1. He’s a slimeball, but I fail to see the lies here… He did offer to play us in Indiana, and we did decline. It hasn’t hurt either program. Not sure why the question is still being asked at this point.

  2. I think it had something to do with the Baylor game, which was one of the games that Kentucky put together shortly after the IU series fell apart. But yeah, that’s actually true, Ben. The key phrasing that makes it not a lie is Calipari said he would play “in” Indiana twice, but not “at” Indiana. He wanted to play at LucasOil Stadium and he was in fact willing to sign a two-year agreement to play just at LucasOil. Indiana’s counter offer was to play two games at Lucas Oil, one game at Rupp and one game at Assembly Hall in a four-year deal. If Calipari would’ve wanted to move one of the Lucas Oil games to Louisville, IU would have acquiesced to that, but basically, Calipari didn’t want to go back to Assembly Hall and IU wasn’t willing to sign a contract that didn’t include at least some guarantee of an on-campus game. That’s where the breakdown came. (And the Harvard rant will switch to this thread in 5..4..3..2..1)

  3. Geoff,

    My point is this. In the end,the fans get ripped off. So he wants to play at Lucas!? Who cares! Unlike Kentucky, at least Glass gives a damn about the fans. The student section makes the atmosphere. Besides, why give money to a neutral site?

    We ask this question, because Indiana and Kentucky are like peanut butter and jelly. Just goes together. Duh!

  4. I’m not saying I agree or disagree with the situation, just that Cal wasn’t lying. I know he IS a liar! but just not at tis presser.

  5. That’s my point. My beef with the lie is the circumstance he won’t play at Assembly Hall. He acts as he gave us a grand bargain, when he knows the series will only return to its glory when a home and home series is established.

  6. I thought the series was fairly glorious when we played them in the Hoosier Dome and the crowd was split 50/50 with red on one side and blue on the other. Crean didn’t want to give Calipari an Indy recruiting platform and Calipari didn’t want the automatic loss in Bloomington. Both very shortsighted and selfish on their part.

  7. Why on earth would we want to give them a big stage in Indiana to promote their program? Criminalipari was hoping for shortsighted leadership to agree to such BS. If that was the case give them key to Cook Hall so they can practice and hang out in before and after the game in Indy. From what I’ve observed they need none of our help in recruiting. To Hell With pUKe!

  8. Aren’t they already playing their Champion’s tourney thing at Lucas next year or the year after?

    It wasn’t shortsighted when we played the series in Indy & L’ville. It was the hoops version of Florida/Georgia and Texas/Oklahoma football.

    Now that both programs are at full strength, it’s dumb not to play the game. I’m not pleased that we have to play L’ville in NYC instead of closer to home. Our NYC games should be showcases against east coast powers not teams from our backyard. Sometimes I feel Glass is asleep at the switch and I wish Jeremy, Andy and the like would call him out on it instead of constantly giving the guy a free pass.

  9. I have yet to hear a single announcer/commentator on any major network sing anything but glowing praises for Calipari. They put 1-hour specials on ESPN that give all the pluses a major sports channel’s stage to their stellar program. When Dick Vitale is a host commentator and the subject of Calipari comes up, all he does is blabber for 10 minutes about what a great coach he is and that he’s so much more than just a recruiter. You hear more praises about how he cares for his “kids,” his players, as if they’re his own children…I hear tales retold of how he takes a packed lunch on his recruiting trips and how it is just one of many examples what a simple, kind, and humble man that does little things to honor his wife’s sweet wishes that he eats a nourishing salad on the plane.

    Please, oh, Puuuuuhlease..shut the hell up, sour grapes whiners. If you don’t like Calipari, then stop supporting the game altogether. The man is treated as if he’s the ‘golden boy’ of college basketball. He care like no other coach about the select group of fine men he acquires by way his nationwide searches; the best of the best possessing the skills at Naismith’s game to play it at the highest level. He makes them no promises and tells them the pressures and expectations at Kentucky are like no other place. The competition on the roster is like no other place. He is the new face of college basketball and the NCAA and the networks you watch love putting it all that forefront the biggest audiences and grandest stages in March.

    Let’s stop the infantile rants that Crean has put into your head that our tiny hole in the wall, our once elite basketball program that hung most their banners four decades ago in this hiccup of a limestone village tucked amongst just as much surrounding ‘Kentucky’ as Kentucky itself, is important to ESPN or Calipari’s promotional needs with busloads of McDonald’s All-Americans heading for Lexington every year.

    The networks slather him with airtime and affections,…The big loudmouthed Duke-loving Vitale acts like he’s a god..The NCAA finds nothing on him and would rather hunt down a man with a 3-way call habit to satisfy the hicks and hypocrites of Bloomington as the doors opened at McCracken to one of Calipari’s best friends. Do you want to know why Knight won’t shake Crean’s hand and looks at the man like he’s the serpent of Assembly? Look no further than the mirror…Crean’s best bedtime prayer is to have a mini NBA team something as dreamy a typical squad his buddy down in the hills of Kentucky. They share airplanes and take their sons on trips together to watch their former respective college players now in the NBA.

    Stop already. It’s all a charades. If you care, stop watching the product altogether. Otherwise, just suck it up and play the man at Lucas. Stage? We don’t even recruit are own borders any stronger than Michigan recruits our state. What in the hell are we protecting? We go just as strong out East to find players than those on our sacred and storied basketball soil you want to roadblock from Calipari’s Globetrotters bus. And what sort of stage does it give Indiana to get embarrassed by Syracuse two straight games..What sort of stage does it give us to play in Conseco and watch Stevens at tiny Butler use a walk-on to bury us? You’re actually worried about ESPN’s favorite son from UK embarrassing us anymore than we’ve already embarrassed ourselves by the hiring an empty-headed preacher as the symbolic representative a program that once had the man at the reins known to possess the greatest intellect in college basketball? Our airhead coach schmoozes with that man you call slime. All of college basketball schmoozes with him and gives him select airtime and primetime slots for his team. Calipari and Crean, brothers of another mother, should form their own league for their min NBA camps that have destroyed college basketball…Call it the NBAA(NB Double A)…NO BRAINS AT ALL.

  10. ^ Geoff or HC,

    Please break down the above for me. Going to work. No time. My school in Northern Indiana didn’t fulfill it’s obligation to my comprehension I guess.

  11. You finally figured it out. They do not need our help in showcasing their program in Indiana. It happens outside of our AD’s control anyway. Glass is absolutely on top of this because he is an IU man. As far as he is concerned pUKe can play their games on an iced over pond. And I agree.

  12. Just had to get the preacher thing in huh? You’re empty yourself, as I doubt you even know what you believe in. Bag of chips maybe? Cream filled Duncan Donut your GOD? You tell me. Can’t debate. Got to make a difference at work. Take a stool softener while I’m at work. Might think more clearly.

  13. Ben, I can’t help your query much as I seldom/ randomly ever read his anecdotal, pretentious jibberish and never if it is longer than 6 lines. His posts are always the same, develop a goal and then write what ever is needed to make both come out with the same ending. It bores me. I actually was going to ask you to do the same favor for me.

  14. To continue the discussion with the rest of the commenters:

    Coach Cal just lets it rip. This has been his style since Day 1. Living back east, I got a face full of Coach Cal back in his UMass days. He’s passive aggressive and he doesn’t let up. There is nothing better than the clip where John Chaney tries to fight him at a press conference. If you don’t love Cheney after watching that, you have no soul:


    Have patience, fellow Hoosiers. You just have to wait until the next scandal breaks.

  15. Our coach works from the same Tinkertoy set as Calipari. Crean just plays with a smaller Tinkertoy set. The goal is to buy into the system that has taken over the game; a system of building up 14-year-old kids egos ’til they wet their pants daily over their own reflection and YouTube productions into the self-absorbed world that all of basketball’s riches and memories are found in their own glorious bag of tricks. Success is measured by how many those 14-year-old children you turn into millionaires. Both came into established and storied college basketball homes like a cheap hustler preaching to a wealthy widowed woman her charms. …”Because…Because…Because.” Blabbering into microphones how beautiful are old wrinkly skin covered by years of makeup on our aged banners as if it were the gold on fingers to validate their standing in the coaching community. Cut from the same mold. Built from the same Tinkertoys.

  16. Cream filled Duncan Donut your GOD?

    I hope that was a Tim Duncan coach…If he only played for the Celtics…? He’d be a Boston Cream Duncan.

    Almost forgot…From discussion yesterday..Mitch McGary is not the next Pau Gosal..He’s the next Dave Cowens with couple extra inches.

  17. I can only translate pieces…

    Knight doesn’t like Crean because he reminds him of Cal, except with the bonus that he’s overtly religious.

    Harvard thinks Crean wants a bunch of one-and-dones every year… Even though that’s not his recruiting M.O.

    (His last 4 years and 2 years forward look like this:
    1. Recruit and offer early to the very best players in Indiana
    2. Recruit high upside athletes with versatility
    3. Anchor the class with 1 major 5-star talent
    4. Don’t hold out til the late signing period… Fill the gaps of the class with need and potential, regardless of ranking.
    The evidence shows he rarely strays from this formula)

    UM focuses more on Indiana than IU does, while Crean spends his time on the East Coast.

    (Even though Crean has recruited every high profile player from the state since he got here, and offered scholarships to most all of them before any other program)
    (Oh… And even though UM didn’t recruit McGary or Albrecht out of Indiana… Beilein recruited them from East Coast prep schools… Same place he got Larry Bird… I mean Nik Stauskas.)

    Why are we worried about UK when we are getting embarrassed by Syracuse and Butler.

    (Here a list of non-conference opponents and/or top 10 teams that Syracuse and Butler “embarrassed” over the last 2 years – Louisville, Georgetown, Indiana, Florida, UNC, and Gonzaga – so I guess we’re in good company)

    So yeah, basic translation = more nonsense.

  18. I nailed it, Geoff. Do some research. Your little pink stat book won’t help. McGary is retro breath of fresh air. He’s personality..He’s motor…He’s positive ’til through any hellfire..He’s a lefty…He’s a glass-gobbler…He’s a passer..He’s a ball handling big that can push it and distribute.

    Cowens in the making. Wish you could have seen it in true living color. Mitch of tiny Chesterton is the next Cowens. He’ll play on the most storied NBA floor. That is my prediction. Go get him, Boston.

  19. Beilein already had his eye on McGary and Robinson long before any prep school entered the picture. He already had the experience of familiarity with Chesterton and NW Indiana ballers by seeing the heart of a lion in Zack Novak…They make ’em mean and hungry up in the Mars lowlands where the cold winds blow down the throat of Lake Michigan..Alex Karras territory. Men rather than prima donna choir boys in tights.

    Next Dave Cowens, BABY!! Mark it down.

  20. See, lobster breath…Read it and weep. You talk a lot of smack. You actually know very little once the stat purse is put down.

    Posted on Thu, Nov 10, 2011 : 4:21 p.m.
    Persistence pays off: John Beilein offers first comments on Mitch McGary, Glenn Robinson III
    By Nick Baumgardner

    When Michigan basketball coach John Beilein first saw Mitch McGary play, things were quite a bit different than they are now.

    During the 2007-08 season when Beilein was in Chesterton, Ind. recruiting current Wolverine senior captain Zack Novak, he couldn’t help but notice the tall kid who wasn’t seeing much game action.

    “He did not play a great deal when Zack was a senior, and he was a freshman on that team,” Beilein said of McGary, a former prep teammate of Novak’s at Chesterton High School. “(But) we kept (him) in the back of our mind. … and just kept in contact.”

    McGary doesn’t sit the bench anymore.

    And Beilein’s persistence paid off.

  21. Geoff. Two things. 1) I think Rosetta Stone now has a “Speak Harvard” program to help with translation.
    2) 85 degress in Punta Gorda currently.

  22. Geoff. Two things. 1) I think Rosetta Stone now has a “Speak Harvard” program to help with translation.
    2) Currently is 85 in Punta Gorda.

  23. 1) Anything to help with the double posting?

    1) Anything to help with the double posting?

    2) did I already have the Punta Gorda conversation with you? I vaguely remember having it with someone on here… Any hoo, my uncle started up and owned the Punta Gorda Tennis Club back in the 90’s – Ted and Sheika Murray. Ted was a tennis player at Ball State back in the 70’s. He sold it maybe about 5 years ago.

  24. Harvard, what’s your point… A coach noticed a tall kid on a basketball court… Whoopee. He didn’t play much and Beilein wasn’t recruiting him any more than Crean was aware or was recruiting him. The pitch came when he was up here in New England.

  25. In McGary’s hometown, Novak’s a legend. At Michigan, he’s become the face of Beilein’s culture shift.

    Add it all up, and everything came up maize and blue.

    “Mitch grew up watching and was smaller than Zack at one time,” Beilein said. “They grew up to be pretty good friends where Zack really mentored him.

    “(Zack’s) role here and how (much) he loves the University of Michigan spoke well for our chances.”

    Read it and weep…Chesterton boys paving the way for the culture shift at Michigan. The article also fails to mention that Robinson and McGary were already good friends. The truly unheralded Novak started the momentum…Novak mentored Mitch at Chesterton…Mitch and Robinson were childhood friends through meeting at AAU ball. Without the mini Canadian Bird, it’s basically a culture restored by the ‘University of Northwest Indiana’ basketball team. Daddy Dakich originally from NW Indiana as well.

  26. Thanks Geoff. Yourself and Harvard seem to have a ummmm love/hate relationship, so I figured you could break it down.

  27. Geoff. #30 was me. Thinking Ben is in the Dothan area. I was in Punta Gorda for 35 yrs. Still have a house there.
    If you remember driving through Pt Charlotte, I transferred there when it was a one stop light town. Been to the PG Tennis Club couple of times. Was a nice set-up.

  28. Geoff,

    Yes, I am in Dothan. This is my permanent residence. I was born and raised in Northern Indiana, and moved to Dothan in 2006.

    Ron, I had an uncle who lived close to Punta Gorda. He lived on Pine Island, close to Ft Myers.

  29. Ben. Northern Indiana? No wonder you and Harvard get along so good. Been to Pine Island? It’s in the process of going from a neat area with personality to normal Florida. Condo’s and traffic. Sad.

  30. I think Harvard is bitter about the one Thanksgiving I refused to give him any leftovers Yes, been to Pine Island. Been over 15 years ago at least. I know for a fact I haven’t been there since Hurricane Charlie.

    Panama City Beach used to be less commercialized back in the day, but know you can’t even see the ocean while driving on Front Beach Road. Many sit fairly empty, because they build too many during the 90’s “condo boom”.

  31. Ben, you spoke of ‘disaster team’ couple of days ago. About a week after Hurricane Charlie, teams from the different churches blanketed our hard hit area. Group of young Mormon kids took one side of the street. Group of another church took the other side. All of our living room/dining room furniture had been swept into the pool. These kids did more in a few hours than we had in days. They were a well organized, well oiled team. At least untill the neighbor’s girls came out in their bikinis. After that, they reminded me of IU playing Syracuse.

  32. Haha Ron. Well that is our mission, as far as the Methodist body goes. Our church has a wagon full of supplies, ready to go when needed. I hate to say we are “waiting” for a disaster, but that’s the truth, unfortunately. I’ve always had a heart for disasters, and that’s how our teamed was formed. Myself and my partner in the ministry had a vision, and we ran with it.

    Was your home a loss? Able to salvage majority of items?

  33. I’m willing to bet a Trojan Horse pork tenderloin sandwich that Ben is not from the pocket of NW Indiana that Harvard or Harvard’s parents called their childhood stomping grounds..

    Like many areas, we did have small groupings of real fanatics…Troubled kids were always sent to Fairhaven Christian Academy…Where parents fail, or simply do all they can yet find no solution, I watched Fairhaven snatch kids from the public schools. I always felt so bad for those kids. I remember a kid that I met when my parents first moved out to the country. We became rather casual friends(lived about 3 miles apart and rode the same bus during middle school years)…He had problems. Parents dumped him into Fairhaven. A couple years later, I was driving by his house and I saw him sitting on his front porch in his underwear. After some time in Fairhaven, teenagers became strangely callous and distant as you watched their rebellious and free spirits shackled with the guilt of constant garbage pumped into their ears…And, on occasion, you’d see them just break loose to do something almost infant-like or wildly bazaar…like sit on their front porch in underwear just staring off into nowhere land.

  34. And you’re right, Ron. One of the last memories I have of spending time with TJ(the Fairhaven recruit) was a pool party he held at his house(I think it was the summer before Fairhaven plucked him away). Without going into too many boring details..A girl lost her bikini top and it suddenly looked like a shark tank. That poor girl. My friend, his brother, and a bunch of what I assumed to be other children of the corn, went into a frenzy of splashes and gyrations..I think they started speaking in tongue. I do believe her delicate neck strap magically losing its bow to expose a view of a female teenage breast was akin to slaying the serpent king. Flesh!!!! Flesh!!!!

  35. Harvard,

    I was born and raised in North Webster, Indiana. I lived 73 miles east of Chesterton. NorthCentral Indiana. Let me know if I make your “pocket” or not. I highly anticipate your response. (Sarcasm). My parents done a wonderful jib, and couldn’t ask forms better community to spread my wings. Was Chesterton in Marshall or Porter County?

  36. I could be wrong, but I think north Webster is closer to the eastern border of Indiana(approx 60 miles) than Chesterton(approx 80 miles).

    From Chesterton, it’s about 25 minutes west on the Toll Rd before you cross the Chicago Skyway…Another 20 minutes in you’re in the inner city.

    Did you ever hear of Koppenhofer Lumber on Highway 30 just west of Plymouth. Lord, they had pretty daughters.

    Did you live on Lake Webster…I bet that’s very beautiful rural Indiana countryside.

    Take care, Ben. You’re a good guy.

  37. You could say that. It was considered North Central, but one county over (Whitley County) was considered Northeast Indiana.

    We didn’t live on Lake Webster, however we lived a block away from the lake. Yes, it was very peaceful. However, I worked mainly all my years up there in Goshen.

    Can’t say I ever heard of the lumber company. Truth be told, I never made it any further west then Warsaw, Indiana on U.S 30. Didn’t have a reason too really. Once in awhile, me and some friends would go to Valpo, which is west of Warsaw on U.S 30, and go to a WWF/WWE wrestling event.

    Take care as well. I appreciate the comment. I come down severely hard on you at times. Sometimes I struggle that I think everyone is like me.

  38. I always remember the Skyway toll going into Illinois. It was either 2002 or 2003, my ex and I where going to Chicago on the 80/90’t toll road, and I accidentally went through Chicagoland Toll, which wasn’t manned, and was for locals only. Leaving Chicago, I told them what happened (I feared they had me on camera), and offered to lay the toll, but they forgave the debt.

  39. I can never believe how positive and nice many the girls that work those toll booths. They have a more sincere smile on their face than many a waiter or waitress in Indianapolis that I’ve dropped down a sizable tip for dinner.

    There are just good spirits…Such a contrast. You see so much snooty wealth on some of the popular Gold Coast streets..My best memories of Chicago are often the gazing at the beautiful skyline coming over the bridge and simple smile and “thank you” from a carefree toll booth girl just happy for no other reason than to greet a new face.

    You’ll find all people have some good, Ben….It’s just often hidden like diamonds deep. Their hearts have been broken but they still have a spirit and faith to keep.

  40. “However, I worked mainly all my years up there in Goshen.”


    Ben, Ben, Ben, Ben…Ben..

    Mention Goshen and not mention John Ritter!!? I gave you nearly 24 hours to remember. And you people call yourselves Hoosier fans?

    From the little town of Goshen came on hell of a crafty forward that helped Knight reach his first Final Four(recruited by Lou Watson).

    Wooden had visited Goshen in 1969, trying to lure Ritter to the Bruins of Westwood, but the Redskin star decided to stay closer to home.

    Wooden had coached at South Bend Central High School and Indiana State University in Terre Haute before taking the UCLA job in 1948.


    Actually three Hoosiers from Northern and NW Indiana on the ’73 team that made the storied and unexpected run to the Final Four(Laskowski and Abernath, South Bend St. Joseph; John Ritter, Goshen).

    Mention Goshen and not mention John Ritter….?

    Proud Hoosier fans of Northern Indiana hang their collective heads low. No Hoosier hero should be forgotten when their hometown is mentioned…How the cold chills to the bone with a harsh truth we have lost the warm memories in the bitter winter winds of time.

  41. oops..dropped the ‘y’ off of Abernathy.


    Never shall you forget John Ritter again

    For banners still hang while memories wear thin

    Place again their heroics in this Harvard tale

    Save your lapses of honor a grievous sin(use Southern twang and say ‘sen’ to rhyme with ‘Ben’)

    For they are Hoosiers immortal and more than bread gone stale.

    (notice how that rhymes?)

  42. I’m not too familiar with the Lou Watson era, (I’m only 33), but my Grandma and Dad are, and they both remember Ritter, and knew he was from GoshenInteresting Wooden visited Goshen. That’s awesome, considering I went to many games in Goshen. (I’m a Wawasee Warrior at heart). When Wawasee would play Goshen, we usually lost.

    I promise I have no twang. People often as me down here if I am from the north, because of my voice. It gets old.

    Interesting stuff Harvard. Thanks.

  43. When they ask if you’re from the north, you could just tell them…

    Ben there, done that.

    Sorta surprised there was no 40-year anniversary at IU for that gutsy ’73 Final Four team that gave Knight such invaluable early momentum and national visibility in his coaching career. I guess there would be no point without Knight in attendance.

    Scott Skiles also sorta in your backyard. Many true historians of Indiana basketball would claim Skiles unbelievable heroics and his Plymouth Pilgrim’s storied tale was a far more impossible run to a state title(when there was a shot clock and still no class divisions)than the Milan tale made into the Hollywood film.

  44. In 1982 Skiles led Plymouth High School to the Indiana State Championship. Plymouth, with no starter taller than 6’2″ and no reserve taller than 6’6″, was considered to be the weakest of the final four teams in the tournament that year even though they were ranked #4 in the state with a record of 26-1 entering the state finals. Amazingly, they won the state title with a 75-74 double overtime victory over favored Gary Roosevelt. In that game Skiles scored 39 points (to follow-up his 30 point performance against Indianapolis Cathedral that morning) to lead the Pilgrims past the Roosevelt Panthers. His long 22-foot (6.7 m) field goal, that was well beyond where the current three-point line is (no three-point shot existed in 1982) as time expired sent the game into overtime. With a student body of 900, Plymouth is the smallest school to win the championship since Milan in 1954. Skiles scored 25 of his 39 points in the championship game after the third quarter of play. During the 1982 season Skiles led the state in scoring, averaging 30.2 points per game. He set several records during high school, including most points in a home game (53) and most points in an away game (56). He left Plymouth as the school’s all-time career scoring leader (1,788 points), a record that would stand until 2005. Skiles had his number 22 jersey retired at Plymouth High School in 1992.

  45. ^(courtesy: Wikipedia)

    Where are the IU film majors to retell the Skiles tale through a documentary?

  46. Skiles was a gladiator of the hardwood. Nothing could break his spirit. Total belief. Ice in the veins. You could see he was a winner the moment he stepped onto the court. Relentless. Wanted it on his shoulders.

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