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  1. I’m a big fan of the young guns at the HT sports section, I have confidence you guys are smart and cool and will do a great job so please don’t take this harshly…

    It is becoming a pet peeve of mine to see constant snide stuff about comparing Steve Nash and Jordan Hulls. Nobody anywhere has ever ever ever ever ever ever ever said Hulls is as good as Steve Nash. Lots of people have said they have similar games, Coach Crean has alluded to it, Hulls has said Nash was someone he modeled his game after, and its pretty obvious to me they have really similar styles.

    Every time I hear people swipe at that straw man by suggesting that comparing Hulls to Nash is somehow equivalating the two it completely bewilders me. Hulls is a wonderful recruit, like any other recruit when you try to describe his game to someone you use a recognizable figure like Hugh did with Stockton. Hugh didn’t say he was as good as Stockton.

    Please hit the next person with a board who suggests anyone is saying Hulls is a 2 time NBA MVP talent, nobody is saying that. Its the worst kind of dishonest argument to make.

    Hulls will never be an NBA All Star, I can’t imagine him as an NBA player at all but he is a better recruit out of high school than Nash. He is a top 50 kid with Scout. He is Mr Basketball. He is the kid every former player we have in the gym comes away commenting on as being the key to IU’s future. There is nothing threatening about talking about him being a talented kid and comparing him to famous players people would know what you’re talking about. Its how people communicate. No one would understand if you said Hulls plays like a charged up Elisha Justice. People don’t communicate that way.

    I hope the young, promising, and bright HT sports department doesn’t become so enthralled with being serious jourlanists they take the fun out of this amazing event for tens of thousands of people just because we aren’t going to the final four. Its ok to let people get fired up, you don’t have to have a great team to be legitimately awash in the joys of college sports. Its legit, don’t let it seem threatening to your self image to see the fun going on. You guys could be here for 20 years so don’t ruin it for us and make IU the only school in the big ten who has a skeptical and fun sucking local newspaper. You’re off to a great start imo and don’t need my opinion to know that, but beware trying to be too smart. Only dummies are too smart.

  2. I’m a big fan of the young guns at the HT sports section, I have confidence you guys are smart and cool and will do a great job so please don’t take this harshly…

    It is becoming a pet peeve of mine to see constant snide stuff about comparing Steve Nash and Jordan Hulls. Nobody anywhere has ever ever ever ever ever ever ever said Hulls is as good as Steve Nash. Lots of people have said they have similar games, Coach Crean has alluded to it, Hulls has said Nash was someone he modeled his game after, and its pretty obvious to me they have really similar styles.

    Every time I hear people swipe at that straw man by suggesting that comparing Hulls to Nash is somehow equivalating the two it completely bewilders me. Hulls is a wonderful recruit, like any other recruit when you try to describe his game to someone you use a recognizable figure like Hugh did with Stockton. Hugh didn’t say he was as good as Stockton.

    Please hit the next person with a board who suggests anyone is saying Hulls is a 2 time NBA MVP talent, nobody is saying that. Its the worst kind of dishonest argument to make.

    Hulls will never be an NBA All Star, I can’t imagine him as an NBA player at all but he is a better recruit out of high school than Nash. He is a top 50 kid with Scout. He is Mr Basketball. He is the kid every former player we have in the gym comes away commenting on as being the key to IU’s future. There is nothing threatening about talking about him being a talented kid and comparing him to famous players people would know what you’re talking about. Its how people communicate. No one would understand if you said Hulls plays like a charged up Elisha Justice. People don’t communicate that way.

    I grew up reading Hammel and since the internet get to read the stuff from most of the other papers from other B10 schools. Every one of them seems to appreciate how great it is to have B10 football and basketball in town, sees that tens of thousands of people revel in each game, each program has great athletes and mostly wonderful kids and colorful coaches. I’m very confident in you guys’ ability and have interacted with you enough to get the impression you’re great guys. But its a little frightening when everything is framed for what it is not, everyone seems so guarded and overly skeptical. This is the only time our program has been rebuilt since the early seventies, its ok if we enjoy it some even if we don’t make the tournament another year. You’re off to a great start imo and don’t need my opinion to know that, but this team not being a tournament team is not so big of a deal so that you have to put an asterisk by every positive observation. It can be a great season anyway, that’s the whole point of college athletics. The games, the people, every game is a celebration.

    Sampson’s gone, lets have some fun.

  3. I disagree. Korman has already shown signs that he is a hack with his Crews posting a few weeks ago. I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up like Jayson Blair in the long run because of his hatred for Knight.

  4. We’ve got some people telling us to not be so serious.

    We’ve got others who extrapolate one joke into a prediction that one day I will soil every tenant of the profession I’ve dedicated my life to.

    Long live the internet.

    Rocko, I don’t hate Bob Knight. I don’t have much of an opinion on him outside of what, as far as I can tell, is the general feeling in most of the rest of the country: he’s one of the greatest basketball coaches of all time, and he had one helluva temper.

    Believe me, I’ve read whatever I can get my hands on about the old hoops coach. Each year at the Red Cross Book Fair I pick up another book about Knight. As soon as I got hired here I went back and scoured the famous magazine articles about him. I’ve spoken to former players and managers about what it was like dealing with him.

    What have I learned? He was a mad genius.

  5. CAM,

    Thanks for your comments. You know I respect what you think.

    I wasn’t there for the Hulls-Nash discussion, but I’ve gone back and read through it. I see where you are coming from. Everybody does want to be able to compare these young kids to somebody. That is, in fact, how we communicate. When Tim Buckley first say Hulls play,he called Tom Crean and said: “This kid is Travis Diener.” Then he watched another game and called Crean and said: “This kid is Steve Nash.”

    Which is all fine and good. You better believe Crean and Buckley both know Hulls has a long, long, long way to go to be a good college player, though.

    I think that’s what Hugh and Dustin were guarding against: unrealistic expectations. You’ve been around the recruiting game. You know nothing good comes of a kid getting over-hyped.

    But I think they’re also just trying to get at the truth. Hugh has seen more than 100 hours of Hulls playing or practicing, both in high school and AAU. He knows the kid’s game. He’s studied it. His opinion has weight.

    Jordan Hulls is Jordan Hulls. I’ve never seen him try to be 1/5th as flashy as Steve Nash.

    As for the tone of our coverage…I’m constantly thinking about it, and trying to measure how we are doing. I think we do celebrate sports and revel in having a Big Ten program here in town. But I think we could do better. And I do think we are — and must be — skeptical. We can improve there, too. When I took over as sports editor I tried to guard against expecting too much, but it turns out I can’t help it: we need to do it all. That includes telling the stories of great teams and promising young athletes. It also means holding people accountable.

    A few weeks after last season, I went back and read our coverage. In even a normal year you tend to be too involved with producing day-to-day to ever have a feel for how the story is landing with your audience.

    Frankly, we did a good job last year with telling the difficult tale of a team that was unlike any other. That was a credit to Doug Wilson, who set the vision for how we’d cover that team. We focused on development, on the emotion involved in dealing with that season, on the personality of the new charismatic coach. Did we slip up? Absolutely. But if you were a regular reader I think you got a good feeling of what was happening inside the Indiana basketball program.

  6. “new charismatic coach”…About as charismatic as Dan Dakich on Quaaludes.

    I love how his CAM’s speech ended with a squat and dump on Kelvin Sampson’s name….Now your opinion really gets my vote.

    Hulls should never be compared to Steve Nash or any NBA talent..Damon Bailey would be far more accurate…A tremendous amount of hype around this kid, but at in six years he’ll probably have a beer-belly and be working as an assistant manager at Dick’s Sporting Goods. Not even sure if he has the skills and physical strength to keep up with Crean’s consistently improving recruiting classes..By his senior year he’ll likely be pulling pine out of his breeches.

  7. Revision:

    “new charismatic coach”…About as charismatic as Dan Dakich on Quaaludes.

    I love how CAM’s speech ended with a squat and dump on Kelvin Sampson’s name….Now your opinion really gets my vote.

    Hulls should never be compared to Steve Nash, or any NBA talent..Damon Bailey would be far more accurate…A tremendous amount of hype around this kid, but in six years he’ll probably have a beer-belly and be working as an assistant manager at Dick’s Sporting Goods. Not even sure if he has the skills and physical strength to keep up with Crean’s consistently improving recruiting classes..By his senior year he’ll likely be pulling pine out of his breeches.

  8. Comparisons are a fact of life. You try and relate one players skills to someone you have watched play in the past. It can be helpful insight and it can be a bad let down so before you do it use a wealth of data. People like coaches past and present, sports writers, sportscasters, diehard fans, etc. have a better idea about certain players because they have access to more data sources. I remember a comment Coach Knight had about Damon Bailey when Damon was just in the 7th grade. Ultimately a basketball players worth is determined on the court. Jordan Hulls was a great high school player and he is in my top ten for the state of Indiana. He was’nt the best ever scorer,rebounder,
    shooter,etc but he made everyone who played with him better and he is a winner. Right now IU needs a winner more than anything and my hope is that his winning ways will continue in college for IU! We may all judge him as a player by what we see
    but it is improper to judge him as a person without knowing him. He is at college to learn and that may include basketball,
    but it is not limited to basketball. He is enrolled as a college freshman at my favorite school. I wish him and all his team mates the best….. and so it begins.

  9. How did Hulls win Mr. Basketball? Every video clip I’ve seen of the kid in action shows me nothing that supports the kid being a top-50 vote-getter…Was it strictly because he had a 4.0 gpa? Is it like seeing Mount Rushmore? Do you just have to be there in person?..I just can’t figure it….Somebody must have pulled a genie out of a bottle..

    Top-10 things more disturbing than Jordan Hulls winning Indiana’s Mr. Basketball?

    #10 Mark Cuban winning Dancing with the Stars.

  10. I dream of Genie, I think you are right on Hulls you half to watch him in person to see how valuable he is. He was the PG on the #4 team in the Nation. His team went undefeated and he had similar results with his AAU team. He plays to make everyone better. Granted his team had real chemistry. Something IU will need in the future. We all hope he and his team mates will get to that point some day. He is a freshman so it is also possible that he will and could struggle. Fans will need to be patience.

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