Indiana rallies from 27-0 deficit but still falls to Northwestern, 44-29

EVANSTON, Ill. — Indiana rallied back from a 27-0 deficit to drag Northwestern into a one-possession game, but didn’t come up with nearly enough stops against a Wildcats offense that piled up an astronomical 704 yards of total offense in a 44-29 victory in front of 33,129 at Ryan Field.

The Hoosiers fell to 2-2 overall, 0-1 in the Big Ten and still have not won a Big Ten game in the Kevin Wilson era.

“It was overall just not our day,” junior cornerback Greg Heban said. “We’ve been prepping so much for this game. We had the off week, we had two weeks to prep for them. They’re a great team, I just don’t think we played up to our capabilities. When we don’t play up to our capability against an offense like that, they can put up a lot of yards.”

The Wildcats did, especially because of junior Kain Colter, the Northwestern starting quarterback who beat the Hoosiers with everything but his arm. He finished with 161 yards and four touchdowns rushing out of the quarterback spot and also caught nine passes for 131 yards out of the wide receiver position. Colter had played that spot last year, catching 43 passes for 466 yards and three touchdowns, but he hadn’t been there at all this season.

“He was just so versatile,” Heban said. “He could run the ball, pass the ball. He’s probably one of the best athletes we’ll face all year. He has that threat of running and passing, you can’t focus on one.”

Said Northwestern coach Pat Fitzgerald: “Kain is Kain. He is unbelievable. He is the most dynamic young man, I think, in this conference.”

The Hoosiers were especially flummoxed with the zone read option that the Wildcats ran out of the pistol formation that Indiana used to use under Bill Lynch. On each zone read play, Colter had the option to either hand the ball off to junior tailback Venric Mark or keep it himself, and he did a brilliant job of disguising each play and keeping the Hoosiers guessing who had the ball after the mesh point. mark rushed for 139 yards and a touchdown on 29 carries. Backup tailback Mike Trumpy rushed for 87 yards on just 14 carries and the Wildcats finished with 394 yards and five touchdowns on the ground.

“It was kind of a new wrinkle,” IU coach Kevin Wilson said. “Those guys were doing a pistol set. We had worked a lot on their split-back option veer. They did a little bit of that. … They popped us basically with some pistol, fast running with him out in space. I think sometimes actually we were close, but we got blocked. I thought their perimeter, I think sometimes where in our run game our receivers on the perimeter didn’t block as well as theirs.”

Trevor Simiean made sure the Hoosiers still had to respect Northwestern through the air. He finished with 308 yards on 22-for-32 passing.

Meanwhile, Indiana’s offense stalled in the first half with sophomore quarterback Cameron Coffman back at the controls. They were outscored 27-0 and outgained 316 yards to 145. Coffman had what was clearly his shakiest outing so far, completing 13 of 23 passes for 109 yards, throwing an interception and taking two sacks.

Wilson replaced him with Nate Sudfeld in the third quarter, however and the Hoosiers’ offense picked up almost instantaneously. He completed nine of 16 passes for 157 yards and a touchdown and began the Hoosiers’ comeback.

Wilson made a point to say that he doesn’t believe he has a controversy — he apparently loathes that term — but he did suggest that he will enter into every game for the duration of the season expecting to play both quarterbacks.

“That was my comment to both of them the other day,” Wilson said. “‘We’re gonna start with Cam. He’s been here longer, but I think you’re both starters. I don’t believe in pulling a guy.’ I said, ‘But if we need a shot in the arm…’ I just thought the way it was going, we just needed maybe a change-up. I didn’t think Cam was horrible. At the same time, just based on the rhythm of the offense that was going, it just wasn’t working. So let’s just see if the other guy (can do it.) … There won’t be a controversy. I think they’re both adequate, I think they’ll both play.”

Sudfeld came in in the last drive in the first half. Coffman took the first drive of the second half and actually led to Hoosiers to a score on a 20-yard run by junior tailback Stephen Houston, but Sudfeld got them in the end zone faster on the next drive. He found junior wide receiver Kofi Hughes for a 35-yard touchdown pass on a deep post route to cut Northwestern’s lead to 27-14. Hughes finished with five receptions for 110 yards.

“Usually we take that post pattern a little flatter,” Hughes said. “But he took it vertical and it was perfect.”

Northwestern answered with a seven-play, 75-yard touchdown drive that culminated in Mark’s 1-yard run, but Indiana answered with a 96-yard kickoff return by freshman Tevin Coleman.

“I dropped the ball,” Coleman said. “The sun was in my eyes, but I dropped the ball. I knew I had to make up for that, so I just had good velocity. I went down and I did the return. … It was really in the middle. I just took the middle. My teammates were blocking for me and I was glad about that. I just kept on running.”

Northwestern answered with a field goal by Jeff Budzien to make it 37-21, but then Indiana scored again on a 2-yard run by sophomore D’Angelo Roberts to make it 37-29 and bring it back within a possession.

Indiana got the ball back on an interception by safety Alexander Webb and had a chance to tie, but the Hoosiers went three and out on the next possession. Northwestern then scored on a 22-yard run by Colter to make it 44-29.

The Hoosiers drove all the way to the Northwestern nine – thanks to a dazzling catch by wide receiver Cody Latimer — but the drive stalled in the red zone and Sudfeld overthrew a fade route out of the back corner of the end zone on 4th-down-and-8 on the 9-yard line to give Northwestern the ball with 2:16 to go in the game. The Wildcats ran the clock out and escaped, forcing the Hoosiers to wonder why they couldn’t get started earlier.

“It’s really good that we fought back, just as we did at the end against Ball State, but it’s frustrating at the same time,” Hughes said. “Why can’t we play like that at the beginning? Why can’t we play like that the whole time and just separate ourselves, instead of having to be coming from behind.”

AUDIO: Kevin Wilson

AUDIO: Nate Sudfeld

AUDIO: Adam Replogle

AUDIO: More Nate Sudfeld

AUDIO: Greg Heban

AUDIO: Tevin Coleman

AUDIO: Kofi Hughes

69 comments

  1. This was the fist IU/Northwestern game I attended in a long time. At the end of the first half I was close to vowing to never pay for an Indiana football game again. However, in the second half when Sudfeld came into the game, you saw a change in the offence, a spark from the team. You could tell they wanted to play for him. He has a calm about him out there, and is not afraid to let it fly. Hats off to the receivers who made some great catches as well. Houston ran well, however, I just wish he made quicker choices out there. The kick-off return by the freshman, really got the IU fans going. The dropped ball actually helped with the run back via making the defense over run the play, but he also made some great moves.

    The defense just got beat on outside contain. When Colter makes that fake inside, he hides behind those big lineman, and you don’t know who has the ball. If you step inside, play over, because you just made their block easy, and Colter now has an open outside third, and he can scoot. This was their bread and butter play. We could not stop it. We could not make an adjustment. I saw Wilson going back in forth with one of the coaches after a touchdown. I’m sure he was asking, “Why can’t we stop this?”.

    Overall, we need to continue to work on execution, and we’re going to need more size and overall team speed to compete in the Big Ten, and stop the big plays (This team MADE some big plays today). I think we missed our mobile quarterback today as well. We need to look at SEC and model ourselves after them to differentiate ourselves in this conference. Not sure we can do it, but if we can strive for it, we could have more exciting football.

    Speed!

  2. IUAL88, this game showed what we lost when Tre went down. Having a QB who is a gifted runner as well as passer is almost like having another player on the field. Northwestern had that player. We did not.

    You may be right about Sudfield. Some talents go beyond what you can see in practice. It will be interesting to see how this plays out this week.

    It’s also interesting how the flotsam and jetsam of the Hoosier Nation crawl out from under their rocks following a loss. They will hang around and cast clumsy derision upon all things Hoosier and then disappear to the dim shadows from whence they dwell. Always quickly forgotten.

  3. … following a loss.

    But when is a Kevin Wilson coached game not a loss?

    Bill Lynch Beat Purdue. Beerbelly Wilson pur-didn’t.

  4. Another thing I noticed, is that there was, at times, a bit of confusion on defense. Not sure why. However, one thing is for sure, there is very little nastiness on the defense. They don’t seem to have an identity. They are just out there trying to stop the ball, there’s not enough confidence for attitude. Now, they had some stops for a loss, and a couple of good hits, but that’s it.

    Not sure if you’re “flotsam and jetsam” remark is pointed towards me. My point in posting, is that I think despite the loss, we saw some positive things. Now all the headlines are going to talk about how IU gave up 700 plus yards. But for the fans who were there, they made it exciting in the second half. One gentleman sitting behind me asked another, “You ready to go?” the other gentleman replied, “No, this is one of the better games I’ve seen.”

    This process is about baby steps.

  5. At least we learned one thing: Nate Sudfeld is for real. Time to make him the starting QB and see if he can lead this IU team for a whole game – then maybe we won’t have to ask him to rally back from a huge 1st half deficit.

  6. All ina all, I;m encouraged, as much as I hate to say that after a loss, but we are getting better. I think it’s now obvious that Sudfeld needs to be under center throughout, he simply makes throws that Coffman can’t, & believe it or not, & it’s HARD to believe, I’m evebn encouraged by some things defensively. The secondary is still brutal obviously, but the front 7 made a lot of nice plays today, a lot of not so nice one’s too, but the nice one’s are at least an improvement.

  7. Thought Cooper & Alexander had decent days from LB corps. Senior DTs with some good plays, but not consistent enough. DBs can’t cover, but then again, they get no real help from any pass rush either.

    Still can’t figure why we couldn’t adjust to the dive option as the game progressed. Just tell the DT not to commit to the dive man period if that’s what it takes. Force someone else (i.e. not Colter) to beat you.

    Thought the offense should have should have committed more to establishing the run in the first half. Agree with IUAL88, although Houston looks like best back in terms of talent and size, he seems to be dilly dallying with it around LOS. Additionally, he should be routinely running over guys as on the TD play in 2nd half, but he doesn’t have that aggressive mindset that often.

  8. The problem with committing to stop KC on the option play is we then have to deal with the option of Venric Mark taking the hand off and him with the ball in our secondary doing things much like Coulter can do. 2 pills both poison. With a more talented DL we would have made more plays against the option. NW knew what they were doing setting that up in practice using the pistol and attacking us with it at the LOS where we are weakest.

  9. Chet, I know you didn’t mean to intentionally, but thank you for providing a huge laugh on a Sunday morning. You confused a popular talking point about the dregs coming out after a loss…use that only after IU loses a basketball game. You see, IU has lost every game under KW but 3…and it will stay that way until next Aug. 31 (watch out, ISU!). So if people couldn’t talk after losses, this blog would be completely silent.

  10. …run, run Chicken Little the sky is falling, the sky is falling…Dunbar posted so on the internet…so he must be right…run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, so long Chet…

  11. Anything I can do to brighten your day is my pleasure. There is not enough laughter in the world.

    HC, the option is only effective because so few use it. If you run it to perfection, and you’re the only team on someone’s schedule who runs it, it can be very productive. Air Force would never have a winning season based on talent but they are one of a handful of teams that are truly committed to the option and recruit for it.

    As others have pointed out, it requires ‘assignment defense’. If you stay disciplined you can shut it down but today’s defenders rely on athleticism to make ‘the big play’. Getting that defensive end to completely commit to the QB and the LB to completely commit to the pitch is against their nature to ‘follow the ball’.

    It is also a high risk offense. I think that is the primary reason for its fading popularity.

    It is a thing of beauty when run well. I always incorporated the veer option when I had the personnel during my coaching days.

  12. Clarion, your act is so stale. You desperately need some new material. Believe it or not, you’re not the arbiter of this blog…although maybe you could go back to school, major in journalism, and then talk to Dustin about becoming a student intern at the HT.

  13. Your act will never gets stale because you are always wrong and somebody has to be wrong. The difference between facts and crap is you.

  14. Man, Dunbar just got told. I have no idea what he got told though because that post was incredibly incoherent. Hoosier Clarion, there’s no way that even sounded good in your head before you typed it. Please go take your pills and go to bed. Someone will wake you up after next Saturday’s loss so you can remind us that going 1-11 the next couple seasons is all part of the plan.

  15. “The difference between facts and crap is you.” What are you, in 5th grade? You argue like a child. Try to do better next time. In the meantime, since you like facts so much, here’s a few for you. Fact: IU has 3 wins under the great Kevin Wilson, who makes twice as much money as his predecessor. Fact: Of those 3 wins, 2 were against FCS teams and the other was against a team playing its second FBS game. Fact: IU gave up over 700 yards yesterday, the third most any team has ever surrendered in the HISTORY of the B1G. Fact: IU has not come closer than 6 points against any B1G team under KW. Fact: I am waiting, but not hopeful, for another win this season. I hope it happens.

  16. Now we have 2 crap throwers. FACTS: 17 IU FB players yesterday “played in” their 1st B10 game and 30 players who “played in” the game were Frosh and Soph. Load up boys your coming at me weak and do not bring your crap.

  17. Was “crap” the word of the day on your Ziggy calendar? You should request a thesaurus for Christmas. I’m well aware of IU’s youth. But will these guys be any good in a couple of years? What will the excuse be when they aren’t? Do other teams play any young players, or just IU? Crap crap crap crap crap.

  18. How can you be well aware and still be so damn dumb with only offering crap? More FACTS: Only 5 Seniors “played in” the game yesterday and 3 are DT’s playing in our area of most need, DL. Please do not disappoint me and let the facts get in your way when slinging crap.

  19. What? I told you I knew all about IU’s youth, even agreed with you, per se. You can’t really be this dumb. And why do you keep saying “played in”, with quotes, like it didn’t really happen?

    My point, which you’re too stupid to understand, is that these players won’t be any good in a couple of years anyway, so it doesn’t matter how many freshmen and sophs IU plays. Look at some of the guys who played as true frosh last year. All Murphy is good for is killer 15 yard late-hit penalties. I assume you saw Mullen’s, um, coverage against Ball State. He’s really thrived under this coaching staff. Richardson never does anything. Ditto Flo Hardin, Nick Stoner, Shane Wynn. Latimer is awesome, but he doesn’t play defense, so sadly it doesn’t even matter that he is a beast. IU will have to score 50 points to beat anybody else left on the schedule (yes, even Navy).

  20. Go HC!, Chet…my man!…something has some of these characters making the point that a bad experience with breast-feeding follows them forever. And, the pacifier they sucked on through their sophomore year in college did not help.

    Some of what they write would be worth thinking about, if they didn’t have such a negative, destructive intent. I’ve wondered why at times, and the breast-feeding explanation is the only one I can come up with. Mala leche- bad milk.

  21. Post #13
    It must be nice to be so good that you can change your offense based on personnel. Oh wait, you were coaching 4th graders.

  22. TTG, What you and IUAL88 are seeing is the D thinking too much and not fast to reacting because of it. There can be no attitude or identity when your youth, lack of talent and instincts requires concentration on your keys before locating the ball. So they play slow, probably slower than the are. Heban, Murphy and Cooper(although Shaw is getting my attention) seem to be reacting instinctively on more plays. Which means they are probably the closest defenders we have to B10 talent. 1 thing is undeniable, the Wilson mindset has converted the whole team to his standard of mental toughness. There is no quit in them like last year and the Lynch years before.

  23. Dunbar, I mean it…why insult. Just share your points and offer them. HC is a good guy with whom one can disagree and carry on a back and forth trying to peel the onion without getting the smell.

    I actually believe (have said elsewhere in this blog) you make points in some of the content on post #23…but then you add, “…which you’re too stupid to understand”. I’d like to understand some of that too…but Clarion, Chet, lots of others make equally valid posts and their authors are on this blog for no other reason that they share a mutual passion for the Hoosiers.

    We’re all hoping…so what’s your point? What’s your interest? If you need to know, that’s what made me think of ‘mala leche’.

    It really makes no other sense.

  24. TTG, When it comes to the IU fan base there has forever been that undertone of negative stigma by some fans(Coach Wilson faces his biggest challenge at IU in his encounter to change their culture)(the team was easy compared to this). 2 of the best examples of that culture are above because they have over the decades had IU BB to fall back on and be happy. I have a relative who is somewhat similar except she is an ND FB fan and IU BB fan. Loyal to neither 100%. In the years those favorites did not work out she did not sport the gear of either or care to challenge critical jousting.

  25. HC…yeah…I think you may be right. At least, it is the only acceptable explanation because anything else may be beyond fixing.

    I alson recall last year thinking (and posting) the same way about Lawrence Barnett (#23) and hoping there were more answers and alternatives. And I remember a lot of what appeared to be confusion or lack of understanding in a story about the cornerback last year; how they cover their assignments, whether to turn their head at the ball or to attempt to anticipate their assignment’s movement, whether to stick your hand in or focus on the tackle. Just seemed like a lot of confusion and, in the case of Mullens, Barnett, maybe Webb does not seem to have stopped and other teams are seeing it.

    I agree with everything else as well. I don’t feel bad about how we are playing. We do have a future and I think Wilson’s way is the right way. We need more and better defensive ends. We need to make sure we replace the 2-3 senior linemen with equally talented, tough kids (some should come from the freshman class now getting some experience). We are 3-deep in QB’s. We will be playing 4-5 quality backs deep. We will have 5-6 receivers, 2-3 tight ends. Our linebackers appear more than adequate and our offensive line is giving protection and opening holes.

    There is, HC, every reason to believe we will be significantly better, stronger, bigger, faster, poised and skilled. And, if these two first classes are an example of what Wilson will bring in we will be s solid B1G team. We (WE) need to just let it happen without making ourselves sick.

  26. TTG, you’re just the guy I was looking for. I overheard someone talking about IU basketball yesterday (ON A FOOTBALL SATURDAY, CAN YOU BELIEVE IT???). What nerve. You should find him and bring him to justice. It’s great of you to come to bat for HC. He must be worn out after all the bickering today. Not quite as worn out as the C, R, A, and P keys on his computer, but tired nonetheless. I’m sure he is a wonderful guy. That really comes across in his posts, especially #12 when he responded to Dunbar pointing out that the football team loses way more often than it wins. For the record, I think it was Clarion who called Dunbar dumb first in #20, but don’t let that ruin your story. That being said, the chicken little bit is one of my favorites. If anyone has something negative or skeptical to say after a loss, they must be panicking, right? Not everyone is as patient and easily pleased as HC. He loves facts (and really hates crap, evidently), but only when those facts are not in conflict with the tired point he is trying to make. We all know the team is “young”, but it’s only “young” because the coaching staff makes it that way. Last time I checked, the NCAA allows you to play juniors and seniors. I know that if IU did play more older guys, though, 7 or 8 conference losses a year couldn’t be blamed on “youth” and “inexperience,” and some posters here would feel a lot worse about everything. TTG, I look forward to your impassioned response. I’m sure it will be full of unnecessary and creepy breast milk references. HC, I’m sorry for all the crap. Or “crap,” if you prefer.

  27. TTG, about time you showed up. Your intoxicating mix of incoherence and authority is just what this back-and-forth was missing. If Clarion is the arbiter of the board, you are the schoolmarm. I’ll step aside now. I look forward to tomorrow’s depth chart. Even though any IU fan with two working eyes knows that Sudfeld is the superior quarterback, our fearless leader, Coach Kevin Wilson, will have Coffman as the starter b/c “he’s been here longer” (direct quote). Um, coach, how about playing the better player? Just a thought.

  28. More of the same crap(not “crap” as you allude to). More FACTS: 14 Juniors played(of which 5 “played in” their 1st B10 game)as I posted above 5 Seniors played and as you accurately stated all allowed by the NCAA. NW returned more starters than we had players who had ever played in a B10 game. You 2 are still long words and damned light on solid arguments. Please no more crap or “crap” for your preference.

  29. TTG, did go to the game yesterday? From your office to the stadium is what 8 miles? You are very critical of others. Were you at the game?

  30. Alright HC you win. You’ve finally broken me. Even I have my limits. I appreciate you providing a class breakdown roster for the 100th time, but it’s getting a little repetitive. Your counting skills, however, are second to none. Actually, on second thought, if you could tell me one more time how many freshmen, sophomores, juniors, and seniors played yesterday, I might have it memorized by the end of the night. Good luck with your crap fetish.

  31. A few thoughts from attending the game yesterday. First, we were vastly undersized compared to NU’s O-line. That being said, NU’s play calling in the second half was unbelievably predictable… If Colter was the QB, they ran. If he lined up in the slot or took a breather, they passed. Not sure if coaching was to blame but, the d didn’t seem to recognize it all. 8 in the box would have helped shut down a lot of lanes Colter snuck through. In the first half, all of the play calling from the sidelines and on the fly audibles really hurt Coffman. He wasn’t really given an opportunity to read the defense at any time and the team looked confused. Fast forward to the 2nd half, play calling simplified for Sudlield and the Hoosiers played much better. I know we don’t have the size or first-tier talent of other teams in the B-10 but, the no huddle play calling isn’t the answer. The second half showed we could compete. Let’s hope that is a start to something. I was impressed with the Hoosier fans coming out to support the team. A lot of Crimson in the stands.

  32. I am of course extremely pleased your recognition skills and memory have kicked in(maybe there is a strong chance Coach Wilson can tame that part of the fan base that is eternally negative). But really you had no other recourse as you brought nothing substantive to the argument. Wave the white flag honorably.

  33. …oh another thing next time leave the crap out of your argument and you will not have to read about me referencing to your crap in mine…

  34. NW is one heck of a good team. They have built a great program up ther and they’ve done it the right way…Kudos!

    Evaluating IU’s prospects for another win this season, it is dim at best. I think we have some offensive weapons but NW’s defense is not great. A better test of our offense will come this week against MSU that has a solid defense. If we can move the chains and score against MSU, I think we have found some answers on offense.

    On defense, we certainly had our moments but you don’t win a lot of football games allowing over 700 years of offense.
    Even more significant, while improved, we are still playing out of position on too many plays and we appear to be confused out there. We are also undersized and lack secondary speed. So, I would have to say that we have not found too many answers on defense.

    I think we may have a slight chance against Illinois provided they don’t improve too much and we can get some defensive stops. Iowa presents another potential opportunity but I don’t think we have much of an answer for their RB (Wiseman?). Navy is a question mark as well, but I don’t think we have enough speed to defend their option.

    So, I think we are looking at a 2 win season…disappointing…not surprising. This is probably as tough a rebuilding process as I’ve ever seen and while I think we may be on the right track, I’m not sure quite yet.

  35. HC & TTG; Have you ever noticed that many of the posts critical of KW include comments about his compensation relative to Bill Lynch? For example, post #17 included, “Fact: IU has 3 wins under the great Kevin Wilson, who makes twice as much money as his predecessor.” Is the main problem the record or the money Wilson is getting paid?

    Why even mention Wilson’s compensation in relative terms? Is there some class-envy creeping into these complaints? It’s not like IU was going to find a lot of other quality candidates to take over the IU team for significantly less? Bill Lynch was the lowest paid head football coach in the Big Ten during his last year at IU. His total compensation package was less than half the average of what Big Ten head coaches were getting paid that year. If Lynch had been retained, he’s have gotten a significant increase in compensation. In fact, Wilson is still one of the lowest paid head coaches in the Big Ten and way below the conference average for head coaches.

    Interestingly, I don’t recall reading these same complaints about Crean’s compensation, relative to his predecessor, when IU fans endured three consecutive losing seasons. Hey Dunbar, can you explain that? Were you complaining about Crean’s compensation package up until last year? Do you think the investment IU made in hiring Crean was worth it? Here’s a news flash for you; if Crean leads this year’s team to the final four, you can expect IU to renegotiate his salary ti include a huge pay increase. If you doubt me, just consider Calipari’s compensation relative to Crean’s package. There is a lot of upside from Crean, and if IU wants to keep him, they’ll have to narrow that gap.

    You see, the parallels are worth considering. Crean inherited a program with very little talent. He had to scramble just to put a team on the floor that first year. While Wilson had more players on the roster, in terms of ability, mental toughness and attitude, the football cupboards were just about as empty, and he, like Crean, had to scramble to recruit players that could compete. The difference is, Crean benefitted from having his predecessor run off the bad apples before he arrived on campus and he enjoyed the benefit of IU’s tradition and the fans’ incredible passion for basketball. There are neither strong traditions or a lot of passionate fans for IU football, therefore, in relative terms, it’s going to take a lot more time for Wilson to build a competitive program. And it’s much easier for IU to recruit for basketball than it is for football. In basketball, a few quality freshman turn a losing team into a sweet 16 team. In football, you need about 50 of those players, and then you need to give them a couple of years to physically mature.

    It just takes a lot more time to transform a football program than it does a basketball program, at least when you have to follow the NCAA rules. And you’re not going to get a lot of quality coaches, or coaches with head coaching experience, to come to IU and accept the challenges associated with rebuilding a traditionally weak and grossly underfunded program for a compensation package that is less than IU is paying Wilson.

    I’ve said it before, assuming he does not break the rules, Wilson will get at least four full years before he begins to feel any major heat from Glass or IU’s administration. While we all get frustrated by IU’s losses, especially to teams that in the past we used to dominate (i.e., NU), we have to keep our powder dry until the 2014 season is complete. And I predict that well before Wilson is fired, you’ll see him dumping a couple of his defensive coaches. Unless IU’s defense starts to show significant improvement, the defensive coaches do not have job security.

  36. Wow, what a waste of time, Podunker. 6 paragraphs of babbling, for what? To point out the differences btwn football and basketball? You hit on some really groundbreaking stuff, like how you need more good players in football than in basketball. By jove, I’ve never looked at it that way before! What will you regale us with next?!?

    I’ve never complained about Crean’s compensation, b/c when Greenspan hired him, he was a PROVEN COMMODITY. He did some pretty impressive things at a tiny private school in Milwaukee. KW, on the other hand, had this to his credit: an 0-10 record in his only season as a head coach (HS), and an on-again, off-again relationship with a mustache (time to bring it back, coach). Yes, I know he has the Broyles Award collecting dust somewhere in the North Endzone, but let’s be honest, that’s the college football equivalent of a Daytime Emmy. Whenever you or one of the other KW lackeys try to make yourselves feel better about the fact the IU doesn’t ever win any games, you invariably bring up Bill Mallory and compare his plight with Wilson’s. One small difference, and something you always conveniently leave out: Mallory was a successful HEAD COACH for 14 years at 3 different schools before taking the IU job. That is a tremendous difference compared to the crap (that’s for you, Clarion!) we have now. Let’s hope 3 years from now when Wilson is shown the door, there’s another Bill Mallory out there willing to take the job.

  37. Grossly overpaid compared to which other coach? Please, tell us what Crean’s salary should be.

    Dunbar, you slung your childish insults about my post, but you did not answer the question. Why even reference Wilson’s compensation relative to Lynch? What’s your point in mentioning compensation? It’s irrelevant as to whether Wilson is a good coach or not. No one’s asking you to reach into your pocket to pick up any portion of the cost of Wilson’s salary, so why do you care what he get’s paid?

    Did you expect instant success from Wilson? Are you crestfallen because you took his “Win Today” slogan literally? Maybe Bill Lynch is a personal friend? Did you expect Wilson to transform the mess he inherited in just two years? Or are you simply miserable because Wilson’s getting paid more money than Lynch was?

    You’re free to criticize Wilson or any other coach as much as you want (if you can find time between directing insults at other participants). But stop providing a blinding glimpse at the obvious and instead, try presenting the basis of your critique. Otherwise your posts are just juvenile.

  38. Podunker, you seem more obsessed about the salary issue than anyone. It was one sentence in a paragraph-long post. I’m assuming Dunbar meant that it seemed odd to offer a salary twice as high as Lynch’s to a guy who had practically no experience as a head coach. $1.2 million is not breaking the bank, but it doesn’t seem like money well spent by any stretch of the imagination at this point in KW’s tenure. I could be wrong (and I’m sure I will be told so very quickly by Wilson’s Internet Army on here), but it seems as if IU could’ve gotten a more experienced coach for the same or similar price tag. I was not a Bill Lynch fan, but he was let go after a five-win season (including a win AT Ross-Ade). A 5-win season now looks like it would require some kind of miracle. Or Indiana State traveling to Bloomington five Saturdays in a row.

  39. Podunker: What Gene P. said.

    You act as if I devoted 10 paragraphs to salary, like you did. And I love the “you’re free to criticize Wilson…” and then you give me the parameters in which I’m allowed to do so. We are having what’s called a disagreement. Google it (another insult, wah). If I criticized him the way you wanted me to, we wouldn’t be arguing.

  40. Podunker, others following the string- I’ve noticed the issue of salary comes up once in a while and I literally immediately dismiss it because it is really a question of situational markets. Both cases, Crean and KW. Two million sounds like a lot of money.

    It is not.

    I say situational market because both Crean and KW were walking into situations that were unusual and tough for a coach. Their very careers and life’s dreams were at play.

    Both were putting their careers on the line. Crean, a successful coach at a known basketball school, Marquette was secure and, I would guess could either stay where he was or go to another university where a salary near a couple of million was not out of the question (i.e. think Illinois, or Nebraska for example). Indiana was going into a hard probation with some indication that the NCAA was not fooling around (the severity).

    So, at the time, it was just as likely that Crean was not going to succeed as quickly (yes, quickly) or to the extent he did. I’m not sure I consider HIS decision to come to Indiana at the time an indication of rational thinking. Glass read it exactly right. The contract had to be lucrative and ‘guarantee’ Crean a length that would not leave him in the cold. (Remember, the only reason we got Sampson is because he was one literally ‘days ahead’ of being fired at Oklahoma when IU shows up…and we knew it! What happened subsequently convinced me of three things. 1) The IU President was unfit to lead the University, 2) the Board of Trustees (and IU guess- one former Board member in particular- should have walked to the center of the Court at Assembly Hall, bowed towards the fans and loudly apologized- one by one- to them for ever having thought he/she was competent to run an institution like Indiana University. And 3) Greenspan…even as I write this I shake my head… I knew of him while he was at West Point and he left a similar trail of failure, ineptitude and executive incompetence there. You do the math it adds up to a -15. How do these characters find us? Do they advertise in Education Weekly and we write their P.O. Box number next to the laundromat?

    Glass, I think understood this; and knew the only way to cure it was Money and Security for Crean.

    Likewise Coach Wilson but first you had to look at the situation IU was in. We had a long, proven and generally inglorious history of being a badly and perennial faililng program. The same three reason 1)an incompetent Board dominated by a small group 2) Presidents and administrations who either did not care or were cowardly in their leadership and 3) an athletic leadership previously way over his head to the extent it had made it near impossible to revive. I’m always amused (then I cry, curse and send stupid letters) by the comments that come in either during the ‘search period’ or after ‘their candidate’ did not get selected. “‘We should have gotten Calipari!’, ‘we should have hired Stoops… or revive Parseghian!'”

    What makes anyone think any successful head coach at a major school will take the Indiana University job that will probably turn them into BTN commentators, insurance salesmen or back to assistant coaches…no matter what the money.

    Our only hope has always been to go after an intelligent, demanding, well grounded and experienced assistant coach and hope to God our number comes up. Glass made three critical and great decisions.

    He kept everyone else (including the President I expect)out of the selection process until he made his choice; completely ignored the entire Board (thus skipping one or two members with their own agendas)and hired himself a top notch ‘consultant’ who gave him a short list and set out with him in a 1,2 3 order. He hired the #1 on that list…Kevin Wilson. You’d never heard of him?…neither had I (as is usually the case with assistants)…and that was the brilliance behind the madness. A long-time, successful, respected by everyone assistant who, after two decades as an assistant decided he wanted the challenge and had a reputation for offenses that could do what was needed- attack the Big Ten at its greatest vulnerability, offensive football based on a passing game.

    What was our other choice?…out Ohio State at being Ohio State? Michigan? The key was in the experience Wilson had; Miami (O)(sound football), Northwestern (ther recovery of a program through sound and imaginative football) and Oklahoma (a way of life)…like the pyramids in the Yucatan, one terrace at a time.

    The other possibility was cheating.(Some would have accepted it). Since we got our butts kicked when we did that in 1960 (the NCAA and the Bog Ten didn’t give us the death penalty; they put us in the coffin, shut the top and buried us alive). Thank A.D. Glass for some clear, creative, ‘think about attacking the flanks’ leadership on this one. I know there will be dozens of posts on this one. I’ll say it now. I have never met A.D. Glass in my life, probably will never do so and have no stake in it. I’ll take that back, I have one stake in it… wanting to see Indiana dominate before I die. (Don’t get in a hurry, I’m 71 and I’m a bastard enough to hang around for another four decades or so).

    And get this too. I’ve never met Kevin Wilson…but I am more convinced each day that he will not only change the IU football program to make it a winner. But more important, he will change us, he will change our vision of Hoosier athletics, he will teach us about the game of football and he will give us knowledge to make us a more sophisticated, thinking, demanding Hoosier Republic.

    It’s just about time we shut up (and this includes me as a week to week fan) and let the professionals- Crean, Wilson, Glass do their job.

    So back to the question…-if your read this far, don’t write your stupid comment asking why this is so long. You should have quit and by passed it just looking at the layout stupid-… are Crean and Wilson (and I’ll add Glass)worth the money? At 4 million dollars each they will have been cheap when. And, by the way..pay the Yeagleys, the Counsilmans what they are worth. They are also the ones giving us validating ‘It’s Indiana’ with honor.

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    DA BEARS!!

  42. Tsao – see there are many times we agree. I am not afraid to admit when you make a good pts. I’ve made many of of those comments (less the internal Board insights) myself. I can’t believe I even read that entire post since I wasn’t a part of the discussion, but you sucked me in. Good stuff.

  43. Not for the sake of taking a side on the Lynch-Wilson argument for just for the purpose of setting the market, according to USA Today’s Database, there were four Big Ten coaches who reportedly made less money than Kevin Wilson did in 2011. Danny Hope ($925,000), Joe Paterno ($1,022,794), Luke Fickell (1,172,000) and Pat Fitzgerald (1,189,961) Fickell was obviously an interim coach and I promise Urban Meyer makes lots more. Bill O’Brien is making $950,000 base at PSU this year, but an additional $1.3 million for media appearances and Nike contract, so he’s well past that. Fitzgerald works at a private school and USA Today might not have his entire package, because in those cases, they usually take numbers from tax documents. Regardless, the point is that Wilson right now might be the second-lowest paid coach in the Big Ten. If Lynch had stayed and had not been given a raise, he would’ve been the lowest paid coach by close to $300,000 per year.
    Whether you think Wilson was the right guy or not, his tangible credentials at least put him in the market of coach Indiana could expect to attract. If you’re Indiana — and Fred Glass even said this — you’re looking at either a mid-major head coach (Read: MAC) or a coordinator from a major program. Which is a better call for which program is a point of contention, but the point is, Indiana hired a coach who at least had the surface credentials for the job and paid him a salary that was commensurate with what you’d expect from its station in college football, no more, no less.

  44. DD, An outsider reading some of these posts would have thought John Dillinger was coaching IU FB.

  45. DD, I don’t think this is a Lynch vs. Wilson issue. This is the same issue that comes up with every coach who drives up the hill on N. IN37. Our fans read the word ‘million(s)” and get anxiety asthma. Can not figure out who in the h___ can be paid anything with more than 5 zeros in it for anything, including leading Eli Lilly & Co.

    And, if we pay them more than $40,000 they want to know why they didn’t go at least 8-2 the first season in Bloomington and 10-0 the second season. It’s just who we are and we have to adjust our vision.

    Want proof. Look at how little Danny Hope is being paid at Purdue. Not to mention that Hope’s contract salary is probably fairly close to his net annual income (I’d guess within 70%). BTW, DD you know the figures provided cover only the contracted salary. There is probably quite a bit of private money (pushing product like shoe brands, camp money should be well into the six figures, personal appearances ($1000+ per with many, many local clubs and organizations willing to pay them, TV and radio money, advertising money…yara, yara, yara. With the exception of Hope, most other coaches in the Big Ten are making from near $2 million (overall compensation) to $4+ million.(Hope at Michigan has a contractual income of $3.2 million, yet many IU fans wanted to go after him. His salary would have been comparable to the number of coronaries had you published that number).

    My point is simple (it is definitely not a criticism of your post, I think it is a valuable post), we need to grow up. In many ways it saddens me to see what Hope is being paid at Purdue. Add it to all the gnashing of teeth over the salaries paid to HCs Crean and Wilson and it says a lot about the reality of what it means to be ‘competitive’. (Can’t wait to read the first post that will be written ‘shocked, b.s. shocked’ because $2 million is ‘too much to pay anybody’).

    (And, by the way…hope your publisher and editors understand their professional journalists -you, Graham, etal- should be paid similarly well. They charge me well).

  46. HC, Podunker…your posts got me thinking about a lot of this. I’d like to think that we can be who we’d like to be. Good posts from both. Should have said so earlier.

  47. Tsao,
    I’m not sure how often the numbers include shoe contracts/media money and how often they don’t. There’s usually at least an asterisk in cases where for some reason additional base income that comes from away from the school is unknown, and that’s more often the case in private schools. I believe the public institutions give the full figures, because Wilson’s total package — and by that I mean the total guaranteed money — is $1.25 million and that’s close to the number listed by USA Today. That’s including media and shoe deal, not including potential performance bonuses. I think — I don’t know but I think — there’s more money in Fitzgerald’s deal, but those were the numbers available from tax forms. I believe most of the state schools have both the base salary from the school and the media and shoe deals included.
    The money issue isn’t just an Indiana thing. I think it comes with the territory of coaches being considered state employees. That brings with it what is often the mistaken notion that money given to basketball and football coaches is being taken from a pool that would otherwise go to English professors or tutors or secretaries or even state government programs. In some cases, that’s theoretically true, as coaches get paid out of money raised by student fees or other university funds, but Indiana’s athletic department is almost entirely self-sufficient. (You remember that story. Basically, the university pays the electric bill and that’s the extent of it) That of course means the department is bringing in outside money from ticket revenue, television, bowl revenue, etc., and the coaches are being paid out of funds that simply would not be taken in by the university if there was not an athletic department. As a journalist, I certainly like the fact that they’re considered state employees because it allows me access to their contracts, but in a sense it probably isn’t fair. That injects them into the debate about what public institutions do with their money, when their money really comes from what fans decide to do independently with their entertainment dollars.

  48. Grossly overpaid compared to which other coach? Please, tell us what Crean’s salary should be.

    Crean should pay IU for letting him “coach”.

  49. Admission: Some ‘photoshopping’ did take place for purposes of visual enhancement in the Post #59 image showing the first meeting on the Bloomington campus between Bob Knight and Tom Crean.

    Here’s the photo presented in unaltered form(no extra shadowing or subtle distortions).

  50. Tom Crean’s Current Yearly Salary(plus perks, SUV gas, Clorox sanitary wipes, Coke machine money, etc) Cody’s First NBA Contract Dollars(with endorsements) = Proper 10-yr Contract Salary for Tom Crean

    Note: If this number is somehow a negative value, all money is to be refunded to Indiana University(minus cost of sanitary wipes).

  51. ..and here’s a dedication to Dustin. I tried to let him experience the rare chance at a memorable one-of-a-kind “bowl” while covering Hoosier football in Chicago.

    He declined with no response and no such interest. He must prefer Chris Korman crab cakes over anti-Establishment Clark Street fare. You’re welcome.

  52. Thanks Dustin, the actual amounts paid the coaches (and the actual income of professors) can be a pretty confusing and misleading subject. At best, trasnparency gets lost in any discussion. Probably for the reason you raise, whether coaches, professors or administrators, (in all but Northwestern) they are considered public State employees technically under the corporate control of politicians (legislatures) who get their money from the tax payers who are constantly hearing the State has no money to waste.

    (Note: Northwestern’s Pat Fitzgerald reportedly turned down more than 2.5 million to take over at Michigan. But Fitzgerald, who appears to be a legitimately gifted genius at what he does, was where he wanted to be and the money at Michigan meant exposing himself to pressures he could live without. Interestingly, Northwestern as a private institution seems to be more resistant to the flows of outside forces and retained its basketball coach Bill Carmody who most savvy people would agree has done a heck of a job keeping the Wildcats competitive. Would they have been able to do so had they been a ‘public institution’? I doubt it.)

    All in all, the actual coaching income will consist of the ‘air brushed’ public salary offered ‘for the record’ plus incomes that are part of the University’s athletic programs ‘other’ incomes (shoe and equipment contracts are very competitive and can easily reach the tens of millions of dollars; television money which now easily reaches tens of millions of dollars paid not to the public institution but to ear-marked set asides paid to Athletics). The question is whether the University derive significant income dripped through to the tax-paer owned institution.

    Of course, then the question here becomes how much of these derivative incomes are “passed through” in amounts that are added in some form to the coach’s salary. Nike, which made an art of the process (ironically, the company was started by a likely underpaid track coach- Bill Bowerman, I believe,- good for him) and now Adidas and a couple of minor players have made little effort to conceal the fact that they literally ‘buys’ their influence and the athletic departments ‘independence’ to suit their own marketing needs. The question is, how much of is above the table and dripped down to the society at large. I doubt if we have any idea.

    A ‘tipping point’ was probably reached with the creation of the Big Ten Network which shouldered into the monopoly of the tv networks. Now, the model is being copied by other conferences. That is, the ‘rights fee’ paid to the universities (or split by the conference) for television its games. Again, this is probably part of the money used to augment coach’s salaries without necessarily revealing it publicly since much of it is probably being paid to the school’s ‘Athletic Fund/Corporation’.

    And, in most cases the ‘Athletics Corporations’ are set up as private corporations that have no obligation to reveal the sources and expenditures of its income.

    Basically I agree with your view and I think you’ve done a great job of opening some of these issue over time. I am just saying is that the likelihood is that we are probably privy to about half the information we would need to figure out what people are being paid to perform their jobs as coaches. And, given the importance WE give them and impact of our perceptions of them week to week, it’s probably not enough even at four million dollars. A good example is the firing of Jim Tressel at Ohio State. Why would anyone accept having their life destroyed because some thugs decided to get their butts tattooed. (I agree with the concept that violators are violators…I’m just saying you’d have to pay me at least a million-a-year to have my life dependent on self-entitled spoiled teenagers and their behavior.

    One last point. The comparison with the ‘poor’ professors is not entirely valid either. I would imagine that more than 50% of the professors at the school of business, the department of economics, the math department, and other university departments make a significant part of their income in consultantships and advisor roles that can be extremely lucrative. And then, there is the money from grants and fees paid for research and expenses like travel etc… We are not exactly talking about the proletariat nor the downtrodden masses.

    What I do see, and clearly is that Indiana (until lucidity came to someone) and Purdue were at the bottom of the salary comparisons in the Big Ten. And, one last idea…to understand the dynamics you have to also look at the amounts being paid to the assistants in their staffs. I sincerely hope they are getting theirs. I do know the following. Coach Wilson, to his credit, has made the salaries of the staff a major issue in negotiations and in bringing across the point that the financial well being of the entire staff is as key as his own status.

    My dad, a great and wise man, used to tell me “never, never do your work of love for money; and never, never reject money for your work of love.”

  53. A momentous week…Not only did Indiana football surpass Northwestern in most losses a FBS team, but TsaoTsuG of Scoop finally caught Kelin Blab of Inside the Hall in total number pollyannaish Hoosier sports comments placed in boxes flushed into the internet wasteland.

    TsaoTsuG: 3975 Scoop entries
    Kelin Blab: 3969 ITH entries

    Of course, due to number of characters typed per post, the totals(in terms of dedicated time) are somewhat deceptive. Blab has spent the equivalent of 6 months his non-bedtime hours dedicated to ITH pollyanna hoops posts. Tsao, in terms of pancake football posts, has spent the equivalent of Geoff’s IQ converted into months(roughly 85).

  54. How in the _____ did I get envolved in this conversation?

    How in the _____ did you know I was back in Martinsville?

    How in the _____ many more days till Hoosier Basketball starts….

  55. It’s probably just “Steve in Ottawa” riding his favorite impostor bull.

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