1. Hugh, I really have doubt Bama is better able to protect a QB(GK) better than IU can. There may be an issue as to less sack exposure since the Tide is run oriented but not an issue in pass protection. IIRC IU only allowed 12 sacks last year with 500+ attempts. I have no reason to believe Coach Wilson and crew will be much different.

  2. Clarion,

    I think it is important to remember that Indiana had a NFL draft pick in James Brewer at right tackle, plus a guy in Ben Chappell that got the ball out quick (but also took a beating; he got hit plenty right after throwing).

  3. That is part of my point, a pass oriented OC coaching philosophy coaches the line to protect, his QB to get rid of the ball quickly and prepare for the hit after the delivery. Bama in a run oriented offense and with only 360+ air attempts allowed 32 sacks with obviously top talent manning the entire front. We do not run block well for the same reason they do not pass block well-offensive philosophy. In “09” we allowed more sacks(16)than in “10” with both Brewer and Saffold(NFL). I doubt the loss of Brewer will turn into 32 sacks just as the loss of Saffold did not. I maintain GK will have a much better chance of staying alive in the passing offense at IU than in Bama’s SEC. Now that does not make me think that locks him up for the Hoosiers. But I am quite sure the family Kiel of QB’s have weighed those same points for analysis.

  4. HC,
    I’m not going to enter all the way into the Kiel debate here, but I think the state of pass protection will be interesting with Brewer gone. What you have to remember is, Brewer didn’t really mature as a tackle until his senior year. Saffold was a star, but Brewer (who picked up football late in life) was still figuring out the game as a junior. A big reason the sack numbers didn’t skyrocket is Brewer became as dominant as a senior as Saffold was as a senior. Brewer replaced Saffold more than Andrew McDonald did by taking over his position, because in both years, they had one dominant tackle. Now the Hoosiers are replacing Brewer, and I’m not sure if anyone is as qualified to replace him as he was to replace Saffold. Andrew McDonald and Justin Pagan could possibly be coached up into that role (the teaching acumen of the staff could obviously make a difference here) and perhaps so could someone else. But it remains to be seen if someone actually will. Will be a major determining factor for this team.

  5. Hugh and DD, All true but the loss off Brewer and
    BC together will not add 20 sacks to bring the total up to the Tide’s level. Even with a less experienced QB in Kiel or EWB they are not the stationary target offered by BC. Although Dusty ran enough at East to make me believe he can take all the punishment Ben did. A QB’s health in an IU passing offense is in less jeopardy than in the pass plays of Bama unless solely considering that 150 fewer attempts lessening sack exposure also lessens injury exposure. And that could be so.

    Thanks for the back and forth. Batching for the next 3 nights, pondering the location of supper tonight. One thing for certain it will be somewhere with robust A/C along with the serving of a couple of frosty cylinders.

  6. Brewer made a lot of procedure mistakes. Ben Chappell was a good MAC quarterback. A high % of IU players from last year and years previous including these two are very replaceable with better talent…That is why they had a losing record. It’s a new beginning hopefully with a much improved program all the way around. I think this will prove out over the next few years…Better quarterbacks, running backs, tight ends, linemen, wide outs, kickers, punters, and football coaching minds.

  7. A good MAC quarterback might be a pretty good compliment. Not sure how many Big Ten alumni quarterbacks are in the League but aren’t there something like eight or nine MAC QBs in the NFL right now?

  8. Hugh wrote: “…[Lynch was] a father figure, he’d try to get the best out of you but if you lost, his …concern was…your future. That’s not Kevin Wilson – he’s going to push these kids in ways they haven’t been [but] how well will it go[after] Wilson has ripped up the depth chart and…upperclassmen…find themselves on the sideline… I don’t think that’s Wilson should do…”

    Not a very fair statement; full of assumptions by you Hugh. You confuse and (uncharacteristically) wrongly intertwine demanding and disciplined with despotic and brutal. There is a danger in generalized conclusions based on a reporter’s biases about discipline and heightened standards. At this point all we can be is hopeful and avoid prejudicing our thoughts..and the reader’s.

  9. Sorry, in my previous comment it should read “Hugh stated” rather than “Hugh wrote”.

  10. I often hear about how IU football team can score points, but they need defense. However, many times the offense struggles
    when the defense plays fairly well and vice versa. The offense can’t get a needed first down, the offense turns the ball over 3 or 4 times in critical situations (sometimes the other team scores off them). Any offensive success was often when IU played inferior to big ten competition.

  11. I didn’t hear Hugh’s statement so I’m assuming TTG is accurate. It does sound awfully subjective and doused in his own opinions of appropriate conduct. Which is fine, I like opinion pieces. Football is an interesting sport to coach. I have coached four sports at different levels (never beyond high school, so I’m no expert) and my approach to each is different. Even among football coaches, to do things effectively, in my opinion, coaches have to assume roles. The head coach may be a despotic figure. Or a father figure. Or even, God forbid, a God-like figure. At any rate, he has to find a role that elevates him above the other coaches. Position coaches, again in my opinion, are more likely to be the true father and/or friend figures. It is a real psychological gambit that some people find the correct formula for (Meyer, Saban, Parsegian, Osbourne, Paterno, et al) while some people seem to try the very same ploys and fail (Frank Kush comes to mind but there are plenty). Personally, from what I’ve heard, from a distance, Wilson seems to be taking a pretty mainstream approach to the head coaching position. I always felt that Bill Lynch was acting like a position coach when he needed to behave like a head coach.
    Time will tell.

  12. Chet, I also appreciate opinions…as long as they are based on some fact. Hugh’s, in this case is not only based on his own belief of what ‘appropriate’ behavior is for a coach,(and there is nothing wrong with that); but without any support basis-on-fact for what he believes Coach Wilson’s behavior will be. My issue is with the need to slow opinion to where there is actually something to base solid judgment on. Otherwise, opinion becomes prejudice (pre-judgment).

    Within 12 hours of his hiring Wilson was being criticized for the length of his apprenticeship, the fact that his reputation was as an ‘offensive’ coach, the way he ate his eggs…. There is a reason why the Hoosier football program has been unable to sustain quality. No small part of that reason is the absence of thoughtfulness in a large part of the fan base. I would hope all these years of losing and their contrast to the few years of winning (Mallory, Pont) would at least leave us(fans) as a ‘lessons learned’ to develop some wisdom on the basis of- at the very least-, ‘patience’.

    I also think that an important role of the journalist is the education of the reader. Otherwise, why spend so much money on paper two-thirds full of shopping ads? That being the case, I believe Hugh’s role should encourage first, informing the reader (with facts); second, providing solid analysis based on those facts; and then third, providing his educated opinion, regardless of what that is. That would make all of us (well, at least me) very happy.

    As always, I enjoy your thoughtfulness and honesty.

  13. Well, the ship has sailed on the ‘encourage’ point That’s just not how the guys view their roles and they’ve been very clear and honest about that. I, too, feel that it can be a productive part of their role but they do not. So be it. That’s a dead horse that doesn’t deserve another beating. Dustin and Hugh are young professional journalists who are currently covering IU. We are long time fans. They will, no doubt, move on in their careers to new locales, we will still be here.
    That being said, based upon your report, it does sound as if Hugh may have taken quite the opposite approach. If the guys choose not to be surrogate cheerleaders, so be it. However, that is a two sided coin. If they choose not to subjectively encourage, nor should they subjectively demean.

  14. Actually Chet, my bad, I had a comma in the the wrong place and it (the wrong comma placement) gave my sentence the wrong meaning. My sentence should have read “…encourage, first informing the reader; second,…”. I actually feel their interpretation that they are not beholden to any specific obligation to be supportive [of IU] is correct, that is the professional attitude. I just thought that in this case Hugh went beyond the parameters in a criticism that was unsupported by ‘known’ facts. I do share your view otherwise.

  15. I was out of town this weekend, but this discussion has been bothering me. Tsao, Hugh’s assumptions on Wilson’s possible behavior were based on things Wilson actually said during spring practice about freshman and upperclassmen. Some of that can be found in this story: http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/2011/04/06/iusports.qp-8648450.sto

    So Hugh in fact is basing his opinions (in a live chat, not an actual column) on real information. Wilson said he is going to look to play true freshmen. Hugh is saying he doesn’t know how that will go over and if it’s the right call.

  16. Dustin, I find that ridiculous. Aren’t we paying Wilson a whole bunch of money to make that kind of decision? Freshman play all over the country. Who cares how it ‘goes over’? Personally, I want a coach to come in and put the best players on the field. Perhaps part of the problems we’ve been having is coaches trying to make players feel good. They can build their self esteem in kindergarten.

  17. There’s an argument to be made on either side there, and I didn’t necessarily take Hugh’s side on the argument. Tsao said Hugh was speculating on Wilson’s behavior without facts. He was just predicting a possible reaction to an action Wilson has made clear is possible. Again, not saying his opinion is right or wrong. We don’t know how it will go over or how it will work. But as columnist, he is within his bounds to share his opinion because he isn’t making anything up there.

  18. Fair enough. I don’t agree with Hugh but that’s happened before. Bon voyage, mon ami (probably misspelled).

  19. Chet,

    I wasn’t saying that one way was necessarily good and the other equally bad. But look at it this way: you work a job. Your boss hired you and told you it was your job to represent the company well, get as much training as you can and work as hard as you can. If we end up in the Fortune 500, that’s great. If not, we know we’re good people and our process is sound. He’s fired. The new guy comes in and says he’s going to hire a bunch of new people and they’re not necessarily going to start at the bottom of the totem pole. How would you react?
    I think such a scenario is interesting to cover, even if I won’t be the one who does it. That’s all I was saying.

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