JMV talked with ESPN’s Mike Fish

Your friendly Indianapolis radio guy, JMV, chatted with Mike Fish, who wrote the ESPN.com story we have spent so much time discussing.

It’s a fairly interesting discussion, and I say that not just because JMV referenced the Herald-Times at one point.

Fish defends his story and raised one point that sticks a bit – when did Indiana approve the plane trips to Colombia? Because retroactive is something different than prior to the trip.

47 comments

  1. why would Indiana have to approve a trip that was funded BY AHOPE to a young man that has not even signed a NLI?? that doesnt make any sense…but maybe its just me??

  2. I have to agree with HOOZHAA here. He is a verbal commit, no NLI, this is funded by AHOPE which is not funded by IU. I don’t see why IU would have to approve anything.

  3. HP has given IU a verbal agreement and nothing more. The situation with AHOPE seems sordid to me. My main gripe is the AAU.m Indiana Elite and AHOPE are too closely bound to be a coincidence. I have never liked the AAU & the influence they bring to college basketball. I believe that the AAU has done more to hurt college basketball than to help the kids. There are way too many opportunities to influence a kid via an AAU coach or AAU team sponsor. Indiana used to have a great high school basketball tradition but I feel that kids today give more weight to their AAU teams than to their high school teams, IMO.

  4. No kidding, how is it Indiana’s business what the kid does prior to actually being enrolled at Indiana. He’s only given a verbal (non-binding) commitment as a High School junior. Again, I do not see how any of this has anything to do with IU. If the kid was given benefits beyond what is allowable by NCAA rules then that is on A-Hope and Adams, not Indiana. This Fish guy is just using Indiana’s name to get publicity and sling mud as far as i’m concerned.

  5. Hey HP didnt get permission to stay out past curfew when he was 16 from IU will that be a problem…this whole thing is a crock they need to check into Kentucky or UConn

  6. As stated, prior to a NLI signing, IU has no say whatsoever in what this kid does.
    This idiot keeps saying IU ‘refused’ to answer their questions. The NCAA strictly forbids the athletic department from discussing a potential recruit. Period. End of story. Had they answered his questions, THEN there would have been an NCAA violation.
    Mike Fish is either totally unaware of how the whole process works or is lying to perpetuate a story.

  7. This is akin to being held responsible for a bank robbery because you had a checking account at a different branch than the one that got robbed. There is simply no connection.

  8. Fish says perea has attended 4 different high schools in the last four years if im not mistaken juniors have only been to school for 3 years

  9. I would also like to add…..WHO CARES if an AAU coach influences where one of his players goes to college and plays ball. Many of these young men respect their coaches HIGHLY and turn to them for advice on and off the court, much like a son would to a father. Are we to praise these coaches for being there for these kids (like a father figure) and them throw them in the fire when they actually try to help them??? There is a reporter around that is trying to make a name for himself and trying to use Indiana as a stepping stone. i think this town has had enough of that kind of thing!! Go IU….Go CTC..and Go Fred Glass.

  10. Fish seems pretty irked that IU compliance people didn’t comment on the specific “benefits” Hanner had received. Hugh or Dustin, sort this out for me: isn’t IU legally prohibited from talking about Hanner-specific stuff, since he is yet to sign a letter of intent????

    IMO, Mike Fish is a lightweight. A lot of innuendo, a lot of circumstantial hooey, nothing to back up what he’s suggesting. And why is it that no one takes him to task about the Drew Adams hiring thing? So what if we hired him? He had a reasonable resume to land the job with Big Ten experience, and he’s a Bloomington guy looking for a career in college basketball. Besides, hiring someone to strengthen recruiting ties is the oldest page in the playbook. Happens all the time in every major basketball program.

  11. You can tell by his tone of voice that he was totally unprepared to have anyone question his allegations. His responses didn’t even make any sense if you understand how the process works. It reminded me of an early Sarah Palin speech when she tried to speak off script.

  12. Fish has done this in the past. He’s an investigative reporter and it’s the nature of the business. A Fish 2009 Steelers article that linked their former physician and HGH comes to mind. That article just so happened to go to print right before the Super Bowl, even though the story did not report any new information.

    One thing that does irk me is hearing how he reached out to former AHOPE players and mispresented the intent of his article in order to obtain information. A bit underhanded and crossing an ethical line if you ask me.

    Best,
    PB

  13. You guys are absolutely right — IU cannot discuss this case publicly in any way. But yes, IU would answer Mark Adams’ questions (as it has; the two parties have met) if he had them about anything that could affect Hanner’s future eligibility.

  14. Michael R,
    Indiana is prohibited from talking about Hanner-specific stuff. I actually spoke to Fred Glass the other day and included his response in a previous blog post. I think they could tell us more than they have. I don’t see why they can’t discuss A-Hope in general terms without naming names of players. I also can’t see why the NCAA didn’t address the role of non-profit organizations with us. I do know that the reason IU won’t say anything is it’s afraid of stepping across NCAA lines. It’s not impossible that they’re trying to hide something, but I don’t get that impression. It’s like, “First rule of Fight Club,” stuff. First rule of meeting with the NCAA is you do not talk about meeting with the NCAA. I’m as annoyed with it as Fish is. If Adams is telling the truth and the NCAA shows at least some level of transparency, this story takes a totally different tone. As Fish said, either NCAA rules have been broken or there is a massive loophole or at least uncharted waters in regards to non-profit organizations. Maybe the loophole needs to be closed, maybe it doesn’t. Maybe, if the end result is poor kids from war ravaged countries (and under that rationale, who cares if Colombia is in South America or Africa? Impoverished all the same) getting free educations, there should be loopholes for the greater good. But I think if the NCAA was transparent or IU felt confident enough to be transparent, the story becomes less about whether or not rules are being broken and more about whether or not the NCAA should change the rules, which is a legitimate question that I don’t think there’s an obvious answer for.
    I’m not sure what to say about Fish’s methods. I obviously wasn’t with him at all during the investigation, so I don’t know who is telling the truth and who is just covering their respective behinds when they say that Fish misrepresented his intentions. I do know that he isn’t, by anyone in the business’s estimation, a lightweight and he doesn’t have any reason to try to “gain publicity.” He, I believe, is responsible for the first investigative story that blew the cover off the Pat Tillman cover-up, and I can’t think of too many works of sports journalism in the last decade that had a more profound impact. When I saw his byline on the package that afternoon, I was deeply afraid that I was about to look like the laziest beat writer in America because Mike Fish had discovered massive corruption right under my nose. I was more than a little surprised that he didn’t find that much that we didn’t already know — not because I thought Adams and A-HOPE were corrupt, but because I can’t think of too many Mike Fish stories that didn’t uncover much. I’m not sure what to make out of all of this.

  15. Fish’s points are irrelevant though. He keeps harping on Adams’ connection with IU and him steering kids there. How many kids has he steered to other schools? Three Plumlee’s go to Duke, Zeller at UNC, Kaminski MIch St., Davis to Cincy. I mean as a former coach if you have a kid that can play at a level of major D1 schools and you happen to know someone there, you are going to give them a call to see if there is any interest in your player. FIsh’s arguments were so obscure and off base that the interview he gave made me sick listening to it. IU can’t comment on any player that hasn’t signed with the school its a violation of NCAA rules, yet that pos Fish is making the fact that IU didn’t comment the driving force as to why something may be wrong. Like Bozich tweeted yesterday, the tone of his interview seems to be that of a guy who searched for 5 months to try and find something, and he found very, very little and stretched it out as much as he could.

  16. Miami,
    Obviously, he has some points that make sense and some that don’t. Whether there was any pressure or not from Mark Adams to push Perea and Jurkin to where Drew Adams was working, IU obviously had an advantage because Perea and Jurkin felt comfortable with Bloomington and the Adams family because of the relationship with A-HOPE. There is obviously reason to ask whether that advantage ought to be legal, but there is an argument that it should be. But as you suggested, whatever advantage Drew Adams gave Indiana with Etherington, Zeller, Patterson and Ferrell was negligible and many other Indiana Elite players went elsewhere.

  17. Sometimes the obvious is obscured. At no point did Fish disclose anything that is a violation. Even the actions that he made over-the-top implications might be violations had nothing to do with IU. He was following the ‘Big Lie’ strategy. Say IU enough times and imply something is wrong and eventually people will believe it in absence of any evidence.
    The most obvious, in your face, how-could-I-possibly-not-understand-this, item is this, even if they could, why would IU discuss their relationship with a potential recruit and/or AAU coach? There is absolutely no upside. Mark Fish has demonstrated that he is going to write what he is going to write. In complete absence of any verifiable substance he is implying that IU has committed violations. Fred Glass would be out of his mind to cooperate with him. I seriously doubt that there is a single major college coach in the country that would return his telephone calls right now. Here’s a prediction sure to come true. Any stories that Mark Fish writes in the near future will not include any quotes from basketball coaches or AD that were speaking to him. While our resident journalists may think highly of him, to fans (and, I willing to bet, coaches and AD’s) the reading of variously national blogs indicate that he has become a pariah.

  18. The “massive loophole” angle Dustin writes about is an interesting point, if for no other reason than there are kids of similarly deprived backgrounds here in America that cannot, per NCAA rules, receive the same benefits as the A-Hope kids. We call it cheating if these USA kids get these benefits. What if Nike, Adidas, Reebok, et al established their own USA-Hope organizations, plucked deprived kids from the streets/hills, sent them to private prep schools and then steered them to colleges that wore the correct corporate brand? What would we say about that? (We could call it European ball, but that’s for another day.) If this loophole exists, as it appears to do, then look for the NCAA to close it down ASAP and for A-Hope, no matter how well intentioned, to disappear.

  19. Better start investigating Christian academies scattered about the country(aren’t there a few in the backyard of NC and Duke?). Also investigate many in the East that have strong ties to college programs. You can easily drop the same suggestions these independent schools have unscrupulous motives when they pull kids away from their home towns and have coaches that have long acted as liaison for historically dominant college basketball programs. It’s all a mess and to suggest Indiana has an unfair advantage in recruiting because of friendships/family connections in AAU, or A-Hope, without looking at the entirety of other independently run private schools/entities where specific college programs have had strong histories in plucking talent is ludicrous. Can Mr. Fish investigate the many parents that likely purposely pull their talented sons and daughters out of public school systems, place them in academies, to take advantage the strong national exposure and ties to powerhouse basketball programs. Move the kid up the rankings boards..get them out of the uncompetitive school or small town that keeps their talent unnoticed and under the rock…Look how organizations like Scout and Rivals help turn the whole thing into a meat market. Get your head out of the clouds, Mr. Fish. Uncover some true corruption where the secret clubs of wealthy alumni exert their influence on kids…There are loopholes, connections, and cronyism everywhere. Why shouldn’t it all turn our stomachs. String a coach up from a tree for too many 3-way calls and turn our backs on the complete lack of integrity every step the process a highly talented recruit is exposed to from 8th-grade to day he/she puts first step onto a college campus. How does a parent from impoverished streets of the Bronx afford to send his/her kid to a private academy in North Carolina? Anonymous donor…anonymous donor…anonymous donor….connection…connection….connection. It’s rampant throughout amateur athletics. A kid gets a better education..a kid gets out of a ravaged country…a kid gets out of his little hick town. It’s always painted as humanitarianism or opportunity a poor kid getting the needed academic attention so as not to be sucked into some miserable life they would otherwise be destined to. If you’re 5 ft. tall and can’t dribble a basketball you’re screwed. If you were born with one arm, you’re screwed. It’s all fine and dandy to help kids on a road to a better life, but let’s quit being so damn naive that when help comes knocking at the door a disadvantaged family, it just so happens they have a son that is either 6-10, or plays point guard like Kyrie Irving. The private classrooms these academies are predominantly filled with kids of privileged background…the remaining percentage are some phenomenal ballers that an elite college program, with entirely scrupulous motives, sends a gloating representative to sit in the stands every game played on every Friday night(schools like Duke, NC, Kentucky, etc..etc). To make Indiana the poster child for the squeamish acts of nepotism touching every facet of college athletics is beyond irresponsible, it’s A-Dope.

  20. Dustin, Because Mike Fish has won awards in the past for his investigative journalism, I was a little nervous like you were when I saw his by-line. Then I read the story. I agree that there may be questions about the appropriateness of some of A-HOPE (or any other non-profit)’s involvement. But currently that involvement is legal because the NCAA doesn’t have rules against it. Is it a loop-hole? Maybe. Should it be closed? Maybe. If THAT was the reason for writing the article, then make that point without implying over and over that the associated college (IU in this case) or the recruit (Perea, in this case) are doing something illegal. In fact, make sure the reader knows that the associated college and the recruit aren’t doing anything illegal under current rules and that your concern is with the existence of the loophole and the possibility that the non-profit might be doing something illegal.

    I was still a little uncertain how I felt about the article until I listened last week to the podcast of Fish’s interview. He sounded defensive, even though JMV went easy on him. He harped on the fact that IU wouldn’t answer his questions without mentioning that, of course, they couldn’t answer them because IU can’t comment on a recruit. He seemed to want to convince us that IU’s no-comment proved IU has something to hide. His interview left me believing he didn’t have a story but wrote one anyway. If he did turn up violations or shady dealings or corruption, he certainly didn’t report it with facts to back it up. As Seriously? wrote a few days ago, cronyism isn’t a NCAA violation. Maybe award-winning investigative reporters get lazy if they don’t have professional editors supervising them?

  21. Chet…I have generally really respected your sensible thoughts and calm tone, as well as, nearly always, your objectivity. I don’t think this blog has a better, more sensible and rational blogger than you. I apologize (this sentence is written after I finished the entire entry) for its length but the subject I think speaks to who we are as Hoosier fans. We love winning…but always, always with dignity and responsibility. We reject and intensely dislike the jerks who have violate the Hoosier ethic. Hoosier is who we are!

    I share the above thought because I am about to state that I respectfully, but somewhat disagree with some parts of your perception on this issue. Allow me…

    To begin with, I followed yours and others advise and have read and listened to all the materials I could, including every blog posted over the past week to ten days on this and the Ohio State scandal (both are very related since they involve possible NCAA rule violations, and became issues partly based on allegations made by ESPN sports writers after long and seemingly deep investigations). So there is a modus operandi that both share, no doubt guided by more than one ESPN editor/ producer and after consultation with corporate lawyers who must probably sign off on making public allegations that could possibly result in litigation against ESPN and its corporate operation.

    Chet, during my life I spent more than two decades as an investigative journalist, columnist and editor (including editor-in-chief) in a major, major market. The basis to the recent stories- the Indiana Elite/Perea/A-Hope/Indiana U.; the Sampson mess that resulted in the Sampson NCAA banning and IU sanctions; and the Ohio State story- was and is nearly identical. In all three cases relatively minor violations (but, nevertheless clear violations) were compounded by the frequency with which they occurred, plus clumsy attempts to cover them up, the relative ease in which higher level officials of the university’s administration were kept in the dark about the athletic department’s operation and, finally, rather clumsy attempts to bury the trail of evidence.

    Sampson began (though he began in Oklahoma- we assumed his sins when Greenspan hired him)) with telephone calls to recruits or individuals with access to recruits during NCAA restricted periods, Ohio State apparently involves student-athletes receiving extra benefits for rather (if you believe OSU’s claims) minor amounts of money in the form of tatoos; and, in the case of A-Hope, small personal- perhaps, even well motivated attempts to provide- items to assist their players with school and, in at least one case(Perea’s) the cost of travel to visit his family in Colombia (probably a $700-$900 ticket). All of these are clearly violations. It would be disingenuous to believe otherwise.

    So the basis of the allegations does have some legs to it. In the case of the Perea violation, so far there does not appear to be an attempt (as there was with Sampson- 3-way calling, use of non-registered cell phones) to hide the facts or obstruct the investigation This last one, at least for now, does not involve an attempt by IU to cover-up the facts or hedge in the disclosure they must make.

    And, in all these cases point there is an important role by an outsider (from the university), friend or association responsible for the violation; a major-major sin in the NCAA’s eyes, “lack of institutional control (over the program and its activities).

    And, by the way…if in any way the claim that there is a ‘legal guardianship’ established by Mr. Adams with Perea proves to not be true in a clear, formal and demonstrable way, someone is stepping into the territory of lying to the NCAA which, if it involves an IU official will no doubt result in a horrible action against IU given the time span between the Sampson case and this one. I am highly suspicious- in fact, what attracts investigative journalists like honey to a bee, is the absence of a direct statement by Mr. Adams about guardianship (as he has claimed) and its legal status, including related court documents. (If he provides those, the issue may well be over.)

    Why this story. It is, I believe a good story…perhaps possibly (though not written that well) Pulitzer material because of the subject. Reading Fish’s material it is evident that his interest was based on the recruitment of ‘foreign athletes’ to fill the demand for tall, athletic basketball players in the very competition fostered by the hundreds of million dollar market run by…the NCAA itself. Would they have recruited a 5’8″, 118 lb kid with glasses, a moving spiritual faith and an unbreakable drive to get an education. I’d love for Mr. Adams to write the blog and say, ‘look TTG you dunce, we’ve done that and this is a list of those we brought under 5’8″ whom we took from under the nose of the ‘Janjaweed”.* (see below)

    The ethics, indeed, the morality and major concerns raised by this human market (doesn’t it raise anyone’s memory how much this resembles the descriptions of slave markets during the 1850’s?) are probably the basis of Fish’s interest. While researching his stories I found he was deeply troubled by the experiences of some of the Sudanese players who had come to the U.S. as a result of contacts with A-Hope. The story Fish wrote of a Sudanese kid named Nyarsuk (now at Mountain View University???) is absolutely heartbreaking and would have set off the instincts of nearly every good journalist I know. It appears Nyursuk was largely abandoned once here and now faces possible deportation…back to the Sudan.
    The Sudan is a deeply troubled country. It is the same country where a genocide carried out by the Janjaweed militias which, backed by the Sudanese government, killed 500,000 and raped hundreds of thousands of women and displaced three million in Darfur, the western part of Sudan. These are still living there, in the much less than the most marginal of human conditions. miserable refugee camps you’ve ever seen.

    There is also a lot of ‘noise’ in Fish’s story that weakens the issue. The hiring of young Adams by IU appears to be totally irrelevant. Adams, it seems, was a young, rising coach who had solid contacts. So be it; though, I would also question the judgment involved in having Perea live in the same house once young Adams was hired at IU. (except, if the legal guardianship by Adams, Sr. is confirmed). Nevertheless, young Adams had a right to work wherever he best saw fit (including the right to move on to the University of Iowa, as he has). In other words, mostly (although possibly not all) ‘noise’.

    Neither is the issue of recruiting Colombia, Hanner Perea’s home. Colombia is nearly as violent and in some sectors as brutal as the Sudan and helping kids there equally meritous. Even before the narco-traffickers, the leftist FARC, the ELN and others totally and cruelly destabilized Colombia, ‘a period known as ‘La Violencia’ had killed nearly 100,000 Colombians between 1948-1950. Today, some sectors of that society considers the training of youths to be ‘hit man’ acceptable. A civil war there during the last 10 years killed nearly 100,000 in horrible, horrible ways. Violence was deeply ingrained in the fiber of that country and an every day fact for kids like Hanner. Hanner came from where he came and than God for any help however it came. The issue is here, how did he happen to come as a child, under whose sponsorship and protection, for what motives? Who is looking for his best interest (certainly not the morally, professionally, ethically and intellectually challenged Baylor assistant coach who sent an email threat to deport Hanner nor any other Baylor athletic official who did not immediately fire him…even if whoever the official is, is the son of a legendary Valparaiso U. coach).

    We…you and I and Coach Crean, AD Glass, Messrs. Adams, Sr.and Adams,Jr (he is now an adult), Mr. Barrett and , yes, the IU administration and the faculty and the students (especially those who come from minority groups whose history involves some form of prior bondage) have a moral, ethical, religious (if it applies) and, likely, legal responsibility towards these kids. As does and should the NCAA. The status of kids like Perea, Jobe,Nyusku, Negedu, Jurkin comes way too close to reminding us of the indentured servitude plague that was once common and is now banned by the Constitution in this country, though still practiced in way too many places on this earth. Did you know a similar problem exists with soccer players who are being contracted/bondaged in Africa to European soccer clubs and are then left to their own means when they do not pan out with the higher divisions? The NCAA, better yet…the Justice Department needs to monitor this twist in human trafficking in our most prestigious institutions. We should make no compromise.

    I no longer doubt Fish’s interest in this story nor the ESPN editor/producers support.(ESPN has never been a favorite of mine- the journalism is not always consistent, and I believe they sensationalize for commercial purposes, though I see few examples of their inventing or misrepresenting the facts). Seeking out this story is just good journalism and ESPN had a responsibility to follow it out. It would be also be good indeed if Hugh Kellenberger or Dustin Dopirak called on (hopefully more than one) members of the IU Journalism department faculty (I’d recommend those who deal with investigative reporting and editorial-side management) and interviewed them for their takes of the journalism ethics and merits of this story.

    I apologize (to you Chet and to all other readers) for the length of this entry. The issue is simply too important, critical and complex to dismiss with a 140 character Tweet or a short comment claiming our opponents are just trying to s****w IU. IU is simply too close to my heart and, if it weren’t, the well being of Durkin, Jobe, Perea, Nyuskus and the other kids (yes, kids…near children) too morally demanding to let it go. Plus, as a ‘blog-buddy’ who respects your seriousness, interest and good nature I owe you more than the always present ‘Go IU!’ Hoosiers is who we are!

  22. Holy Testicle Tsao Tuesday on Wednesday!

    Just one point of clarification, Mr. Investigative Reporter…Drew Adams took his talents to the University of New Mexico to work with the old family friend, Steve Alford(you have erred more than once on this). Not sure if he stopped in Kansas, but the timing his departure suggests a ‘yellow brick road’. Though you write extensively, eloquently, and with hawk eye, please know that Drew Adams is now a Lobo. Alford climbed out of his hot tub at Iowa four years ago.

  23. TsaoTsuG, I agree with most of what you wrote. And I’m fine with the length of your comments because you covered a lot of ground, thoughtfully.

    Here is one part I can’t agree with: You stated that all the itmes A-Hope gave to assist their players with school and Perea’s airfare to visit his family are clearly violations. But there is nothing clear that they are violations, TsaoTsuG. You may think they are violations or that they ought to be; and Mike Fish might think they are or ought to be. But that is the exact part of this deal that is actually totally unclear. That is the part that will depend on how the NCAA interpets their rules. All the things you mentioned fit within A-HOPE’s mission statement. As far as I know, the NCAA doesn’t have clear rules about non-profits and to date, they have allowed them to give players the items you mentioned as long as they give them equally to all their players. Please don’t tell me that I am disingenuous to believe these aren’t violations. I can believe it is OK to give these things or not OK to give these things, but that has nothing to do with my belief about whether or not they are violations of the current NCAA recruiting rules. I don’t think at this point any of us know if they are or are not violations. But based on the NCAA’s position on non-profits in the past, if A-HOPE gives these benefits to all their players who need them, they won’t be considered violations. We’ll have to wait to see what the NCAA says.

  24. TTG, for the most part I am sympathetic to your viewpoint. Mr. Fish, however, was intellectually dishonest. From his story one would derive that Indiana Elite directed players to IU. That is not true. The players coming to IU committed before joining IE. Mr. Fish knew that but he conveniently left out those relevant facts to make it seem otherwise. IU is in the minority among schools that have benefited from A-Hope but, again, the story makes it seem otherwise. He used that type of manipulation of limited facts throughout the story and his subsequent interview. His constant harping that IU refused to discuss a potential recruit, insinuating something was amiss, while knowing full well that IU is forbidden by the NCAA from discussing the recruit. As for a non-profit providing airfare to a student to travel home, I do not know that it is a violation. Non-profits do that thousands of times. I read in my morning paper about a non-profit sending a student to visit his family. I don’t know if he was an athlete or not. I DO know that IU has absolutely no say in what a high school junior who has not signed a NLI does in conjunction with said non-profit. Mr Fish’s MO reminds me of a line from the movie ‘Absence of Malice”. When a reporter was asked if his story was true he said, “No, but it is accurate.”
    Thank you for your kind words.

  25. TTG, I reread your post and I am unclear about the ‘coverup’ reference. In the A-Hope issue all the involved parties agree that the NCAA is completely aware of the actions. If I recall correctly, the IU compliance department reported the violations to the NCAA in the Sampson affair. There really is no similarity with Tressel trying to hide his players misdeeds.

  26. If Fish had taken the five months to do this wouldnt find that only that only and handfull of players played on Indiana Elite I could probably name them all since i have watching Indiana since i was 10 years old. I do not think Indiana is getting alot of players come their way because we havent been getting them until 2012. Ooh let me go back a few years well we know we did not get a Zeller until this coming year. Davis is going to Cincy, I could go on and on we have not had a recruiting class as good as lets see like Kentucky, Ohio State, UCONN, oh lets stop there but no he goes after a team that has only won under 20 games the last three years. So If Fish wants to keep us down and down so be it we are coming back with or with out you. Facts that AAU and A-hope kids all coming to Indiana is false maybe cause these kids had played together for a long time. So Fish you may hate the Hoosiers but i guess you need to look at all the other teams like Ohio state football than a team that only has won under 20 games in three years

  27. Fish wasn’t trying to bring down IU. Fish wasn’t trying to bring down Tom Crean. I do think the photo’s he used were insinuating corruption and in bad taste, but if you really listened to the interview Fish repeatedly tried to convey that he was trying to uncover the truth about Hanner Perea and some of the gray area in college basketball, one of them being Non Profit Organizations.

    Everyone knows that there are problems at other schools, but when the Baylor/Hanner deportation issue happened several months back, Fish wanted to know more about Hanner and how he got here. Outside of Indiana this story is already a dead. I don’t necessarily care for the guy or his “investigative reporting”, but if IU has nothing to hide (like everyone is promoting) then there is nothing to worry about. And as far as bad publicity goes, I wouldn’t be surprised if somehow, someway this end’s up turning out to be a positive for IU and their recruits down the road.

  28. And by the way, I was going to attempt to read TTG’s comments but since it is actually longer than all of Mike Fish’s article’s put together I decided against it. Would someone who actually took the time to read it give a short summary???? I’m to lazy.

  29. Kind of funny how Tsao brought up the Baylor coach and his connection as the son of a legendary Valparaiso University coach, Homer Drew… Bryce Drew, most remembered for a heroic NCAA buzzer-beater that earned Valpo U. a trip to the Sweet 16, recently replaced his dad as the head coach at Valpo. Long story short: Bryce (coach at Valpo U.) and Scott(coach at Baylor) our brothers..their father is Homer(legendary Valpo U. coach before Bryce took over). It can get confusing. Do you also know that there was quite the in-state recruiting fight to get a kid that played at Valparaiso high school a few years back? Very tight-knit community up there…Lot of basketball history(Virgil Sweet, anyone?)…Anyway, Bryce played high school ball at Valpo High while dad was coaching at Valpo U..Bryce then went on to play for his dad…I’m sure the close relationships likely continue between Valpo U. and Valpo High School…Here’s where things get a little strange..Another very good basketball player came out of Valpo High School a few years ago. He will be a senior at Purdue this upcoming season (got another year of eligibility because of injuries). Do you also know that some have alleged the main initial informant the Kelvin Sampson 3-way phone call scandal/ subsequent NCAA investigation started with this highly-touted recruit from Valparaiso? There was a very important name coming out of the initial investigation..Many documents used as evidence in the investigation had the name blackened out. Once the Sampson thing went full blown, there was much speculation the key witness/whistle-blower was a kid from Valpo that Sampson was heavily interested in. Isn’t it odd how another possible NCAA investigation may arise out of our recruiting battles with names connected the same Northwest Indiana town? Strange stuff. Maybe somewhere within all these strange coincidences may be motives. Maybe I’m just paranoid how much some our rivals like us at the bottom those Big 10 standings staring at me in that box on the front page of Scoop. Truth will never be known those behind molehills made into mountains.

  30. RHF,

    Here’s a short summary:

    Blah, blah, blah..I want to see Crean fry. I love you Chet.

    Question for Hugh and Dustin: Do you guys ever hear from Chris Korman. It would be interesting to get his angle on this story.

  31. RHF,

    Here’s the condensed version:

    Blah, blah, blah..I want to see Crean fry. I love you Chet.

    Question for Hugh and Dustin: Do you guys ever hear from Chris Korman. It would be interesting to get his angle on this story.

  32. Chet,

    How so Miami? Because of the pell grant scandal in the early 90’s with their football program?

  33. HTTT on W- Ooops! Like the old 78rpm records when you didn’t set the record changer, the song ended and the changer arm kept going back to the beginning of the same record. Alford indeed is at New Mexico…my mistake not catching it. At least I didn’t describe him as a guard on the Hoosier team. Thank you for pointing the mistake out.

  34. Boomer, you are right…my assumption is that the NCAA considers a third party payment of travel home, whether an individual, non-profit (i.e. church or faith-based NGO), etc is a violation of the rules. It is, as you say, what the NCAA must decide according to its present rules. Good point.

  35. Chet, I believe my post says I think Mike Fish did what any good journalist would do…report the story. I also do agree that he plays lose with the spin…that’s the reference I make to ESPN in many cases…they sensationalize to support their view and maximize the audience impact. This is far from a flawless story. I’d like to know Mr. Fish’s intent as well. You quote from “Absence of Malice” is very appropriate. My comments regarding your value to this blog are heartfelt and earned.

  36. Nothin’ like vinyl. I inherited the most fabulous rock ‘n’ roll album collection from a brother-in-law that passed away after a terrible bout with cancer(inoperable tumor the size of grapefruit found in the middle his back against his spine)…I break them out occasionally in his honor. He was a huge basketball fan..He loved Indiana hoops..taught at Yorktown high school for many years.

    I’m still having trouble understanding how IU can be implicated in plane trips they take no part in funding. Are you saying it’s like a booster providing money to a recruit(e.g. the ‘Fab Five’ and what went on at Michigan) with the understanding the kid attends a particular university? What if the university is unaware the coercion and influence between the organization and the recruit?

  37. Chet, the ‘attempt to cover-up’ was a reference to Sampson and Senderoff ‘clumsy’, almost comical attempt to play cell-phone tag and involving several others (from the prospect’s friends and family) while doing it. The clumsy reference is also my view of Greenspan’s athletic department’s compliance unit trusting Sampson. Karzai in Afghanistan is more dependable.

  38. HTTT on W…that is exactly what needs to be established and the NCAA will (I asume) investigate. It is also what I am hoping against hope no one at IU is even remotely involved in. Look, I’d pay for Hanner’s plane fare out of my pocket ( a 17-year-old should be with his family at Christmas time) but I wouldn’t dare do it because I KNOW I’d be jeopardizing both Hanner and IU.

  39. HTTW…(sorry…needed to add), I also love the vinyl…the Paragons, the Jesters, Sam Cooke and on and on…and my old man could go back to Bing Crosby, the Dorsey bros…keep the memory!

  40. GFDave, I agree with you slant about a USA-Hope scenario.

    I listened keenly to the JMV interview and came away with the same thought I originally had when this story was released and that is Fish wrote a story trying to fit it to the ending he desired. Who knows maybe he also does not have an aptitude for geography; mistook Bloomington, Indiana for Columbus, Ohio.

  41. MiamiHoosier, they do have a bit of a checkered past. The Pell Grant scandal,Lou Saban was forced to quit after players assaulted a man, Luther Campbell’s “pay for play” scandal, creation of the “Miami rule” stemming from their Cotton Bowl unsportsmanlike conduct, the Miami-FIU brawl, numerous player arrests/deaths. I’m guessing they are close to your heart but I don’t think I’m outside the box when I say that, historically, Miami has a reputation as something of an ‘outlaw’ program.

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