IU flips Toledo OL commit for 2020 class

Indiana has flipped former Toledo offensive line commit Vinny Sciury, according to multiple reports.

Sciury, a 6-foot, 300-pound guard from Massillon, Ohio, was first contacted by IU less than three weeks ago, according to The Canton Repository.

Sciury is now the Hoosiers’ 14th commit for 2020.

“There was a lot of mixed emotions; I was all over the place,” Sciury told The Repository. “At first I kind of felt disrespected. I was committed and I was like, ‘Why are you offering me now?’ But then the coaches told me they thought I was a great player and they were offering me a full ride.”

Sciury will graduate from Perry High School and semester early and enroll at IU for the spring semester, according to reports. He is the No. 67 prospect in Ohio, and the No. 107 guard prospect in the country, according to 247Sports.


  1. Vinny. Like the name. IU needs a Vinny. Maybe, he will develop into something as a member of the IU football team. However IU blog fans, oh hum, and don’t say how great he is going to be. ( I guess you can if you want to). Haha.

  2. Was that a mis-print or is Vinny the shortest O-linemen IU has recruited in over a decade? Coming in a 300 lbs. is nice, but I’m wondering how much bigger (i.e. heavier) can Vinny get? Not sure this “flip” going to elevate the ranking of IU’s 2020 recruiting class.

    1. Po,
      Are you swept away with the ranking fever too? Class ranking are deceptive at best because the size of the class will skew the rank up or down considerably. The real test is what is the average PLAYER ranking, not where the school winds up on the ranking chart. Right now IUFB is pitching a solid 3* level. To some this may not seem like much but it is the 3rd straight year of the highest IUFB player averages as far back as we can research. It is about player QUALITY, not quantity of bodies.

      The biggest thing about the elevated player averages for the recruiting class is they represent a significant jump from TA’s predecessors. We are talking jumping from around a 2.5* level to 3* and above. Right now the average is hovering around a 3.07 or 3.08* which is higher than TA’s last 2 classes, which were IUFB’s best in recent history. The sooner TA is able to close the gap to the 3.5* and above level, the sooner IUFB will be to actually competing against the elites of the B1G. Remember, the most elite ratings in the country only run in the 3.95 – 4.05* range. The 3.5* range is achievable within 2-3 years if TA’s recruiting trajectory continues on the same path as the last 2, now 3 years.

      1. Not even sure if ranking “averages” means a hill of beans. You still have to have some impact players…(e.g. Penix).
        Wilson had some damn fine running backs(Howard and Coleman) who are doing very well in the NFL. I’m not sure if you want those sorts of guys to be 2.5 to 3.0 star(or if they are, hopefully you’ve identified some severely underrated “impact” players).
        Sure, it’s nice to see averages go up a miniscule, but it’s also nice to have game-changers on your roster in many of those very key positions. Maybe those few impact players don’t change the overall ranking “average” a hell of a lot, but they can change outcomes in games by being big playmakers.
        Lastly, we still look pretty “‘average” against the cream of the crop from the conference. Hopefully, Allen can find some future NFL running backs…and more quarterbacks who can throw more than 40 yards.

      2. thinkaboutit: Not according to 247. Iowa’s avg ranking is higher than IU’s. They are 4th in BIG and 26th nationally. The only lower per-player assessment is that eastern powerhouse, Rutgers. Overall BIG ranking, IU is ahead of MD and the aforementioned. How this trend equates to ‘moving up’ in the conference must be cryptographic.

        1. Brad,
          It appears 247 ranked 2 of Rivals 2* ratings as 3* along with a few other variances. Not sure which rating service will ultimately be correct on the various recruits. As with all borderline 2/3 star players, we may or may not ever see them play in college ball at a B1G level. The key point is IUFB recruiting is improving, and the only service which gives us a historical perspective of significant length is Rivals. 247 just hasn’t been around long enough yet to give that deep of a perspective. They may ultimately prove more accurate, but not a long enough track record yet to be sure.

  3. I was worried there for a second when I read and re-read that Vinny was listed at 6’0″ and 300 lbs. 247Sports has him at 6’4″ and 300 lbs. But I find it interesting that he was not recruited by any other Power-five conference schools. Perhaps he will become another great get and was hidden gem for IU.

  4. It is good to get an OL commit for the 2020 class and I hope they can add an OT to the class. We never know how OL men will turn out as they are hard to evaluate and not know how much they will grow in college. Developing them is critical and having players with the desire and toughness is what determines how good they can be IE Feeney.

    As thinkaboutit has pointed out, the average ranking in the 2020 is good but the overall size will pull down the national ranking for the class. If IU pulls off a 9 win season I would expect the 2021 class to be even better than the 2018-2020 class this staff has brought to IU.

    1. I agree V13,
      I just wish some would look beyond the school rank to the caliber of players being recruited. Iowa currently stands at #26 simply because they have recruited 8 more players than IUFB. If I heard correctly TA only has 4 more spots he wants to fill this year for a total of 18. Iowa has 1 – 4*, just like IUFB. 19 – 3*, 6 more than IUFB, and 2 – 2* of which IUFB has none.

      Because of the 2* players Iowa is currently coming in at a 2.95* average while IUFB is around a 3.07*. Yet Iowa is ranked much higher simply because they have room for at least 8 more scholarships than IUFB this year. This is why the school ranking can be so deceiving. Who knows, next year TA may have room for 25 scholarships. If he continues to recruit near the 3.1* level or higher, with a class that size, it is conceivable that IUFB could have a top 25 class.

    2. A far more reliable way than the simplistic star ratings is to see who your competition is for players. If you’re competing mostly with MAC schools, that’s a problem. Hard to see improvement down the road for IU if they can’t get kids that the upper half of the BiG also want. Right now, that’s why some see IU having trouble.

      1. BD,
        This is true, but if you drill down into the statistics you will find that most in IUFB’s pier group in the B1G are facing the same set of circumstances. When I say pier group I am speaking of the programs outside the upper echelon of 4 or 5 programs. What I do see is IUFB competing with FCS schools on about half of the commits and P5 schools on the other half. The P5 schools do include some reasonable decent programs, and some on the rise.

        1. I’m with BearDown…Most fans don’t care too much about competing with what is now defined as the “middle of the pack.” Terms like “breakthrough” involve competing and defeating some of the upper tier teams. Our record against the upper tier is still as dismal as ever.

          And I would argue “middle of the pack” is far more unstable than the upper tier. One year you’re 5th place, next year you’re on the bottom.
          Much is schedule dependent. With a more difficult conference games outside the top 3(OSU, Michigan, PSU), we may be back to below .500. Nobody would be talking of tenths of percentages in average star rankings if we don’t have that wonderful mid-season conference winning streak against four teams with a collective 4-28 record.

          We can only hope that future 3.08675309 star-ranked recruits do not exam the details of this momentous turnaround/breakthrough for Hoosier Football (e.g. the beyond soft schedule against the non-conference patsies and the 4-28 club from the East & West).

          Bottom Line: We remain in a defeatist age for IU Football. Can any of us ever imagine a guy like Bob Knight being measure by how he does against the “middle tier”(recruiting, standings, NCAA tournament)?
          News flash…The objective is to compete and win against the best(conference and nationally). Yes, Rome wasn’t built in a day….but it was built a hell of a lot faster than an IU football program still ill-equipped (decade after decade) to take down a Michigan or OSU team at home.
          There is no “almost” in belonging. Nobody says they “almost” have a successful career…or they’re almost dating Scarlett Johansson.

          IU football fans have heard this all before…As soon as that “breakthrough” date with Scarlett doesn’t happen(if still following along, that means winning against a hot team in our conference), it’s back to “almost” and average rankings to sell the glass as “almost” half full…(But look at the 3.08675309 ranking of the girl I just asked out!) or whatever suffices when, once again, tucking lines like “signature win” and “breakthrough” back to bed.

          1. t- You nailed it. In what decade do you think IU landing the rare benchwarmer/back-up/second stringer recruited by OSU/Michigan/PSU translates into being enough to take down OSU/Michigan/PSU?

            Call me when we land more than zilch in 4 and 5-star players intended to be starters at OSU.
            But let’s not stop from seeing the glass half full…We have improved to the level of possibly having a third string OSU team wearing cream and crimson. And our average star ranking has gone up 22/100 more than anything ever seen in the history of the program! I’m pumped!

            Wish we could play Clemson….IU Football fans need that sort of reality shock. But maybe we don’t fare much worse than how almost all upper echelon BigTen teams would/will fare?
            There are just degrees of getting demolished….At the end of the day, OSU rubble doesn’t really look much different than Hoosier rubble.
            College Football needs a ‘Wildcard Game.’ Pair of most improved teams from power conferences get to play in a Wildcard for the fourth spot in the College Playoff Championships? Maybe one day Hoosier Football gets in as a Wildcard?

        1. FS,
          I’m glad you picked up on that little item. Got to thinking, you know, if say MAC that rhymes with SWAC (Yes, I know this will bait H4H in), and of course we all know that the SWAC never ever produces quality players either.

          Great catch FS, and thanks for the setup.

          1. I was more talking about players and not teams. The MAC produces NFL players every year, and some end up being amongst the best players in the league.

          2. My point wasn’t that they didn’t have good players but that you can’t hope to build a Big 10 program with them.

  5. Feel good about this OL commit for 2 reasons. 1st, the kid learned and played in a hotbed of Ohio FB + earned All Ohio honors which is damn selective. 2nd, for 2 1/2 seasons I’ve been hard on Hiller. But he has developed the talent that’s been in house to help IUFB get to where it’s at now. I think this player is no less than what he has already developed and has starting games regularly. He’s the kinda rated OL/DL player Iowa and the Badgers thrive on.

    1. I do agree that another measure of recruiting is who else was recruiting a player. However, then you have to look at was a very good to elite program recruiting player to play or to be utilized as a second or third stringer throughout his career??? Examples include qbs transferring around including Tommy Stevens at Penn State. Brandon Peters at Michigan finding out about himself. Hunter Johnson now at Northwestern from Clemson. Would have have Sampson James ever seen the field except for back up roles at Ohio State or due to injury or even then by the time he is a jr or sr….because Ohio State will continue to recruit some of the highest rated running backs in the country (higher than James) over the career of James. Just like qbs and any other position.

  6. Schools like IU have to take chances on players not rated *5 and *4 except for a few, to find quality players that can play at a high level in the B1G. Unfortunately many star players don’t want to come to programs to build up the teams even though many sit on the bench for most of their career. Unless some see the value of being part of the group that changes a program then don’t expect the coaches to bring in a class of *5 and *4. IU coaches are behind the eight ball and just like Northwestern it isn’t easy to build a roster that can compete every season.

    As fans we want the team to be a B1G champion but reality is IU doesn’t have a good FB tradition or fan base and it is a big hurdle to overcome for the coaches to develop a B1G Champion.

    1. V13,
      When you are a 130 legacy of being the worst FB program in college FB history, fixing that doesn’t happen overnight. None of the other quick turnarounds for schools having a down period have anywhere near the history of the futility of IUFB. Any movement forward, regardless the pace should be applauded. No other school in D1 history has anywhere close to the weight the IUFB futility.

  7. A player like Bedford this year shows how much recruiting matters. Yes, offensive linemen develop but some enter college more athletic and more developed than others. I hope this kid is a great player. He’s supposedly naturally strong with a nasty streak and is a better run blocker than pass protector. IU needs someone that can open holes in the run game. Both Michigan’s and OSU’s defensive lines owned IU’s offensive line. It’s hard to find naturally big and athletic guys. Hiller has missed on a bunch of high rated players. Hopefully, this kid is a diamond in the rough.

  8. IU has gone 29-32 over the past 5 years and will have played in 3 bowl games. Time to stop using their record or history as a crutch. IU is an average team- not good or great but certainly not terrible. No one cares about their record last decade let alone last century.

  9. 123,
    That logic would work if this scenario had not played out multiple times before. The Mallory years arguably contained one of the best periods of time in IUFB history with more wins and more bowls, but yet we see the futility cycle repeated during and after his tenure. If your historical perspective is broad enough you can see this pattern in IUFB history over and over. The problem is not a 5 year period, but the systemic culture of the institution over the 130 year history of the FB program. Without a change in Hoosier Nation, the cycle will likely repeat itself again. Everyone should know what doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result is the definition of.

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