56 comments

  1. I’ve never watched a game in my life that I believe was rigged…until today. Is there any coincidence Iowa covered the spread by half a point? There should be a full investigation into referee corruption. If the Big Ten has any integrity, they will release them immediately.

  2. I love the videos you guys have been doing – maybe IndyStar will let me do something actually cool to engage the IU fans. Wait, nevermind.

    Seriously, though: to what do you guys attribute these 2nd half meltdowns the last few weeks? IU has looked pretty sharp in the first half of both games. Is it just a lack of halftime adjustments or is it a lack of talent? After all, IU’s secondary has been BURNED the last 2 weeks in the 2nd half…

  3. I don’t mind these guys. We can’t have everyone just take the old-school homer approach to critiquing the team.

  4. I don’t expect them to be homers. I don’t expect that everything they say and write will be wine and roses. But I do expect them to be professional journalists.

  5. Life goes on,

    It would be appropriate to add journalism to your list.

    It takes no effort to draw a contrast from Coach Lynch and his post game remarks to this 9+ min. video.

  6. Casey, I like the work Chris and Dustin do but this vid is too much. Others agree. If you liked it, that’s fine, different strokes and all.

  7. Man, the natives are restless (and nasty) today. Here’s one for the armchair columnists: objectively break down yesterday’s game without taking the same angle that’s already been covered about a half-dozen times this season (and absolutely no references to conspiracies against IU, homer refs, or the like). Have fun with that. Better still, do it on video & with a straight face. I’ll be waiting for the Youtube links.

  8. THE SCOOP VIDEO:
    Any attempt to give serious discussion to IU’s last couple games could only be filled with nothing other than “smirks, sarcasm and blatant disrespect.”

    This video was a great attempt at sincerity..

    In all honesty, I would prefer these two guys for my IU post game commentary.

    THE GAME:

    The TD reversal call was a tragedy…Sadly, I think the only reason a review team could have the underhandedness to take away an obvious touchdown is because the opponent was Indiana…The official on the field was 3 feet from the play..You could see his eyes pointing like headlight beams at Turner’s feet..You simply can’t reverse that call..A Hoosier missed field goal…Iowa score minutes later..Game Over…Far too much credit is being given to the Hawkeyes..This game was stolen. Stolen emotion..Stolen momentum…Stolen because the opponent was Indiana.

    Lynch should do the sensible thing..Quit. Screw being the martyr of Glass’s honorable contact validations..As if bringing a historic bottom-dweller team into the ranks of Big Ten respectability was not challenging enough, Lynch also has to watch winnable games taken away by officials..No amount of poor playing, or poor coaching, could ever come close to the sick feeling in the pit of a stomach when witnessing sporting events tainted with the blatant unbalance of a corrupted whistle. Spit gum? Lynch should have stuck his finger down his throat and vomited on one of the criminals dressed in stripes.

  9. The TD reversal was a horrible call.

    IU gets no points after the missed field goal.

    Three plays later, INT, IU ball back 1st & 10 from the 24.

    IU then goes 3 and out and kicks a field goal. The lead is now 24-14. Five plays later, IU gets another INT. The offense then goes 3 and out and punts.

    The NEXT play was a 92 yard TD pass for Iowa. THERE is your swing. Five plays later, 66 yard TD pass for Iowa, GAME OVER!

    The reversal is NOT the reason for the melt down.

    Nine games played this season. IU has been out scored in the 2nd half of 7 of those games. It’s not anything new. It isn’t one bad play or one bad call that swings it, it is an established pattern.

  10. Mike P-

    Thank you. This defense, especially the secondary, has worked its butt off this year, especially in the Big 10. Although they’ve been lit up at times, they’ve created turnover after turnover and given the offense chance after chance to put games away.

    All the offense can do is sputter, time and time again, and produce nothing but field goals and 3 and outs. THe tired defensive group has to trot back out onto the field just moments after each turnover they’ve created. NO wonder they fall apart in the second half every game. I don’t blame them.

    I agree that the replay system in this league is absolutely atrocious. THe biggest joke in my mind is the fact that plays are only supposed to be overturned when there is “conclusive” proof. The refs, dating back to the Michigan game, have overturned calls against IU when they can’t even see the play from a decent camera angle. It’s pathetic.

    The only thing more pathetic is this coaching staff, and the way they respond to adversity. How one problem such as 2nd half scoring can persist for so long, I have no idea.

  11. HT,

    Exactly. Eight interceptions in two games by the defense. Three points scored off those eight interceptions by the offense.

    Last week:
    1st INT, 3 plays & a punt. 2:06 off clock.
    2nd INT, 6 plays & a punt, blocked for a safety. 1:58 off clock.
    3rd INT, 6 plays & a turn over on downs. 3:18 off clock.

    15 plays, 0 points, 7:22 off clock,

    This week:
    1st INT, 3 plays & a punt. 1:29 off clock.
    2nd INT, 5 plays & a punt. 2:36 off clock.
    3rd INT, 2 plays & an INT returned for a TD. :59 off clock
    4th INT, 3 plays & a field goal. 2:02 off clock
    5th INT, 3 plays & a punt. 2:19 off clock.

    16 plays, 3 points, 9:25 off clock.

    They are failing to capitalize on opportunities the defense is giving them.

  12. We can pluck the chicken feather-by-feather ’til it’s bald…I still say the officials stole this game..I repeat, this game.
    The freak interception by Iowa(Indiana 3rd and goal @Iowa 2 yd line)brought the Hawkeyes back into the game(a gut-wrenching unlucky play when the Hoosiers could have easily been going up 28-7..that’s equivalent to a 14 point swing) Indiana answered at this critical stage in the game..they took the ball the length of the field(21 yard return off the kickoff and 4 plays later they’re @ Iowa ll yd line)..Chappell touchdown to Turner…NOT! Two big turn of events going against Hoosier scoring drives in a matter of minutes..

    Review:

    Freak interception Resulting in Iowa TD:
    (-7 Hoosiers) (+ 7 Iowa)

    Horrendous TD Reversal Call (-7 Hoosiers)

    Total Swing in Points:
    -17 Hoosiers ◄—–21 Point Swing——-► +7 Iowa

    GAME OVER.

    Mike P-

    “IU then goes 3 and out and kicks a field goal. The lead is now 24-14. Five plays later, IU gets another INT. The offense then goes 3 and out and punts.”

    Though nothing shall change my mind that the reversal call was the ultimate travesty that stole the game, I think your analysis of the “swing” is a bit of oversimplification… You failed to mention 2 key holding calls against the Hoosiers with your “3 and out and punts” synopsis. That drive began with a holding call (Chappell threw three complete passes only to see penalties continue to back up the drive…On paper it looks like a “3 and out” with only 7 net yds gained…IU started the drive 1st and 20 and had a 4th and 1 taken away due to a holding call..there was 31 yds of offense generated with most negated by whistles).
    Again, momentum killers…Were the officials stymieing another drive for Indiana and thus preventing the necessary momentum to get back into the game?
    Aren’t the Hoosiers one of the most penalized teams in the Big 10?…”All the offense can do is sputter, time and time again, and produce nothing but field goals and 3 and outs”, H.T. said. Is all of that sputtering due to play calling, incomplete passes, etc?…You guys are failing to address the single most relevant poison in the Hoosiers lackluster offensive game…PENALTIES! Take away 1/3 the penalties, some unbelievable erroneous official’s calls during key moments in games, and the Hoosiers could be fighting for a top-four position in the conference standings.
    After witnessing the obvious tainted crews in stripes at Michigan and Iowa, I’m beginning to wonder about the legitimacy of many less scrutinized blown whistles against the Hoosiers…No analysis of the Hoosiers crazy season should be void of discussing how the men in stripes have had a huge impact.

  13. Aren’t penalties are a coaching issue too?

    Downing, you simply can’t write off or explain away as ‘oversimplification’ Mike’s last statistical breakdown. You are doing a wonderful Karl Rove impersonation, and your great ability to be polemical will keep the responses coming I’m sure.

    Let’s just let the power of the raw statistics speak for itself:

    8 interceptions in 2 games. 3 points.

    8 interceptions. 3 points.

    8 interceptions. 3 points.

    8 interceptions. 3 points.

  14. Thank heavens for the IDS, by the way, who is making no such attempt to spin this one:

    “The Hoosiers had a 21-7 lead at halftime, but the offense mustered only three second-half points and quickly surrendered its lead and the game to an opportunistic Iowa defense.

    For the second straight week, the Hoosier defense created interceptions that resulted in few points. Last week, IU picked off Northwestern quarterback Mike Kafka three times. This week, IU intercepted Iowa’s Ricky Stanzi five times.

    The result from those turnovers: one field goal.”

  15. Nuge-

    Yes, penalties can definitely be a coaching issue…I said that weeks ago..I can dig out the old post if you like..I actually had that in my original post, but I thought it unnecessary to once again explain the numerous possibilities for why the team is accumulating so many flags per game. The post was already way too long. Here we go again…

    Three Possibilities for Penalties:
    1.Poor game preparation/coaching
    2.Out-manned at key positions(holding calls on offense, pass interference on defense, are the types of penalties that can often be a result of not matching up with superior talent on other side of the ball)
    3.Biased and/or Inept Officials

    The main focus of my rant was the following:

    A. I still think it very hard emotionally on a team(not to mention IU was facing the supposed best team in B-10 conference and the #5? ranked team in the nation)to bounce back from a double cannon shot that gave Iowa new life – the freak interception, and one drive later the reversal of a touchdown(no honest person on the planet could claim the replay was conclusive enough to overturn the call on the field…I saw the Turner’s foot drag across the turf..I believe most viewers had to see it the same way)

    Answer these questions: Does the rule in place to reverse a call made on the field mean anything?
    Doesn’t the visual evidence have to be conclusive? Am I confused to the rule? I didn’t see anything that would justify reversing the IU touchdown by Turner..No way that kind of highway robbery of 7 points should be allowed..Complete travesty..Makes me sick…How would you like that kind of call in a championship bowl game?

    B. When you guys are speaking of a totally lackluster offense, you ignore the disastrous momentum killing penalties from your discussions… I would hope that whatever the reason for the abundance of penalties, I would certainly hope the coaching staff is attempting to address the issue.

    >

    Interceptions: Interceptions can often be the result of desperation and hurried attempts to get back chunks of yardage taken away because of penalties; forcing the issue on the field because they’ve already dug a hole a result their own mistakes, or have been placed in a hole through a questionable call by someone wearing stripes..

    My Last Word: Penalties should not be ignored as one of the major problems that plague the offense…I’m not claiming a season long officiating conspiracy..The team has many problems. You still can’t deny that two big conference games had monumental calls go against the Hoosiers..You can’t attribute bad coaching to calls that kill key drives and take away points..The reversal call at Iowa is completely inexplicable. In my opinion, it warrants an investigation. I’ve lost all respect for football officiating in the Big Ten(and there wasn’t much to begin with). The prominent teams in the league have enough advantage in talent…They don’t need the men in stripes adding to the complete mountain

  16. Oops…cut off my concluding sentence again.

    “They don’t need the men in stripes adding to the complete mountain of advantage they already possess when facing their underdog opponents.”

    Other edits/cleaning up wordiness:

    B. When speaking of a totally lackluster offense, you shouldn’t ignore the disastrous momentum killing penalties from your discussions… Whatever the reason for the abundance of penalties, I would certainly hope the coaching staff is attempting to address the issue.

    Hang lose, Nuge.

  17. I am sympathetic to the “momentum swing” argument. Hell, I am the one, remember, who still believes that Lynch’s infamous “3rd and 6” call against Northwestern 2 years ago cost the Hoosiers the game because of momentum.

    But let’s get serious here and look at the big picture. As Mike P has constantly reminded us, the Hoosiers have had second half issues dating back well into last year. They have only continued and perpetuated this business so far this year; there is an “offensive” ineptitude (taken in both senses of the word) moving the ball in the second half. This offensive behavior cannot repeatedly be chalked up to chance, bad luck, or other external factors, as a few on this blog have made it their life cause to do.

    I’ll repeat in stating that I think the replay system is atrocious. I’ve seen it kill my two favorite teams this year in tough road games. The NCAA needs to retrain the refs on the whole principle of “conclusive evidence.” Right now, “conclusive evidence” simply means “what the home crowd would like to see.”

    However, I won’t join the diminishing Polyanna chorus in moving most of the responsibility for this play off of the shoulders of Bill and Co. This amounts to perpetuating the culture of victimhood, fate, and apathy that has characterized this program more than any other single factor during its existence.

    Skate or Die, dude.

  18. Tom,

    Don’t paint me as an apologist with your Polyanna brush…I don’t have that much invested…I’m simply pointing out that if you see a murder on the street today, it’s a bit strange to crucify the jaywalking during the last few weeks.

    If your talking about the totality of IU’s last two seasons, of course much of the blame can fall on the coach…If your talking about the totality of IU’s historic football ineptitude, I haven’t been a close enough observer to make that call…I guess a transplanted Husky that’s been in town for a few years should fill that responsibility…You can be the ultimate decider in your study room review booth. May your left hand, right hand, and your keyboard be the peculiar threesome of such desires.

    Live the dream…Tony Hawk wannabe.

  19. Skate or Die. What a game that was.

    I’m just catching up on this discussion. Dave, thanks for the critique. I don’t know that we went as overboard as you say, but I do see where you’re coming from.

    There’s a pendulum effect with the videos, I think. At times I think we’re far too serious. Others, like this one, we’re not serious enough. It’s a general rule in sports writing that when you cover a dramatic game mostly what you have to do is get out of the way of the story; just writing it will be good enough. You don’t have to add anything. That was probably the case with this video.

    But, yeah, we try to capture the bizarreness of covering this team. And I don’t want it to seem like we’re Walter Cronkite reporting on Vietnam. Then again I guess we shouldn’t be The Daily Show either (although getting called Jim from The Office is cool; now where’s my Pam?)

    We’ll keep working at these things to get the right tone. A lot of times I worry that we’re just regurgitating what we blogged or wrote for the paper, so we do need to push the videos in a different, less formal direction.

    There’s this eternal conundrum when covering sports: we’re literally covering games, yet people are passionate about them in ways they aren’t about some of the serious news the rest of the newsroom covers. So our duty is a bit different. But Dave’s right: we’re journalists, first and foremost. Like other guys who were raised in a print world, we’re now making a transition to whatever comes next.

    It hadn’t dawned on my that our facial expressions would convey so much. In fact, I have a hard time even thinking about what my face is doing. Mostly, I’m just nervous on camera. It’s not like we’re trained actors. OK. I did play Elwood P. Down in the play “Harvey” back in high school. But I quickly realized I was not acting; I was merely playing the guy I was destined to become in 50 years (Elwood spends most of his days at the bar with a 6-foot imaginary rabbit).

    Anyway, appreciate the rest of the discussion here.

    Now if you excuse me, my Rabbit and I are off to Nick’s.

    I mean….I have to go to the gym.

  20. Korman- Way to acquit yourself. I agree completely.

    High Fructose Downing – in this case, the jaywalking and the murder are connected. The more you jaywalk, the more likely you will be killed by some angry jerk whose commute you constantly interrupt with your unlearned street crossing.

    So yes, when you are finally plowed over, it is appropriate then to talk about the culture of jaywalking, and how it fits into the murder picture.

    I wouldn’t expect someone who has claimed to be an IU “basketball only” fan for most of his life to understand the analogy. Afterall, the only reason we are graced by your presence nowadays is because the basketblog shut down. Better to be a lifetime college football fan and a Husky than a lifetime Hoosier who has ignored his football team.

    PS
    In the above analogy, if you happen to have a skateboard, like the Nuge, you might be able to slip past the angry driver without repercussion. Here’s to Bill’s Bunch finding their wheels.

  21. “If [you’re] talking about the totality of IU’s last two seasons, of course much of the blame can fall on the coach… If [you’re] talking about the totality of IU’s historic football ineptitude, I haven’t been a close enough observer to make that call…”

    Wow…That pretty much kills taking anything I say seriously….Can I blame it on you working me up?..Lack of sleep?…Not enough bonging? Total stupidity? Bingo!

    Why, oh why, did I start blogging again? My skin is not thick enough to self-reveal such inadequacies.

  22. Want to see something even more baffling? This is what a man wrote who “doesn’t have much invested“:

    “Yes, penalties can definitely be a coaching issue…I said that weeks ago..I can dig out the old post if you like..I actually had that in my original post, but I thought it unnecessary to once again explain the numerous possibilities for why the team is accumulating so many flags per game. The post was already way too long. Here we go again…

    Three Possibilities for Penalties:
    1.Poor game preparation/coaching
    2.Out-manned at key positions(holding calls on offense, pass interference on defense, are the types of penalties that can often be a result of not matching up with superior talent on other side of the ball)
    3.Biased and/or Inept Officials

    The main focus of my rant was the following:

    A. I still think it very hard emotionally on a team(not to mention IU was facing the supposed best team in B-10 conference and the #5? ranked team in the nation)to bounce back from a double cannon shot that gave Iowa new life – the freak interception, and one drive later the reversal of a touchdown(no honest person on the planet could claim the replay was conclusive enough to overturn the call on the field…I saw the Turner’s foot drag across the turf..I believe most viewers had to see it the same way)

    Answer these questions: Does the rule in place to reverse a call made on the field mean anything?
    Doesn’t the visual evidence have to be conclusive? Am I confused to the rule? I didn’t see anything that would justify reversing the IU touchdown by Turner..No way that kind of highway robbery of 7 points should be allowed..Complete travesty..Makes me sick…How would you like that kind of call in a championship bowl game?

    B. When you guys are speaking of a totally lackluster offense, you ignore the disastrous momentum killing penalties from your discussions… I would hope that whatever the reason for the abundance of penalties, I would certainly hope the coaching staff is attempting to address the issue.

    >

    Interceptions: Interceptions can often be the result of desperation and hurried attempts to get back chunks of yardage taken away because of penalties; forcing the issue on the field because they’ve already dug a hole a result their own mistakes, or have been placed in a hole through a questionable call by someone wearing stripes..

    My Last Word: Penalties should not be ignored as one of the major problems that plague the offense…I’m not claiming a season long officiating conspiracy..The team has many problems. You still can’t deny that two big conference games had monumental calls go against the Hoosiers..You can’t attribute bad coaching to calls that kill key drives and take away points..The reversal call at Iowa is completely inexplicable. In my opinion, it warrants an investigation. I’ve lost all respect for football officiating in the Big Ten(and there wasn’t much to begin with). The prominent teams in the league have enough advantage in talent…They don’t need the men in stripes adding to the complete mountain

  23. I have never believed in conspiracies. From that premise I am confident when playing the next game against Iowa that crew of officials won’t have a hawkeye tattoo on their chests.

    I want to add how pleased I am at this team playing two conference road games in a row with increasingly positive performance. When was the last time that happened? I remember too many road games being like UVA. The energy by Coach Lynch and staff to get a marginally talented team so motivated after the loss to Va. and then NW is commendable! Now the hill becomes even higher. I see a team with only a handfull of playmakers learning about playing through adversity by forgetting about a loss. What I don’t see is a team having 28 to 36 B10 talent level players in their 3rd, 4th and 5th years making the transition easier. Strides have been made but not there yet.

  24. Husky-

    Invested? You want honesty?..Maybe it’s just the joy in our game of one-on-one flag football discussions? I’m long past investing too much hope into IU football..(getting very close to the same point with respect to basketball)…Call me a sellout …I really don’t give a damn…When I cheer for IU football maybe it’s nothing more than wanting the underdog to knock of the mighty powers of the gridiron…When the relationship refuses to give you any loving back, there’s a certain point when passion and romance turns to boring happenstance.. I’ve been witness to far too many hit and runs….Far too many adulterous seasons to wear thin much of any devoted loyalty…..Cheated out of happiness year after year though cheering faithfully…I should just dump the IU football bitch….You can spring eternally on your skater boy optimism until too many wipe-outs finally give way to mounting your “Nuge” wheels on your walker..You can live that marriage to Hoosier football for the next 20 years of your life….And you shall be a better man than I.

    I’ll leave you with the song of your eternal devotions.

  25. Clarion, agree with your post 100%. These losses, while emotionally devastating, are a vast improvement over the blowouts of last year. These are not moral victories, but they are indicators of improved performance.

    Iowa, after all, is the 4th ranked team in the country, and we could have (should have) won the game. That fact has been lost in all of the collapse talk (which is understandable given that it happened for the second week in a row.)

  26. There’s your “Polyanna” group, Tom…Now get out your skateboard and and match their tricks. I think you’ll likely just hang with the boys.

  27. Downing,

    Ok, penalties should not be ignored, and I agree with that. So I’ll do it like this.

    1st INT, 3 plays & a punt. 1:29 off clock. 0 penalties.
    2nd INT, 5 plays & a punt. 2:36 off clock. 0 penalties.
    3rd INT, 2 plays & an INT returned for a TD. :59 off clock. 0 penalties.
    4th INT, 3 plays & a field goal. 2:02 off clock. 0 penalties.
    5th INT, 3 plays & a punt. 2:19 off clock. 2 holding penalties. They appeared to be good calls on the holds from what I seen.

    16 plays, 3 points, 9:25 off clock. 2 holding penalties.

    Even after all that, IU was still leading the game 24-14. Six total plays later, Iowa was leading 28-24 and the game was done.

    The pass interference call against Burks in the 1st quarter I didn’t feel was legit. It extended the drive 3 more plays until Taylor got the 1st pick on Stanzi. Iowa didn’t get any points off that drive.

    The personal foul for helmet to helmet was, by rule, a legit call. Though it appeared that Jones was leading with his shoulder, first contact with the Iowa player was helmet to helmet and it didn’t appear to me that Jones tried to avoid the contact. That will get flagged almost every time, and it should. Two plays later, Taylor picks off Stanzi. No points for Iowa, IU still leads 24-14.

    By the way, I am not arguing that the officials were not bad. The over turned TD should put that official on suspension for the rest of the season if not flat out removed.

    Ball secured, foot dragged the ground, side judge had perfect position and mechanics in making the call. I have no idea how that was over turned.

    I will also concede that in their minds, that play was a back breaker the offense never recovered from. That might very well be true. We will never know and they would never concede it.

    Still, the defense gave them many, many opportunities to put this game away and they couldn’t get it done.

    P.S. Notice I am not blaming the offense nor the coaching staff for this. It is an issue, but who is to blame? I can’t really say.

    What I will say is the team is very good when given a week to prepare the game plan, very poor once in game adjustments have to be made.

    This isn’t anything new either. That proof is in the numbers.

    In 2007, they were 7-5-1, +38 points in the 1st half. 7-5-1 but only +4 points in the 2nd.

    2008, they were 3-7-2, -44 points in the 1st half. 2-10, -133 points in the 2nd.

    2009, they are 7-2, +8 points in the 1st half. 2-7, -49 points in the 2nd.

    In the 34 games those numbers represent, there are only 2 games that IU was losing at half time that they came out and out scored their opponent in the 2nd half. The other 9 games that they out scored their opponents in the 2nd half, they were leading (8) or tied (1) at half time.

  28. Downing:

    The Pollyanna thing is wearing real thin on me.

    Little known fact: Of the 5,205 words posted on this thread, Downing and HT posted 3,300, or over 63%.

  29. Mike P, thanks for the research. Personally, before I agree with any Walt Disneyesque optimism about the team’s improvement, I’d like to know how many games last year we were either leading, tied, or within striking distance going into the second half, especially in road games.

    If it turns out that we were close in the majority of contests, then I’ll have to nix the idea that this team is a “vastly improved.”

    Of course, to state the obvious, the fact that the core of Chappell/Doss/Belcher/Willis is a year older means there has undoubtedly been some improvement.

  30. Tom,

    You never thank me…I feel so inadequate.

    Yes, thanks for the research, Mike P..How exhausting and tedious that must have been…I only skimmed..Hope you’re not offended by such an offensive admission.

    As Dave said, we were playing the #4 team in the country….You go ahead and give them your “good calls on the holds”….and the helmet-to-helmet being justifiable(?) I had completely forgotten about the helmet-to-helmet call…I’ll give you some more thanks, Mike P….Thanks for pointing out another suck call…That call was also a total joke…The IU tackler was clearly going for a clean tackle….More proof that the game was tainted with corrupt officiating….Are you sure you’re not a Hawkeye fan?
    All your research and statistical diary of possessions still ignores the fact that IU is one of the most penalized teams in the conference…Go to the Big 10 website and look it up…I think MSU has the most in yardage, but we are tied for last in number of penalties….

    I’ll be waiting for you to justify horrible whistles that go against IU during the basketball season…You know, and I know, it will be like bloody murder occurred against Crean if that happens and costs us a game…Husky Tom will call for a complete inquisition of all Big 10 officials…We’ll hear nothing of unproductive forwards, turnovers, lost opportunities, etc…When you have an agenda it shows…Your agenda is to further the argument to remove coach Lynch…It’s o.k. I don’t care…I want Pete Carroll to coach IU.

  31. Husky,

    Last year, going into half, they had the lead at half time in 3 games. All 3 of those games they won. All of them were home games.

    In 7 games they were losing at half, 4 of them at home, 3 on the road.

    Home Games
    Ball State – Half 28-20, Final 42-20.
    Michigan State – Half 27-22, Final 42-29.
    Iowa – Half 17-9, Final 45-9.
    Wisconsin – Half 24-20, Final 55-20. (Lewis out, Chappell injured going into half)

    Road Games
    Illinois – Half 28-7, Final 55-13.
    Penn State – Half 10-7, Final 34-7.
    Purdue – Half 41-3, Final 62-10.

    In 5 of those 7 games we were 8 points or less from being tied or leading the game going into half only to be outscored 110-7 in the 2nd half of those games.

    The two games they were tied, 1 home and 1 road.

    Minnesota (Road) – Half 7-7, Final 16-7.
    Central Michigan (Home) – Half 21-21, Final 37-34.

  32. Oops..Only the first sentence was a response to Husky Lavigne…

    The rest of the rant was to be for Mike P…. Of course, comments are welcome from all.

  33. Guys, I just skimmed above so if I am repeating I am sorry. By the quarter and I hope I am right, got this off iuhoosiers.com and espn.com, this is the breakdown points by quarter:

    1st: 57 points
    2nd: 88 points
    3rd: 16 points, had to triple check this….
    4th: 52 points

    if this is right, what the hell is going on in the locker room. They need to pay/hire a motivational speaker to come in at the half, especially if they are not making any adjustments. At least the team would come out fired up.

    1st half: 145 points
    2nd half: 68 points

    I am not saying coaching lost us the game vs Iowa but the coaches are not helping. This was similar to last years breakdown from first to second half. I do not remember but Mike P posted it last year I am pretty sure.

  34. GFDave-

    I like your sense of humor…You’re right about the 63%….funny. I’ll stop. I’m intruding..

  35. J Pat,

    Your numbers are correct!

    Last years were like this.

    1st: 81 points
    2nd: 90 points
    3rd: 58 points
    4th: 17 points

    171 points 1st half, 75 points in the 2nd half.

  36. This stat discussion we’ve got going is really interesting. So much better to ground discussions in objective reality.

    More numbers:

    Last year after 9 games we were 3-6 (1-4 B10), had lost to two MAC teams and had been outscored by our B10 opponents by a composite 20 points per game. Two B10 losses up to this point had been blowouts.

    This year after 9 games we are 4-5 (1-4 B10), have beaten all the opponents from lesser leagues and have been outscored by our B10 opponents by a composite 6 points per game. One B10 loss so far has been a blowout.

    Interestingly, the points scored and points allowed stats are very, very similar from last year to this.

    I’d say we’ve shown improvement so far over last year. I retract “vast”.

    The last three games are scary. Last year the last 3 games, against the same opponents, were blowouts. We lost by a composite score of 50-12. Yikes!

    We know that last year’s team quit playing. This year’s team is emotionally fragile too, and have quit inside of games, but have so far have regrouped enough to start the next game read to play. Hopefully that continues.

  37. GFDave,

    I think the numbers from last year to this year speak for themselves. They do show improvement, though like you said, not vast.

    What I am seeing though is a continuous trend in the numbers. T

    he Wisconsin game from last year does deserve and asterisk by it. IU went into that game without Lewis. Around 2 minutes to go, IU trailing 21-20, Chappell is going in for a TD and takes a nasty helmet to helmet hit that knocked him cold and caused a fumble. Wisconsin returned the ball to around mid field. They ended up getting a FG before half and taking the 24-20 lead.

    If Chappell doesn’t get hurt on that play, IU would have went up 27-21 and had the momentum. They wouldn’t have been playing a 3rd string QB for the entire 2nd half either.

    I’ve never been a big believer that 1 play changes the outcome of an entire game, but that 1 play severely altered it.

  38. Could somebody offer up a bell curve and some standard deviations regarding IU’s 2nd half efficiency over the past quarter century? I would love some more “objective reality”. Could I apply this to my IU elective credits? I was two credits short of graduating in 1984.

  39. The second half point discussion is interesting. It really seems more about the third quarter, at least for this year, than the entire second half. 16 3rd quarter points is wacky.

  40. MP And GFDave
    I had not thought about the Badger game of 08. That one play did affect the end of the game in two ways.

    I have given some thought to the start of the Mallory years and how remorseful many felt about the prospects of the team after the first 2 even 3 years. I believe it was the 3rd year I could see positive movement with more successful performances for future play. But he did give us future teams that seemed to have good chances to get better. With our lacking a strong FB tradition I believe a slow pattern of progress will be the only way we dig out of the doldrums until recruiting is turned around enough to land our share of high caliber players.

  41. Sounds like a adherence to the long view….Another piece of knotty pine board planed for my coffin..another nail forged….I can almost see the view from six feet under. I don’t much care for worms…I want to be in Rose Bowl before I’m surrounded by rose vases(though most likely be daisies) …We deserve better. There will be a time when all our words are silenced by cold dirt…It’s time to get angry!…Angry at mediocrity!! Angry at being the laughing stock of officials in dressing rooms while they pull-up pantyhose stockings and plan their insults to add to our injuries!! Angry at soft talk!! Angry at appeasement and decorum!! Time to have our voice parallel the brutality of the game..Time for helmet-to-helmet!…Time for football junkies crashing heads with basketball junkies!…Students of football demanding more than halftime ceremonies honoring prehistoric remnants of hoops days gone by….It’s time to play ugly and dirty…Kick under the pile..Spit into the face mask of this nightmare we endure year after year…Time to put up the dollars and answer our hollers…Time to put away analyzing the cosine and tangents of our infinite scoring ineptitude…Time to have blowouts with our name by the giant number….Screw this long term malarky…Time to close the book on Pollyanna and kick her like a 55 yarder to Texarkana…. I want action and results! I want Husky Tom head of football operations!! I want my bowl before my vases….Please?

    Phew…

  42. Some interesting notes:

    Akron is 1-7.

    WMU is 4-5.

    Virginia, the mighty Virginia, just lost to… Duke. Duke, people. The only “basketball school” left that had a worse football team than IU, until now.

    Illinois whooped Michigan. I don’t know what that means – perhaps that we should have beat Michigan, or perhaps that we should have lost to Illinois.

  43. Here’s a “basketball school” with a stellar football team.

    Famous Alumni – Sleepy Floyd, Henry Hyde, Alonzo Morning, Patrick Ewing, Dikembe Mutoumbo, Allen Iverson

    Current Football Results:

    09/05/09 at Holy Cross L, 20-7
    09/12/09 vs. Lafayette L, 28-3
    09/19/09 vs. Yale L, 31-10
    09/26/09 vs. Howard L, 14-11
    10/03/09 at Bucknell L, 14-6
    10/10/09 at Lehigh L, 27-0
    10/17/09 vs. Colgate L, 31-14
    10/31/09 at Old Dominion L, 31-10

    That would be a record of 0-8

    That would be none other than Georgetown University. Sorry, people..There is a “basketball school” with a worse football team than IU. Could have used Cleveland St. but they don’t have a football team.

  44. Let’s keep it to Division I, Sherlock:

    “Big East schools compete in Division I in basketball and Olympic sports. Football members of the conference participate in Division I FBS. Notre Dame remains an FBS independent, while Georgetown and Villanova have Division I FCS (formerly I-AA) football programs.

  45. The talk about roundball schools and their miserable success in football brings up an interesting idea.
    Kansas State is arguably one of the most successful basketball schools in the country. Prior to 1989 they had a record of 299-510 in football. KSU hired Bill Snyder. His record was 141-71-1.
    His model was/is weak schedule out of conference and Juco players. I don’t know what impact the Juco’s are having but he has 29 on this years roster. I checked 11 other schools:
    Fla – 5
    OK – 5
    OR – 12
    TX – 0
    USC – 11
    TN – 7
    OSU(OH) – 0
    PSU – 1
    IA – 3
    UM – 0
    IL – 3
    IU – 1
    I don’t know if the Juco’s would fly at IU, it’s an interesting thought.

  46. Jay,

    The JUCO idea is a double edge sword. You can get some really good players who are ready to contribute now, but it limits the amount of incoming freshman you can give scholaships to and develop for the long term.

    I think IU could benefit next year from some JUCO transfers who can play in the defensive secondary.

  47. I thought I would post some more numbers to continue this discussion.

    Offensive production through 9 games last year by quarter:

    1st – 68 points
    2nd – 73 points
    3rd – 58 points
    4th – 10 points

    Offensive production through 9 games this year by quarter:

    1st – 57 points
    2nd – 88 points
    3rd – 16 points
    4th – 52 points

    Difference from 2008 to 2009 by quarter:

    1st – -11 points
    2nd – +15 points
    3rd – -42 points
    4th – +42 points

    Defensive production through 9 games last year by quarter:

    1st – 64 points
    2nd – 76 points
    3rd – 65 points
    4th – 67 points

    Defensive production through 9 games this year by quarter:

    1st – 52 points
    2nd – 85 points
    3rd – 35 points
    4th – 82 points

    Difference from 2008 to 2009 by quarter:

    1st – -12 points
    2nd – +9 points
    3rd – -30 points
    4th – +15 points

    The first 9 teams score difference by quarter last year:

    1st – +4 points
    2nd – -3 points
    3rd – -7 points
    4th – -57 points

    For a combined total of -63 points.

    The first 9 teams score difference by quarter this year:

    1st – +5 points
    2nd – +3 points
    3rd – -19 points
    4th – -30 points

    For a combined total of -41 points.

    The last 3 teams score difference by quarter last year:

    1st – -25 points
    2nd – -20 points
    3rd – -48 points
    4th – -21 points

    For a combined total of -114 points.

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