NCAA will push for 4 major violations, not 5

Indiana University has received the Case Summary — a document that is exactly what it sounds like it is — from the NCAA in advance of the June 13-14 hearing in Seattle to adjudicate the case against the men’s basketball program.

The Herald-Times will receive a full copy of the document through a public records request once it has been reviewed by the university’s lawyers.

But IU has already revealed one favorable tidbit from the summary: the NCAA Enforcement staff has agreed with Indiana’s position that the fifth violation listed in the original letter of allegations — which involved an impermissible gift to 2009 recruit Derek Elston — should be a secondary infraction and not a major infraction.

Indiana officials have refused to discuss the case summary.


  1. I am kind of nervous about what the NCAA is going to do, but i am hoping they dont put no post season ban on us.

  2. really doesn’t matter if it’s a 1 year ban b/c there’s no way we’ll go to any tourney this year!

  3. This is just the start…you wait and see this is the first of many “retractions” by the NCAA. As more comes out about how improper this investigation was, you will see the NCAA correcting themselves for all the “mistakes” they made. The NCAA went on a wild goose-hunt to find anyone or anything that could bring down Sampson and the Hoosiers. And the kids who so conveniently “remembered” so well what was said in 1 call from Sampson from two years ago are going to forget what stories and lies they came up with and the NCAA is going to look like the fools and cheaters that everyone knows they are

  4. With the NCAA … anything is possible. How can anyone even dare to predict?

    I do disagree with the assessment that it “really doesn’t matter if it’s a 1 year ban b/c there’s no way we’ll go to any tourney this year!”

    Of course it matters! We don’t want a post-season ban on our record. IF it is determined that the coach(es) lied to the University and it was deceived as well … then IU should not be assessed that severe a penalty IMHO.

    The post-season ban has noting to do with the assumed record of next year’s team which no one knows at this point. As is often said: “That’s why they play the games.” I refer you to the 2008 Super Bowl party in Boston as an example of that.

  5. Sorry, first of many. IU already agreed with the NCAA. Why would they retract something if IU already agreed with them? They wont. I do think the NCAA was little too ambitious against IU but I don’t think they will ever admit to doing wrong, especially if IU doesn’t push it, which it sounds like we are not.

  6. Why in the name of god was giving someone a t-shirt considered a “major violation”?????? mean while, reggie bush and oj mayo are driving around mercades suv’s and wad’s of cash in their pockets. the ncaa is a f***ing joke!

  7. Agreed Steve O, there was a lot of truth to what Maurice Clarett had to say…that is why Ohio State had to squash him like a little bug. Oh, and I personally would like to hear what Jeremy Finch has to say about Florida!

  8. Why is that everyone(except the NCAA) sees this about Ohio St football and USC basketball/football and nothing happens to them? For how many high school teams did OJ Mayo play while in Ohio. Didn’t he win a state title in Ohio and another one in W.Virg? I understand families moving, but I think he has been recruited for many many years prior to USC. I think Tom Izzo at MSU has it right on the head. Get the NCAA and NBA to police themselves NOW because the NBA illness has been infecting NCAA basketball for several years now and it will only get worse instead of better. IU is is just high profile, that is all.

  9. It would be impossible for the NCAA to police every school and every player who comes out of high school. The colleges should be held accountable if they recruit players of questionable status. And that’s how it’s supposed to be now, but schools are turning a blind eye to these players’ actions and their problems coming in becuase they want to win at any cost… And then when someone does some digging later on, and figures out players were getting cash, cars, houses etc, the schools act like they had no idea so they dont have to take any blame… It’s a joke.

  10. “The colleges should be held accountable if they recruit players of questionable status. And that’s how it’s supposed to be now, but schools are turning a blind eye to these players’ actions and their problems coming in becuase they want to win at any cost… And then when someone does some digging later on, and figures out players were getting cash, cars, houses etc, the schools act like they had no idea so they dont have to take any blame”

    — now I know we apparently didn’t have $$ floating around to players, but looking at what you just said applies to our team as well… if one removes the IU goggles.

    IMO IU should also take the responsibility & accountability of what all went down the last few years (regarding several players AND coaches), instead of simply blowing it off by saying ‘well they just lied to us, we didn’t know’.

    To me anyway, that actually puts us in a similar category as those other schools and I don’t like that at all.

  11. I agree with you IU fan, so not sure who is wearing the goggles here, but ok… Anyways, Whatever punishment we recieve will be fair. But these other schools need to be held accountable as well.

  12. And think about this… If IU recieves any type of post-season ban for phone calls and giving out t-shirts, then what should the penalty be for not policing players, and letting guys who recieve money and other perks play for your team?

  13. Many good points here. I think this was like shooting fish in a barrel for the NCAA. They told Sampson not to do something and he did it anyway. Caught in the cookie jar without excuses.

    I really don’t see how they could make things worse for this program. It has been decimated. Sampson is gone and I think that is really what they wanted to accomplish in the first place.

    At the end of the day there are mistakes on both sides. The IU administration ignored the fact the program was falling apart and the NCAA went way too far in making this thing a media circus. Let’s just move on.

    If I was an IU attaroney and things got ugly in these meetings I would shove the USC situation down their throats. I suppose they don’t want to make enemies during this process either unfortunately.

  14. Cheating in college athletics goes back as far as the first teams started playing each other. Purdue is called the ‘Boilermakers’ because 100 years ago they used muscle-bound workers from the Monon railroad yards to fill out their football team. IU has been no cleaner over the years despite the myth of ‘St. Bob’ and his flawless players. It’s inherently contradictory for any university to wrap itself in an ‘ivory tower’ image while operating a mega-million $ athletic department. A kid pretending to be a student for one semester to stay eligible so he can showcase his skills for the NBA or NFL is not a ‘student’ in the same sense that another kid who is trying to get a degree. The NBA and NFL need ‘minor leagues’ like baseball, so that college teams can be predominately kids who are going to college and who happen to be good athletes. There would still be a good number of kids who were serious about a free education and would take advantage of the scholarship – I don’t think the level of play would go down that much and we would wouldn’t be forced to root for so many mercenaries in a hypocritical system.

  15. first of many
    exactly the NCAA is going to need to back track big time. And for the point that some one else made that IU conceded the points yes, but KS did not and I hope he sues the NCAA.

  16. Kurk81,

    That’s interesting about the derivation of the ‘Boilermakers’ nickname. But was that really ‘cheating’? If the railroad workers legitimately went to class and weren’t blockheads?

    I agree with you about the contradiction in major college sports, and the need for more minor leagues. But, it is true that IU hasn’t been in trouble with the NCAA at all since the football team had recruiting violations in 1960. Based on the measuring stick we have to judge relative ‘cleanness’ in university athletics, which is your record with the NCAA, IU has been among the cleanest of all the major programs. That’s not to say that the measuring stick doesn’t have flaws, but if everyone is judged to the same standard, I have to disagree with you that IU has been ‘no cleaner’ than other schools.

    That said, all we should really care about at this point is that Coach Crean runs a clean program and that Sampson’s misdeeds don’t cost current and future players too dearly.

  17. Eric,
    FYI, the original ‘Boilermakers’ weren’t students at all – they were just big strong iron workers who had a little spare time on Saturdays and welcomed the extra income (no, they weren’t volunteer). And, you’re right – IU has been relatively clean over the years, but talk to any faculty member or student who has had contact with high profile athletes in Bloomington over the years and it becomes clear that in many cases (certainly not all) athletes are allowed to simply pretend to be students while they are making the university big money. I share your hope that Coach Crean runs a clean program, and believe he will, but the fact remains that ‘clean’ is a somewhat misleading, ambiguous term when it comes to the business of big-time college sports. We need a long-term solution, not just more effort to make a flawed system work.

  18. Kurk,

    Wow, for an IU fan, you’re a virtual Purdue encyclopedia! Okay, that was crooked if the rail workers weren’t students and were paid. But then that was before any rules really existed to govern that sort of thing.

    I’m under no naive illusion that all IU athletes are brainiacs who legitimately care about education; I was just saying that IU has been more commendable than most in that regard. And I agree that ‘clean’ is a relative term here.

    But, the realities of the situation soon come into focus the deeper you look into college sports. Minor leagues would be a good thing; but the NCAA doesn’t run those and can’t make pro leagues form them. And the money that high-revenue sports make does, to some degree, allow schools to participate in non-revenue sports. As an example, I’ll use the U. of Tennessee (I live in Nashville). A few years ago, UT paid the U. of Wyoming to come to Nashville to play a football game. With the revenue from the game, Wyoming retired substantial debt related to non-revenue sports and operated its entire athletic dept. in the black for the first time in school history. So basically, Wyoming agreed to come to TN and get clobbered in football so the golf, swimming, volleyball, etc. teams could play without worry about how they’d pay for equipment, road trips, etc.

    So while the current system certainly has serious flaws, it may work about as well as any system of intercollegiate athletics can work. That is, unless the NCAA can exert some leverage on professional sports to force them to stop using college sports as minor leagues, which I don’t see happening.

    Wow, for a sports message board, we’re getting in some deep stuff here!

  19. Jaun,

    I totallly agree, I thought there was suppose to be a top-40 player on campus today for his offical visit?!?

  20. Juan and Big Daddy,

    I think since they’ve started this subscription Hoosiers HQ thing, they’re withholding a lot of the best stories on this board. I hate to say that, because I like the H-T and this site, but the blurbs on the right side of the screen are the stories on the subscription site, and they seem to be the most interesting. Maybe they’ll post something about Negedu’s visit some time soon ……..

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