NCAA hits Penn State with four-year bowl ban, scholarship reduction, $60M fine, win vacation

The NCAA announced Monday morning that it has levied major sanctions against Penn State for the cover-up of the Jerry Sandusky scandal. Penn State was hit with a four-year bowl ban, a reduction of the total number of scholarships available for football from 85 to 65 and a reduction of the number of new scholarships available for each year from 25 to 15. It also hit Penn State with a $60 million fine to be donated to child abuse charities and vacated all wins from 1998 to 2011.

The Big Ten has also weighed in with a censure, five years probation, a ban from the Big Ten conference championship game and the forfeiture of all bowl money. Its release follows.

We must begin first and foremost, by again expressing our great sorrow for all of those whose lives have been so grievously harmed by the series of failures at Penn State University, particularly the lives of the young victims and their families.

Since November 2011, when the underlying indictments were first announced, the Big Ten Conference Council of Presidents and Chancellors (COPC) committed to a prudent, thoughtful and patient review of the various investigative and adjudicatory processes associated with allegations at Penn State University involving Jerry Sandusky, Joe Paterno, Tim Curley, Gary Schultz and Graham Spanier. In December 2011, Big Ten legal counsel, along with NCAA counsel, engaged in the independent investigation undertaken by Louis Freeh and his law firm, Freeh, Sporkin, & Sullivan, LLP. At that time, the COPC reserved the right to impose sanctions, corrective or other disciplinary measures in this matter in the event that adverse findings were made in the areas of institutional control, ethical conduct and/or other Conference related matters. The COPC also directed the Conference, at that time, to initiate an immediate review of the fundamental issues and systems affecting intercollegiate athletics, including those related to institutional control.

Today, we have read the NCAA release on Penn State University. We note in the release, and have independently confirmed, that Penn State has accepted the factual findings in the July 12, 2012 Report of the Special Investigative Counsel prepared by Louis Freeh and his firm (the Freeh Report). Based on the findings, as accepted by Penn State, we fully support the actions taken by the NCAA. Further, following a thorough review of the Freeh Report, the COPC has voted to impose the following additional sanctions on Penn State, effective immediately:

1. Censure: The accepted findings support the conclusion that our colleagues at Penn State, individuals that we have known and with whom we have worked for many years, have egregiously failed on many levels–morally, ethically and potentially criminally. They have failed their great university, their faculty and staff, their students and alumni, their community and state–and they have failed their fellow member institutions in the Big Ten Conference. For these failures, committed at the highest level of the institution, we hereby condemn this conduct and officially censure Penn State.

2. Probation: The Big Ten Conference will be a party to the Athletic Integrity Agreement referenced in the NCAA release, and will work closely with the NCAA and Penn State to ensure complete compliance with its provisions over the 5 year term of the Agreement.

3. Ineligibility: As referenced in the NCAA release, Penn State’s football team will be ineligible for postseason bowl games. It will also be ineligible for Big Ten Conference Championship Games for four years, a period of time that runs concurrently with the NCAA postseason bowl ban imposed this morning.

4. Fine: Because Penn State will be ineligible for bowl games for the next four years, it will therefore be ineligible to receive its share of Big Ten Conference bowl revenues over those same four years. That money, estimated to be approximately $13 million, will be donated to established charitable organizations in Big Ten communities dedicated to the protection of children.

Penn State University is a great institution and has been a valued member of the Big Ten Conference for more than 20 years. Since early November 2011, it has been working very hard to right a terrible wrong. There is more to be done. The intent of the sanctions imposed today is not to destroy a great university, but rather to seek justice and constructively assist a member institution with its efforts to reform. From this day forward, as Penn State continues to make amends, the Big Ten conference and its member institutions will continue to engage with them in every aspect of conference membership.

As a result of the Conference review of issues and systems affecting intercollegiate athletics initiated in December 2011, we recognize that what occurred at Penn State University is a consequence of the concentration of power that can result from a successful athletic program and the failure of institutional leadership to maintain institutional control. We further recognize our own responsibility to insure, within the context of our own institutions, sufficient control and responsibility over our athletic programs. Our review has led to a document entitled Standards and Procedures for Safeguarding Institutional Control of Intercollegiate Athletics that is not yet final, but on schedule to be adopted by the COPC and implemented in the 2012/13 academic year under the auspices and oversight of the COPC.


  1. And what of all the ears that heard whispers of Sandusky’s despicable deeds while rubbing shoulders with Paterno and his employed molester? What of all the eyes that possibly witnessed his acts that still remain silent? How can you leave people gainfully employed and in positions of power at Penn State that may have had solid knowledge of the heinous crimes but did nothing?

    Without a complete clean slate and the erasing of anyone that shared the locker room during the years Paterno protected his child rapist(former players, coaches, recruiters, video coordinators, assistants, janitors, clergy), how will you ensure morally corrupt sickos with lips forever sealed shut are not still involved in the program?

    Can any penalty create anything close to that assurance? Could even a ten year ban from football put to rest any doubts those accessory to the crimes are not lurking about a Penn State locker room?

  2. I’m satisfied with the NCAA’s ruling. Millions of dollars going to B1G community not for profits is a very good thing. I just hope the Paterno family doesn’t issue another embarrassing press release.

  3. Penn State is not the institution it was perceived or purported to be when admitted to the Big Ten. They should be kicked out of the Big Ten.

  4. I was calling for the death penalty but I can live with this.

    I also wouldn’t mind if they were kicked out of the Big Ten.

  5. Looks like very serious and appropriate punishment, and I don’t think this is the last of it. Individuals are yet to receive NCAA punishments due to pending criminal investigations. Penn State may not recover from this for decades, if ever. This stain will endure for a long, long time.

    The “death penalty” was not really feasible and probably would have resulted in the NCAA being sued by Penn Sate and the State of Pennsylvania, which I’m sure would have cost the NCAA a lot of money. This is very serious punishment, yet it avoids a counter-attack by a wounded lion.

    Players will transfer, coaches will leave, attendance will be down, the school will be heckled and shamed at road games for years to come. It just makes you wonder how stupid were those men that decided to try to cover-up this crime? What were they thinking when they failed to notify the police and then allowed Sandusky to have access to their facilities so that he could continue to abuse children? Those morons destroyed the one thing they were so desperate to protect and were completely immoral.

  6. Podunker, great recap.
    It is all a tragedy, and sad.

    I didnt see any impact of TV coverage so I assume they will still be on national TV and the BTN. I do think the BTN will suffer, and so will the revenue share IU receives.

    IU has a few offers out to PSU commits; it seems late in the summer to get players off PSU team; lets keep an ear out for some players jumping off the PSU bandwagon.

  7. I don’t think you will see an exodus of players leaving PSU football over night, but a trickle will leave the program when they realize they will not be getting the TV exposure in Bowl games.

    PSU football is going to be a depressing program for a few years. I doubt that any coach can overcome what will be the negativity associated with the football program. Most of the current players, certainly the junior and seniors will stay and finish out their scholarship, but freshman, red shirted freshman, and some sophomores may feel the need to transfer. I think the most damaging aspect of this will be the difficulty PSU has in recruiting top talent going forward. No bowl games, no Big Ten Championships, less TV coverage, lower attendance at home games. The luster associated with PSU will be greatly diminished and quality players will easily find other schools for which to play for.

  8. In evaluating whether or not the penalties are appropriate, we should bear in mind that Penn State can and will recover. The children who were victimized by an individual whose employer failed to exercise even minimal responsibility are another matter. No sum of money can ever hope to assuage the damage to these kids. Penn State clearly had the wherewithal and the obligation to stop these atrocities and chose to apparantly do nothing.

  9. Not sure why IU would not send offers to entire Penn State team including coaching staff (yes O’Brien!) and set the team up with its first real top 5 competitive team in 15 years???

  10. As Paterno was concerned I looked at a man who slurred his speech when talking in public due to old age. I question not just in his case and not just as far as coaches go but when I think about people in their 70s and 80s how abilities and awareness deminish whether we want to admit it or not. I agree with ever how severe punishment Penn State gets except for the victories because it is history.

    People laughed and excused Paternal and if he told a stupid joke he was kind of perceived as a cartoon character and was excused due to his age and success in the past. Paternal was propped up so he could add to his win total. A head college football coach is a high level energy job and an old man is not fot for it. Old coaches, politicians, CEOs, Business people and etc. are more like KINGS but are taken care of by others. Mandatory retirement age @ around 70 should be required in these high level jobs. Paternal should have retired long ago. If he wanted to be a part of Penn State they could have let him be a towel boy, janitor, mascot, or just someone who could attend the games. Paterno could prop himself up or sometimes trot onto the football field but he required alot of care to be propped up. As a football coach he was really an old man whose time was expiring here on earth due to old age.

  11. If I’m not mistaken, in order to receive the ‘death penalty’ you have to already be serving some sort of penalty or probation at the time of the potential death penalty infraction, so it was never really an option.

    The real killer is the four year time frame. Any current recruit will know that they will never, ever go to a bowl or play for a championship, and due to those factors along with the scholarship limitation, probably never play on a decent team.

    I don’t really follow PSU recruiting but I believe I heard they had the #1 ranked (by someone) QB in the country coming in. I could be mistaken. The analysts universally thought he’d have to be nuts to show up in not-so-Happy Valley.

    I’m very happy they vacated the wins. While purely symbolic, it erases Paterno’s name from the top of the list to something like #5. He should never be revered.

  12. Guys, keep in mind that the “penalties” that PSU will suffer are not even close to being complete. Criminal investigations are ongoing and the civil cases are just getting started. Every boy that was molested by Sandusky has a legitimate grievance against PSU and will probably file suit. PSU is going to be paying these victims off in huge settlements (they’re talking millions of dollars per victim). I read somewhere that some legal experts estimate that the total cost that PSU will incur, in the form of fines, legal fees, settlements to victims, and lost revenue from football will be in the “hundreds of millions.” And that figure was the estimate before the NCAA hit PSU with a $60 million fine.

    There is blood in the water and PSU is almost defenseless. The lawyers are going to take huge chunks of flesh off the PSU carcass. If PSU were a private university, it might be filing Chapter 11 bankruptcy right about now. In my opinion, PSU deserves every punishment handed out. But ironically, PSU is going to need football revenue to pay off all the penalties they suffer.

    I can’t believe the morons that are protesting the removal of JoPa’s statue. Love people have such a skewed perspective, they are beyond hope. Of course, that’s how this tragedy was born in the first place.

  13. I felt like they should’ve kept the wins to his record. Remove the statue yes, the fines yes, four year ban yes even longer..but the wins should’ve been intact.

  14. Completely agree, Podunker has summed it up as well as it can be.

    Considering the NCAA sanctions, NCAA President Dr. Mark Emmert hit the exactly appropriate tone in the sanctions, their intensity and their breadth. The only thing I would add is a strong recommendation from the NCAA to the Board of Trustees that it resign ‘ut totum’ based on the fundamental culprit here, the Board’s complete failure to set up ‘institutional controls’ to prevent the runaway idolatry.

    Never forget, it was these people, including those who were heroes and leaders at Penn State, that created the culture of corruption in the football program, the power cult that enabled Joe Paterno to ‘bully’ other officials into cowardly silence and gave birth to complicity in a heinous coverup that created the environment that now blankets life in football-happy Happy Valley.

    One good and hopefully encouraging reality comes out of this disgraceful, revolting episode of individual degeneration, arrogant complicity and cowardly tolerance. This was the seed and fertilizer that fed the hedonistic football culture at Penn State into its total moral collapse.

    But there is hope. Finally, the NCAA, an institution that sometimes appears to be run by ‘for profit’ serial enablers and apologists for institutional cheating seems to have found a ‘new sheriff’ to clean up this decadent town in Dr. Emmert.

    The thoroughness of the measures slapped on Penn State, including the good neighbors and fans of that football program and those businesses who counted on fall Saturdays for a healthy margin of profit, now have a good reason to give the whole perception of college athletics a second consideration.

    And, the enabler/facilitators/exploiters like the vain, obsessed, self-deluding Graham Spanier; the very profitable sports media – just listen to ESPN for 10 minutes to ESPN, the network’s producers, pretty faces, marketing department and commercial partners-, have only one option:

    Wipe your nose and stop crying. There’s a new sheriff in town!

    This is not at all a bad day; this is a great day for intercollegiate athletics!

  15. The Big Ten needs to cut ties with Penn State – this institution has soiled the image of the greatest conference in the land…

    Say goodbye to Penn State, and re-engage talks with Notre Dame to become the 12th member.

  16. I think taking away the wins was among the best parts of the penalty.

    The piece of feces put his record above innocent kids. He should be given credit for them.

  17. I agree. Taking away the wins was the first thing I would have done. When people look up ‘Paterno’ it should link to an article on child molestation, not football wins.

  18. it’s inaccurate history……Penn State still won the games….no matter what anyone says…..just like trying to change anything else that has happened in history. The crimes happened….the wins happened….you do not have to honor the wins…but they still happened.

  19. Well, we’ll long remember the MVP performance by Howard Porter of Villanova against UCLA in the title game…no wait. We won’t. It was expunged from the record books.

    Or are you familiar with it?

  20. The cluelessness of the Paterno family and their never ending “statements” is baffling. I don’t expect them to release one saying they hate the old man, but why don’t they just not comment at all? The line today about the NCAA leveling the sanctions “…without any input from our family” is lame and bizarre and just shows how utterly out of touch they are with reality. In other words, the NCAA was supposed to talk to Jay Paterno, and when he reminded Emmert and Co. of how great his dad actually was, they wouldn’t have to erase all those wins and everything would be fine. It really is a shame that JoePa died before everything really hit the fan. I cannot think of a better punishment than for him to have to witness the aftermath of his silence, and then to be dragged thru the criminal courts with his great buddies Spanier and Curley.

  21. ‘t’…not sure about that. History is, at some point, always written by the winners or revised by them; rarely if ever by the losers. Who won the battle of Brooklyn during the Revolutionary War? I would guess Paterno’s motivation was as much his #1 place in number of wins and now he’s not only an ‘also ran’; but, 15 years from now he will be as anonymous in State College, Pa. as a Sam Wyche in Bloomington.

  22. Dunbar, we know Joe Paterno the coach and the man who likely originated and facilitated the cover-up of this tragedy.

    His family remembers the ‘dad’.

    Why not just leave their memory alone. Obviously, the hurt he caused has now extended to them as well.

  23. TTG, it’s past your bedtime. Your comprehension skills are utterly atrocious, as usual. Re-read my second sentence until you understand.

  24. The worst part of reading these PSU NCAA sanctions impact stories is the beating Indiana football keeps getting from writers. Lord have mercy, IU football is looked at as a national joke. Wilson better win at least 6 games this year!

  25. As it turns out, Penn State made some money in 2010-11. Scratch that: Penn State made a LOT of money in 2010-11. The Nittany Lions were second in the nation behind Alabama (and by only $65,000, at that) in estimated profit with $31,619,687.

    Yes, $31 million dollars more in revenue than expenses.

    In television interviews, The NCAA President, Dr. Mark Emmert, attempted to give the perception that the 60 million in sanctions was an enormous hit because it was “revenue” and not “profits.” If the figures from the above Bleacher Report excerpt are correct, PSU football profits could erase those penalties in two seasons.

    Dr. Emmert should be forthright and tell the public that this “unprecedented” fine handed down to Penn State is equivalent to a whopping two seasons of pigskin profits from a program that regularly blows other programs out of the water with their record-breaking percentage margins.

    Interestingly, IU ranks 22nd in the nation(2010-11) in football revenues above expenses(5.29 million). Wisconsin took in only $655,000 more than their expenses.

    Personally, I think Emmert fumbled the ball deep in his own misleading territory of complete bulls**t.

  26. Correction: The above figures are for athletic department revenues(not football alone). I would still presume the majority of PSU profits(31 million in one year) was primarily generated from football.

  27. Harvard, you and a lot of others made some world-class points on recent posts concerning hypocrasy at PSU and elsewhere, but let’s kill the myth for good that ANY college athletic program makes money. There are so many costs that are not included in ‘expenses’ born by the taxpayer starting at the federal state and local levels (starting with a TRILLION $$$ of student debt to artificially keep 30,000 students concentrated on campus to ‘support’ sporting events for four years?),and ultimately ALL FINES ARE PAID BY US AS WELL————athletic programs at all levels,especially college, may be the most subsidized segment of our society, even more than farmers————–

  28. I would think PSU alumni could raise $60 million to cover that fine this year?

    Also listened to an interesting piece on the radio yesterday from a Northwestern Professor commenting on the Penn State sanctions levied by the NCAA.

    He compared it to the Treaty of Versailles and it may be just a temporary reprieve. He further discussed how it could cause an atmosphere of resentment and an “us against the world” mentality. In turn the power of the football program and fan base will come back stronger than ever.

    Thoughts on this from the group?


  29. I hate Penn State now more than I hate Kaintuck….which I didn’t think was possible.

    There are STILL fans who think Paterno was treated unfairly.

    If I were an evil person, I’d say I hope their child gets raped some day. But since I’m not, I won’t.

  30. The reality is that we know VERY little of the true facts. I am confident there are many people finding it convenient to place blame on those no longer in power, or living. No doubt, I do not hold Joe Paterno in high regard like I used to and many children have paid a high price for his mistakes. I also know that he has been fairly judged and held accountable and anything done now on this earth is irrelevant to Joe Paterno. Joe will spend eternity where he belongs, we just do not know where that is and I am comfortable with that.

  31. PB, in response, maybe. One thing is, they were not a premiere program and haven’t consistently been for a long time, so what does ‘coming back’ really mean? Their infrastructure has not been top flight for some time. Can they regroup to become a pretty good program in a couple years? Sure, well, maybe. Probably more like three or four years if they indeed hired the right coach.

    Instead, will they regroup, circle the wagons, and, in a short time span, return PSU to a premiere program battling not only for conference titles but national championships again? I just don’t see it. Too many things have to be going right for that kind of success and there are just too many things not in their favor. Pretty much every facet of the program falls into a continuum ranging from ‘awful’ at one end and ‘unknown’ at the other. Nothing is in the good to excellent column.

    Probably the biggest and most important unknown is whether their new head coach will turn out to be the next Nick Saban or the next Bill Lynch. If he’s more like BL then ball game over because he doesn’t have to produce anything during the next four years. It could be a decade before they start the recovery process.

  32. The psu athletic dept. has literally screwed themselves, perhaps forever more, I see no recovery in athletics in the foreseeable future. No great coach or player in his right mind would give psu a second thought.

  33. Predictions of the impending demise of Penn State football are perhaps overstated. Certainly the sanctions will have an impact on the W-L category but Penn State still has many, many loyal supporters and while they may not be able to recruit as many marquis players, they will still field credible teams and fill their stadium seats. The absence of post season play clearly reduces the player’s exposure but does not prevent the NFL from drafting Penn State players. I think the sanctions will ultimately produce the intended results which is a program that is in keeping with the overall objectives of a great university and a resolve to do things right.

  34. Chet, my guess is that PSU football will be mediocre this year (2012) and then begin to decline significantly. They’re going to lose players from the current squad. They’ve already lost recruits from the class of 2013, and they’re going to lose a lot of scholarships over the next four years. What top HS football player is going to want to play at PSU over the next four years when they know they can’t compete for the Big Ten Championship or go to a bowl game?

    Playing in the Big Ten with only 65 players (for four consecutive years) is going to make it extremely difficult for PSU to regroup and remain competitive. No, this was a hammer blow to PSU football. They may eventually recover, but my guess is that it will be a decade before they challenge for another Big Ten football championship.

  35. NEWSFLASH: Their leaders were ignoring the raping of children in their locker room! How far have we slid down the well of greed to put numbers on such deeds?

    Many described a previous Hoosier coach’s affinity for 3-way calls as a “cancer” upon Indiana’s stellar reputation. If that was a cancer, then what the hell disease was filtering through the veins and organs a Penn State football program? Sounds like untreated syphilis in the final stages of turning the brain into pudding.

  36. Harvard, while Sampson’s conduct was a lot more than just cell phone abuse, you make a good point. Sampson’s behavior was acne while PSU’s behavior was stage three melanoma. Both are skin conditions, but other than that, they are incomparable.

  37. No doubt the sins at Penn State were revoltingly barbaric and worse…so much so that anyone remotely connected with them should include the words ‘sexual predator’ or report his presence to law enforcement officials whenever arriving at a new location.

    ‘Beat Purdue’ remembers and brings up an interesting and nightmarish history in the 1960 Big Ten/NCAA sanctions against the Hoosiers.

    The Penn State sanctions now replace the Hoosiers as the worse ‘non-death penalty sanctions’ for what contributor ‘BeatPurdue’ correctly calls ‘common’ (in other words every day NCAA-type cheating on NCAA limitations; in other words non-criminal, not-sexually-abusive, non-pedophelia sexual assault enabling). In other words ‘Common’, every-day nose-pimple payola cheating violations. (As distinct from Kentucky, UCLA, or Ohio State type credit for butt-art at Columbus (O) tattoo parlors, or University Miami of Florida football lap dance account…and the like). (Question: Why would anyone ever want a lap dance from former U.S.Secretary of Health and Human Services Donna Shalala now President at UofM (FL)?)

    In the 1960 sanctions against the Hoosiers, IU Coach Phil Dickens (1958-1964), who had arrived in Bloomington after a winning stint at Wofford College (Tenn) and Wyoming, cast a far and wide recruiting net and quite successfully. But, in the process and as he began to attract players from all over the country (Pennsylvania, Ohio, New York and several southern states) and Canada. Under a Canadian quarterback named John Jackson and led by solid ballplayers like DE Earl Faison, FB Vic Jones, IU quickly caught up and began to compete for the Big Ten championship.

    However, it was then alleged that Coach Dickens (he denied it) was illegally paying players cash for transportation home and other expense monies through alumni, as well as masterminding (according to the allegations) other recruiting violations. Leading the pack against the IU recruitment sins were Ohio State coach Woody Hayes and Purdue’s Jack Mollenkopf, who Dickens accused of doing the same thing. (In the case of Ohio State, allegations were made that horse racing legend John Galbreath- who also owned Roberto Clemente’s 1960 world series champion Pittsburgh Pirates- was paying Ohio State football recruits). Just as important, Dickens was defiant and all-but-dared the Big Ten to suspend him. They did, and then some.

    With the sanctions, the Hoosiers won one game in 1960, against Marquette (33-0), which dropped football as a varsity sport at the end of that year.

    Indiana was whacked by the Big Ten and NCAA. Not only was Dickens suspended from coaching for one year (initially the NCAA had asked for his head), but the book was thrown at the rebellious coach and the IU sports program as well. Head assistant Bob Hicks coached the 1960 team. Football was banned from Rose Bowl participation for the four years and scholarships were cut.

    But, additionally, all other Hoosier sport teams were also placed on probation and banned from competing for NCAA championships for that entire four-year period. This included the great Walt Bellamy, Van Arsdale twins (Tom and Dick) and John McGlockin teams- some of the greatest basketball players of that period who were not able to compete for either the Big Ten championship or the NCAA National Tournament.

    It also barred the best swimming and diving program in the world under legendary IU coaches Doc Counsilman’s and Hobie Billingsley’s, the most dominant sports team ever assembled, probably in history; as well as Jim Lavery’s nationally ranked track and field teams.

    IU football would not begin to recover until Coach John Pont’s arrival in 1965 (in 1967 the Hoosiers won the Big Ten and played Southern Cal (and OJ Simpson) in the Rose Bowl.

    Football was devastated. The athletic programs as a whole was devastated; income lost through the lean years delayed the building of adequate facilities, not only in football (practice facilities were slowed), but basketball and other sports as well(only now is baseball getting out of old Sembower Field).

    The indoor track/ indoor football field now on 17th. street was actually built as a replacement basketball field house (for Wildermuth Center on 10th Street) for nearly a decade until Assembly Hall was finally built approximately a decade later.

    Welcome to hard times Penn State. Indeed, if the IU experience teaches anything it is how long can you float? I believe the impact of the 1960 sanctions took 20 years to totally wear off, (football was partially recovered by the miraculous 1967 Rose Bowl team.

  38. Dunbar, you’re touchy and no need to be. I don’t disagree with your statement; just saying that through their lenses JoePa is not even JoePa. Just Pa. And, I’m merely suggesting at his point just leave them to their mourning and the tragedy of his dismantling.

    Someone came up to me once after my old man died and reminded me he was an alcoholic (not the words he used). I knew that, well and in person…. Still, I wanted to remember the ‘dad’ I loved, independent of any rational reminders and totally biased by the times he wiped my tears and told me life would be ok.

    Hope your kids are as irrationally biased as I am about my dad, and the Paternos about their ‘pa’, when they remember you.

  39. Is there a Wofford in Tennessee, too? I’m familiar with the one in Spartanburg, South Carolina. It’s where the Carolina Panthers hold their training camp. Wofford is a D1 program.

  40. IU’s 1960 NCAA IU sanctions came before my time. Interesting that all IU’s sports were placed on probation. Sounds like excessive punishment. If the NCAA tried that today, a University would take them to court for years and bleed the NCAA dry with legal challenges.

    Did IU challenge the NCAA? Did they put up a fight or just roll over and accept it.

    Amazing how times have changed.

  41. Chet, sorry…you’re absolutely right, I should have said Wofford, SC…just went brain dead. Actually it (Wofford in SC) is known for a good football program. Sorry

  42. TTG, I hear you. I agree with what you’re saying and understood the first time. That’s why I pointed out initially that the best policy is for the family to stop commenting. Absolutely nothing is gained from their statements. No one expects them to call out the old man, and I’m sure most people empathize with the horrible situation they have been put in. But when they “fight back” it just makes it more likely that the public will hate them, and adds to the whole PSU persecution complex (this Penn State vs. The World thing that’s brewing is so misguided it’s sickening).

  43. Yes. The Paterno exemplifies the old axiom ‘silence is golden’. If they had a clue as to what was best for their family they would STFU.

  44. Dunbar, again we agree. I expect the family will continue to act and talk out of emotion for as long as they breath…’smart’ or not is not in their equation.

  45. The Paternos are proud, competitive and feel threatened and their push back is only natural. The family is at least entitled to those actions.

  46. Where is the evidence that Paterno comspired to hide anything. The only “smoking gun” is “after my conversation with Joe last night”, there is nothing in that statement or anything else that Paterno tried to cover it up.

  47. Evidence: REALLY!? Come on. Your ridiculous question aside, Paterno was told by one of his assistant coaches that his Defensive Coordinator was raping/molesting (by definition, any sex between an adult and a child is rape) a young boy in the showers of the PSU football complex. After the assistant coach was quietly allowed to retire (that’s evidence), Paterno took no action to prevent this man from having access to those same football facilities (more evidence), which he continued to use in order to attract young boys. As powerful as Paterno was at PSU at the time, and given that he had the power to ban Sanduski from the football facilities, the fact that he did not do so is all the evidence you need to properly conclude that Paterno participated in a conspiracy to cover this up. Paterno in fact admitted as much when he confessed, “I should have done more.” Your question simply suggests that everyone suspend common sense and reason.

    Are you kidding? Do you think Paterno was fired for no reason? How do you justify Paterno allowing Sandusky to continue to have access to the football facilities after Sandusky was fired? By not calling the police about Sandusky in the first place; by not insisting that Sandusky be investigated immediately, by not insisting that Sandusky be banned from the football facilities after he was retired, by not insisting that his chain-of-command blow the whistle on this and call in the police, Paterno, given how powerful he was at PSU, is probably the guiltiest person involved and the original source of the conspiracy. Does Paterno’s lack of action rise to the level of criminal conduct? I don’t know. But it was certainly an abdication of responsibility, it was completely immoral behavior, and it was selfish and cowardly in the extreme. The fact that Paterno did not insist that the police be called in to investigate is all the evidence I need to conclude the Paterno participated in a conspiracy to cover-up child rape.

    Paterno’s failure was monumental, and it allowed a child rapist to victimize more children, virtually ruining their lives. To me and many others, that failure makes Paterno a despicable man. When it really mattered, when he really needed to demonstrate leadership and courage, Paterno failed miserably. That’s really all I and most other reasonable people need. But you sound like so many of the PSU loyalists that are desperate to split hairs so they can hold on to the fantasy that Paterno was some type of hero. In fact, from everything I’ve read, Paterno was a selfish, immoral, coward who’s failure to act allowed a monster to victimize children. He deserves to go down in infamy.

  48. The conversation you are talking about ‘Evidence’ was in fact a link. Two university executives had discussed this matter and resolved to report the felony rape by a serial degenerate felon child abuser Penn State assistant coach to the Foundation that this rapist was using to hunt new ‘prospective’ child victims, the state child welfare authorities (who as such have a legal obligation to make a formal complaint to the police) and informing the then President Graham Spanier. After deciding to do so and while in the process of informing Paterno, Paterno evidently uses his cl;out to lay out an alternative way of handling the issue-thus starting the cover-up (an additional felony (which itself is a felony against the children involved). And, don’t forget that since Paterno was an employee of a state agency, he had an even greater obligation to report crimes against minors.

    There is no doubt, zero-none, that if Paterno had been alive he would have been charged (both for the crimes themselves and for initiating the conspiracy to hide the crimes).

    Podunker’s points just blow your fantasy out-of-the-water. I’m just trying to point out that I’m not so sure it is a fantasy in your case. There’s probably a reason you are so anxious not to call this a sex-crime or, in the case of Paterno, a felonious failure to report a crime against a child. Are you in a questionable relationship?

    Now, my question is for you? Are you really this st_p_d?

  49. The Freeh report places responsibility squarely at Paterno’s feet, far more than I ever imagined it would.

  50. My guess is that Paterno did not really give the whole matter any appreciable thought when he became aware. I think that in his “scheme of life,” this was a trivial matter that did not merit much of his attention. That’s of course until last Fall. I think this view is implicit in the rationale behind the NCAA sanctions….that the program and the man had become so large and so God like that matters like these simply were of little to no consequence in comparison with forwarding the football program. Succinctly, Paterno and the PSU administration lost their moral compass.

  51. LOL, just seeing if the fish would take the bait, go on a tirade and result to childish name calling.

    Podunker, your post lays it all out perfect in a non-combative way. Bravo sir.

    TTG, very good to the last line, I knew if you answered there was no way you couldn’t revert back to grade school antics. Thank you for not disappointing.

    Chet & iufan23, both nice respectful post.

    Maybe there is hope for the scoop after all!

  52. iufan; …….and they deserve all the punishment and infamy that can be piled upon them as a result.

    They demonstrated a monumental failure in judgement, leadership, morality and ethics, not to mention breaking the law. Beyond that, they are guilty of being profoundly stupid, absolute morons. And for what, so they could protect their college football program, their legacies, and keep the coaching wins streak alive?

    Last year, you could understand, given his advanced age, how Paterno was struggling to deal with everything. I think the man had been marching steadily toward senility for the last three years of his life. But not back when Sandusky’s crime first came to his attention. There is no excuse for his complete failure those many years ago. If he was aware and lucid enough to be the head football coach at PSU, he was aware and lucid enough to be held fully responsible for his decisions and incredible inaction. And that’s why Joe Paterno’s legacy will live on in infamy.

    From now on, when a powerful leader in American culture is discovered to have completely blown it, disgraced himself, failed miserably in his leadership responsibilities, and is found to be morally bankrupt, and in so doing destroys his/her reputation, it should be known as a “Paterno,” as in “Oh my God, that guy turned out to be a Paterno, or “he Paternoed, or “you’re not going to Paterno on me, are you?”

  53. Hey, after watching numerous PSU football fans being interviewed on TV news, you can’t blame people for thinking you were one of those “fans in denial” trying to hang on to their nostalgic love of Paterno. Given the extreme emotional reaction that most people have about the crimes Sandusky committed, and how he was allowed to continue preying on young boys after he was discovered, I can understand how people, thinking you were being serious, could respond to your posts with insults and name calling.

  54. Paterno thought process: “Sandusky molesting a boy? Whatever. Are we gonna have to make any defensive adjustments for the Ohio St. game on Saturday or not?”

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