Indiana just misses national seed, tournament field set

Indiana learned its NCAA Tournament fate on Monday afternoon, the Hoosiers apparently just missed out on one of the top eight national seeds, as their region was paired with that of No. 7 seed Florida State. In their own region, the top-seeded Hoosiers will play No. 4 seed Valparaiso in their opener on Friday. No. 2 seed Austin Peay and No. 3 seed Florida are the other teams in the bracket.

More to come.

UPDATE: The NCAA release on the bracket is here. This is a look at the entire bracket. This is Indiana’s regional bracket specifically. Florida and Austin Peay play at 1 p.m. on Friday to begin the tournament and Indiana plays Valparaiso at 7 p.m. on Friday. Tickets go on sale on Tuesday morning.


  1. Tough draw. Keep an eye one the weather forecast. We need cool weather to make Florida as uncomfortable as possible.

  2. Unless the temperature is below 32, the Florida guys will feel like Superman here in the cooler weather. They would probably enjoy a little snow if possible. (said after 35 summers in Florida)

  3. What’s the story with Austin Peay? They have a stellar record but whenever I hear about them in the NCAA basketball tourney they usually get wiped out as a #16 seed. Does someone baseball level the playing field for smaller schools?

    Also, I’m assuming the Florida AD will travel with his team and Glass will strike up a conversation with him about doing something in basketball & football?

  4. The playing field is less slanted in terms of big school-small school in baseball as it is South-North. There are a lot of small southern and western conferences (The Big West, SoCon, Southland, etc.) that tend to put multiple teams in the tournament because being able to play outside all season long is a significant draw. There are Florida community colleges that could win the Big Ten some years. I’m not sure what to make of Austin Peay from an initial glance, because they’re not all that southern. They didn’t play a great schedule in the Ohio Valley Conference, but they rolled over the teams they did play even in non-conference, which included taking two of three from Michigan State. They’ve won 15 straight going into the tournament, they’re hitting .315 as a team and they appear to have a couple of really good pitchers. Not sure how they came across this talent or how it will translate in an NCAA regional, but they’ve got players and at least against the competition they’ve been facing, they win.

  5. Valparaiso has some of the worst winters in the Midwest(part of Lake Michigan’s southern snowbelt). Then again, Northwest Indiana’s small communities turn out superb all-around athletes. We had a fabulous baseball coach back in the day at Chesterton H.S. Baseball was quite popular within my circle of childhood friends…Being close to Chicago(receiving the Chicago TV stations before the days of cable to watch the Cubs and White Sox games)may have influenced the passion in the young blood to take to the summer grass with the Louisville sluggers and the Spalding gloves.

    I had many classmates that lettered in three sports. Our star H.S. QB was also one hell of a pitcher on the varsity baseball team.

    I hope there’s no karma in the Valpo vs. IU baseball match-up carrying over from booting Capo off of the basketball team.

  6. Single game Baseball ticket price seems resonable if not downright cheap.

    And IU Basketball season tickets are sold out. Is that normal this early?

  7. I got to watch most of both games this weekend. Great fun. Can’t help but wonder, though, if the four double plays in Friday night’s loss might have cost us that national seed. Oh well, I’ll be cheering for us regardless. Go Big Red.

  8. Punjab, doesn’t sound like they put too much emphasis on the tournaments. FSU went 0-4 this week and got a national seed. Oregon didn’t help itself by losing at Utah in its final game. Biggest issue was strength of schedule. Other three teams in the running had 25 or better. IU was No. 71. And there’s not much IU can do about that. They put Florida and Louisville on the schedule and took on the non-conference tournaments they could take on. Just not easy for a northern team to break through. Hosting, though, is a heck of an accomplishment considering.

  9. Sometimes when it is very quiet, with a slight northern wind, pause and listen. You may hear Harvard counting..

  10. Dustin, you’re absolutely right about the north-south thing. Growing up, I loved baseball as much if not more than basketball (which is really saying something for a Bloomington yokel like me.) I was shocked when I moved to Charleston, SC and saw how passionate they are about their hardball down there. March Madness was a side note in the sports pages because, well, Clemson and USC were both ramping up to take the diamond. It’s just a different culture. Baseball is in a southerner’s blood– much like hoops up here and hockey further north– which makes Indiana’s run this year even more remarkable. Very proud of our Hoosiers.

  11. To recruit baseball players against Big Ten Teams, all the coaches from other conferences need to do is show a replay of the Big Ten tournament and point out the lack of people sitting in the stands at Target Field. Then, in contrast, show the recruit the SEC tournament and the support it got from fans. What a joke to have played the tournament up in Minneapolis. Crappy weather and no fan support was what was on display in Minneapolis.

    The Big Ten Commissioner needs to do a better job of selecting locations for such events. I would suggest a site where no Major League Baseball teams are located. Perhaps a triple-A stadium. I know Indy is busy that time of year with the 500, but there had to be several locations that would have produced a better turnout for the games. I’ve seen more people attend t-ball games than were in Target Filed for the finals.

  12. Punjab, not to disagree with you but I grew up all over SC and my mother/sister lives in Charleston now with friends in Columbia. I went to the biggest high school in the state and baseball was not near as big as football, basketball, or track and field. I don’t think it is any bigger down south, I really don’t. I do think maybe states like Florida and Texas and California promote it more but mainly this is all from the college level…facilities and coaches at the college level in southern states are better. The feeder systems may be better down south or west like the P 15 league out of Sumter SC. After watching Bloomington North and South play the last 15 years I would say they are on par with the biggest southern state high schools. To say it is in a southerners blood…NO, that is FOOTBALL!!!

    I agree with DD about the climate down south having an impact but emphasis is just as big in the midwest…my opinion anyway!

  13. Why are crowds at college sports contests even important to the athlete?

    If the sole intent in putting on any uniform is to merely impress scouts, make a draft list, or achieve “the dream” of making it to the professional level of the sport, can’t that be done without crowds?

    When we build large college stadiums would the thousands of seats be filled with consistency if every athlete had such little attachment to the university as to leave after only one or two years?

    Does the one-and-done athlete warrant the investment in facilities? If championships are becoming less and less important to an athlete increasingly driven by the huge professional contracts/salaries and thus more individualistic in their mindset and goals, should we not also begin to rethink the investment it takes to fill massive facilities and maintain mega college sports machines?

    What will happen to the internal drive of an athlete to dream the highest dream, work endless hours at perfecting skills to reach the elite status of a professional, if the attendance in high school and college become less and less full as fans become as easily numbed by the detachment of their cheers influencing much of anything?

    Can an inventive AD find a way to fill seats and turn profits while building something that fans feel their cheers fall upon ears on the field/court that care?

    Has anyone noticed how quickly massive crowds go silent in NBA games? No matter the jaw-dropping talent on the floor, there still is a thirst for something more. They go through the motions and play the role of passionate fan, but in the eyes of this observer it’s all becoming like a game show…the emotions are prompted and scripted. Soon there will be “applause” signs to prompt the crowd to get loud upon the return of live cameras following one of those numerous commercial breaks that butchers the flow and natural highs and lows that should fill the air.

    There will be consequences to what we’re creating. There will be consequences in all the rankings and numbers put to names…There will be consequences in the concentrated focus given so disproportionately to the high school prima donnas…There will be consequences. You’re hearing it in the longer pauses of silence at stadiums filled with numb fans. The games have been taken over by pundits and numbers and prima donnas…Soon a fan in the crowd will wonder what the cheer offers to sport. Soon the dreamers in the stands will feel the dreamers on the field don’t give a damn.

  14. For purposes of Jeremy’s utmost “transparency,” most of you will be happy to know that my freedoms to post are merely empty claims to a semblance of freedom.

    Everything is restricted by character limits. Jeremy and Dustin have determined long ago that I have very little character, and thus it now appears my posts will be continually screened, modified, and evaluated by those with more character desiring to turn Harvard posts into a Bill Cosby jello pudding commercial.

  15. Going to split the difference between J Pat and Punjab here. I don’t think the interest in the game of baseball as a whole is any different in the north than the south or any more in a southerner’s blood. But the combination of climate and the school calendar give southern schools an overwhelming advantage, and that creates more interest in the South because certain teams are almost always in the tournament and usually in the running to go to Omaha. The reality of college baseball in the North is that you can’t schedule a home game for the first month of the season. There’s snow on the ground. It’s not doable and if you get a day when it isn’t snowing, it’s cold and no one wants to sit out and watch baseball anyway. In the South in February, going out to watch a baseball game sounds like a pretty good idea.
    The only option is pushing the start date back so that you’re playing more of the season in the summer, but then you’re playing much of your season when the students are out of town and you’re also hurting the summer wooden bat circuits, which really do matter for these kids in terms of their professional hopes. But college baseball isn’t bigger in the South because they like the game more, it’s because the logistics of it work in their favor.

  16. Next year, the B1G tournament will be played at TD Ameritrade Park in Omaha, NE…home of the College World Series. I think the croud will be better there. I agree, though, The Vic in Indy would be a great place to hose the B1G Tournament.

    Anyone else, besides me, purchased their tickets? I’m looking forward to a great weekend of Hoosier Baseball!

  17. OK. Seen the 1-2-3 forward. Seen the 1-2-3 backward. Now try it with eyes closed. (welcome back) (& front)

  18. Agreed. And JPat, my time in Charleston was limited to just one year, spanning ’01-’02. I wouldn’t argue that the enthusiasm I saw for baseball at the time might have had as much to do with Clemson and USC being ranked #1and 2 as it did the hematological makeup of the general populace. I just noticed that the degree of interest in the game was exponentially higher than anything I experienced growing up in Indiana. Talked to many a sports bar patron while I was their, and they agreed. I may have just been there at a special time. Who knows? But baseball– especially college baseball– just seemed bigger down south.

    I think you’re right about football, too. Just don’t tell that to any of our neighbors in the Buckeye state

  19. Even Bobby Knight couldn’t get Texans to desire hardwood on a Friday night more than lights in the big Texas sky over the gridiron. The best coach in the nation couldn’t convince the top basketball players to play the hardwood game at a state that primarily eats, drinks, and sleeps football.

    Try as you may in Indiana…try as you may. Football and baseball will always be experiments and never find the same passion Hoosiers feel for the hardwood and hoops game so long and traveled in our bloodlines. They tried to even the playing field by butchering our state high school tournament, but nothing has changed. Indiana continues to be the chosen womb for hoops.

    We fooled ourselves into thinking ND could compete with the football powerhouses of the South. We saw how that turned out.

    And now we’re beginning to recruit more and more hoop stars from the East…Big mistake. All efforts should be made to keep every bit of Hoosier high school b-ball talent closest to the womb of where our strengths will always flourish best. With rare exception a truly unique and loyal talent, I would recruit a 3-star from Indiana before any name via the East Pipeline.

  20. I sometimes wonder if Zeller would have been so inclined to enter the draft this year without the presence of a projected future NBA star and teammate taking the risk averse route in doing the same…?

    Was it easier to do the sensible thing, move onward when the draft stock is high, put forever to bed the lofty dreams of bringing a sixth banner to McCracken, delay the honest return of Indiana to true elite status found in Final Four trips, remove the personal stigma of coming up short where all fans thought the end-game of a “Movement” should/would properly conclude, when another “star” teammate is also choosing to exit college early in pursuit of the NBA dream?

    If Oladipo would have been given less national attention and put on the covers of magazines as the next D-Wade, is it possible Cody would have stayed another year. Would Cody have felt he abandoned Indiana if he were the only integral piece of a future banner run leaving early?

  21. Here’s another really uninteresting pondering… If peanuts had emotions would they feel embarassed and naked after I ate the candy coated shell and spit them out?

    So Harvard, this is what it looks like when home-grown 3-star talent meets 5-star, blue blood recruits:

    And I’m all about keeping the best in-state players at home, but Crean can’t make those decisions for the kids… and he’s not supposed to offer them money.

  22. Harvard, post #24 just isn’t true. Your constant need to disparage all other sports in Indiana is simply a way for you to try to will your own personal belief into existence, because you don’t like to talk about other sports and would rather no one else on the Scoop did either.

    Hoosier fans may love basketball above else, but that in no way means that baseball or football are destined to fail. Most Hoosier fans, in fact, are also rabid Colts fans and occasionally Cubs/Cardinals/Reds fans. Any red-blooded Hoosier would tell you that they would love to see a good IU football team, soccer team, baseball team etc.; pride in one’s alma mater transcends a single sport. I believe that Hoosier fans look up on the two sport powerhouses like the Michigans, OSUs and Wisconsins of the world with admiration/envy, and would love to be in that place. I certainly do.

    By the same token, ask fans of a southern football powerhouse like Alabama, Georgia or LSU about basketball, and I guarantee they will all admit that while hoops is a distant #2 down there, it still plays a role in the school’s athletic image and provides an important diversion during the football offseason.

  23. Not disparaging the other sports.

    I simply don’t believe any consistent national attention will ever happen for football at IU. Once in a blue moon? Sure, it’s possible that we get to a Cheetos Bowl every ten years. I would love to see a Cheetos Bowl happen under Wilson. I love the story of the underdog that gets a shot a Goliath..Couldn’t be any worse than the bloodbath witnessed when ND found itself lined up against Bama.

    But talking about emotional attachment to anything cream and crimson that takes to a field is far different than perceptions a national audience removed from your ideal of balanced major sports.

    Recruiting top talent to play football at Indiana(much of which must come from bordering states with far more storied football programs) is a tall order for even the most highly respected coach with a long resume of winning.

    Basketball is our lifeblood to staying in the national headlines. That’s why I thought we had some young men that would do all they could to truly put Indiana back into the elite crowd of basketball programs. I thought they would stick to the mission and stay for whatever duration their eligibility would allow in turning “Movements” into banners. I thought we had kids that believed “Because it’s Indiana” wasn’t just a cheap slogan for the press.

    Wilson may earn every dime his salary, but Tom Crean will always be at the forefront of the program in the national headlines. It’s basketball…It’s Indiana…It’s the coach with true charisma. It’s Bobby Knight on ESPN..It’s Tom Crean chasing villains at Michigan games..Every headline is dominated by hoops. Our b-ball resurgence(though far from complete)coming on the back of Cody Zeller’s commitment was just another nail in football irrelevancy coffin. We may care, but the nation does not.

    Hell, even our most respected Scoop blogger from Maine is all about hoops. Ask him how much all Establishment friends talk about IU football?

  24. The irony in the Oladipo-Zeller discussion, Harvard, is that if the national media had conspired to collectively ignore a story about a player who went from a three-star recruit to a first team All-American and potential top-five pick in order to try to influence Cody Zeller to stay in Indiana, then you would have actual evidence of a colluding media Establishment.

  25. Harvard- is Geoff the Scoop’s “most respected blogger”? Clarion, Mike P, JPat and Aruss have all been here a lot longer, and are devout football fans and followers.

    Even your use of “Cheetos Bowl” is disparagement, as if some minor bowl game were the final ceiling for IU football.

  26. Regarding the north/south baseball thing. This season the best team in the county (just the county, mind you) is TC Roberson. On their roster are players that, so far, have committed to Georgia, North Carolina, Clemson, Wake Forest, Liberty, UNC-Asheville, and a number of smaller programs.

    A while back they had a top 10 draft pick (Cameron Maybin. I remember him parking a Roger Clemmons pitch over the center field wall in Yankee Stadium as a rookie.) and have put a few others into the majors.

    I don’t think they’ve ever won a state championship and they have lost to several other teams in the county this season.

    Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t recall teams with that kind of roster when I was in high school in Indiana.

  27. I think the media collectively over-hyped Oladipo. Once the train leaves, they all follow down the same track. When all is said and done, I don’t think he’ll make any bigger mark on the NBA than Bobby Wilkerson….or Eric Gordon…or Jared Jeffries….or Kent Benson…or Steve Alford….or the myriad of Hoosiers(many All-Americans) that have gone to the NBA in the past 30 years(other than McGinnis and Isiah) and faded into background a sea of supreme talent.

    I don’t care how many stars or how high Dipo and Zeller go in the draft…Dipo has a ton of offensive weaknesses in his game. Zeller will make no more impact than Tyler Hansbrough on the Pacers. Hope they don’t squander the early big bucks. They were both over-hyped. Any sort of major injury could set them both even further down the curve. Neither are anywhere near the talent a kid like Eric Gordon…And who was voting to put EJ into an All-Star game when he was one of the top scoring guards in his second year?

    If they wanted true immortality, they’d stayed in a Hoosier uniform, ignored the press that was over-hyping their talents, and brought a sixth banner to McCracken. They bought into the machine of hype. Long live their days in front of the plastic numb crowds of millionaires that can afford to watch them live out their so-called dreams. …Not “Because it’s Indiana,” but because dollar signs mean more than legacy and making IU truly “elite” again.

    Back-to-back Sweet 16’s…Yippee. Duke has something like 20 out of the last 27 years of making beyond a Sweet 16.

    Yes, the Establishment over-hyped both these kids. They’ll likely over-hype Crean’s accomplishments for the next 10 years. They don’t want IU hanging banners. They want us to fill the streets of Kirkwood Square over Sweet 16’s and NBA draft picks that will fade faster than a Tom Crean tan.

  28. That sixth foul on LeBron was a complete embarrassment to the NBA. Please tell me it’s not all about money and extending a series so the networks can capitalize on the extra dollars. What a disgrace to the league.

    Add that to the horrendous call and the shenanigans at Miami(the foul against the Heat to send game two into overtime)..? Wow…just…wow. There needs to be a thorough investigation of an NBA overflowing with obvious corruption.

  29. He tripped Lance Stephenson, man, clearly. LeBron pulled an Elston on him. Go back and look at it again. The Pacers are the better team. For El BeJay to trip Stephenson of all people it’s clear The Heat are hurtin’. Pacers the better team. (The refs blew an earlier call when they called a 24 second violation on a basket scored by Hansbrough when it was clear the ball had hit the rim).

  30. Here, take a look.

    James received his sixth foul with 56 seconds remaining in regulation when he was whistled for setting an illegal screen on Lance Stephenson. He attempted to set a screen for Dwyane Wade at the top of the key and approached Stephenson from the left. James stuck out his left leg and stepped on Stephenson’s left foot as the Pacers guard attempted to fight over the top of the screen. Wade crossed over from his right to his left, ignoring the screen, but James was whistled for his sixth foul of the game anyway, necessitating the automatic ejection.

    Nuggets in six!

  31. That gets called a foul all the time… James should have fouled out of both Game 1 and Game 2 as well. He never should have been in the game to make the last second shot to win Game 1… He clearly committed his 6th foul twice in the last couple minutes, but the refs were too chickensh1t to call obvious fouls.

    Reffing in the NBA playoffs is brutal. LeBron just gets away with a ridiculous amount of physical play on the court. D-Wade is probably the biggest crybaby/flopper in the entire league.

  32. I thought the fifth foul on James was also extremely suspect. It appeared Hibbert took steps before initiating the contact into LeBron.

    And the foul called on D-Wade on George’s desperation 3-pointer in the overtime of game 1 was admittedly one of the worst calls ever witnessed by even the Pacers radio announcers. It would have been criminal if the Pacers would have won that game as a result of that fixed whistle.

    I’m not a Heat fan. I pretty much despise everything that franchise represents. I can’t stand the numerous times a cameraman finds Pat Riley in the stands. I get sick of the analysts attempts to continually compare LeBron to MJ. First get six championships..then start talking of the true ‘king.’

    All that being said, I still believe some of the calls have been pure gifts for the Pacers. I don’t want to see the Pacers win that way. There is something very seedy going on with the officiating.

  33. LeBron just gets away with a ridiculous amount of physical play on the court.

    Rather surprising statement coming from someone that so ardently defended Shaq’s bulldozing game over the finesse of Chamberlain.

    Don’t you tend to believe the superstars always get overly scrutinized? I’ll never forget how much Pacers’ fans and Indy announcers could never shut up about MJ pushing off to get free on a jumper….(as if the tiny subtle tricks were the permitted cheating that allowed a man to become a god on the hardwood).

  34. LJ gets away with many violations. This Pacers series only proves it.

  35. I went sour on the NBA years ago, but the Pacers are really drawing me back in.

    I dont’ mind the LeBron- MJ comparisons, just as I didn’t mind the Kobe-MJ comparisons. Actually, I kind of like seeing how petulant the Bulls fans (Harvard) and bandwagon Jordan lovers (like Geoff) get when people dare to suggest that there are other players who may have had, or will have, a similar impact on the game to the Great Gambler and Byron Russell Slammer.

  36. Watched “Django Unchained” with the wife instead of the game last night, then fell asleep before Sportscenter looped back around to the highlights. (Great movie by the way– even a squeamish wife who can’t truly appreciate gratuitous Tarantino blood splatter really enjoyed it.) I only got to see the tail end of Steven A Smith ranting about how the Heat will play like a team possessed and storm away with game five. So I can’t comment about last night specifically, But I’ll echo HC and other’s comments that LeBron routinely (ab)uses his freakish physical gifts to the max extent the refs let him get away with it, then looks despondent when he actually gets called for his violations. There is no clearer example than when he bulldozed a much smaller Heinrich (sp?) in the Bulls series and feigned outrage that Heinrich wasn’t charged a flagrant for wrapping. He wasn’t tackling you, LeBron; he was holding on for dear life after you ran him over on the fast break.

    I won’t go so far as to say the Pacers are the better team. I think the Heat are one of the most talented in the history of the game. But it’s pretty clear the Pacers are tougher. Whether toughness and tenacity are enough to overtake talent in this seven game series remains to be seen, but even a casual NBA fan should recognize that Pacers probably deserve this a little more.

  37. Harvard – I have never defended the bulldozing game of Shaq OVER the finesse of Wilt.

    When you write sentences like that you expose your fatal flaw… You get so caught up in the emotion of your point of view, that you completely misunderstand what the other person is saying. It leads to you exaggerating and mis-quoting and mis-representing what others say.

    Mariner – I’m not sure how I qualify as a band-wagon MJ fan… What does that even mean? You could definitely call me a bandwagon Bulls fan, since I was really only a fan of them while Jordan played there. Was I also a bandwagon “Lost” fan… I mean I was not a loyal FOX viewer before the show, and while I view some show on the station now, I prefer other stations… However, when “Lost” was on it was my favorite TV show, and now that’s its off the air I will still debate with anyone that it was the most entertaining show of the last 30 years. I still am looking for the next “Lost” and every TV show gets unfairly compared to it in my head.

    So I guess I’m a bandwagon Jordan fan, a bandwagon “Lost” fan, and a bandwagon of Sublime… Because I only liked them after they came onto the scene. I should have been a fan of them before they existed… My bad.

    But as an aside – I do thing LeBron belongs in a conversation with Jordan. He does things on a court that no be has ever been able to do before. Mentally he hasn’t approached Jordan yet, but his physically game and skill-set are just as good, if not better.

  38. Has there ever been an invention that is, all at once, really helpful and time saving AND extremely annoying and inefficient as Predictive Text?

  39. Oh and Punjab, I think I may have actually said this on the Scoop after seeing Django… Thought it was the best movie I’d seen in the last 5 years. You get an hour into the movie, and you’re like “man this is good…”, but you haven’t even gotten to DiCaprio’s character yet. There is still another level to go up to!

  40. Geoff, the “Lost” analogy doesn’t work with sports/MJ, because sports, unlike TV shows, are driven by regional and family loyalties; you root for a team because it’s your hometown team, your alma mater, your Dad cheered for them, etc.

    You may like a TV show because it’s “the best,” “the most popular,” or the highest quality. Who doesn’t like Breaking Bad or Game of Thrones, after all? But sports doesn’t work that way – at least in my book. True sports fans don’t simply cheer for the best player/team of all time simply because they are the best; their connection to a team is rooted in something more authentic. These are certainly a type of “bandwagon fan” – there is no regional/familial loyalty behind the team they cheer for. If you want a textbook example, look at FC Barcelona “fans” around the world these days. Bulls “fans” of the 90’s were the same.

    I grew up between LA and Seattle, and both the Sonics and Lakers were unfortunate enough to run into MJ in the finals. Believe it or not, in both cities, no joke, there were so-called Laker and Sonic “fans” who actually cheered for the Bulls to win the series. I’ll never lose my disdain for these types.

  41. Let me add that I absolutely loved MJ as an adversary, but nothing more. Like the Yankees and the Patriots, he made the playoffs so much more fun (and frustrating) for the opposition. He was the ultimate Goliath to conquer.

    But in the end MJ only strengthened my respect for those who had to battle against him – the Magic Johnsons, Joe Dumars, Mark Prices, Karl Malones, and Sam Perkins whose own careers were sent into the twilight in the shadow of Jordan.

  42. LeBron could play for a hundred years and not hit(nor have the stones to take) half the clutch shots MJ drained in his career. And Kobe would need to play for a hundred and fifty to do what MJ did without a premier center in the middle plowing his gargantuan frame and truck-wide ass into defenders for cheap buckets.

    And I love how people try to tear Jordan down on some of the “character” issues…But a married man banging a teenage maid in a hotel room is just fine. But storming into a crowd to start a fist fight with a fan is just lovely…”I’m rehabilitated now…I had World Peace put on the back of my jersey.”

    You’ll never find a bronze statue of LeBron in front of a Cleveland arena. And my guess would be that Mark Price would do 24 hours of riverboat gambling with MJ before desiring 30 seconds in the presence of King ‘Pack up the Winnebego’ James.” Loyalty means a lot to fans that have suffered through decades of teams that always seemed to come up short…The Bulls had plenty of those decades before MJ came to Chicago. MJ stuck it out and carried the Bulls…He got the living crap kicked out of him until the other pieces came to the Bulls roster that built the dynasty teams that went on to win two three-peats. It didn’t happen overnight for MJ. He stayed true to Chicago and the Bulls when he could have played the Broadway scene of NY or under the Hollywood lights to schmooze with the celebrities in LA.

    Flawless character? There ain’t many. At least MJ smoked his cigars rather than using them on a blue dress inside the oval office. At least MJ stayed loyal to the jersey and to the city. Loyalty is big to a Chicagoan. Jordan didn’t need to chase fame. Jordan sucked it into his blood like vacuum.

  43. Like I said..I would love nothing more than to watch the Pacers down the Heat.

    Only wish the Pacers didn’t have that dorky dweeb from NC on their team. Love George Hill…Maybe not all the gifts and size, but he’s savvy and crafty as all hell.

    Love the fact that little ol’ Broad Ripple H.S. is being represented on the big stage. Didn’t we have a shot at putting a Broad Ripple H.S. kid in a Hoosier uniform…? I think we got a D-Wade, Eastern Establishment, recruit instead..I could be wrong.

    1. Harvard,
      By all accounts, that dorky dweeb from UNC should be your hero. He’s the shining example of a player who stayed all four years to pursue the immortality of a national championship, even after winning national player of the year as a junior. Hansbrough recognized the difference between the glory of college and the mediocrity of an NBA career.

  44. College career

    Despite receiving scholarship offers from several big conference schools including Temple and Indiana, he chose to commit to IUPUI, wishing to stay with his ailing great-grandfather, Gilbert Edison. A few months after he verbally agreed to attend IUPUI, his great-grandfather died, never getting the opportunity to see Hill play basketball at the college level. Following the advice of his great-grandfather, who told him to always be ‘a man of his word’, he decided to pass on other offers and stay at IUPUI.

    Loyalty..Keeping your word. Staying true to the jersey though it may never bring you the most fame.

  45. Jeremy-

    Those are great points…It’s just residual hate for anything blue(other than those that played for the Bulls). Please don’t ban me for the many hypocrisies found in my opinions.

    I think it’s also all the years of listening to Dickie V on broadcasts slobbering all over Knight, and before putting his tongue back in his mouth, he’d spend the next five minutes slobbering all over Hansborough.

    I also think Tyler plays a bit dirty. Bless his heart…He’s from NC. I think Dakich could have shut him down.

  46. Harvard… RE: your last point in post #49, yes, you are wrong. By the way, for humor’s sake, who was the Eastern Establishment Pipeline recruit that stole Buss’s roster spot?

    Jeremy “Priceless” – once again exposing the hypocrisy of Harvard.

    Mariner – interesting point… I agree to a large degree with what you’re saying, but don’t think it is universal:

    For soccer fans there is no local or even regional equivalent to FC Barcelona or Manchster United… If they are die hard soccer fans they have to identify with some team, so that rule can’t apply.

    In my father’s case, he grew up in Indiana and was partial to the Bulls, although not a big NBA fan. He’s a huge Bears fan. There was no, and still isn’t a MLB team, so my father grew up watching the game of the week on TV and fell in love with Willie Mays… He has been a Giants fan for close to 60 years even though he never lived out west. Not sure you can call him a bandwagon fan.

    As for me, I didn’t like the NBA as a kid. I only cared about IU basketball. Then in 1985 or so my world got rocked by Michael Jordan. I had never experienced anything like that. He captured my imagination and made me dream. I had no allegiances, and more importantly I didn’t have a rival hatred of the Bulls.. My father was a bit of a Bulls fan… Transitioning to becoming a huge fan myself was easy and natural. You can call me a bandwagon Jordan fan if you like, but I watched every single game from 85-97.. I cried with relief and joy when he made the shot over Ehlo… I punched the couch in frustration when they couldn’t overcome the Pistons… I partied when they won championships…

    There was nothing about my Jordan fandom that was insincere and not felt to the core. That’s what I call bandwagon… Hitching yourself to a team for insincere reasons, or having any real personal stake in how they fare. Losing interest when things aren’t going well. So by my definition, I can accept being called a bandwagon Bulls fan, but not a bandwagon Jordan fan.

  47. I’d bet Tyler H. would have great difficulty with that summer program we used to execute Ron Patterson from a Hoosier roster. Then again, that’s just a personal cruel opinion after listening to his version of “Chicken Little.”

    And I’ll bet my last dollar that Ron Patterson knows the difference between a ‘corn’ and an ‘acorn.’

    Just have to share this old article I stumbled upon. So, so disgraceful how we managed to drain out the passion that used to be in our storied, one-of-a-kind, high school basketball tournament.

    1. HforH,
      I don’t know why I dignify this with a response. I’m not banning you for hypocrisy, because you’re only making yourself look bad. Tyler is from Poplar Bluff, Missouri (population 17,000), which might not be that different than say Chesterton, Indiana (population 13,000), home of Mitch McGary. But Mitch, known to be something less than mensa level, is your hero, while Tyler is less than Ron Patterson, who knew he was on thin ice and still failed to apply himself sufficiently. Yet if Hansbrough had played for four years at IU and won a national championship for the Hoosiers, he would be your gold standard, Chicken Little be darned.

  48. Geoff- you are a sincere dude, and your responses are always convincing. I can see how you adopted the Bulls; I agree that not having a local rival team to support probably played a strong role in how you were able to become such a fan. But you are also a Pats fan, so it’s not as if liking the Bulls because they are the best is a localized, one-time incident for you.

    As for me I’ve always been the type of person to support the underdog; I think some personalities are simply born that way. Jordan’s clutch shooting only made me empathize for Craig Ehlo and Byron Russel even more. I found much more intrigue in watching Gary Payton (“The Glove”) develop the momentary courage to trash-talk Michael than watching Jordan break hearts over and over again. Ill always get more pleasure from those athletic moments when a supposed lesser player takes on a impenetrable foe. Except of course when my home teams are involved. The , I could care less about parity and hope for a blowout every time.

  49. As for me I’ve always been the type of person to support the underdog

    Well, hallelujah…Now the planets are finally in alignment. Your Lakers are finally moving into a disjointed, scratch and claw, “underdog” status to find a home in your true ’empathizing’ persona.

    I get so melancholic when I think of all those “underdog” years of a Bulls team in the early 70’s with Tom Boerwinkle trying to contain Chamberlain…And then that piece of chopped liver “underdog” named Alcindor came along…Who did we have on the Bulls to dominate the Lakers then…? Hmmm? Was it Nate Thurmond? Artis Gilmore? And then we move forward more decades and the Lakers get this Peewee Herman dude in the middle named Shaq – the first NBA player to actually be so wide as to never be whistled for 3-seconds in the paint ….

    Gosh, I love loving underdogs. That’s why I’m a bandwagon Lakers fan.

  50. I was born in LA and lived there till I was 15, Hardfart. Didn’t u read my post about regional loyalties? Of course not; you only read others’ posts selectively; you are too in love with yourself to read thoroughly.

  51. Interesting thread. Happy thread!…

    Indiana wins its first B1G Championship since 1932, the B1G Tournament, barely missed being seeded #1, named to host the NCAA regional on its brand new state-of-the art baseball stadium and this thread begins celebrating so…through #22.

    Several contributors celebrate the results of a great Hoosier team;first Big Ten championship since 1932. Eight-one years! And, the B1G tournament. An accomplisment. You bet, mind blowing!

    Ssome even speculate on how this may actually lead the Hoosiers surge in other sports’… a rebirth of football just as the B1G is restructured and a new football culture begins to sprout under CKW. Hoosiers success in other programs; such as the unequaled historical treasures and pre-eminence in swimming and diving, and the seventh (eighth?…I forget)national championship in world’s most popular sport, soccer. And, our traditional competitiveness in tennis and golf…track and field, cross country…

    Many sought out the Hoosier Scoop, not as just another ‘expert’ sport blog for frustrated ‘wannabe’ coaches, but a blog where we could all wear our Cream and Crimson passion, recall the trdition of success and being surrounded in the stands sharing one thought, one shout, one feeling…Hoosiers!

    Like the picture of the crowd overrunning the floor at Assembly Hall barely two years ago. Nothing saidbeing a Hoosier better than that picture.

    And, it’s how we feel about all Hoosier sports! It’s enough that they are Hoosier! Football, basketball, soccer, track and field, swimming, cross-country, tennis, golf, crew, wrestling…B1G championship baseball

    Hijacked, kidnapped. Why?!!… Harvard, why maneuver on the attack to change the entire subject of this great, celebratory thread on baseball. As Mariner notices and rightly points out, Harvard frequently uses is self-absorbed paranoia and his obsessive writing and arguments to re-direct the blog. What’s the point?

    Why equally obsessive contributors hijack entire discussions, sequester threads to personal obsessions? It’s Indiana..! No!?? It’s not about Indiana basketball; it’s is about the NBA? Please!!! Hoosier heroes, who grew up shooting at a rim nailed to a tree or crashing against a barn wall, Hoosier legends reduced and diminished to discussions of the NBA? Please!!! NBA or not…the banners on the wall are about real Hoosiers when they were OUR Hoosiers. Who really gives a good **** about the NBA?

    What’s the point? As Mariner suggests, this blog has been taken over and does little, if anything, to celebrate what ought to be it’s heart, it’s about Hoosiers?

    Why?… Yes, partially trolls who find it is an easy blog to hijack. Why…one theory, because of misguided (or intentionally non-existing moderation (yes,the word is ‘moderating’ DD and Jeremy). Moderators moderate.

    Many of us readers sought out the HT’s “The Scoop” seeking a place to narrow the distance from each other, exchange thoughts and discussion that satisfy our need to touch with others who feel the same passion for Our Indiana; all Hoosier, athletics and to recall our Hoosier experiences. even argue, but about the Hoosiers. What do I care if Shack if fat? Or NBA players have IQ’s over 90?

    I’ll always remember ‘Dipo and Zeller and ‘The Bell” and Wittman and Downing (and Mc Ginnis and Thomas- both Isaiah and Jim) because they were Hoosiers. For the same reason we rush the floor in one giant tsunami of red at Assembly Hall. For the same reason we hung at Nicks or the Union.

    Because I’m a Hoosier. And part of me also hangs on the banner on that wall. And, why even now, decades after we walked the campus we continue to live somewhat driven by the hope (and our prayer)some day (soon) we will flood the ‘carpet’ on Memorial Stadium to celebrate the success that announces IU as a national football power. And continue to grow with pride when we hear of American Hoosier heroes like Olympic champions like Greg Bell, Spivey and now Drouin; the Mark Spitz’, Charlie Hickox, Gary Halls, Alan Summers, Cynthia Potters and literally dozens of others (no other university in the world even comes close) in a state where Lake Lemon is actually considered a large body of water.

    And, in an American heartland where the world’s biggest sport saw stars like Angelo Di Bernardo, Armando Betancourt, even local kids like Todd Yeagley, the son of a legendary Hoosier coach Jerry, was weaned like his sport in America on Hoosier ground.

    This why we found and came to the Scoop.

    Slowly, it’s being sequestered. It’s no longer ‘ours’. One by one, I’ve noticed Hoosier fans who are Crimson through and through fans, tied together by a Crimson umbilical cord to continue their journey at the Scoop, just to be and to feel other Hoosier fans; silently, shrugging their shoulders and walking away…resigned and sadly.

    When gardens aren’t tendered and watered, they die. Sad indeed.

  52. If you loved the Bulls like I loved them as a kid…If you watched through the many years of unheralded greats like Bob Love, Chet Walker, Norm Van Lier…If you went through the gut wrenching disappointment in playoffs where we just didn’t have enough in the middle to get past the Lakers in their heyday of dominance fueled by dominant big men…

    Then you could come on here and talk about your years of dedication to loving the underdogs.

    I will always believe that a higher power brought Jordan to the Bulls for the years of love and loyalty for the best and most down-to-earth fans in the world. That’s why the old school Bulls fans love Jordan. It has nothing to do with jumping on a “bandwagon” because we new we had a franchise player. Jordan embraced Chicago and he understood those cheers and tears of joy were just as much for Stormin’ Norman…Chet “The Jet” Walker…and Bob “Butterbean” Love..and the decades of underdogs that faced the powerhouse East and West teams that had the limelight and the big bucks to lure in the premier centers.

  53. Chesterton Indiana is basically a suburb of Chicago. A lot of professionals that send their kids to Chesterton school systems commute from the shores of Lake Michigan via the South Shore rail system. It’s not even demographically similar to Valparaiso(more of a farming community just 7 miles to the south). Chesterton, a public school, was heralded for many years as having one of the best high school speech and debate teams in the nation. A very liberal and well-rounded education can be found at Chesterton(dare I say a sort of “Establishment” small town? It’s about as liberal a place you’ll find for a small town in Indiana..tucked between Gary and Michigan City. We also received a very good basketball education. That savvy skill set in McGary has a lot to do with the nearby competition).

    Chesterton ain’t by any stretch of the imagination anything close to Poplar Bluff, Missouri. Nothing against Poplar Bluff. I would guess that Poplar Bluff would likely have similar demographics to Bloomington…or maybe Tom Crean’s hometown. I don’t look down upon you for not understanding the area. Our own basketball program now looks at Northwest Indiana as if it were more foreign than the Jersey shores.

    Go ahead and play your role as Scoop’s Attila the Hun.

    1. “Short of stature, with a broad chest and a large head; his eyes were small, his beard thin and sprinkled with grey; and he had a flat nose and tanned skin, showing evidence of his origin.” — description of Attila the Hun from The Goths by Jordanes.

      Sounds just like me, give or take.

  54. Exacty Tsao… No more conversations about soccer history, or Constitutional philosophers, or Argentinian delicacies… Lets stay on topic all the time!

    Mariner – I know I have explained my team allegiances before (so everyone else feel free to tune this out)… I can honestly say that the Bulls were the only team I latched onto that didn’t have any significance to me for regional or family reasons.

    FSU football – my parents taught there during the 80’s and I grew up going to their games for several years. I was also was a ball boy for the FSU basketball team, but I was already too aligned with IU basketball to care much about the Noles after we moved in 1990.

    Texas Rangers – we moved to Dallas in 1990 and became Rangers season ticket holders. I never had a baseball team before that (sorta liked the Cubs, Reds, and Braves, but only because I liked certain players – Rose, Sandberg, Murphy – and coulda cared less if they won or lost). Those were the Nolan Ryan years, and the Rangers were excellent with guys like Gonzo, Pudge, Franco, and Palmiero. I’ve maintained my allegiance to the Rangers even after I moved to Maine.

    Patriots – filled a similar void once I moved to Maine full time in 1994. (For anyone unaware, Maine is very much an extension of Boston sports, mostly care about local HS and then pro teams… Not much attention paid to any college sports outside of hockey) I was sorta a Cowboys fan when I moved to Dallas, but it always seemed kinda fake… Maybe because they were dominating the NFL when I lived there and it felt bandwagonny. When I moved to Maine I slowly shifted to being a Pats fan, and they weren’t very good. By the time Belichick and Brady came on board I was already fully turned… The fact that we actually started winning was just a bonus.

    Celtics – similar story to the Pats… Although a few years later… I was a little bitter at the way the Bulls dismantling happened. Led me to not really care for them after Jordan retired. I was living in Maine and watching most Celtics games anyway. I was a big NBA fan at that time, and needed an outlet. Being surrounded by Celtics fans, and inundated with Celtics marketing, it was a natural transition. I really enjoyed watching the building process of the Celts. They weren’t any good for several years up until the Garnett heist, and by that time I was an entrenched fan.

    Never turned into a Sox fan… Can’t really get into hockey… Are there any other sports that matter? I covered college football and basketball and pro baseball, football, and basketball… That pretty much covers it.

  55. I’ve been looking for this opening.

    “When gardens aren’t tendered and watered, they die.

    Pulling weeds in the garden the other day. Finally adopted
    the Donald Rumsfeld technique. “Collateral damage was unavoidable”. Much faster.

  56. Exacty Tsao… No more conversations about soccer history, or Constitutional philosophers, or Argentinian delicacies… Lets stay on topic all the time!

    Nor could he probably give you the names of three Hoosiers that play on the baseball team…Nor could I.

    Have any of us even attended on Hoosier baseball game(before, during, or after days at IU)? Or a track meet.. or swim meet ..or volleyball game.

    Any good new pizza offerings from Bloomington?

    Jeremy- You have to admit that you looked strikingly handsome as Liberace the Hon’.

  57. Any new good burger joints in Bloomington?

    Tough crowd…tough crowd.

  58. Trying to understand what this meant Mariner.

    I think you were in fact saying, with “[the]connection to a team is rooted in something more authentic…[that it is based on] regional/familial loyalty behind the team they cheer for”, which would be true; while the fans (outside of the cities themselves) who generally follow Barcelona and Manchester Utd. are more like Bull fans in the 90’s, following a winner and just as likely to switch allegiances.

    Not sure what this meant, in reply: “…there is no equivalent to FC Barcelona or Manchster United… If they are die hard soccer fans they have to identify with some team, so that (which?) rule can’t apply.”

    Would both explain a bit. I believe that

    I think Mariner is right in that an individual’s choice of soccer team in most places in the world (not so in the US) is w-a-a-y beyond the ‘best team’ or the richest team. Most soccer clubs began as just that (true in Spain, Italy, Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay; usually factors other than win-lost records explain its following; (family history/social class/ethnicity/geography-or a combination s in geographic neighborhood/ethnicity. Three, four generations later the family history is another critically important factor. I was a Boca fan, because my father was a Boca fan, and he was a Boca fan because his father (my grandfather) was a Boca fan. I got my first Boca shirt at 6 months, it was blue and gold. It took some getting used to that IU was red and white, our mortal enemies (River Plate)were red and white and it was a while before I could accept it.

    The above is true in Spain, Italy, France, Portugal…Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Mexico…..It almost really is in the DNA

    A funny, funny anecdote. The new Pope Francis, formerly Fr. Jorge Bergoglio, was a huge, HUGE San Lorenzo fan in Argentina from the neighborhood of Almagro in the capital (Buenos Aires). Little over two weeks ago, San Lorenzo beat Boca 3-0. Two Sundays ago, as he made his sojourn through St. Peter’s Square in the Vatican as is tradition, Pope Francis spotted one of his former parishioners- a big Boca fan- in the crowd, who bowed to receive the Pope’s blessing. The Pope, nodded in recognition and with a huge smile, made his sign of the cross towards the man…holding three fingers up in the air.

    (Reportedly, if a San Lorenzo game is on cable or the dish, His Eminence’s schedule is done around the telecast time in Rome). That’s how it should be, isn’t it?

  59. Wouldn’t it be fun to see what all Scoop bloggers are wearing on the other side of the screen….? Currently thinking of Ron…Maybe we shouldn’t go there. Brief thoughts now experiencing collateral damage of brief thoughts.

    Get thoughts back to NoMendacity ..That’s better.

  60. …Valpo is more of a farming community?…hardly…even though it does not grow through this most recent recession it does not back up either with an ever expanding University, a brand new hospital, sustaining retail and an airport flourihing and making profits…the farm community is south to Kouts, east to Wanatah and NE to Westville with smaller tracts to the west…nuff said…

  61. Somehow I missed it the first time around, but caught it in he re-read… I think Harvard just gave us some criteria for Establishment – intelligent, well-rounded, and liberal.

  62. Compared to the demographics of Chesterton, it’s still a farm community. Orville Redenbacher and Virgil Sweet put the damn town on the map…..popcorn and crew-cuts…Squaresville. You’d never see a free spirit like Harvard grow out of that rodeo stop on Highway 30.

    Chesterton is a close link to Chicago…Art festivals…Indiana Dunes National Lakeshore..And the girls were so much better looking at CHS than Alpo. Nuff said.

  63. VU, 4 lane 30 and 49 bypass put Valpo on the map. Ifen I ever wanted the clap I’d spend the weekend in Chesterton.

  64. Always disliked Scottie Pippen and his funny nose, but saw him tonight wearing a Blackhawks jersey in the press box at the United Center. Must admit, it was kinda cool.

    What a game! Now there’s a Chicago team that I can feel the love for!

  65. There’s a dude down the street from me with four decals on his truck: Cornhuskers, Packers, Lakers, and Yankees. Would it surprise anyone that he also wears Affliction tee-shirts and sports one of those generic tribal band tattoos on his biceps? If I were to guess, his favorite hockey team is the Kings… Well, at least until it’s the Blackhawks in a few weeks. Probably lives for Duke Basketball, too.

    One of these days I’m going to get around to asking him to explain those allegiances. I suppose it’s wrong of me to assume he’s just another bandwagon fan– he may have a story similar to Geoff’s–but it seems pretty clear that he doesn’t just root for the underdogs.

    Speaking of which, go Cubbies!

  66. Clarion-

    Valpo’s not a bad town. I’m just partial to the more eclectic surroundings of my hometown. Chesterton isn’t the small town of its finest heyday in the 60’s and 70’s. A lot of great family business faded away and it’s now more of an overflow of craft and antique shops. No real economic vibrancy anymore…No unique mom & pop hardware, furniture, and jewelry stores that had thrived through many generations of ownership. Family businesses lost out to the mega grocery stores, KMarts, etc. that began to sprout up on the outskirts of that 49 bypass. We had some great restaurants that used to be along the Lake Michigan shoreline..All just memories now. Did you ever hear of the Red Lantern Inn(Beverly Shores) or The Spa restaurant in Porter?

  67. ncaa News. College golf team member fined for washing her car using college water and hose. Thank goodness the ncaa is here to keep college athletics clean.

  68. That is the most absurd story ever. UNC and Kentucky can cheat non-stop and nothing happens to them but they go after this golfer? Amazing.

  69. Just for a perspective point. Not that the rule isn’t absurd because it clearly is and there’s no reason it should be enforced but I’d be willing to wager that the NCAA didn’t “go after” this golfer. It was most likely self-reported by the institution and such dinky violations usually come with a small slap on the wrist. The athlete will probably have to pay back the projected value of the water (yes, I know, that’s completely insane) but that’s about it.
    As in putting Kentucky in the conversation, well, it’s kind of like asking why you got a speeding ticket while there’s a mob boss who isn’t in jail. If Kentucky is cheating — I’m not saying they are I’m not saying they’re not — somebody has to prove it before they can be punished and whatever the NCAA does it has to do without subpoena power, which is why most of these investigations don’t start until a credible source with direct knowledge of violations comes forward to the media. The sort of violations that you all presume Kentucky is committing aren’t the sort that you self-report. Every year, most schools, including Indiana, report 30 or 40 of those, but most of those aren’t that newsworthy because they don’t have much of an effect.

  70. The fine was $20 for the water AND use of the hose. No word on the nozzle. Get your facts straight before you start making presumptions you can’t back up, Dustin. Geez.

  71. Good points, Dustin, but what about UNC? They had one of the worst academic fraud cases ever and should have been given the death penalty. Instead, they penalize this athlete when it should have been laughed at and tossed out.

  72. I’m fuzzy with the details of what went on in that case, though I’m not sure I’d agree that the death penalty should’ve been in play there. And again, I don’t think this rule makes any sense, but using the flouting of a major violation to say that a minor violation shouldn’t be prosecuted is like using a false acquittal of a murder as a an argument against enforcing parking violations.

  73. I’m not saying minor violations shouldn’t be prosecuted, I’m saying that shouldn’t have been a violation in the first place. And, “parking ticket violations” are ignored all the time by cops and judges as they don’t have the time for all of them. If every “parking ticket violation” was actually enforced, our entire society would grind to a halt as virtually all of us break some law every day as there are so many of them.

  74. Baby Grayson was born at 8:24 this morning, weighing a whopping 9 lbs 8 oz… Both baby and mama are doing great.

  75. Congratulations to you, your wife and Baby Grayson (sincerely). Nothing equals having your own. Be a good dad.

  76. Thanks Tsao… Sincerely.

    I’ll try… I’ve been a good dad for the first few hours, but consistency is always an issue.

  77. The UNC violations were indeed a betrayal of the very heart of the relationship between athletics and an academic institution and a fraud on the taxpayers of the state of North Carolina. The shame is that with Kentucky it is expected; North Carolina had a fine reputations as an excellent university.

    The violations, over 50 over at least ten years and involving both the football and basketball programs, made a mockery of UNC’s reputation for academic and athletic integrity. Entire departments were taken down, its entire corporate leadership dismissed and academic leaders embarrassed after the ‘good folks’ in Chapel Hill had to admit to not only cheating, but failing to legitimately and honestly educate dozens of student-athletes who wore the ‘baby blue’ by giving them credits for classes they did not attend.

    One has to wonder, however, whether the NCAA will even want to address the corruption evident in the practices at UNC. Strange how relatively silent it has been on the aftermath of its investigation. And, just as strange, how relatively quiet the media has been in demanding clarity.

    Still, the good news. The NCAA may yet have its comeuppance. The Paterno family announced yesterday it was joining the law suit against the NCAA over its role in forcing the dismissal of Joe Paterno (and his son) in the aftermath of the Sandusky mess.

    Since the damage to JoePa’s reputation was already done, I don’t think the Paternos (nor their lawyers) are looking for anything except completely exposing the travesty that is the NCAA. That trial should give us a thorough look into the omelette of interest conflicts and bubbling sewer job that is the NCAA. Should be a fun trial; hope the media (which has its own conflicts of interest in its relationship with the NCAA) decides to give it honest and full coverage.

  78. Congrats Geoff. I would like a few more stats….Is it a 5-star or a blossoming 3-star baby? Quick first step? Do you envision much up side because of the size? Did the wife give Greyson the early essentials to delivering in the clutch? Could this be a lottery pick or just an overrated “chosen one” that will get far too much undeserved playing time? Did the baby make a three fingers to the temple sign….(sorta like an “In your face!” attitude with the doctor)? Greyson? Sounds like a movie actor name from the 1950’s…Nobody from Indiana is ever named Greyson. Sounds like a pure Establishment birth.

    Wishing you many wonderful memories.

  79. Thanks everyone! Harvard, kinda funny… The first picture taken with me holding him he has his middle finger extended to the camera. Not exactly 3 to the dome, but close. He was quick to the milk supply – that must count for something… Quick first suck.

  80. Congrats, Geoff. My first boy (and final offspring,) Atticus, was born three weeks ago tomorrow. He was a mere 7 lbs even, but with long arms and huge, almost gangly hands and feet. He’ll have a lot of space to grow into– perhaps a small forward’s build? I look forward to our boys joining forces and sharing the wing at Assembly Hall a little over 18 years from now.

  81. Congrats Geoff. The two greatest things that ever happened to me were marrying my wife and being a father to my kids. It’s a privilege. Never take it for granted. You’re a lucky, lucky man. Never forget it.

    P.S. don’t try to live vicariously through your kids. It’s WAY more fun to just be their Dad.

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