1. As good a performance by an IU QB and receivers as I can remember. Same result. I can only offer this bit of advice to whomever is in a position to implement it. With a full understanding that he and his team would face higher regarded recruits and greater quality depth in 7-10 games a year, Bill Mallory, even with a losing career record, still is the all time winmaster. Mallory knew that the ONLY way to successfully compete was to maintain control of the ball by running the clock and getting first downs. In spite of the fact that IU’s defenses weren’t always the best, special teams were superior with legendary kickers like Stoyanovich (now Logan Justus). Smith, Harkrader, Dunbar and Thompson weren’t heavily recruited players, yet they had good if not great careers at IU. It doesn’t matter if helmets have headphones or every play can be instantaneously reviewed,…4 things have not changed that ultimately determine the ebb, flow and many times the outcome of a football game; The clock; 4 downs in which to gain 10 yards; Maintaining possession by running the ball for first downs; Stopping the run. Ask Earl Bruce. IU pounded OSU 2 years in a row and cost him his job. With smaller, well coached players, Army and Navy have used this approach to become so uniquely effective that other teams must plan for months in advance. I’m not suggesting a wing T but I am saying that as long as IU lags behind Big 10 powers in recruiting this is the single best approach to getting out of the basement. The run D must get better for this to work. Thanks to Mike Hart, IU already has very capable RB’s. The OL recruiting and development will have to get much, much better, but it has happened and it is the only reasonable solution. At one point Penix and his receivers were 20 for 20, Tom Brady numbers, and they still lost. Playing in the Copper and Liberty Bowls are a lot better than sitting at home.

    1. Correction to your correction. IU did win back to back. It likely did cost Bruce his job. John Cooper, while the HC in loss number 2, lasted quite a while and was let go for a myriad of disappointments, not just losing the Indiana.
      As for AT, what big programs were knocking his door down over in Terre Haute? Please share.

      1. AT and Dunbar both had Michigan offers, among others. AT was a full qualifier and heavily recruited. VD did not qualify and had to go the JC route, but even then Michigan extended an offer.

  2. AT and Dunbar were very heavily recruited players. And the first loss was enough to cost Bruce his job. John Cooper took over from there.

    1. I stand corrected on Cooper. I heard otherwise on Anthony, at least from upper echelon programs. In a Jimmy Johnson TV interview recently he spoke about how he decided on drafting E Smith. All of his staff wanted AT. Jimmy pointed out ES’s speed and breakaway ability….saying “the other guy runs hard but he’s just too slow”. We’re taking the Florida guy if he’s on the board.” Interesting retrospective. While I’m at it, is there anything that you guys remotely approve of that I submit or just enjoying bustin’ my bxxxx?

  3. Brad if your point about putting in the option running game IE Navy and Army, AF was good with it too I would point out there are teams like GT, Southern Georgia and others not sustaining success with the option so it doesn’t solve all problems. I think IU is on the right track and give them time to bring in the right players we will see IU winning these games. Wilson had a pass heavy game that scored a lot of points just didn’t have a defense to go with he by the time he brought in coach Allen the defense improved but his offense didn’t have the players to be pass happy due to declining recruiting classes.

    I have wondered, don’t like the option in today’s football, if an option coach could turn IU around but as we have seen at some other schools it is hard to maintain success with it.

    1. V13,
      I agree with your comments, but I think the Paul Johnson tenure at GT is the best example. In recent years, Johnson was probably the best known and was very good at the offense. However, what worked for him at Navy, could not sustain success in a P5 conference even with GT’s long and relatively good FB history. Same holds true for some of the more exotic approaches found in non P5 conferences. They look good on paper, but don’t work so hot when up against true upper level P5 competition. You will have the exception periodically, but it does not sustain long term.

      1. It could work in a P5 conference, but you would need to recruit the kind of high character kids that the service academies bring in, and it’s nearly impossible to fill a roster with kids like that.

  4. You would have to be out of your mind to run the option with Penix.

    So, IU finally gets a quarterback with a 5 star arm but he is a slender, injury prone redshirt freshman. Run the option? Not a chance in the world.

    I wouldn’t want him juggling chainsaws either.

  5. IU’s offense, when Penix is playing QB, does not appear to be the problem this season. Yes, we must improve the running game, but IU’s offense wasn’t the problem Saturday against a very good MSU defense. And special teams are doing O.K. So from my vantage point, IU’s defense has been the problem so far this season. It’s not good against the run and we’re not getting many take-aways. Did an IU defender even touch MSU’s QB on Saturday? The guy ran for 70 yards! IU has produced just two INTs so far this season, and our DBs have already dropped three times that number of INTs, one of which would have been a game-winning pick six on Saturday! And penalties have hurt us. We’ve been flagged more times than our opponents, and we seem to commit penalties at the worst possible times. So yea, these issues can be attributed to having young players, but it can also be attributed to coaching. Our defenders need to play with more confidence, tackle better, and our DBs need be more aggressive in pass defense and learn how to catch the balls.

  6. Please correct me if I’m wrong…but I thought I heard there’s been criticism of Alabama’s offense because they have very little run game. The response to such criticism was something like this (I’m also paraphrasing) : An offense that can exploit by hitting on multiple short yardage throws to a plethora of dynamic backs and receivers is a run game….or, even, better than a run game. Alabama can run the ball and probably run over people whenever they choose. They just don’t choose to run because nobody can stop the speed in their passing game….

    We are no Alabama…We may never be 1/2 an Alabama. But I do think we’ve found something in Penix. And maybe it’s the athletes we have which are complementing a much quicker and more aware qb under center? Maybe too much is being made of IU’s drop-off in the running game? Maybe it’s sort of a microcosm of an Alabama philosophy? What in the hell is wrong with a 5 to 7 yard pick-up on every pass play? Running backs are HOF candidates if they regularly gain 5 to 7 yards per carry….on successive plays.

    I would like to know Penix’s avg. completion distance if you remove his two longest throws against MSU. My hypothesis is “dunk and dink” was never the problem….The problem was the awareness, the speed in getting the ball to a receiver(crispness and zing on throws)..and the coyness to not telegraph every pass(in other words…not locking the eyes into one receiver from snap to attempt).

    Experts of Scoop: Pass until somebody stops the pass…? Is this Alabama football? Can it be IU Football under the guidance of Michael Penix? How quickly can it evolve into a dangerous offense as Penix and his many options gain more belief? Enquiring minds need to know…GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT……

    1. If you are playing the number 2 ranked run defense in the country and you have connected on your last 20 passes I know the direction I would take.

  7. Forty-five seconds after his plea for balance, Saban said, “If it’s not broke, don’t fix it. We’re making it work and we’re moving the ball, we’re making plays. Why change?” […..]
    “And a lot of the plays we ran today are called runs or RPOs and we end up passing because they’re playing six guys in the box. It’s not the play call as much as it is the design of what we’re doing,” Saban said. “Probably half the passes today were run-pass options, RPOs. They’re playing six guys in the box, and those are all reads to throw. That’s the deal. I’m not apologizing for that, because we continue to make plays.”

    1. That Saban guy just might make it as a college football coach. A little common sense goes a long way. Football is and always has been about moving the chains until you end up in the end zone. How you accomplish that is irrelevant. Lombardi would run sweep after sweep until the opposition proved they could stop it. Bill Walsh would dump and dink all day and just keep moving the chains. There is no right way or wrong way. There is only effective and ineffective.

  8. The passing game looks great with Penix. It was great with Dave Schnell (#2 QB coming out of HS). Schnell didn’t run.
    When defenses loaded the box he passed and made them pay. Penix would get mauled in an run-option offense. I am not suggesting that. What I do think is doable is upgrading OL along with upgrading the defense. Oregon had a couple of great years playing ‘diversion’ football. Kelly is still trying it at UCLA. Leach at Wash St same thing. These approaches are unsustainable. My point is simply this: IU needs to find (pay) a GREAT OL coach (recruiting) and Allen MUST upgrade his work (recruiting) on DL. Hart has shown he already can bring in 4☆ RB’s. Expecting IU to out “athleticize” upper eschelon programs at every position is unrealistic. This ‘shrinks’ the game and determines how the game is played, specifically, limiting the opposition’s possessions. Ya’ think Penix might ‘burn’ defenses that tried to load the box! I might add that while Mallory still scheduled a MAC team every year he also played power 5 teams. He took the Hoosiers to South Bend. NBC, with Bill Walsh/Dick Enberg on the call. They lost, I think something like 42-27 to a top Irish team. They were in the game throughout. Dunbar and OL was great. Now we’re supposed to get excited hosting Eastern Illinois…..

  9. They have upgraded the DL but the players are freshmen or redshirt freshmen. They brought in big DTs from JR college to try and up-grade the DL. Unfortunately no matter how hard you recruit the top DL players don’t come to IU. Very good ones do but it takes time to develop them to match up with B1G OL lines that are seniors and JR. IU has Bedford and Katic that re upgrades but freshmen needing time to gain strength; Bedford looked very good against MSU.

    IU is not OSU or MU that can pull in ready to play linemen so it takes time to develop those players. It isn’t easy to be patient but if your an IU fan you need patience if we are to have a sustainable program. I too worry about Hiller’s recruiting but I am willing to see how this 2020 class shakes out with needing 5 OL players. I do think IU’s performance against MSU, if it continues, will help the recruiting at least for offense.

  10. Now that IU’s facilities are no longer sub-standard, improved recruiting boils down to winning games and having players get drafted. And like John Beilein once remarked, it also takes a significant disruption to a power program within the conference. If Michigan fires Harbaugh in December, Purdue’s season continues to be a grease fire and Illinois dumps Love, that should allow other Big Ten programs, including IU, to poach a few recruits that they otherwise could never sign. Three or four real good players can make a huge difference to a team like IU.

    Until then, I suspect IU will continue to recruit graduate transfers.

  11. Lest we forget, the kids IU recruits, especially O-linemen, do not have to be five or even four star rated players coming out of High School. Dan Feeney, IU’s two-time All American Guard and now the starting Guard for the LA Chargers had three offers coming out of High School. Those offers were from Western Michigan, Illinois and IU. He was not a highly rated or a highly rated player upon HS graduation, but a year later he started all 12 of IU’s games and gave up only one sack as a true freshman. Jason Spriggs was an All State player in Indiana, but he was only rated as a 3-star player. He too started all 12 games as a true freshman and eventually went on to be drafted in the second round. Both those guys obviously had great college careers.

    Kids with the raw size, body type, athletic ability and intelligence, combined with great determination (i.e., a chip on their shoulder) can be developed into highly effective Big Ten O-linemen. The key is the ability to identify those kids in High School and then develop them into good college players. I read somewhere (I think it was Sports Illustrated) that Wisconsin rarely signs an O-line player ranked above 3-stars coming out of High School. But they obviously develop those cheese-eaters into highly effective football players.

  12. You know I saw the venting over the weekend regarding a tough loss. Some took it so personal they nearly ventured into West Laffy territory. Fortunately, most have begun to reel in their emotions and look at things rationally. The first thing which has to be realized is IUFB cannot be compared to any other program in the country because there is no other template or pattern for a school mired in this much FB futility. Nothing is really even close. Only Kansas State ever approached IUFB’s level, and it took a special coach who would believe in them enough to build a program. It is not about who the coach is as much is it is what they are.

    Regardless of your thoughts about TA’s emotional approach, there is one thing you can say about him. He is passionate about IUFB. He wears his feelings on his sleeve for all to see and doesn’t care whether we like it or not. I cannot recall other than maybe Bill Mallory, a coach so emotionally invested in IUFB. That is a strong positive. We may not like some of how it appears, but it such may be necessary to carry IUFB through the long process of becoming a respectable program. Every quick turnaround we see in P5 football normally comes from schools with at least a little bit better history than IUFB. At least they have something more than nothing to build on.

    Whether anyone realizes it or not, IUFB has begun to accumulate some pieces to the puzzle which have to potential to be transformation. Not the least of which is a QB with a much higher potential ceiling than IU has possessed in many years. We can even see how this QB with a strong arm deep pass threat capability even transforms the short passing game. How is this possible? It is even more important on a short pass that the ball arrive quickly with velocity than on a deep pass. The margins for error are even tighter, because if the ball arrives at the same time as the defender, bad things can happen to both the ball and your receiver. Got to give you receiver a fighting chance, even if it is nothing more than an extra second to make a move.

    The only good thing about getting old is your perspective of time is much larger, assuming you can remember anything. I’ve seen far too many IUFB coaches come and go with things remaining essentially the same. Some posters have made an issue of TA ripping young Wommack on the sidelines, you haven’t seen much SEC football. If you are going to survive in that conference you better have some passion and fire, it is not for the timid of heart. Young Wommack knowing that background better than most, would have been more concerned if TA hadn’t have ripped him!

    The key is patience with the process. Some may say IU has a 130 year history of patience. Okay then, how about a little patience with a coach trying to do the near impossible. Make a winner out of IUFB. Remember, no program in P5 football has anywhere near as dismal a football history as IUFB. It will take a special coach to pull this wagon out of a football ditch the size of the Grand Canyon. Maybe TA might be just that, time will tell, but we have to give him that time.

      1. t,
        I hate to say it, but you may be right. The big caveat is are we seeing progress each year, even if only minimal? So far this year, it is way too early to make that determination. The real test of where IUFB is at is not with OSU, MSU, BSU, EIU, or UConn, but with the 3 games after Rutgers.

        If Rutgers is a bust, major problems. If not, then Maryland, Nebraska, and Northwestern will really tell us if any progress has been made. Great that this 4 game stretch is coming between the bye weeks. If things go well the next 4 games, it gives IUFB a chance to catch their breath before going into the final 3 very tough games. UM, PSU, and your main rival. For once the scheduling actually setup very well to IUFB’s advantage. Whether or not IUFB can take advantage of it remains to be seen.

    1. Wow…It’s like you guys grabbed my training manual: How to Not Get Noticed By Writing Too Much

      Regardless of your thoughts about TA’s emotional approach, there is one thing you can say about him. He is passionate about IUFB. He wears his feelings on his sleeve for all to see and doesn’t care whether we like it or not. I cannot recall other than maybe Bill Mallory, a coach so emotionally invested in IUFB.

      Come on, man. That’s utter BS. We saw a coach at our basketball program act in the same “invested” manner. Sometimes you’re just so invested in the insecurities of your own ego, you have to prove you’re more invested as if it’s some sort of self-indoctrination for acceptance by coaching peers, fans, etc. Also, these guys are paid millions of dollars to bring winners to programs. They’re not paid on style points. But if the winning and the proclamations of missions(e.g. turning corners, “breakthrough” wins, higher echelon bowl games, deeper NCAA tournament appearances, championships, banners, or simply belonging with the top members from the conference) don’t manifest in results, then the goofy antics merely look like goofy antics and covering one’s a$$ to look so invested as to not get fired.

      This coach needs to turn some corners real fast. He inherited a program in far better shape(with a year of coaching at IU already under his belt) than his predecessor who may not have appeared as invested but changed the perceptions and culture pretty damn quickly. There is a risk in acting like Curly from the Three Stooges at a place like Indiana Football after the coach before was attempting to shed the circus image with everything but the clown.

      We went .500! We made a tackle! We almost beat a Spartan!

      1. Were we the BigTen’s most potent military force…We had the planes..We had the tanks…We had the troops…We had the strategists…We had the eager volunteers deep in the ranks…We had the generals…We had the weaponry….We had it ready and poised to engage any enemy ..or defend against any intruder. Only problem? We had no ammunition. We had no bullets. We had no bombs.
        Enter Michael Penix. IU Football is now a force ready for anything…..or so we think…or so we thinkaboutit?…or so we kid ourselves once again?

        1. We had the military complex…We had the big dollars invested in housing our troops…We had the state of the art training facility…We had the landing field …We had a massive circular fort built of stone ..and empty seats …But we had no ammo! We had no bombs!
          Enter Michael Penix.
          If BigTen football programs were military complexes, what country would we be? Belgium?
          OSU: USA
          Penn State: China
          Michigan: Russia
          Wisconsin: Great Britain
          Michigan State: Germany
          Minnesota: Japan
          Northwestern: Canada
          Rutgers: Mexico
          Maryland: France
          Purdue: Venezuela
          Iowa: Australia
          Nebraska: India
          Illinois: Iran
          IU: Belgium

          1. Harv, you sure revealed a lot of bias, or at least a nineteenth-century zeitgeist, with the above list. Switch out Germany and Great Britain for India and Iran and you’d be a lot more up to date.

      2. C’mon back out of the weeds there H4H!

        I know it is conventional wisdom to believe that TA inherited a program in much better shape than his predecessor. However, was what TA inherited really that good or is it closer to a canard? Looking back at the OL, while possessing some good players, it was not across the board. There were significant issues which have played out over the previous two seasons.

        With this current IUFB edition being forced to rely on a mixture of Freshmen to Seniors, whereas a great number of teams out there are Senior and Junior heavy on the OL at 1 & 2 on the depth charts. Those missing upperclassmen are directly attributable to the two years prior to TA becoming HC, and remember, he didn’t become HC until way late in the recruiting cycle.

        There is one other little problem. This is the first year in how many years that IUFB actually had a possible QB with B1G caliber talent? If you don’t think missing a serviceable QB is not a major issue, I might have to go on a Jester worthy filibuster of an explanation! Somehow I just don’t feel like doing that on a Wednesday afternoon, or any other time for that matter!

        1. I think Sudfeld is in the NFL….I mean, I like Penix more. …but

          And please tell me where we find running backs like Coleman and Howard again(both very solid NFL talent).

          Lynch won ONE conference game per season in his last three seasons at IU….Puhhhhhlease. The program was comatose when Kevin Wilson came on board. And Allen had a year as DC to get acclimated before KW was sent packing…Wilson came in cold turkey with nada, zilch, nothin’ …Listen to the Trudeau interview again. Listen to the sort of mockery….and, dare I say, “jesting” the local radio jocks were giving Kevin Wilson.

          Anyway, blabber on. I was on these threads during the Lynch years. There’s no comparison to the anger in the fans and the lows about as low as they could get concerning the topic of IU Football when Wilson arrived.

          I understand why people disliked Wilson….He was too much like Bobby. Wasn’t gonna take the crap from meddlers and media. Didn’t give us faith doctrines, etc…to portray IU as saintly. Had a lot of piss and vinegar to go along with his offensive genius and up tempo football. OSU doesn’t court IU Football coaches too often…in any capacity.

  13. I watched the game again last night, this time without emotion involved. What stuck out to me were the penalties committed by IU. So many stupid, careless, thoughtless penalties. It truly cost IU that game. Those special teams penalties, like blocking in the back, should allow the guilty parties to be running the stadium steps this entire week.

  14. Here’s my problem with last Saturday’s game, we were told by several football people (coaching staff) that this years defensive secondary was the strong suit of the defense, supposedly the best in years! We were told the quality depth of this unit was it’s best in years! Well, I know we had a couple of injuries going into the game but, where was that quality depth when the MSU receivers were constantly WIDE open time and time again with no one within 5 yards of them over and over again? As the game wore on, the secondary looked like a huge weakness, not a strength! This was very disappointing to be sure. Mullen was certainly a difference maker but, the other DB’s really let us down! And yes, the penalties were a huge issue. penalties are simply a lack of discipline, nothing else!

  15. I am a little concerned with the lack of player development. Seems like every year, TA brings in 2-3 excellent freshmen. Then the next year, there’s 2-3 new guys. But you don’t see a whole lot of guys getting better as the years go on. Few examples- Marcelino Ball. Looked like he was going to be all-world as a freshmen, but hasn’t seemed to do much since; Nick Westbrook- 1,000 yard receiver a few years back, now just kinda there. Stevie Scott- maybe the line is the issue but really not putting up anything close to last year’s numbers. You can say the same with the defensive backs expect for Cam Jones and the running backs except for Ronnie Walker who has gotten better as a blocker. Just seems like some of these guys should have made bigger strides than they have. Also, I get Bedford is a special talent, but what about the other offensive lineman they’ve recruited the last few years? Seems like more should be ready to play. Maybe the reason they are always young is the older guys aren’t developing like they should.

  16. 123, the development issue is a concern but the youth is based on small classes of SR and JR which account for just 25 out of the 85 players on the team. SR and JR players are all part of coach Wilson’s two lowest rated classes. There were many structural issues with the roster when coach Allen took over.

    I hope he is looking at the real issue of development of players and what is the cause. Maybe it is some players looking better due to the players around them being NFL caliber and once they have to step up they fall short because of the younger talent around them. Without being at every practice I can’t say what the problem is with development but watching the games I would say Ball is more an issue of the many rolls he is playing in a game. Westbrook may be teams focus on him opening up other receivers.

    I hope the next four weeks show IU is improved and comes out 4-0 or at least 3-1.

  17. Well, I kind of agree on the point of player development and I kind of don’t. IU had enough athletic talent to beat MSU last Saturday. The athletic talent is clearly improved. But stupid mental mistakes, stupid penalties and bad form just killed IU’s chances. So, yes, in a way, we’re seeing the players improve. But the new guys coming up are making so many stupid mistakes it makes it hard to recognize the improvement. In total, MSU has overall better talent, and they have more mature talent. But we had enough talent to beat them Saturday. We just shot ourselves in the foot again and again and again, especially toward the end of each half.

    Did anyone notice how effective MSU was at tackling. They are excellent tacklers. They go low and IU’s back/wide receiver went down. Watching the rerun on the DVR, I had a hard time finding plays when as MSU defender missed a tackle. IU’s defenders should watch MSU’s tackling technique over and over and over again, and then they should practice in every practice involving pads.

    TA was recently asked about IU’s inability to finish. And in reading his response, I developed a hypothesis that may explain part of the problem. I think TA and his assistants express too much positive emotion and celebrate a little too much in response to positive plays or a score while the game is still in progress. I think that gives his young players a false sense of accomplishment. The players start to celebrate, basking in their coaches’ joy and celebration. Then the players relax a little bit and BOOM, the next thing you know they’ve given up a TD or go three and out and have lost all momentum. Maybe TA needs to reserve his celebrations until after the game is won. If you watched MSU’s coach, he didn’t get the least bit excited when MSU made a great play or scored a TD. He kept that frown on his face and that reserved demeanor until he knew the game was won. Teams develop a collective psychology and they get their signals from their coaching staff. Maybe TA needs to remain a hard ass until the game is clearly in hand.

  18. I think just about every problem has been pointed out and addressed. By comparison, I think we can all agree that when Barry Alvarez was hired as HC at Wisconsin they were pretty bad.
    His coaches, recruiting emulate his leadership as AD. If they don’t, they leave for Arkansas. As was pointed out by a poster (and on their television broadcast last week) EVERY OL player on this squad (first string) is from Wisconsin. Most are 3☆ guys, yet they are annually one of the best in football. Coan’s a good QB but not outstanding. Yes, they have maybe one of the top 2-3 running backs in the country, but don’t you find it amazing that their program has been so successful since Alvarez showed up and stayed regardless of who is on the field.
    My contention is that Alvarez knows what works and stays with it, year in, year out. Big time OL development, minimal penalties, great defenses, clock control by establishing the run and wearing people out. It’s a simple formula and it works. As yourself this: How much success might Penix and IU’s RB corps have with that OL?

  19. Wisky doesn’t have PUke, ND and BSU in state fighting over our small states #’s of D1 OL. Not to mention MSU, OSU and Meatchicken a short drive away on the recruiting highway. Yes, developed by Alvarez, Wisky has an envied template for recruiting OL. But envied also is they have no in state recruiting rival. Sweet deal on a smaller scale to the Buckeyes easy picking in Ohio.

  20. Plus Wisky grows those very big dairy farmer boys. They likely drink the hormones given to the cows…in their morning cereal. Offensive lineman can really Moooooooove people. Did you ever try pushing a cow around? Makes a blocking sled feel like a day off…

    Much Scandinavian, Polish..and German ancestry as well..Everyone is name Buershowitz..or Berghdoff…or Bohanan. Big bones and they stay home and reproduce to either work on the dairy farms or hope to one day block for Aaron Rodgers.

  21. HC makes an excellent point, and I’ve made the same argument before. In football, demographics can affect a program’s destiny, and so does in-state competition for recruiting. I’ve spent a lot of time all over the state of Wisconsin. The heritage of a large portion of the population comes from Northern Europe; you could say many of them appear to be descendants of Vikings and the germanic tribes. The state has a relatively high number of large (tall and thick) young men who grow up there. Just go to a county fair in Wisconsin and look around, you can’t miss them. And as HC points out, there are no other FBS schools, let alone Power-five conference schools, to compete for football talent in Wisconsin. Indiana’s population in 2017 was 6.67 million compared to Wisconsin’s population of 5.8 million people. But we compete with Purdue and ND in state and are surrounded by numerous tradition-rich Power-five-conference schools like OSU, MI, and MSU that routinely sign Indiana talent. That’s one reason that for years I’ve been calling for Fred Glass to increase IU’s FB recruiting budget so that TA can expand his “net” to include areas like Texas and California where there are loads of over-looked (or under-valued) FB talent. TA has done that in Florida and other parts of the southeast, but if given the resources, he can be effective in recruiting other FB talent-rich parts of the country.

    I think a lot of people from Indiana take the beauty of IU’s campus and atmosphere of a college town like Bloomington for granted. IU’s campus is vastly superior and more beautiful than the vast majority of college campuses across the country (I used to be a college recruiter, so I’ve been to many large college campuses). You get an overlooked FB talent from Texas or California on the IU campus, most of those young men will conclude that IU it is a far better environment in which to go to college. My guess is you’d sign a good number of those kids and convert them into “Hoosiers by choice.”

  22. Yes and with the addition of DeBoer the Valley region of California should be good shopping for 1 or 2 players a year for Hoosier FB.

  23. Having also spent a lot of time in places like Fresno, Bakersfield and the Central Valley of California, I wonder how coaches like DeBoer can recruit kids to Fresno State? I’m sorry, but Fresno is a dump and Fresno State is not a beautiful campus.

    There are a lot of good FB players in California that sign with schools like Fresno State, San Jose State, and other mid-major FBS or FCS schools in the west because the California-based PAC-12 schools pass them by. Those schools’ campuses don’t compare with IUB, and many of them are “commuter” schools. One man’s trash is another man’s treasure, and playing in the Big Ten and attending IU would be a major upgrade compared to their other options. Same argument applies to Texas.

    1. I think the fact that they are dealing with kids plays a huge role. A 17 year old kid moving 1800 miles away from the only home they have ever known is probably terrifying for many of them.

      I’d be willing to bet that it is a part of every California and Texas recruiters’ sales pitch.

  24. Wisconsin Scandanavian-Saxon farmboys: Glad everyone noticed. Badgers aren’t interested in any OL prospect considering Muncie, Indiana. As for proximity ‘isolation’; Last time I checked Michigan, Illinois and Minnesota abut its border. Maybe someone should spend some time time up there (only so many OL recruits Wisconsin can take). Speed in Florida. Spec out the Herr Berchtenstein’s in the land of cheese for some beef.

  25. Sorry, PO, but ballplayers don’t give a hoot for the ivy-covered walls and all that jazz. None of them are going to college; they’re going to a football program. As Wilson said in an article about how his new IUFB assistant coaches had to get used to using video instead of a playbook, “These are college kids, so they don’t read . . . .”

  26. Interesting stuff. Northwestern is 1-4 playing just a brutal schedule so far while Minnesota is 5-0 and they have played exactly zero good teams.

    I’m not sure Northwestern isn’t the better team.

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