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  1. The Herald Tabloid strikes again!

    Is it really necessary to substantiate this rumor in your blog before confirming the facts?? This is on par with the IDS!

  2. You and Korman are becoming really pathetic. Journalistic Blogs should never give a paper license to market in rumor for the sake a salacious content. Do the heavy lifting and substantiate your claims before you drag someone through the mud.

    I really hope it’s false and you get sued for such carelessness.

  3. This rumor, based on an Internet report, reached the point that we had fans asking us about it tonight and the AP bureau from Indianapolis called to see if we had a story on it.

    We reported earlier that this widely spread rumor was out there and we were checking into it. At this point, we’re reporting to you that we have found no evidence that it is true. Part of our job is to confirm or disprove rumors such as this. When we disprove them, we’re helping to clear someone’s name.

    We’ll let you know if we learn anything further about this, one way or the other, tomorrow.

  4. So…how did Gordon look out there? Does he wear #23?
    Did he get back on track from downtown?
    Did Gordon play some point?
    Did Gordon ever seem to ‘put the peddle to the metal”?
    Does the offense include some clear-outs for him to create on his own? Was JeMarcus Ellis all over the place?
    Did Crawford, Bassett, & Gordon look fast out there, or what?
    Did Gordon’s man ever touch or see the ball?
    Was Gordon ever double-teamed?
    Just think..exactly.one year from now…
    Can’t help but to look ahead…
    2008 in China…I envision…The U.S. starting five:
    Lebron, Kobe, Gordon, Howard, & Stoudamire.
    Period. End of story.
    Run, Gun & Pop.
    The Hoosiers will look like the NCAA version of
    the Phoenix Suns…quick, fast, & very good shooters.
    Picture this…
    we scored 13 points in the first half of the UCLA game last year. No way that will happen again.
    Gordon may average 13.0….from the free-throw line.
    I have not been so psyched about an IU season since 1976.

  5. IT’S FOOTBALL SEASON.

    And instead of getting psyched for it, we’re talking about an off field rumor in a sport that isn’t in season.

    There isn’t even one article on the front page about football even.

  6. Doug wrote:
    “We reported earlier that this widely spread rumor was out there and we were checking into it.”

    That’s the problem. Acknowledging the rumor before any additional information is found belongs on non-journalistic websites. The HT should hold itself to a much higher standard before posting the rumor. Verify, verify, verify.

    More disappointing is that the reporter posting the unsubstantiated rumor was Korman — and he is out of the country with the IU Basketball program. Isn’t there someone from IU with the team that Chris could have consulted? Doesn’t Chris have a phone number for folks like J.D. Campbell or Jeff Cieply? I just found out who they are by searching IU’s website and my guess is that you two have those numbers.

    Doug wrote:
    “At this point, we’re reporting to you that we have found no evidence that it is true. Part of our job is to confirm or disprove rumors such as this. When we disprove them, we’re helping to clear someone’s name.

    Yes. At this point. But there is feeling that you hope at a future time you’ve got AJ.

    Do us all a favor and sit down with Mayer, Z, and invite Bob Hammel along to talk about journalistic ethics in sports. Give the kid the break until you verify the story — instead of basing the entire post off of this message from Peegs.com:

    “bad news about a basketball player
    a guard that probably won’t be playing for the first 8 or 9 games got a drinking ticket last nite. Not sure what KS will do about that.”

    And even the guy who posted that message, linking to his IU sports blog, has nothing written about it to substantiate the story.

    Your post fed the fire. And even if the story is verified, the process of blog reporting chosen by the HT would never be tolerated in other contexts. If a local public official would have been the subject of this rumor on a political website this story would have NEVER seen the light of day until fully reported.

    If Kurt VanDerDusen loses a job because of sloppy reporting for not being on location, how in the world can this situation be tolerated in the sports section of the paper?

  7. Former IU basketball star, Robert Vaden, was in fact arrested on 8/31/07 along with four other UAB players for alcohol related charges. See http://blog.al.com/spotnews/. It is likely that the internet rumor monger may have confused Robert Vaden for AJ.

  8. Mulder —

    It’s not damned if you do, damned if you don’t if the HT does some actual “reporting” before bringing information to the public. In this situation there is a potentially character damaging accusation printed on a journalistic website without one iota of reporting behind it. That earns damnation….

  9. what???? – When there is a wide spread rumor, that has the AP as well as the readers asking Doug and Chris for news, then there job is to act on it. They stated it is a wide spread rumor, that they have found no proof, and will report more as they learn more. There is nothing wrong in what they did.

    Doug and Chris – keep up the fine work.

  10. The Scoop has turned into a journalism ethics class. Which is good. This is all about transparency.

    And I’d like to share my thoughts, briefly, before I head off to the gym.

    What???, I know where you’re coming from and I understand what you’re saying.

    I just think we’re in a different climate now. The A.J. thing had already been “reported” on another site through the auspices of a message board, one widely read by the same audience that reads this blog. For us to simply ignore it leaves a big hole in our coverage. But to say, “Hey, there’s not confirmation on this but we’ll keep asking around,” is an honest way of covering the story.

    The notion that we’re out “to get” anything other than the truth about the story is absurd. We face a choice: let the rumor float for a while and possibly never be confirmed or shot down, or acknowledge the rumor and try to get the truth, either way, and report it at that time.

    I believe it’s most fair for our sources and our readers that we choose the second option. If A.J. did nothing wrong, that needs to be clear.

    In many ways this is the same process we’ve always gone through, but now you are more aware of it happening. That’s part of my philosophy — I’d like to let you guys know how I work to get stories. Reporters aren’t secret agents, and shouldn’t act like they are.

    And yes, I’ve discussed this with J.D. Campbell and others around the program. They’ve been pretty busy and are concentrating on this trip. They’ll comment on this IF anything becomes official.

    So, that’s where it stands. You’re welcome to disagree and I’m thankful that some of you do. We’re all feeling our way through the new media world and trying to figure out how best to do our jobs. Your input helps.

    Chris

  11. But the first post merely restated the rumor and offered nothing else, which is poor journalism. This was not fair to A.J. The “we are aware of an internet rumor” post was incredibly irresponsible and unfair. Do some reporting and then write something to the blog. Would a “we are aware of an internet rumor,” (which, mind you, is potentially libelous) story make it into print? Definitely not. So why treat the internet any differently?

    The HT is losing its credibility and I hope it further scrutinizes such posting in the future.

  12. Chris,

    I don’t think you can call things posted on peegs a “report.” That would be like taking something someone said at a bar as a “report.” There is absolutely zero credibility to it. The internet gives everybody a megaphone, and I think you and I know there are a lot of idiots out there.

    That’s not to say you shouldn’t pursue it. But the difference between the HT and the Peegs message board is that with everything you write, your readers should believe it to be true. There is a market for unfounded rumors and gossip — peegs. But this site should be a place where rumors stop and the truth comes out.

    Unfortunately with the A.J. posts, that has not been the case.

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