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  1. Come on, you guys. How ’bout some attempt at honesty? Tijan had any business in a Hoosier uniform? Seriously? All jokes aside about ‘ligers’ and mystique/karma his presence on the team…..and the chants his name…and the flailing arms….and the intimidating crazy stares…Really? You actually believe anyone on our coaching staff thought Tijan could contribute meaningful minutes? And why can’t a “humanitarian” organization be formed to bring African kids to IU without the need to put them in a basketball uniform? A-Hope may be “nonprofit”, but it still requires funding to operate. Do they get the funding without the ties to Indiana hoops? You can legally put any dork on your roster and comply with NCAA rules. Does that mean it’s right for Hoosier basketball? Would you call that operating within the spirit of equal opportunity and an attempt to match skills/credentials with the job/position being filled(whether at a demanding job or few spots available on a competitive basketball team)?

  2. Seriously? Never seen so many words add up to so little substance. If brevity is the soul of wit, you’re witless.

    I’m amazed by how many people are so desperately trying to make a mountain out of this molehill. Why is that? Boring lives?

  3. Hugh? Low angle shots do you no favor. Ask Jeremy Hogan to set you up in a discreetly high angle context–not radical, but elevated. You’ll thank me later.

  4. Hugh or Dustin,

    Has there been any attempt to contact Mike Fish at ESPN? He needs to be called out on his poor investigation work and his attempt to make it look like IU Basketball is breaking rules again. I do not agree that Mark Fish was only trying to bring attention to non-profit organization like A-HOPE. The sad part is that there are too many “journalist” trying to do anything they can to get readers to read their stories. If he actually did 5 months of investigation, ESPN overpaid him.

    First, the photo choice that included Coach Crean in the background is another attempt to draw readers and portray that Coach Crean might be doing something wrong. In addition, why just name drop Indiana University when there are recruits from Indiana Elite and A-HOPE that go to other universities? Mike Fish’s article is making it look like every recruit from these organizations goes to IU. That’s not even close to being true.

    Also, he states that Drew Adams didn’t have any college experience and accused Adams of getting the job because of his dad and connections to IU. Where was the investigation work he did for that piece? He is way off base there. Most people that I have talked to say Drew was more than qualified for the position he held at IU.

    Another issue Mark Fish brings up is Perea’s phone bill and an iPod. I’ve seen multiple reports that Adams is the guardian of Perea, if that is the case then it’s a non issue from my understanding.

  5. Mark Fish states, “in some cases might draw the scrutiny of NCAA investigators to Indiana,” really? Why just Indiana, Mark? Also, what about those reports that the NCAA met with Adams and IU and has no issues with Indiana Elite or A-HOPE’s practices? Why wasn’t this mentioned in the article?

    I’m fine if Mark Fish wants to bring attention to A-HOPE and non-profit organizations, but he doesn’t need to portray an image that IU might be doing something wrong to get more readers. I think this article is viewed negatively on IU.

    If it comes out that Adams had met with NCAA officials and IU and everything is in the clear then Mark Fish needs to publicly apologize to Adams. I believe he needs to print another article to address the concerns that I mentioned above. Also, a public apologize to Indiana University for making it seem like the basketball program is committing NCAA infractions or engaging in questionable practices.

  6. stagehand-

    It lacked enough substance to irk you into a reply? Says a lot about yourself. You want it brief? Cronyism and humanitarianism(even when it comes to very questionable talent) is not an NCAA recruiting violation. If that’s the direction you feel is best for Indiana to rebuild its basketball program, such is your choice. It’s not my favored way. I want a competitive basketball team. I think we can build one withing the rules of recruiting set forth by the NCAA. I’ve seen your other posts today. The opinions quickly get your goat. Calm down and get out of attack mode.

  7. Seriously?, Indiana is recruiting within the rules set forth by the NCAA. You’ll get your competitive basketball team through honest recruiting efforts by Crean.

  8. Seriously?, I couldn’t follow your meaning in your first post either. And I’m not very sure I understood much in your second post except the part about wanting a competitive team and believing we can build one within the NCAA rules. We are building a competitive team and we are doing it within the NCAA rules. Did you have another point to make?

  9. Exactly my point. You might want to reread my post.

    Cronyism and humanitarianism(even when it comes to very questionable talent) is not an NCAA recruiting violation.

    Fish’s story holds no water in terms of high level cheating in signing recruits. Did we need to cheat to put Tijan Jobe or Kory Barnett on our roster? Do we need to cheat when recruiting is constrained to only looking at kids holding to a definition of solid Christian values(like the many examples our coach shares as models of perfection on his Twitter page, or players on our roster more than willing to be sent to China to spread the word of Jesus through hoops)? I believe the intent of the ESPN piece was to question relationships of influence and make mockery of rebuilding efforts within what is believed to be a climate of piousness and nepotism. Fish wants to paint a backward portrait of Indiana basketball more than any honest belief he holds that stiff penalties will arise from an NCAA investigation into a laptop given to an A-Hope recruit. Do I think he’s going overboard? Probably. The exodus of Drew Adams and Crean’s recruitment of Remy Abell gave me insight and renewed hope our coach putting winning at the forefront his objectives…the rest is just selling our goody two-shoes image.

  10. Seriously?, you seriously need to work on your grammar and sentence structure before you ridicule others for missing your meanings.

  11. j5-

    Is it so horrible? I apologize. I barely passed the grammar threshold my high school Writing for College class and dropped out of IU my freshman year. I don’t know how in the hell I was allowed in the classroom with those students. There’s always one fish that slips through the hole the stupid nets. Since grade school, it’s always been a struggle to convey what I mean in written from…subject and verb agreement..all that grammar stuff just baffles the hell out me. I never grasped onto language and the butcher-job is not from lack of effort to improve. I had good, well-intentioned teachers. I probably just drifted a lot in classrooms(probably was thinking about sports) when I should have been paying closer attention. I also remember one young English teacher that was quite pretty and wore mini skirts and pantyhose. I was in those awkward years of early puberty and spent most the hour purposefully dropping my pencil to get inconspicuous peek up her dress.

    I did not mean to ridicule anyone. Someone once told me on a blog I wrote like Hemmingway. How’s that for a laugher?

  12. Seriously…read your posts and reread them. I see absolutely nothing but a sound, well developed argument based on your assumptions (it is not only important to do nothing that could lead to questioning the integrity of the recruiting program, it is just as important to do nothing that looks like the recruiting may lack integrity). While there may be nothing ‘illegal’ in recruiting through these nonprofit NGO’s, it can raise questions.

    I’m not sure where I fall on the issue of recruitment through third parties. Knowing how deep and degrading poverty can be in a place like Colombia if you are among the dispossessed; or in Sudan, knowing the bestiality and barbarism of Darfur I probably think that the circumstances that lead to getting kids like Perea doesn’t really matter and believe any opportunity to help them (which will eventually multiply itself as so many fish)is a Godsend.

    But, your arguments are logical, well presented and have merit. The bloggers that attack you for length are limited to those who do not understand anything beyond guttural or body movement sounds, or can not read beyond 140 characters. I appreciate you point of view. It is not only valid, it is helpful in developing mine.

    As to the grammar (j5),…other than an ‘oops’ omission or error here and there, as we all make in blogs where we tend to be less careful and more spontaneous when writing, everything was just fine. You were probably attacked for being eloquent, nothing else. Keep on!

  13. This all boils down to this as I see it…Forget A-Hope…forget Indiana Elite…forget Mike Fish. Why would IU put its fans and itself in this position to begin with by hiring Drew Adams? Doesn’t that send up a red flag rite away? Wouldn’t you think Glass and Crean would have the foresight to see Drew Adams may bring problems because of his Dad? IU and its fans have gone through a living hell for 3 years. Very disapointing. Why? Why? Why?

  14. Scoop Archives:

    4g**rds
    Monday, November 8, 2010 – 11:36 PM EST

    If you think Perea chose Indiana because of Crean you are only kidding yourself. Adams

  15. Following is the story that appeared in the New York Times regarding the Baylor coaching staff and the threat to have Hanner Perea deported if he did not sign with Baylor.

    While researching I also found another, very disturbing story about another native of Sudan, a young man named Nyusuk who appears to have been basically abandoned once the basketball recruiting link was broken.

    We need to keep in mind these are human beings with tragic stories who are becoming victims of a human trafficking game we call recruiting.

    The story involving Baylor and Perea from the NYT:

    N.C.A.A. Is Investigating Baylor Men’s Program
    By PETE THAMEL
    Published: October 13, 2010

    LA PORTE, Ind. — Kevin Kunst, the athletic director at La Lumiere School, said on Wednesday that the N.C.A.A. is engaged in a wide investigation of the Baylor University’s men’s basketball program that includes its recruitment of Hanner Perea, a forward from Colombia who is widely considered one of the best 25 high school juniors in the country.

    Hanner Perea, a high school junior from Colombia, was reportedly threatened with deportation if he did not select Baylor.

    FoxSports.com first reported the investigation on Wednesday, causing a stir among administrators at La Lumiere, a private school best known as the alma mater of Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr.

    The N.C.A.A. investigator Kristen Matha came here last month to question La Lumiere Coach Alan Huss. While Huss declined to reveal details of the conversation, Kunst said that the N.C.A.A. visit involved a larger investigation into Baylor.

    “La Lumiere is not at question at all in any shape or form,” Kunst said. “This really has to do with what appears to be a significant, ongoing and much broader investigation of Baylor than this little thing. I think we’re the piece of a larger puzzle.”

    The FoxSports.com article included a copy of a text message that was sent from the Baylor assistant Mark Morefield to Huss, saying that Baylor had the power to deport Perea if he did not go to Baylor.

    “I guarantee you if he does [commit to another school] he will be in Colombia for the spring and summer and next year. Don’t forget it,” the text message said.

    While Kunst would not say whether Baylor coaches were banned from his campus, he said that the message would have an impact on “how much we have interaction with Baylor.”

    He added: “Is this what the world has come to? I understand college athletics is a serious business, and it’s a business that brings a lot of money to universities and that’s always going to bring out the darker sides of things. But this is a kid. He’s a kid, at the end of the day.”

    Baylor Athletic Director Ian McCaw declined to comment by text message. Morefield and Baylor Coach Scott Drew did not return calls seeking comment.

    Earlier this month, LaceDarius Dunn, a preseason all-American, was indefinitely suspended from the Baylor team after he was charged with felony assault of his girlfriend.

    Drew has spoken with, but not retained, an El Paso-based lawyer, Jim Darnell, who recently represented the former U.S.C. coach Tim Floyd in the N.C.A.A.’s investigation into the Trojan basketball program.

    “I don’t know that Coach Drew even needs a lawyer,” Darnell said. “He and I talked and visited about how these things work. I’ve been through this drill enough times to know how it works.”

    Darnell added, “From what I understand, the focus would not be on Coach Drew.”

    Matha, who is part of the N.C.A.A.’s Basketball Focus Group, spent a few hours last month with Huss.

    “I can’t comment on anything,” Huss said, sitting on a bleacher in the school’s gym. “Literally, my job is on the line.”

    In a telephone interview last week, however, Huss revealed the tenor of some of the N.C.A.A.’s questions.

    “My impression of the N.C.A.A. is that they’re making a very concentrated effort to understand the system better and employ people who actually understand what’s going on,” Huss said.

    “My impression is that they have a pretty good handle of what’s going on, and they’re trying to clean it up,” Huss said of N.C.A.A. investigations of men’s basketball programs.

    He added, “I was amazed at how well they seem to have a grasp at what’s going on.”

    Perea is a 6-foot-8, 210-pound forward known for his freakish athletic ability. He plays summer basketball for the Bloomington-based Indiana Elite program.

    Although his college choices reportedly have been narrowed to Baylor and Indiana, Alabama, Missouri and Tennessee have also been mentioned.

    Perea came to the United States through the A-Hope Foundation, a nonprofit organization based in Bloomington, Ind., that has helped more than a dozen talented foreigners come to the United States and earn college scholarships. Kunst said that Perea is fine and in no danger of being sent overseas. (He would not allow Perea to comment.)

    “I don’t think he was aware of it,” said Kunst, referring to the inquiry. “I think it was all above him.”

    Administrators here are not concerned that the program is under N.C.A.A. scrutiny.

    “We’ve obviously met and conferred and our understanding of the situation, as the best we understand it, is that this is really Baylor’s issue,” Kunst said.

  16. Prof. Reardon, just wanted to let you know that your screenwriting class was the best class I took at IU. Thanks much.

  17. Seriously?, thanks for the reply. I did reread your post (twice), but I just wasn’t sure of what you were saying. I agree with you “that cronyism and humanitarianism are not NCAA recruiting violations” and that IU hasn’t committed any violations. I can’t comment on your position that Fish wanted to paint a backward portrait of Indiana basketball — I don’t see that, but you could be on to something, I suppose. I share with you the hope that Coach Crean is putting winning at the forefront his objectives. Most of all, I’m sorry that Hanner has to have his reputation smeared by Fish’s article. Fish didn’t accuse him of anything, but the headline of “Top IU recruit Perea receives benefits” makes it sound like Hanner did something unethical. Couple that with the photo, and Hanner’s reputation gets dragged through the mud and he didn’t do anything wrong. What a crappy thing to do to a 17-year old kid who works hard, follows the rules and is trying to make a future for himself.

  18. Boomer-

    Thanks for your efforts in trying to understand my gibberish(and clumsy grammar).

    Attempting to paint the backward portrait of IU is nothing new. The media establishment attempted to do the same during the Knight years. Knight certainly gave them plenty to work during his episodes of less than redeeming moments, but when the victories and deep tournament runs became less fresh to our taste buds, the scrutinizing of his faults became far more exaggerated than the good he contributed in the span his career. Maybe it was just the beginning of a trend in news and journalism that seems the norm today; mud-slinging sells. We want to ruin careers based on singular bad judgments. A young man stupidly sticks out his toe to trip an opponent in a basketball game and suddenly he’s given more public disdain than the protected name a drunk driver on the roads last night. We hear of acts we consider immoral and we attack like hungry animals. We get off on being judge, jury, and executioner. We feed on throwing salt on wounds and we lick our chops after the public destruction the accused we’ve never had a face-to-face, or heart-to-heart conversation. Once the labels are cast, is there any chance the individual made example our trials by newspaper/internet/blogs/airwaves will be able to change the perceptions a public always preferring a plateful of dirt being truth? We get ready for bed, brush our teeth, take look in mirror our flawless reflection, and sleep soundly knowing that other guy had it coming to him. Second chances in these times are rare. Listening is rare. Any care or concern for the undeserving innocent bystanders in the vicinity an accusation dropped is even more rare. Maybe we shouldn’t be so surprised that once in a blue moon a slanderous boomerang cast from our virtuous zero-tolerance cloud we walk on doesn’t come back one day to clip us in the back our own holier-than-thou heads. Fish tells a story that relies on the powerful magnet of sensationalism as tool for readers to connect distant dots relying heavily on innuendo and ugly insinuation. Because of such disregard the long-term cost to many in bringing into question the snapshot relationships of a questionable few serving as the targets his few facts, it seems Fish’s primary intent is to harm the wider image of Indiana Basketball. And how much effort did Mr. Fish rally make to sit down and question those he puts into question their questionable character? The lightening speed at which one can get their reckless opinions in front the millions of readers/viewers is frightening. The ego-driven journalist gets caught up with such speed given to the powers his/her words. They furiously type out their stories to be the first to enlighten us and give witness to the nasty creatures hiding behind the saintly masks. The hungry public is waiting. Nothing is more satisfying than to take aim the guy with everything going his way and rip him off the face a mountain just before he reaches the top. Who’s beer can I cry in if some lowlife now happens to set his sights on my favorite college basketball team during their assent? Can I honestly look in mirror knowing I never drank from the same moralistic pitcher served at the same party of bigoted assumptions? Giant leaps from small facts and the boomerang finds the back my head.

  19. Whose beer can I cry in if some lowlife now happens to set his sights on my favorite college basketball team during their ascent<?

    Seriously bad spelling. Seriously tired as poor excuse.

  20. I’m not much on the whole ‘ESPN conspiracy’ thing but when I see a headline that states “Top IU recruit Perea receives benefits” (and how does a professional writer forget two commas in a 6 word phrase?) and nowhere does the story even imply that IU had anything to do with said ‘benefits’, I smell a rat. A ‘used iPod’, a cell phone, and a shared computer? Hell, I’ll adopt him if that’s all it’s gonna cost me.
    Frankly, I’m a little surprised that our resident journalists haven’t been a little more critical of Mr. Fish. This is the worst kind of ‘yellow journalism’. His article does not cast a flattering light on their profession. That being said, I never hear of doctors calling out unfit peers and law enforcement has their ‘code of silence’. Some just call it professional courtesy.

  21. Hmm? Don’t forget the NCAA added to evidence their last powerful case against Indiana the discovery a water bottle and backpack supplied to a recruit.

  22. What a pleasant Memorial Day surprise, Chris Kramer’s Mom. I always feel sort of naked when former students catch me blathering online about stuff I really don’t know much about. Thank you for referencing something I actually do know a little about.

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