Wilson defends and criticizes self on fourth-down calls

Kevin Wilson has coached in two games and already, he’s had to make two critical fourth-down calls in the red zone with the potential to change the game.

Both times he decided to go for it. Both times Indiana failed to convert.

And since it failed, the first-year Indiana coach said, there’s no denying it. It’s his fault. He made the wrong call.

“I’m the guy who makes the most mistakes every game,” Wilson said. “I can’t tell you how many times I’ve said, ‘that’s a bad call.’ I’ve said for 20-some years ago. That’s a bad call. Everytime it doesn’t work, I think it’s a bad call, because I could’ve called something else. Even if that guy missed a block or didn’t throw it to the right guy, you make the choice to do this play. I’ve done it for a long time and there’s a boatload of mistakes.”

But Wilson doesn’t apologize for his mindset or for being aggressive, he said, because when you have an opportunity to score seven points instead of three, you have to take it.

“You’ve gotta score touchdowns,” Wilson said. “… We’ve gotta take the gambles that we think can get touchdowns. Right now, it’s imploded, but we gotta keep pushing the envelope a little bit. It’s also me telling the players, I told them yesterday, ‘I trust you guys. We’ve ran those fakes in practice every day. We’re not doing it for practice. We’re doing it in the games. I got confidence in you and we’re trying to give those guys some things.’ We’re trying to build confidence. I’m going to be aggressive. I could sit here and pucker up and get nervous about it, but I gotta be reasonably aggressive, because if we want them to be aggressive, I have to be. I know I have to be calculated. I know I can do a better job and be smarter. At the same time, I’m not second-guessing. I always analyze.”

Junior center Will Matte said Wilson is correct and going for it on fourth down does give the Hoosiers confidence, because it shows them their coaches believe in them.

“I have no problem with them,” Matte said. “I like them actually. I think, first off, we shouldn’t get into fourth-and-goal. We should be able to score in three. I mean, we need as many points as possible. I like the call. … He trusts us. We have to trust ourselves to do what we’ve been practicing to do. I like that. I think he believes in us. Now we’ve just gotta execute.”

Wilson also said again Tuesday that he believed he made a play-calling mistake on the 3rd-and-5 late in the game on Saturday that led to redshirt sophomore quarterback Edward Wright-Baker being sacked by Virginia defensive end Cam Johnson, fumbling the ball and setting up Virginia kicker Robert Randolph for the game-winning kick. Wilson said the Hoosiers blocked the play to the right and the Cavaliers brought three rushers from the left side of the field. Wright-Baker had Johnson coming right at him, but didn’t notice because he was looking down field.

“We put him in a bad position,” Wilson said.

So far, there are things Wilson likes about Wright-Baker’s game and somethings he doesn’t like. There is some progression, he says, but there are some places where he hasn’t seen enough improvement.

“Ed looked good, as all quarterbacks do, when the surrounding things were going good,” Wilson said. “When the surrounding help hasn’t been as good, he’s been a little bit off. He’s got one pick in two games. … How many times has he’s thrown the play where you’ve said, ‘Why’d you throw it there? You’re beating us. You’re throwing it amongst, 8-10-12 guys. He’s managing well, but he’s missing some things. We’ve got some gimmes that we need to get. We’ve got it in the middle of the fairway. We’ve got a chance to be aggressive with a wedge in our hand and we’re leaving it 30 feet away. … That’s where he could be so much better.”

However, Wilson said he’s got a concern about the film study habits of all three of his quarterbacks.

“We’ve got this 20-hour rule,” Wilson said. “But quarterbacks typically watch more tape than coaches. Where you at? I can’t make them come. I’m used to seeing quarterbacks a bunch, because they study. I can’t make it mandatory because of the rules, but you don’t make A’s if you go to class, you go home and you never study. You don’t win football games if you don’t have great quarterback play and you don’t continue to invest. That’s why with Ed, Dusty (Kiel), Tre (Roberson) all our guys, we’re trying to teach them, even though I can’t make things mandatory, there’s a way a quarterback prepares.”

Other notes from Tuesday’s press conference:

–Kevin Wilson spent a year coaching in the Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference as an assistant coach at North Carollina A&T, so he has an idea of the caliber of player he will see at South Carolina State.

“They’re very athletic,” Wilson said. “It’s a great region, and because it’s I-AA, they have bounce-backs, where kids whether they get disenchanted with where they are, they don’t like where they’re at, sign D-I and transfer, when you transfer and go down you play right away without sitting out a year. … Very good football, very good athletes.”

The Hoosiers will still assuredly be heavily favored, but Wilson said they shouldn’t read into that at all, especially after the loss to Ball State.

“How would you judge the first game on paper?” Wilson asked a reporter. “You saw what happened on paper. We didn’t come to play. I don’t think we’ve had enough success that we need to worry about what the paper says – the paper of stats or where you’re at or whatever — we’re a work in progress and a team trying to find it’s identity. … If you had pro scouts walking in the door, they’re going to have as many guys they’re looking at down in Orangeburg as they do at our place right now, that’s a fact.”

— Wilson was asked about scheduling and his philosophy on playing FCS teams. He said the philosophy changes with the league going to a nine-game schedule.

“If we’re talking about the league going to a nine-game schedule, shoot, to me, all that’s gonna do is water down everybody’s non-conference schedule,” Wilson said. “All we did is just guarantee six Big Ten losses by going to a nine-game schedule. We guaranteed six more teams are gonna lose that week. We were 10-2 the first week, last week we’re 7-5. You’re guaranteed 6-6 when you play in conference.”

So that means, he said, Indiana will continue to schedule FCS teams and MAC teams just as the rest of the Big Ten will. In the future, he’d like to play more I-AA teams that are close by, which is at least part of the plan with Indiana State playing several games in Bloomington in the near future.

“If you want to play a I-AA team, I like that with Indiana State coming up,” Wilson said. “… It would be nice to play some teams in the region. … With the strength of the conference schedules, I think people are going to find a way to win some non-conference games.”

— Wilson wasn’t thrilled with Monday’s practice and let his team know it.

“All we did was we just went to the line and ran for about 20 minutes,” Wilson said. “Coaching is overrated if you don’t practice hard, so we’re going to get the heart rate up one way or the other. They can either practice hard or be a well-conditioned team, so yesterday we worked on our conditioning level.”

He was asked, then, if he thought the team was handling the losses the right way. He also said that line of thinking was overrated.

“I think we make a big deal about what we think they’re seeing on SportsCenter and reading in the papers,” Wilson said. “I think the kids are being kid and they’re going to class, Facebook, chasing girls and practicing ball. I don’t think they get caught up in that as much as we do.”

But there needs to be, he said, an overall improvement in the work ethic and mindset.

“We’ve repeatedly lost games here and close games more than you’d like to think you should,” Wilson said. “That makes me think again, I don’t think our talent is as far off as our will to win. To me it’s the law of the jungle or whatever. Things are going to stay the same until you change it. We’ll continue to lose games until we change the way we practice. … We can scheme, make coaching adjustments, player adjustments, player development, recruiting, we’ll do all those things. But ultimately, we’re not going to win consistently until we refuse to lose.

— Wilson said he held a vote in the spring asking the players if they wanted red or white helmets. There were 84 players in the room, he said, and 76 of them voted for white helmets.

“We were very fortunate with funding and had the opportunity that we were able to have two,” Wilson said. “I brought it up, said, ‘Hey, I don’t know what our traditions are.’ I actually think our color’s a smidge off. I think we’re a little more crimson than it’s coming off. That’s just by the dye and material that was given to us. I think we’re a little bit of a darker shade of red, but that’s not my call. Adidas kind of threw the colors at us, that’s the way the dye came out or something. I’m not about changing the school colors. I took the stripes off the top of the jerseys. I thought it looked like some SEC teams. I just wanted a cleaner look. Do we go forward with it? Yeah. I’m gonna ask the kids each week if they have a preference. We could go whites with whites, whites with reds or reds with reds. We’ll mix it up as we go.”

— Wilson said he’s trying to figure out the best way to use freshman quarterback Tre Roberson, who played one play in Saturday’s game against Virginia, rushing for a loss of three yards.

“Can we play him in one of those hybrid spots?” Wilson said. “Can we play him a little bit in the kicking game? He doesn’t have phenomenal size. He’s still a little slight, but our thought process is he does some things in the running game. He doesn’t throw it poorly. We wouldn’t become a wildcat team because Tre’s in the game and it’s just run, run, run, run, run. But we are trying to expand his role.”

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57 comments

  1. “If you had pro scouts walking in the door, they’re going to have as many guys they’re looking at down in Orangeburg as they do at our place right now, that’s a fact.”

    “Things are going to stay the same until you change it. We’ll continue to lose games until we change the way we practice. … We can scheme, make coaching adjustments, player adjustments, player development, recruiting, we’ll do all those things. But ultimately, we’re not going to win consistently until we refuse to lose.”

    Those two comments tell you everything you need to know about the challenge that Wilson and his staff face in transforming IU football into a competitive Big Ten team.

  2. When I read quotes from Coach Wilson I truly believe he is going to change things for the better. I love everything he says. He knows what he wants, what he needs, and he is going to get it eventually.

  3. Dustin; another great story. Nice job.

    Wilson seems like a very interesting and forthright guy in a news conference or a one-on-one interview! It seems to me that you don’t get the same lame coaching tripe from him like you do with so many coaches. There’s some meat to his statements.

    I laughed out loud at his comment, “They can either practice hard or be a well-conditioned team, so yesterday we worked on our conditioning level.”

    I like this guy.

  4. “I don’t think our talent is as far off as our will to win.”

    Podunker,(IamforIUfb) Wilson seems to have such a sharp instinct for what is going on around him and what is going on inside the players. Glass had an inspired moment when he thought “this is the guy we need.

    More than anything, it isn’t necessary to read between the lines about what he is saying…he tells you clearly, unequivocally, and it appears looking in your eyes what he wants, what he expects and that this is the minimum one should expect from himself. I think this will ultimately lead to highly successful teams and, more important, highly successful clear-eyed individuals.

  5. “We’ve got this 20-hour rule,” Wilson said. “But quarterbacks typically watch more tape than coaches. Where you at? I can’t make them come. I’m used to seeing quarterbacks a bunch, because they study. I can’t make it mandatory because of the rules, but you don’t make A’s if you go to class, you go home and you never study. You don’t win football games if you don’t have great quarterback play and you don’t continue to invest. That’s why with Ed, Dusty (Kiel), Tre (Roberson) all our guys, we’re trying to teach them, even though I can’t make things mandatory, there’s a way a quarterback prepares.”

    This is a critical issue. One of the complaints voiced about Rex Grossman while with the Chicago Bears is that he didn’t spend enough time “studying” the game or ‘studying game film’ of himself or opponents. The great quarterbacks such as Payton Manning, Bob Griese or Drew Breeze have a reputation for exactly the opposite…they are/were often in the film room long into the night and have a very critical eye, especially in regards to their own play.

  6. Tsao; while reading your post above, a hypothesis jumped into my brain (it’s just a hypothesis people, it’s not not even an opinion) and I wanted to float it.

    Perhaps, just maybe, relative to his last nine or so years at Oklahoma, what Wilson is recognizing is that the quarterbacks that chose to play at IU did so for the primary purpose of getting their education. As compared to the quarterbacks that chose to attend Oklahoma, for the primary purpose of making it to the NFL. Certainly, based on reputation and history, if you aspire to and believe you’re capable of playing in the NFL, you’d choose Oklahoma over IU, regardless of the quality of education (I’m not saying Oklahoma is a bad school)

    That’s not to say that Oklahoma’s players don’t try to get their education or that IU’s players don’t aspire to play in the NFL, but the question is ‘what is the player’s primary objective when selecting a school to play for? Is it getting their education or playing in the NFL?

    One of my roommates at IU was a very successful football player. I believe he was drafted in the second round, started immediately for the New York Giants and spent three of four years in the NFL and USFL after graduating from IU. I remember when I first met him at IU, a bunch of us were teasingly asking him “why did you choose to accept IU’s offer?” He had offers from all the top football schools, including OK, TX, Neb, AL, USC, Penn State, etc. He said two very interesting things in response. #1. IU was the only team that did not try to cheat during his recruitment. He was the son of a Midwestern Protestant Minister and a real straight arrow. He had been appalled at some of the things that were offered to him and his family in exchange for playing for certain schools (some of his stories would curl your hair). #2, he was determined to get his degree in accounting. He told us that all the other schools recruiting, with the exception of IU, had dictated to him what he was going to study. Lee Corso told him, “hey, you can get your degree in anything you want as long as IU offers the academic program. He like IU’s School of Business and wanted to get his accounting degree and become a CPA after his football career was finished (don’t know if he did that or not). He was totally sincere.

    As a young college student, his comments that the other football coaches tried to dictate what he would study was a surprise to me (hey, I was young and naive). He said that the other coaches were not even subtle about the matter and told a story about a meeting with one head coach who, after asking him what he wanted to get his degree in, responded with a chuckle and said, “No, young man, you’re going to get a degree in general studies or physical education.”

    He made it to the NFL, but he chose IU for the primary purpose of getting his degree in accounting.

  7. The uniform thing interested me. I didn’t hate the white helmets, but I think it’d look better with red pants/red jerseys/white helmets. And obviously I mean crimson, which Adidas is apparently determined not to give IU. Still better than some ridiculous Nike Pro Combat thing, which would probably be gray or something.

  8. Podunker, there may be some of that though I also know that the U. of Oklahoma has a fine academic reputation (similar to IU’s) as well. The fact that they have an outstanding football program does not necessarily translate into lousy academics. Just like our outstanding basketball program during Bob Knight’s days was seen as an example of an outstanding institution and not “in spite of …”.

    But your comment also points to where IU can go in football with someone with a healthy all-around vision. In the past IU had the campus, had the top notch Big Ten academics but lacked the facilities, the budget, the strategy and the vision by its trustees and administration. Without the budget it wasn’t going to get the facilities. Our stadium seemed outdated and sparse two years after it was inaugurated. The ‘hut’ that is now an auxiliary building was the athletic department….and so forth.

    Every time we went after a coaching staff, our budget was 25% of market and then we had to rummage through insufferable dozens of letters complaining as to why we were paying someone $250,000 when the comparison scales put other head coaches at one and two million. Only a Mallory and now a Wilson loved the game and seemed to be looking for a place where they could do what they loved, at a fair wage and retire within the same community. That may not attract Pete Carroll, but then, I wouldn’t want to have Pete Carroll.

    Glass appears to know what he wants to do and have both a vision and a plan. He also seems to have a realistic approach at the revenues/expenditures side. He knew what he was looking for when he first ran into Kevin Wilson (never shortchange intuition in these matters)…and had the wisdom to know when to stop looking. He seems to have Wilson’s back and to support him with the budget he needs, while allowing him (Wilson) to spend it as Wilson sees fit while distributing it to the staff as he (Wilson) sees is necessary. Those are all huge issues Podunker.

    Here’s one just as big. The President of the University seems comfortable admitting he probably doesn’t know a whole h*** of a lot about football (he is probably watching the the New Zealand All Black in the Rugby World Cup right now [Greenwich [London] time])

    There is something about Wilson that I think is critically important and from which we are reaping huge benefits. Wilson has been an assistant (indeed, a top assistant)for twenty years. He is as close to the ‘ground’ and the seed as you can get. He knows both what the players want and what they need. He knows when to water and when to prune. Wilson, because he was an assistant who waited for the perfect situation for him, is both humble and- because of his success at Miami, Northwestern (Yes, Northwestern), Oklahoma, etc…,-he is self-confident. His history made him well prepared and a realist.

    Combine that with the points you made about IU. Student-athletes who want a solid, demanding education, at a respected institution that prepares you for life after puberty. Top level competition, strong well prepared coaching, stable involved mentoring by sincere adults and a solid, loyal and truly dedicated community of fans along with what IU is now- finally- willing to ‘invest’ in its football program and the thirst for success in its followers…it couldn’t be much better. It is the perfect ‘weather’ front.

    All we have to do is to be patient, give Wilson and staff the latitude to develop the program as they see it. And trust them because they are ‘weathered professionals’ at it.It could be the way it is supposed to be and that would be fun. We deserve it.

    Great discussing with you (and all the good guys looking over our shoulders) Podunker.

  9. Oops, sorry…made a huge mistake. Where I stated the President (of IU) is comfortable admitting that he doesn’t know….[a lot about football], I meant to finish the paragraph saying ‘…and appears comfortable leaving it to Glass’ judgment and administration…”.

    And, add Australia (his home country) to the teams he’ll be watching in the Rugby World Cup.

    Sorry.

  10. Coach Wilson is such a breath of fresh air for this program. Doesn’t pull punches, doesn’t sugar coat anything, and takes full responsibility for himself and his coaching staff and the performance on the field. The way it should be.

    These last 4-5 years has seen some of the best talent IU has had in a while, I just wonder what we could have became with Wilson and staff running the show over that time span?

    TTG,
    While I don’t always agree with you, your last long post raised some great points about the previous state of the program and what is happening now and for the near future. The culture is changing, and while some changes can be immediate (coaching changes, finacial investments, etc) there are other aspects that will take more time. I think Wilson will start winning sooner or later, I still believe there are 6 wins in this team this season, which would make them at least 4-4 in the conference and heading to a bowl game.

    I was really bummed about the outlook on this season after the BSU game, but came out wiht a positive outlook on the direction the program is heading under Wilson after UVA. I don’t believe in moral victories, and don’t feel as though there were any on Saturday, but all to often in the past, teams who had the last 2 minutes of a half like they did Saturday would have been blown out by an even bigger margin.

  11. The Big Ten Network money changed everything for IU football. I’m just glad that the university president was willing to reinvest that money.

  12. Chet, Correct you are. To expand it further, in relationship to the FB program the BTN $, AD Glass and Coach Wilson become the equivalent of the Big Bang theory. Also Coach Wilson’s public persona is attractive because he tells us what he knows and believes and whether you like it or not is up to us. The only thing that will change the methods he believes work are results.

    On a different topic has anyone else heard talk the B10 held simultaneous talks with ND and Taxas last week in Chicago? I know everyone has freinds and I have a friend in Chicago who is adamant this took place. Even down to some details stating there is an agreement to roll back the conference schedule to 8 games, protecting rivalry traditions, nonconference games allowed later in the season, comingling the LHN in some fashion with the BTN, the possibility that after adding 13 and 14 a pause before any other possible expansion and none of this can take place till after 2014. Seems aggressive. I do not know but certainly is thought provoking.

  13. HC,

    First I’ve heard of that. I don’t see Texas as being interested in the Big Ten. They have their own Network deal through ESPN that will net them 206 million if ESPN clears 295 million in profits. They can’t contribute to any future Big 12 network, and must work to secure broadcast rights for their away games to be broadcasted on their channel. I’m sure if they were to make the jump to the Big Ten, the BTN wouldn’t go for that, and ESPN would be changing that contract very quickly! Interesting stuff though.

  14. Fwiw, CW is the funniest coach I’ve heard in a long while. “it was like arguing with my wife” “QBs are busy chasing girls” “they look lean, you know, not like me.” I love this guy.

    And if IU is the clean program that beats OSU only once every 10 years, that’s fine with me. Go hobbits!

  15. I think it’s safe to say that chatter on the Scoop has become, really, really boring. Teddy, thank you for livening it up with a few K.W. quotes.

  16. I too am becomming a KW fan. I like his straight forward, no-nonsense style and I agree that he will ultimately turn IU’s football fortunes “north.” That said, patience is indicated…the UVA game was a step forward despite the loss. But, teams in this stage of development tend to be erratic, so even though the trajectory is positive, it would not be surprising if we see a step backwards with SC State. I hope not obviously, but…

  17. Back to KW’s comments about the difference in the amount of time QBs spend studying film. If KW can’t “force” them to spend more time in the film room because of the rules, and they’re not inclined to do so voluntarily, what’s the solution to this critical issue involving preparation? Is that part of the culture change that must be implemented at IU football? Will Gunner be IU’s first film buff that meets KW’s expectations when he arrives on campus or is that just not in IU FB’s DNA?

    I was surprised by that comment from KW and still don’t have a clue how he’s going to “fix” that problem given the rules that prevent him from requiring the extra time.

  18. Podunker,
    I don’t so much get the impression that the quarterbacks don’t watch film, it’s just that they don’t watch film quite enough. I think it’s one of those situations where a young man thinks he’s working hard, but hasn’t yet grasped exactly how much higher the bar is than it used to be. It’s something that comes with time. And I don’t think that’s so much a Bill Lynch to Kevin Wilson thing as it is a new starter thing. No one ever said Ben Chappell didn’t study enough, and I’m sure he studied more as a senior than he did as a sophomore because by then he realized how much more there was to see.
    Wilson’s said he’s told players that workouts are voluntary, but he voluntarily decides who plays and who doesn’t. He can’t sit there and watch them and “require” that they’re in the film room, but he has ways he can call them out. And as much as he says he doesn’t do this, putting it out there in the media is an option.

  19. Dustin, thanks for the insight. I think your comment, “it is a new starter thing” is probably on target.

  20. Tsao- KW looking to retire in Bloomington? If he doesn’t turn this program around he’ll have to hightail it out of town with the trustees chasing him to get their money back (or I should say “our money back,” if I understand the meaning of “trustee” correctly). If he does turn IU into a contender, then the “USC/Ohio St./Texas/Alabama/you-name-it-big-time-program-that-has-just-lost-its-coach-to-scandal-or-retirement” crowd will be waving so much money at him that he’ll just have to take it and and get while the gettin’ is good. Let’s hope its the latter scenario! Seriously- when Gary Barnett left Northwestern some naive types couldn’t figure out why he would leave after he had become almost God-like on campus for straightening out that program. As in any profession, money is a serious consideration, and enough of it will make just about anyone take that new job no matter how warm and fuzzy the old one has become, and I refuse to be hypocrite enough to criticize anyone who does.

  21. Wow…you really like to think about this stuff;… so do I. I think a whole lot depends on how we (the University and fans) treat Wilson. He was an assistant a long time, so loyalty seems to be a core part of his value system (does not surprise me). I believe if we are fair with him, give him the ‘space’ to influence the culture and continue to support his program…I don’t perceive him to be the type of man who would pack and leave.

    If he loses. Right now, I don’t even think about that. The focus has to be on changing the culture and letting that take care of the record. Without the change of culture; even with a winning record, we change nothing.

    If he is what I firmly believe he will be…

    It’s also very important that (and this I think, not 100 percent sure) he’s got a daughter who is just beginning high school and they seem to be comfortable here. Bloomington is a great town for a family. So yeah…I think we would get a ‘home town’ advantage. I don’t see him as a Pete Carroll, a Lou Sabin, a Howard Schnellenberger or a Ron Zook chasing fame or Hollywood unless the NCAA gets you first. Go back to when KW accepted the job and was asked about how or why he had waited so long to be a head coach. He described how comfortable he was with ‘waiting for the exact job (and town). He chose what he felt he ‘wanted’.

    It also says something about IU and Bloomington that Bill Mallory, Di Nardo, Phil Dickens, the Hoeppner family, even Coach Lynch thought about IU and Bloomington as a destination and settled there beyond the job itself. There are several families around Bloomington of assistants under former coaches who chose to stay in Bloomington and are still there. Those are important issues.

    Also remember that before Brand got into his own ego Mr. Universe contest, you could not even come close to thinking Bob Knight would leave. And, the man had an offer-a-day, some for 2-3 times the salary.

    But, we also can’t be dumb about it either. If KW has the success that I think he will have, we will have to be supportive, fair (about issues like salaries, etc) and, possibly as or in the right circumstances more important, with the assistant coaches as well. Money, benefits and security do not have to be everything, but we can’t ignore them. I think Glass knows that.

    What I am not worried about is a Barnett like scenario. The word around Chicago was that he was ‘on the make’ as soon as he got Northwestern fans to let go of their noses. In the end, they were glad to see him go. They weren’t naive…they knew the difference between a football coach and a street walker. Pat Fitzgerald, on the other hand, is one heck of a guy, several layers of improvement over Barnett and is in his right element.

    If WE are smart, KW’s story will be similar to Mallory’s (and Fitzgerald’s at NW)…build a respected and respectable program and retire comfortably as a loved figure. (Of course, the obviously brain-challenged A.D. who made the decision to fire and opened more than a decade of pain and suffering for us).

  22. Tsao, if you come to Bloomington, please let me know so we can meet/chat…maybe you would not even be up for that, not sure. In person I can go on character but it is impossible to prove that on a blog and I won’t try as I have failed before miserably. I could give you so much more as to what kind of man Wilson is both pos and neg. However, I will say I don’t expect him to stay here if he does well and I will leave it at that.

  23. When I reached the point in my career where I could live anywhere I want’t I flirted with the idea of moving back to Bloomington. I’m glad I stayed put, but Bloomington is a great place to live.

  24. tell ya what. I grew up in the south and I would never trade Bloomington, Indiana. A small town that has a large town feel with all the University brings in! I love it here!!!

  25. J Pat,
    I’ll expand on this at some point, and I’m sure I’ll get attacked to some degree here. I think if he gets a big offer, he takes it. I don’t think that makes him disloyal, because he’s in fact extremely loyal personally. But he’s been in this business for a long time and chased his dream a lot of different places. I think he wants to see the view from the top of the mountain. Maybe he finds it at Indiana, but maybe he finds it some place else. If he does, I don’t think you can fault him for that. Just as I don’t think its disloyal to Bloomington or the Herald-Times to say that if Sports Illustrated calls, I’m outta here, and just as it wasn’t disloyal to Marquette for Tom Crean to go to Indiana, I don’t think it would be disloyal for Kevin Wilson to go home to North Carolina or somewhere else.

  26. Dustin, so well said…you did better than I could have. I looked at Cam as one who would stay and Dinardo as one who would go bigger cause he had seen big time at LSU and Hep as one who would stay and Lynch as one who would stay. My gut was always that Wilson would step up…I mean if you can turn IU around you should be able to name your school. I don’t think that would make him disloyal at all as long as IU is in good standing if/when he ever leaves. I hope you are not attacked!! me either for that matter!

  27. JPat, it’s obvious that, at the very least, you are very suspicious of Coach Wilson if not plainly dislike him. That’s your business. Personally, I would not want to hear your negatives (nor your positives) about him because they are good for you and are interpretations of what you’ve heard, experienced in your own personal life and a part of an interpretation based on your own life experiences.

    Mine are probably totally different than yours. My own experiences are such that I like people like Kevin Wilson and Bob Knight a lot. I appreciate their candor, their honesty, their integrity and their directness…all key issues for me when I look for a leader.

    I also probably probably overlook some characteristics, episodes and shortcomings (i.e. Bob Knights explosions) because in the long run I weigh the good and the bad of an individual and if the individual is basically what I consider a good person I put aside the negatives (it is not my business to change them nor run around like some 58 year-old embittered old ditty gossiping on a back yard fence. If, on the other hand, the bad outweighed the good, then I walk away and really see a dark hole where that person used to be standing. Why?…that’s my constitution.

    Take you and the couple of disagreements we’ve had. I actually think you are a pretty decent person, have your opinions (for what reason, I have no idea) but fundamentally a good guy, While some of the things you say or your affinity for “someone told me” drives me nuts at times, I choose to put that annoyance to the side and continue having a relationship with you (wipe that tear off your face!) because I enjoy it and it adds to my life. (Which does not mean I won’t pund you over the head every time I think you go off the reservation…but I’ll do so with a kind smile).

    We fundamentally disagree on the take about KW. The very things that annoy and frustrate you are the reason I believe why KW will be successful at IU, will see his vision to its complete achievement and will remain a respected, admired and happy person at IU for a long, long time. Just like Coach Mallory.

    (I told you, stop sniffing into that Kleenex!). Glad I got that out JPat…there are a lot of good things that come from you. (Just watch it!)

  28. Now for you Dustin. Reread my original statement. I said “…loyalty seems to be a core part of his (Wilson’s) value system… And, I went on to note a number of reason and issues that would- in my opinion-, adding to my heavily thought likelihood that Coach Wilson will stay at IU through the achievement of his vision and beyond, probably to retirement. Just like Coach Mallory, Coach Hoeppner and, yes, Coach Knight.

    Believe it or not, I believe they are the same type of individuals- just different in personalities. Coach Hoeppner announced right at the beginning that he sought the IU job because it had been his dream to coach IU for a long time. Which, in the minds of many made him out to be a nut-case unconcerned with his career; but, to those who really knew him was totally consistent with the way he lived his life. He was outgoing, aggressive but gregarious and enthusiastic and accepting all at once.

    Whenever I think of coach Mallory I think of professional (in the good sense), determined, basic and quietly very thoughtful and extremely committed to whatever challenges he accepts for himself. His personality tended towards serious and contemplative.

    Bob Knight had all of those virtues. I have seen few ‘professionals’ who were more dedicated, serious, thoughtful and contemplative individuals than Knight. (Perhaps the likes of Dr. Salk, Gen. Powell, Congressman Hamilton, Barry Goldwater, Gen. Petraeus and former Secty. of Defense Gates). Few kinder and able to empathize with individuals. But, because of his knowledge of human nature his way of helping was ‘tough love’…when he found people in a crisis, his way was to teach them to fish, not buy day-old sardines for them. Was he explosive, …no doubt; mercurial, yes; I would even add there was a level of insecurity in his personality probably related to his teen age years when he was raised by his grandparents, both of whom were deaf. But you got what you saw in him and he never apologized for being real.

    All of these people are linked by one quality, a great sense of fairness that gave and demanded true loyalty. Which, I believe, Coach Wilson has in spades and is the reason I gave to ‘Davis’ in my post as why I think Coach Wilson is here for the long haul….as long as he is treted fairly and with respect.

    Loyalty, as I used it, not as you misused it in your hurried comment does not mean that they will never, ever, ever do something that takes them away from us. But, take it to the bank it would have taken and will take a lot (not just money and ‘fame’ which seem to be the only coins you and others seem to think are pertinent), a lot of issues- both tangible and intangibles- (in Knights case the disloyalty and betrayal by Miles ‘Mighty Peep Mouse/Rat’ Brand and the shrugging of shoulders by other similarly wishy-washy goo-goos dressed as Hoosiers)to get them to think about it.

    Just as I said to JPat, definitions of ‘loyalty’ and our take on them are totally dependent on each of our own life’s experiences and histories, good and bad. I find a great consistency between your definitions and the thoughts you express about sports; what it takes to be a good coach or athlete; and what would motivate you in your career decisions.

    I really, really hope (in fact, I will pray) you get an offer from Sports Illustrated.

  29. I hope that the coaches of our two major revenue sports enjoy much success and retire as Hoosiers. I think it would be cool to know a writer at SI but I don’t want to run Dustin off, not that I possess any such power.

  30. Tsao,
    Thanks for that last comment.
    I guess my question for you is this. If Kevin Wilson does in fact get a bigger job that leads him out of Bloomington, and he takes it simply because it is a bigger job, will that change your opinion of him? Will you feel betrayed, and will there be a dark hole where he used to be standing?
    I think you wrongly presume that I dislike Wilson or that I have some sort of disdain for him. I simply understand that he is human. Your above response to JPat suggests to me, as so much else has, that in your mind you have your heroes and you have your villains. There are slime-ball carpet-baggers who are destroying the fabric of society and everything else we hold dear and there are these paragons of virtue. Everyone wears either a white hat or a black hat.
    So will you switch Wilson’s hat if he takes another job? And do you really think that’s fair?
    I honestly don’t think it’s a question of money and fame. It’s about chasing a dream. And I totally get that. I don’t think Wilson needs $6 million a year to be happy, and I don’t think he needs to be bowed to by adoring fans every day of his life. But I don’t think he’d be able to pass up the idea of just being the coach of a big-time powerhouse. To call himself the head coach at Texas or Oklahoma, or even to go home to North Carolina. And I don’t think that makes him a bad guy at all, just as I don’t think it made Tom Crean a bad guy when he kept coming back to “It’s Indiana.” He took this job for literally EXACTLY the reasons I’m talking about.
    So what color hat does he wear?

  31. Tsao- I hope that you are right and I’m wrong about whether KW stays if he turns the program around. If he does and goes for a bigger/better gig, God bless him.

    One thing about successful people, in any field, is that what would satisfy most people does not satisfy them. Why else do many businessman, worth millions, keep working their tails off for the next millions? A person who says to himself “I’d like to make a million dollars” probably won’t do it because its a lot of hard work, and gets bored/tired after the first $500k lets him live comfortably. The guy with the superdrive to make that first million probably won’t stop there. And it’s not necessarily about money- you can only collect so many vintage sports cars and Rembrandts. Money is just the way our society keeps score- and there are also measurements besided $$$. KW wouldn’t have to take IU to the BCS championship to get big offers- given IU’s history and reputation, the Big Ten title game would probably be enough. He might leave not for the $$$, but for the chance to win the big one.

  32. Chet, I hope the coaches of the so called none-revenue sports are as successful as the football and basketball coaches. The greatest swimming coach in history, Doc Counsilman who coached literally dozens of Olympic and World champions as well as developed the single most successful program in the history of that sport accomplished all of those goals in Bloomington. Head diving coach Hobie Billingsley (they are considered separate sports) was also coniosdered by many experts the best diving coach in the world and he retired at IU.

    Likewise, Jerry Yeagley not only won something like 7 national championships. But more important, Coach Yeagley was one of the 2-3 individuals who made soccer a major college sport and, alomst single-handedly- led the growing U.S. passion for the world’s far and away most popular sport. And, it all began and happened at I.U. Now, more than 70-80,000 fill Giant Stadium in New York (actually New Jersey) and in the L.A. Coliseum on a regular basis.
    The three, coaches Yeagley and Counsilman and Billingsley settled in Bloomington, brought honor to the town and IU -(I can still remember Coach Yeagley riding his bike around campus)-, settled and retired there.

    And, Todd Yeagley, Jerry’s son, and is now the head coach leading the Hoosier return to ‘best in the country’. Hopefully, he’ll retire here too. And, will see the day when soccer will rival football and basketball in the stands and the accounting books.

    Not to mention, the feeling that when you find the Walter Bellamys, Charlie Hickox, Mark Spits’, Armando Betancourt, Anthony Thompsons, Angelo DiBernardos, Cynthia Potters, the Van Arsdale twins, Quinn Buckners…ad infinitum walking on campus or the town.

    Heck Chet, don’t you wish you had chosen Bloomington rather than the mountains of North Carolina to ride your Triumph motorcycle? People would turn their head and say…”there goes Chet…, he retired here…he’s a Hoosier!

  33. Tsao, I admit I am suspicious of his character off the field but I need you to trust me when I say I do not dislike him…I love him as a coach and that is all that really matters I guess. One thing I have learned is talking to people on a weekly basis that interact with players and coaches and Wilson is a curse..living in B town is a curse for this blog because when I know I have fact base knowledge and I cannot come right out and say it 90% of the time I have to say “I heard this or that”…I can’t give sources and damn sure cannot say stuff I have heard or I might get in trouble! Good ex, I know exactly why K Lewis was kicked off the team but I could never come out and say what happened and I heard it from a prof and someone in the AD dept and 2 of the players at the time. Everything you wrote was fair. Have a great weekend all and GO WILSON and IU!!!

  34. Don’t forget my old coach, Doug Blubaugh, who was named the ‘World’s Outstanding Wrestler’ in the 1960 Olympics. I believe he died in, of all things, a motorcycle accident at the age of 76.
    The man wore the thickest glasses I have ever seen.

  35. I talk to Roy Williams from time to time and he never gives me $**t on the Tar Heels. Really, really nice guy, though.

  36. DD, there are huge jumps in logic in your arguments and a presumption of limitations at IU that is false and somewhat demeaning.

    Your words:”If Kevin Wilson does in fact get a bigger job that leads him out of Bloomington, and he takes it simply because it is a bigger job…” I assume if Coach Wilson does what I think he can do there may not be a ‘bigger job’ or at least one that he would have built and leads into a ‘big job’. In other words, ‘the dream he is chasing’, to use your phrase.

    There’s obviously a lack of belief in your part that Indiana can be ‘as big’ as a Texas or an Oklahoma in football. Or as you state it, “…I don’t think he’d be able to pass up the idea of just being the coach of a big-time powerhouse…” That’s your opinion and you are entitled to have it.

    That’s the difference between my thought and yours. I don’t think there’s necessarily a contradiction between KW’s ‘chasing the dream’,… building a powerhouse…and doing so at Indiana. I think Coach Wilson can do both here, just like Bob Knight did (under very similar circumstances).

    Would I consider it a betrayal if an offer came along and KW left. It would depend on the circumstances at that time. But honestly, there is something about Coach Wilson that tells me his insides are wired differently than the type of coaches you describe.

    I think it is the same thing that is wired differently in the firemen who go inside a building knowing it could come down on them; or inside the men and women who risk so much in Iraq and Afghanistan (think about the kid from Spencer who was killed in Afghanistan last week). Is the analogy fair. I think it is because it is something internal in people who take on challenges.

    No, I don’t think there’s the guys in the white hats and the guys in the black hats. There is a difference between those who risk to do something important, who look to do the harder good, and those who spend the day contemplating on the meaning of their belly-button. It’s the difference between those who are willing to accept risk and those who want the safer bet.

    DD, especially in the age of the internet, there’s nothing that can be done at Sports Illustrated that can not be done at the HT. Bob Hammel became a national legend writing about IU sports sitting a couple of feet from where you are reading this.

    As for the impression I have as to your ‘feelings’ about KW, you may be right. That’s the impression I get reading your stories.

  37. BTW, I love Bloomington and southern Indiana and I’ve probably ridden every road there is to ride south of Lafalot. They are great. Western North Carolina is the best, though.
    My wife just bought a black Bonneville. I might like it better than my own.

  38. Yeah…I spent some time there and it was really impressive. I particularly remember some of the county roads…one, in particular, that were between two sets of mountains and created a mini-climate that changed the vegetation and flowers completely. I understand that the temperature could be in the teens in one area, with six inches of snow and in the mid 50’s in this particular mini-climate. I also remember a small inn that had no TV, no radio, no anything except a fireplace and lots of books you could sit and read very quietly. It was booked weeks ahead.

  39. People’s ambitions change as circumstances in their lives change. I’m pretty comfortable saying that at this time, KW is 100% focused on trying to win Saturday’s game. Three or four years down the road, if he has been successful turning IU into a competitive program, he’ll start to get offers. My guess is that money will be an issue. I say that because he knows that at his current salary, his salary is not where he knows it’s capable of being He very well could use other offers to leverage IU for more money and elect to stay after they match the other offers Beyond that, if he continues to be successful, but for whatever reason, does not feel he can “get to the top of the mountain,” however he defines that (money, National Championship, etc) coaching IU, he might leave for a school that he believes gives him that opportunity.

    In order for him to be successful, a man like KW must have a healthy ego. He must be extremely competitive, and he must have a burning desire to win. As for the ego, if he’s successful at IU and making the school a lot of cash, he’s going to want his compensation to be elevated into the top half of Big Ten coaches. That’s not greedy, that’s just a matter of principle. If IU is winning 7 or 8 games a year and going to bowl games, but can’t get over the hump to win Big Ten Championships, regardless of the money, his competitiveness may make him want to go to a place that he believes gives him a legitimate chance to win the BCS Championship.

    But remember, as head coaches go,he’s not a real young man. And he has a big family. What’s in his family’s best interest? In four or five years, when he’s in his fifties, will he want to disrupt his family’s life and move some place for more money and the potential to win big? The older most people get, the less inclined they are to relocate, because their circumstances have changed.

    Let’s hope he retires at IU in about 15 years.

  40. I mostly agree with what you, Podunker. The issue of ego is an interesting one because on the one hand you have to have a healthy belief in yourself and your ideas; on the other hand, you can not be a Pete Carroll or a Tressel because nothing betrays you faster than an ego.

    I agree with you…time and family have a way of making us find a balance.

  41. Chet, yeah…I remember Doug Blubaugh, a great guy. And, I just saw a reference to Howard Brown, the freshman coach under several head coaches, Charlie Mc Daniels, Bob Dro, Peggy Dickens, Marge Counsilman….holy smokes…what people!! Ohhh, and the former head trainer with the limp…ahhhh….ahhhh…Spike Dixon!!!!!Jeez, I need the Kleenex now…

    Cynthia Potter was the single, most gorgeous woman I ever saw…I ran into her in LA once and had to go buy an asthma aspirator…I start stuttering just thinking of her….

  42. Tsao,
    This, again, is where I ask you to come back to Earth.
    I’m enjoying my working relationship with Wilson more and more. There were some things that bothered me early, and I’ll always want every coach to be more accessible, but I think he’s improved even since the spring in that regard. I studied him intensely for the feature piece, and I found out a lot about him that I think is positive.
    I’m just here to tell you that he very much walks among the mortals. He’s not wired like people who walk into burning buidlings or like people who fight in wars. Because if he was, he would’ve been a firefighter or a solider. He coaches football. He didn’t take the Indiana job because he felt a calling to be some benevolent builder of programs or because it was the noble thing to do. He took it because he wanted to be a head coach and that was the program that wanted to hire him. If the Ohio State job had been open at the same time and Ohio State called him, he would’ve taken that job.
    Kevin Wilson’s a decent guy and a good football coach and he works really hard at his job. That’s all he portends to be. Keep trying to turn him into a folk hero and you’re going to be disappointed.

  43. I don’t think I need to come down to Earth. I do think a closer reading of what I actually said would help you immeasurably. I took some offense at your dismissing any possibility of IU being a top level program at some point. Just as I readily accept that IU has to work very hard to return to the top level basketball program that it was 10+ years ago.

    I stated, clearly, that I thought Wilson is a person who generally functions beyond merely monetary gain or recognition (art for art’s sake; the challenge; or Duty, Honor, Country) are important motivations to some but, in your case, you appear to dismiss it as silliness. I strongly disagree.

    Even, while I can accept our disagreement as just part of exchanging views, the dismissive nature of your first sentence in this email is a bit too much of a tut-tut, finger-wagging and pretty disrespectful. Nevertheless, I stand on that opinion.

  44. I think anyone who compares Sports Illustrated to HT does indeed need to come down to earth. (Both can have high quality, but the scope of what you can do at each place is quite different) I agree with DD, I like Coach Wilson a lot, but it’s too soon to make him a folk hero. How about a win this weekend and we go from there?

  45. I think elevating ANY coach to a cult status is a mistake. We had one of the most notable here and, my goodness, that was a mixed bag. You hope that they are good people because they are, at the core, teachers. Frankly, in terms of honor, duty, and self sacrifice, I’d say your average 3rd grade teacher is a better example. Teach the young men how to play football, win more games than you lose (hopefully a lot) and don’t be a creep and you have my undying respect.

  46. Tsao,
    I don’t dismiss those as silliness at all. I dismiss the idea of talking about a lifelong football coach in those terms. Taking on a challenge of running a historically bad football program and running into a burning building to save people are not by any means the same thing. Especially when you get paid $1.25 million a year to do the former. You can sing as many hosannas as you want to about actual soldiers and firefighters and other first responders and I’ll never once ask you to tone it down because they deserve it. You didn’t see me telling you to tone it down when you were talking about Kevin Bush and you never would because I know quite well what he went through and no compliment you could give him would be over the top. I consider those people in a category of their own and the rest of us are all looking up at them. We owe them everything every single day.
    What I’m telling you is Kevin Wilson is one of the rest of us. Good guy. Good football coach. But he’s been a football coach his entire life. It’s not like he ever even seriously considered the military, or police work, or spending his life in Kenya trying to fight AIDS in Africa. Speaking about him in comparable terms with the real heroes of this country and this world isn’t fair to him and it especially isn’t fair to them.

  47. I’ll apologize for the come back to Earth line. That was finger-wagging, and I was out of line. I just mean let’s bring it back to context. As far as I’m concerned, if you use a kid who died in Afghanistan to make a point about Kevin Wilson, you’ve taken the argument out of context.

  48. Dustin…again, I’ll repeat and will continue to repeat what I stated in my original blog on the subject, it is totally misrepresented in your admonition/sermon.

    Coach Wilson’s character and personality was being discussed in a series of blogs, and one, ‘Davis'(#20 had specifically asked about whether I thought was the likelihood that Coach Wilson’s stop in Bloomington was transitory (as had some others)or did I think he would see his challenge through and, possibly, end up retiring here.

    I answered that several (not one, not two…several) things I had read about Wilson’s character led me to believe that, if he was successful I believed it could be likely that our search of a strong leader for our football program was over and that I did not feel particularly threatened by the possibility of another offer seducing him away from us. Why, because of what I considered the ‘nature’ of Kevin Wilson.

    Several posts, including yours (#27) disagreed, and put forth that, “…I think if he gets a big offer, he takes it…” Then you discussed your view of ‘loyalty/disloyalty] and gave your own situation as an example. Most of your examples were based on the monetary remuneration and your view of the relative importance of the football programs involved. I was OK with your having that opinion but had another view of Kevin Wilson’s constitution.

    I expressed so, unequivocally for those who bother to read what the comment actually said. I stated that, in my opinion, KW’s character makeup was different than most. I stated my belief that individuals similar to him are not likely to be swayed largely by money or fame; and, I postulated that I thought it was likely, that if all goes well, IU is successful and we (IU) treat him and his assistants respectfully, he was likely to remain here, partly out of loyalty and partly over the challenge, his family and their comfort, his (likely) sense of obligation and the very nature of the attraction of the local/university community has on people.

    And, I explained my belief that there are individuals out there who are not motivated by money, are bound by a sense of honor and duty …using the obvious example of service members who view duty and honor as a fundamental part of their lives. I felt that the very things I like about KW’s character, what I sense are his ‘innards’, are similar and remind me that there are individuals like our heroes, like Pfc. Wood from Jasper, who believe the family, the community, the country, the team, the purpose, the commitment, the common bond are stronger motivations for action and worth sacrificing for.

    Obviously, there are different contexts where we see this. You chose to manipulate the statement it and argue I was making a false comparison to Pfc. Wood’s noble sacrifice. It was your attempt to link and interpret my comment as disrespect that really flaunts contempt. I, and the rest of my family have lived- for twenty-one years with the sacrifices, the separations, the fears, the cancelled leaves, the tragedy of losing friends and brothers-in-arms; and, with the pride and the honor of our own’s service. So we don’t confuse the issues, we know better. We cry for Pfc’ Woods family and for his family.

    And, because of it, we are sensitive to the character that drives people like Wilson as well who we think are the mentors, teachers and coaches who pass on the values that would displace ‘a better (financial) offer’ or a ‘more (immediately) prestigious situation’ to a secondary dimension. I don’t expect you to understand it at all.

    In the mean time, I hope you do take the time to read slowly and understand exactly what was said in the original posts and is being said now, giving proper and fair interpretation of another’s statement. That’s a critical skill for a journalist. A history professor once insisted that I take a speed reading class. I did so and, at the end, I was able to read Tolstoy’s “War and Peace” (1300 or so pages) in twenty minutes. It’s about Russia.

  49. Tsao,
    I know you don’t believe me, but I did get all of that.
    Let me apologize for all that you may have considered offensive. My family doesn’t have as big of a service record as yours, but I’ve got friends and family who have been solidiers too. I just get sensitive when I think we’re pulling those people into conversations that they exist on a level above.
    Here’s my point. I know the guy pretty well. I think if you put him in the strata you’re putting him in, you’re going to end up holding him to a standard that isn’t fair. If he does stay at Indiana long term, I won’t say he’s stupid for doing it. But if he leaves, I don’t think it means he doesn’t have character or that he isn’t loyal. If you’re looking for a good coach and a decent but very human man, I think you’ll be satisfied. If you’re looking for a folk hero, I think you’re going to be disappointed.

  50. DD…I agree with almost your entire point about what one could interpret if at some point KW chose to leave. I think it is a bit early for exit interviews.

    I truly believe he seems like the man fit for the job, I believe he is more likely to get it done than nearly every other person (for instance, Hoke) considered. I think he’ll have success, but I know that the success, especially where we have been since Mallory, is not a given nor will it be easy. Even so, I’m comfortable with everything I’ve seen so far.

    And (a big and), consider, as a friend of mine who retired from coaching from the NY Giants used to say…’the other guys play too’.

    I also hope and think KW will stay. He seems the type of person who does not take commitments lightly. His value system appears to be what I wanted my son surrounded and/or lead by.

    And, I absolutely consider that he ‘could’ leave, and doing so, under most circumstances, would absolutely not be a comment on his character or his loyalty. On this we do not disagree at all, not an iota.

    I do not think I’ve raised him to any stature other than what he appears to be…a strong, serious, middle aged man, a man of integrity, with a good vision, an analytical mind and creative talents. And determination and drive. I could see nothing that I wrote (in fact, I think you know I tend to be much more of a ‘show me, don’t tell me’ than a ‘pollyanish goo-goo’ likely to raise him to anything other than what he has shown to be thus far. (If somehow I gave that impression, let me know and I’ll send some harsh curse words and curses we can include in a later post).

    I won’t accept you apology, I prefer to accept your clarification. Too uncomfortable to accept apologies, sometimes clearing throats and moving on is better.

  51. I hope this doesn’t offend anyone but, speaking as a veteran from a large ‘military family’ (everyone but Mom served, girls and boys alike) please resist from hoisting us all up on pedestals. We served, sometimes we sacrificed, but, for most of us, we did what we wanted to do and what we thought was best for us at the time.
    Most of the heroes didn’t make it home but the rest of us are just like everybody else and don’t really want any special recognition. It’s a long way down from those pedestals.
    Thanks.

  52. Dustin, I don’t know why you keep apologizing while TTG keeps being offensive and condescending to you. No need to apologize, you’re allowed to express your opinion too, without someone biting your head off and holding you to a different set of rules.

    TTG, you won’t even accept an apology that you didn’t deserve in the first place. Really? Get off your high horse and read your own ramblings (set aside plenty of time) — you will see how offensive and abrasive you are toward Dustin. I think you should apologize to him and show our host a little respect.

    Geez man, this is just a blog for IU fans. Take a chill pill. Dustin, keep expressing your opinions like the rest of us, I’m always interested in your commentary.

  53. ^Hallelujah to John from Beyond!

    Dustin-

    I am likely double your age and my dad still calls me a “spring chicken.” He was a military man in WWII and the complete opposite the main bag of pipes on here you have generously given your patience. Entitlement to an opinion does not need to be a quest to destroy and belittle someone else with a different look at the world. Do not be discouraged and be thankful you are not hardwired and unresistant to change. You have so much time ahead of you it makes me sick. You have strong talent. I could see you in a sports job where you’re in front of a camera..You are engaging and interesting to listen to. Keep your passion in it and make us proud. Just because you may someday leave Bloomington and the covering of IU sports, I hope it’s the goodhearted fans that rather be heard from humble seat high in the stands you’ll remember and cherish as Hoosiers. I’m not that guy.

  54. Mike P, I tend to agree. But as I stated it is thought provoking and especially so after hearing what has obviously gone on behind the scenes in the ACC with Cuse and Pitt supporting the landscape fluidity. I have to believe Delaney has many contingencies available for optional actions. We may not have to wait long.

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