiers get caught and it nearly turns into a Kelvin Sampson national story of disgrace. Clemson or Alabama gets caught and it never makes it to ESPN. They simply bring too much money to college athletics to police them too closely….We, on the other hand, can serve as a fine example of what not to do….

    1. Clemson did get caught. Each of those kids were suspended for the CFP games against ND and Alabama.

        1. For some of it. Not sure which weekends I’ll be around but hoping to see Clearwater Academy play. I’m within a half hour or so from there and would like to see the future Hoosiers play.

    2. H4H,
      Correct me if I am wrong, but didn’t the problem with KS get escalated considerably when confronted with the allegations, tried to lie out of it? If I’m wrong, please correct me, I don’t want to put to wrong impression out there if incorrect.

      1. And, personally, I think there should be much harsher penalties for steroid/PED abuses….The future health risks involving such abuses are very well documented(Chet touched on friendships and former NFL players). Programs need to test their players frequently …and the NCAA should communicate very strict penalties for abuses(post season bans, etc). Why do we hold the long term health of athletes with such flippant regard?
        I also don’t believe in the abuse of horses fed PED’s to run their asses off ’til they drop over to satisfy our gambling addicitions….Start with protecting horses and then work our way down to teenagers abused by the sports industry.

        1. Read up on the use of lasix in horseracing and pulmonary edema. It’s pretty terrible.

      2. KS lied when he was being considered for the job, he lied when he was offered and accepted the job, and he lied when he was caught by bumbling, stumbling IU (an intern actually figured out KS was making improper calls) when he was caught not once, but twice, for violating the rules he swore he’d uphold. Chasing him out the door was the only choice if integrity was of any importance.

  22. I don’t remember. My main point is that for something as frivolous as water bottles, backpacks, and 3-way calls made to a recruit(we’re not talking cash, hookers or recruiting outside of the specified dates), it was one hell of a bunch of nothing for the national media to jump on a witch hunt bandwagon(much like the ESPN special about a Hoosier woman’s row team scandal).
    Considering the full spectrum of corruption, spousal abuse at premier organizations, MSU(child abuse/molestation), Penn State(child abuse/molestation), UNC fake classes…and abuses(not to mention guys being forced to practice in sweltering heat), it simply proves how the big $$$ machine in college sports (primarily the giant cash cow football programs and East Coast/ Establishment basketball programs) is protected.

    And even more irony? The following season after the NCAA’s 3-way calling witch hunt given such blown-out-of-proportion attention by national media outlets, the NCAA makes the practice perfectly fine the following year. Not the sort of thing you “burn a program to the ground” over. And the charlatan we hired in the aftermath only made the molehill into a bigger mountain to excuse the incompetent coaching coming down the tracks.

    1. H4H,
      I don’t disagree that all those violations you mentioned should have brought severe penalties. However is KS any less the charlatan than CTC, if he lied about everything as BD has indicated?

      1. However is KS any less the charlatan than CTC, if he lied about everything as BD has indicated?

        Didn’t really want to get into this too much…but I don’t think you find much integrity anywhere anymore. On the spectrum of corrupt deeds, I think Kelvin’s were pretty minor. I also think it was pretty admirable how he gave Devin Davis a second chance at college basketball….And Davis went on to be a very strong contributor on Houston.

        Coaching? There is no comparison. Kelvin knows the game and his teams play strong defense. If not for a pretty difficult pathway, Houston was likely a Final Four team last year. Pretty amazing what he’s done in Houston. I hear he’s also quite generous and very strong in the community(helped start programs to get clothes and shoes to very disadvantaged during last major hurricane).

        I believe in second chances…The righteousness and hypocrisy of the last coach was nauseating to the extreme. As I’ve said, Crean’s players were involved in just as much, if not more, off-the-court issues than Kelvin’s “wreckers.” Maybe Crean’s recruits were better in the classroom, but I think we know there are many socioeconomic factors responsible for much of that.

        But if we are talking coaching competency, I’ve never seen worse than Tom Crean. Kelvin and Archie are competent teachers of the game….and not just recruiters searching for diamonds in the rough to make a name.

  23. Chet- Do you know anything about knee injuries? I think I totally screwed mine up…Of all things, I was replacing an igniter on my oven and must have strained something in the process of extended bending, kneeling and squatting…Didn’t notice anything at first …but started getting very sore next day….and subsequent days. It’s been a week now and pain is not subsiding and it’s very difficult to walk. Not a lot of swelling though….Slight ligament tear?

    1. Well, yeah. Quite a bit, unfortunately. But, at our age, normal wear and tear can be as debilitating as any injury.

      It could be all kinds of things.

          1. I’m a walking diagnosis of multisystem failure.

            Too much to get into.

            I still look really healthy, though, so…there’s that.

    2. Harv- Don’t be scared to go to the Dr. They can diagnose most knee injuries in a few seconds.

      1. My wife had a knee replacement a couple years ago. She tore her ACL back in the day so it was just a matter of time. She’s doing great.

        1. I’ll be facing right knee replacement sometime over the next couple years. Originally injured 50+ yr. ago in HS, again in Army boot camp and again in SE Asia. Has gotten awfully unsupportive and unforgiving. At times affects my gate when I’ve been on my feet for a couple of hours. If there was any chronic significant pain replacement would already have taken place.

          1. She went a long time before reaching the tipping point with the pain. It took a bit but it’s all good now.

            She blew out her ACL in a martial arts tournament and had it repaired. They told her at the time the average was about 17 years before a replacement would be needed.

            It was one month beyond 17 years.

      2. Hate the idea of going under the knife….Knee was hurting like hell and I was hobbling everywhere for the last few days. Decided to take an Epsom salts bath(with very hot water) last night..I’ll be damn, in about six hours my knee felt about 70% better. Gonna try another today….Also put a bag of frozen corn on the knee immediately after the salt bath. Maybe it’s all coincidence(since I’m about a week out from the original onset of the pain that was not improving), but it’s feeling considerably better.

        Thanks for all the advice…P.S. I do have quite the fear of doctors. Most I’ve seen are highly incompetent. Indy is a terrible town (in my opinion) for knowledgeable and responsible healthcare.

        Keep trying to live in denial about the “age” thing….My old man made it to 90(was still strong as an ox and had his cheerful disposition until the end) but diabetes took his eyes(glaucoma) and destroyed his kidneys. After an emergency dialysis procedure, his heart went into full cardiac arrest. They had to break four of his ribs to resuscitate. We were told he probably wouldn’t make it another 12-24 hours and more heart stoppages were imminent. Thirty days later, they had to pull him off life support . Kidneys failing and blood toxic….but his heart would never quit.

          1. You never know how it will play out.

            Yes, I have put serious demands on the equipment. But, I have been a lifelong athlete. I eat well. Take all the good natural juju. I am the same weight as when my drill instructor was done with me.

            Apparently, you CAN wear your body out.

  24. Don’t know about the rest of the gang, but we sure are dating ourselves big time today!!!

      1. Chet, I like you am glad to just be still in the game at this point. Grandchildren sure give me extra reasons to stay in the game.

  25. Still not ready for hollowed out tennis balls at the end of my walker legs….but time is going way too fast. Does it speed up with age….? I feel like I’m riding that famous carnival ride(“music express”…or “caterpillar” ride). Begins out quite slow……Then faster..and faster..Favorite song plays while everything zips on by in blurry fashion. Ups and downs…Ups and downs…Oops. Here we go in reverse…Forward. Is it over? Slow down. Stop.

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