Zeller best prospect returning to school

Jeff Goodman and Gary Parrish of collaborated to write a piece analyzing the fallout of the decisions of underclassmen to leave early for the NBA and to stay. Goodman and Parrish both said that Indiana freshman forward Cody Zeller is the best pro prospect who decided to return to school and that Indiana was the team most aided by their underclassmen’s decision to stay.

Goodman also made me angry at myself for never using the word “enigmatic” to describe Christian Watford, because that one’s just obvious.


  1. Chet, part of the regular team of blogging racist on Scoop, recently used “enigma” to describe Mo Creek. I actually think he thought it was the ugly word.

    Tuesday, April 10, 2012 – 11:01 PM EDT

    Such an enigma, isn’t he? I don’t recall anything of the likes of the Mo situation. All world…then boom. Coming back, but still looking like a guy coming back and then…boom.

    He could be all Big Ten…or he could be a shadow of himself.

    Who knows?

    I respect the heck out of everyone connected to the situation. I can’t imagine it being handled any better.

  2. Enigmas are a mystery to me.

    How do you keep track of old posts? I can’t find stuff that was posted yesterday.

  3. Would you believe I just have a very good memory?

    I have a story of faith…

    Faith is never in words.
    No symbols required or audience an ear when its most potent force its unheard voice strongest and clear. Faith resides in deeds.
    It flows like river from no mountain I’ve seen.
    Faith doesn’t make a home inside you when it decides to shake you from this dream.
    Faith projects. It moves through you.
    It moves through others.
    I witnessed a glimpse so pure it gave me no answers yet moved me, somehow, out the shadows of doubt.
    I wasn’t searching for it when the river found my bed and
    flushed its way out through my bones and passed through blood that feeds my chest.
    Just a taste. Teased me with its everlasting.
    Vanished in a moment as it moved through the stone walls effortlessly penetrating my bitter heart.
    So short and so precise it was delivered to my empty vessel. Unexpected. Uninvited. Unaware. Unseen.
    I did not call for it upon this day. There was no thirst this desert.
    I did not call from knees as it splashed its rains upon my face. It made me its river in the most unexpected place.
    Rivers where none should flow. Tears where none should grow. It gave me this moment to put on its show.
    It woke me while sitting in health a perfectly lifeless chair.
    I was not asleep.
    There is a hope beyond the eyes, this restless place, I felt its waters move to keep.

  4. Ummm, did the entire article with the “racism” thread of comments get erased? How is Harvard going to copy and paste quotes?

  5. Interesting… I always go straight to the Men’s Basketball link and for some reason it isn’t in there.


  6. Hey, it’s not the poetry of the written word but yesterday was my 27th wedding anniversary. We spent the whole day riding our KLRs on forest service roads through the mountains. Her idea.

    I must have done something pretty good in a previous life.

  7. Chet – just spent a week riding in NC. What a great place you live in.

    Ram – V-Star. Everybody has a harley anymore.

    Gas station in Georgia month ago ran into a neighbor of CZ in Washington. His grandson on team with CZ as senior and was proud to have scored the last 3 points in the state championship game.

    Anyone going to the IU awards thing’ie on Thursday? Be nice to see these guys up close.

  8. I have the KLR and a Triumph. I wanted a motorcycle, not an invitation to a costume party. I’ve owned all kinds of bikes including a Harley. Once. It’s about the riding to me, not the wardrobe.

    Ron, glad you had a great time. It seems like everyone in Florida vacations here.

  9. Wardrobe? I recently did the Spring Thaw in Tennessee.Sold plenty of Harley and Indian memorabilia. No one asked me for any Kawasaki stuff. I wouldn’t call what the Outlaws were wearing “costumes”. You can if you want Chet.

  10. Silly me thought this was a basketball blog…..can you lovebirds take your discussion to your emails and leave this blog for discussion regarding the articles please?

  11. Lewis!!!…basketball was over 3-4 weeks ago. In the off-season we bloggers here focus on motorcycles, poetry, cooking techniques….come back after October 15, we’d love to hear from you.

    Now, for that yummy paella recipe….do we liquify the saffron or just drop it in powder form?

  12. No kidding, Lewis.

    The bedwetters keep crying how “I” ruin this place when they’ve done nothing but turn it into a place where they swap stories about their knitting and quilting.

    And TT, Peegs sure does have basketball talk before October. There is recruiting. AAU games. The fact we have an over-sign.

  13. RAM, that’s exactly my point. You’re selling t-shirts to sheep. Get in line. Let’s get 50 cloned motorcycles in a line and all ride to the same place wearing the same clothes.

    I’d rather walk.

    Haynes makes shop manuals. For the Honda VFR the have 8 editions. They have to because the motorcycle is continually improved.

    For the Harley they publish the same one edition that they put out in 1972.

    What kind of idiot would buy an obsolete bike like that? Obviously, lots of folks. It’s the most common bike on the road. It’s the baloney on white bread of motorcycles.


    Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone are Harley guys. Steve McQueen rode only Triumphs.

    South Park had it nailed.

  14. Why would someone ever consider a ridiculous identical outfits as costumes?

    As many of my friends are current or former SEALs I’m not too impressed with ‘Outlaws’. I used to pay one to cut my grass.

  15. TTG, have you ever made your own sushi? I saw some sockeye at the market that looked like the stuff I was eating in British Columbia last summer.

    Seems a waste to cook it.

    I’m thinking about giving it a try.

  16. CHET, don’t sell t-shirts. Sorry, but I could maybe find you a cute little Kawasaki jumpsuit for your Sunday rides.Buy American made products, Make your Seal friends proud. Somebody has to cut your grass ,can’t get those penny loafers dirty.

  17. Kawasaki makes most of their American market bikes in Lincoln, Nebraska. Harley outsources most of their parts to Korea and Taiwan. Look it up.

    I come from a military family. I doubt you would understand.

  18. When your costume wearing little ‘outlaws’ top seven figures in miles and four continents send their coupon books in and I’ll stamp them.

    Otherwise they should hold hands at the Rooster or Dew Drop Inn or whatever the wannabe bar is in your little hamlet while those of us that have ridden for 40 years (and actually have served) will look at them and a give a little laugh.

  19. Chet…Alwats wanted to but still haven’t really gotten the hand of wrapping the rice, etc. You’re absolutely right about ‘wannabes”, besides I’d always wondered whether it is real leather or the fake plastic leather.

  20. Chet,Kawasaki is no more an American company than Honda or Toyota.Harley Davidson is.As for “My outlaws” (which they are not)most of the 1% ers I have had contact with ARE EX MILITARY. YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT.Some one who has ridden for 40 years would know that.Do you have your own parking space for your little “Kaw” there on campus?

  21. RAM- “As for “My outlaws” …most of the 1% ers I have had contact with ARE EX MILITARY.” Since you are an American, it would help if you wrote in English. (If you have something of some -any- value to say).

    Chet- This one no doubt shares the gene pool with Laffy. My advice, just pass on it.

  22. TSAO Put up THE WHOLE SENTENCE NOT JUST PART OF IT.Do you claim any of you nonsense has value? If so you are mistaken.Why don’t you and your “big time journalist” buddy go make out somewhere.

  23. Just a final thought. I first mentioned bikes because I was riding off road on the KLR. That’s something your friends in Village People outfits just can’t do on their Harleys. No matter how much they might want to.

  24. OK, maybe this is the final note.

    As far as an “American company’. I don’t give a rat’s hind end which multinational corporation takes credit. What I do care about is that the guy or gal on the assembly line is an American, keeping their paycheck right here.

    A friend recently bought a Chevy Cruze thinking it was an American car. It’s not. I believe it was made in Mexico. The last car I bought has the Japanese name for the Pleiades constellation on it. It was made by American hands in Lafayette, Indiana.

    Unfortunately, there just aren’t any quality street motorcycles made in the US. Well, Victory Motorcycles are OK if you’re into piggish V-twins.

    You gotta love HDs marketing though. I think my favorite is the persistent oil leak that they marketed as an ‘automatic chain oiler’. That’s pretty great.

  25. Damn Chet, you can play pretty rough when it comes to motorcycles. I must admit I know damn little about motorcycles and had no idea what KLR was when you mentioned it till I got a hint in a post above. All I know about them is they have 2 wheels and it is impossible to make love in the backseat. As a young man I always thought those deficiencies led to a shorter life. I was wrong but I made lots of mistakes back then.

  26. HC, you can’t possibly imagine how tiresome it is when you’re constantly approached by toothless half wits asking, “Why dinja git a Harley?”

    Half the time they ride away on their DUI mandated scooter.

  27. Chet,

    You might want to see this . . .
    . . .Where is the Chevrolet Cruze made?

    The U.S. version, which should start arriving at dealerships soon, is built at the Lordstown, Ohio, plant that previously built the Chevrolet Cobalt.


    You may want recheck your position on Harley Davidson. You are correct about Kawasaki but really wrong concerning H-D

  28. Correction, is now built in Lordstown. Originally was built by Suzuki, from 2002 to 2008. It’s an interesting story really, I enjoyed reading it.

  29. JG, that’s great to hear about the Cruze. You are correct but they also build them in South Korea, Russia, China, India, Vietnam, Kazakhstan, Thailand, Brazil, and Venezuela.

    It’s hard to imagine they sell enough cars to have that many production facilities. I suppose it speaks to the high cost of exporting automobiles.

    I recently read where Honda is massively increasing their US production facilities because it is no longer profitable for them to manufacture in Asia and transport to the US. The same is expected of other Asian manufacturers.

    I see that as a good thing. The US desperately needs to rebuild its manufacturing base.

    I wish they would impose huge tariffs on imports, as we once had. There was a time when tariffs funded the entire government.

    I’m not sure what you mean about the Harley. Much of my dislike has to do with the commonality of them (they make up 52% of US sales and they only make piggish V-twins that, to me, all look alike) and the sheep-like mindset of the owners.

    It’s just not a motorcycle I like. If I wanted to pull a trailer behind me down the Interstate a Harley might be just the ticket but they are a sorry sight to see trying to navigate the twisties in the mountains.

    …and it’s not a ‘club’ I want to be a part of.

    I’m always open to reassessing my positions on most things. What was I wrong about?

  30. Chet-

    Making sushi is fun. I’ve done it a couple of times and you can plan an entire evening around it. Spend 20 bucks or so and buy The Complete Book of Sushi on Amazon; its loaded with good pictures and explains the technique very well. Make sure you also spend a few bucks on the right cutlery/plate ware: there is no point to eating sushi with a fork off of a dinner plate.

    Also, make sure to have plenty of Sapporo on hand.

  31. Oh, you should give it a go. I held out for a long time and it was my loss. I’ve gotten to where I hate to cook a piece of sockeye salmon because I know how good it tastes in sushi or sashimi. I got spoiled up in British Columbia, though. I don’t think I’ll ever taste salmon that good anywhere else.

    I rarely use a fork but I’m as likely to use my fingers as chopsticks.

  32. Chet- The best salmon (or at least the most highly-prized) in the world is the Copper River salmon from Alaska. It is all the rage in the Northwest and beyond whenever it comes out once a year.

    By the way you don’t have to spell out “British Columbia” every time; just say B.C.

  33. H-D is made in the US, just like your Kawasaki example. H-D has 4 manufacturing facilities in the US. Cast parts are sourced outside the US. This isn’t restricted to motorcyles. The US has problems competing with China, India, South Korea and others.

    1. We have environmental regulations that do not exist in the competing nations.
    2. Our labor rate is much higher than China and South Korea, not always India.
    3. We basically pay the samefor raw materials but we are so far behind in the other areas.

    You said that H-D is not made in the US. That’s not true.

    Do you think that every part, even the majority, of parts in your auto that you own was made in the US? I have been in that Subaru plant, as well as Kawasaki, H-D, Ford and others, it is simply not true. “Out sourcing” is not new, you are just a little behind the learning curve.

    American Made is not always true. It’s not fair to say the H-D is not made in the US and say the Subaru or Kawasaki are made in the US.

  34. Chet,

    May have to follow your lead as I am adventurous. I know I sucked a bunch of heads from BBQ craw fish boiled up by some Bayou friends in Bossier City Louuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuusiana. Don’t wear white at a deal like that.

  35. Jay, you must have misunderstood or I expressed myself poorly. I understand the HD manufactures their bikes in the US (and I praise them for that). I believe, last time I checked, that about half the parts originate in the US, which is more than my dual sport. I hope for their continued successful employment of many, many people. I’m just not interested in being a customer. There are plenty of folks who are. It’s the peanut butter and jelly sandwich of motorcycles.

    Yes, I understand about the outsourcing of parts. The engine in my car came from Japan. The car was assembled in Indiana. I’ll take small victories like that. Some Hoosiers got a paycheck out of it (and it’s a great car).

    Freeze, I noticed that wherever I bought salmon out in BC I saw the name Copper River. On a basketball (mostly) blog BC usually means Boston College, but you’re right, of course.

    HC, I love me some crawfish. Got some in the freezer.

  36. I went back and read my posts. You must have thought when I said “there just aren’t any quality street motorcycles made in the US. Well, Victory Motorcycles are OK if you’re into piggish V-twins” that I meant HDs weren’t made here.

    That’s not what I meant.

    I meant their technology is woefully behind. Really, really antiquated machines. They do provide tons of variations on the same basic bike, though.

  37. Kawasaki makes most of their American market bikes in Lincoln, Nebraska. Harley outsources most of their parts to Korea and Taiwan. Look it up.

    What did I misnderstand? The above was your post.

  38. A little motorcycle trivia, in the classic motorcycle move ‘The Wild On’, which inspired many aimless youth to be ‘outlaw bikers’ all the characters, save one, were riding Triumphs.

    In fact, recently Marlon Brando’s heirs stopped HD from using the Brando name on a clothing line. Only Triumph can use the name.

    Another piece of trivia, HD makes more in clothing sales than motorcycle sales, which really isn’t surprising. I don’t know that I’ve ever seen anyone on a Harley without the matching clothing, boots, and purse.

  39. This blog has got to be the determinant proof of American Exceptionalism. Where else can we drift from Big Handsome, to the Candystripes, toColumbia River sockeye salmon sushi, to Harley vs Kawasaki, the future of the US manufacturing sector and macroeconomic growth and development theory and whether a high school senior point guard named Yogi will have an impact on ….post collapse macroeconomic theory.

    I just love America! Go Hoosiers!!

  40. Tsao- Wow, I have no idea how you tied all this into “America the Great.” I’d be willing to bet that Canadians, Brits, Japanese, Spanish, Mexicans, Indians, Aussies and more are all capable of talking about good food, domestic manufacturing, economic theory, and young sports prospects over the course of a conversation.

    The only difference between us and them: I doubt any of them attribute their supposed wisdom to the greatness of their country, like you just did.

    I think you’ve correctly identified American Exceptionalism, alright: self-congratulatory pompousness!!!

  41. America, by its melting pot origins, has done some exceptional things. I think the diversity of the populous has had a lot to do with that. IMHO our diversity is probably the most exceptional thing about our grand land. It is unmatched by any other country, at least on a massive scale.

    Unfortunately, I think the concept of American Exceptionalism is merely an idea put forth to justify actions that would be unacceptable if anyone besides America were to do it (i.e. the Soviets were terrible when they occupied Afghanistan but we are just helping the Afghan people when we do it).

    Because we are exceptional.

  42. Freeze, Chet… Freeze: None of the countries you mentioned are worth including in a conversation when it comes to basketball. Perhaps the Spanish (from Spain) more than the others you mentioned but still no where near exceptional in basketball so your comment does not link with the rest of the comment. Chet: another factor about America that has always really puzzled me is this sense of guilt that emerges from the more liberal sectors about this country’s success and, yes, exceptionalism.

    American Exceptionalism (as I understand it) is simply an ideological/philosophical construct that motored this Nation development and energized the great projects that emerged from her. Sort of like when coaches or experts talk about wanting a team or an individual to develop a “swagger.” In other words, the idea that we are special. Take it from me and I have truly seen comparisons, we are.

    And, since I am the only one of the three (Freeze, Chet and me) who came here as an immigrant, was generally welcomed with open arms, was given every opportunity to succeed, watched my old man tear up in gratitude for things we never would have been able to accomplish before he decided the only chance in life we had was in America; saw survivors of a family literally let loose from concentration camps in Europe, and once here witnessed this country slowly but surely examine itself regarding the true meaning of equality, opportunity, gradually identified contradictions, make inclusion of all a real objective however incomplete it still is (perhaps we have the responsibility of still earning our exceptionalism)…all of those things that make America a truly exceptional place for me to watch my kids and their kids develop their own lives… if you don’t mind, I’ll keep my sense of American Exceptionalism and enjoy it in the freedom that I believe is achievable here and consider it part of the debt we still owe this country..

    And, as I said, I’ll continue to remain somewhat puzzled and a little amused at this quaint and somewhat destructive sense of self-loathing that seems to pursue Americans when most of the rest of the world would jump at the chance of sharing the very exceptional society we (I can now proudly say ‘we’) experienced.

    (Maybe I should have stayed with Hoosier Exceptionalism when it comes to basketball).

  43. Tsao-

    What a delusional fairy tale. The only part of your Fox fairy tale I like is when you suggest that “perhaps” we still have the responsibility of earning our exceptionalism; that’s about the closest you get towards acknowledging that we might – might, I have to think more about how we act in the world today and the consequences of our policies.

    Just curious, amongst the loads and loads of America’s missteps that I’m sure you choose to ignore, do you also turn a blind eye to America’s role in your own backyard from where you immigrated – you know, the decades of democratically elected leaders in Latin America whose removals were planned and financed by the CIA in the name of a communist threat? I know that nowadays down in Argentina, even amongst the more conservative element, America is not very popular. People are just fine with their way of life and don’t envy our “freedom” like you and Sarah Palin imagine.

    Finally, what you see as “quaint self loathing,” I, as well as a good 50 percent of our country and most of the rest of the world, call “objectivity.”

  44. Freeze- Obviously your ideological agenda filters the little drips that still leak out as thought. And, I do make it a policy to never even attempt to argue with ignorance and bias.

    But we were talking about American society and American Exceptionalism as a reflection of the American people and the history of this great country. Too deep a subject for me to ever discuss with you.

    Now, be a goo’ boy’n go look at your Comandante Che Guevara poster and play the Madonna’s version of “Evita”,… lift your left fist in the air…Nooo!… I said the left fist and say…’Power to the Poop-poop.’

  45. The people who are “self-loathing” the most are Righties.

    They SCREAM and CRY and POUT about having to pay ANY taxes acting like everything they use is FREE and playing the “We’re sooooooooooooo PERSECUTED card.”

    Most of the world would be THRILLED to pay taxes to get the stuff we do.

    Is there fraud/waste/abuse?


    But Righties act like Hitler is at their door when asked to pay for schools.

  46. Laffy, your last post is foolish. I don’t know of anyone advocating paying zero taxes. I know lots of folks who are tired of being taxed too much with no spending restraint in evidence by the government.
    If you love paying taxes so much you can donate more of your income to the IRS. Want me to post the link to their site?

  47. In Nevada, there is zero income tax.

    Most of the taxes come from soaking the suckers…..err, tourists.

    Our schools and roads are literally falling apart.

    Yet every time someone mentions raising taxes, the Righties start SCREAMING how they are “taxed too much.”

    They need to grow up.

    Same with all the Righties who think war is free.

    For the FIRST TIME IN HISTORY, they actually CUT taxes in war time.


    And yet, they turn around and CRY about “passing debt to our grandkids.”

    If any Righty would say, “I think it is a DISGRACE that these wars were never paid for. I’m calling for a special tax NOW that goes to pay for the wars so future generations don’t have to. Every past generation made sacrifices during war time and WE WILL TOO”, I’d vote for that person in a HEARTBEAT.

    The VAST majority of Righties would CRUCIFY that person.

  48. This string jumped the rails about 40 posts ago. You guys must be bored to death.

    What, you’re not big into IU baseball?

  49. who?: I agree with you with your “tiredness of a lack of spending restraint” as long as it includes the $3.2 trillion in war spending which conservatives so often try to sweep under the rug when bashing the government.

  50. You are absolutely right Podunker; sorry…I’m one of those responsible. That’s really what I was trying to say in #47 (boy, are we bored!) when I got off into my ill-chosen humorous (or so I thought) tangent about what I think of as a quality of American Exceptionalism- that we can comment and/or argue about anything and do so without any expertise whatsoever.

    Very sorry.

  51. Chet, I know little about Sushi, other than I love it. While I really love to cook (especially Mediterranean cuisine; i.e. Spanish, Portuguese,Italian, Greek, Turkish, Lebanese and their influences on some South American versions (not so much French), I am intimidated by the Sushi process (isn’t it hard to balance one grain of rice on top of another before balancing the salmon?).

    I do enjoy your adventures, your ‘stories w. Mrs. Chet’, your fandom (don’t want to say fanaticism) for things Hoosier). Having traveled well over 1/3 of the world and lived in several, I became a greater and greater admirer of my contact and experience with Hoosiers…as pure a people as one can find.

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