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  1. I salute Kain Colter for standing up to what he and some of his fellow student-athletes perceive to be an injustice perpetrated on college athletes by the NCAA and their respective universities. While trying to form or join a union is not the solution, because as the NCAA has responded, college athletes are not employees, taking legal action against the NCAA or implementing other tactics may produce some significant changes in the financial support student athletes receive from their schools/the NCAA.

    But what Mr. Colter is going to discover is that while this is “not about getting paid,” it is about taking money from one group of people and giving it to another group of people. And as history has taught us, when one group of people try to get another group of people to give them more of their money, the group demanding they get more is going to be met with stiff resistance.

    Whose money are we talking about? Well, it’s the NCAA administrators’ money. It’s the college coach’s money (primarily basketball and football coaches, but to a lessor extent, it’s every college coach’s money), and its the Universities’ money. These coaches, university administrators and NCAA officials are very highly compensated, and they have spent decades working to obtain the jobs they now hold. They’re living the dream. They have easy jobs, generous perks, luxurious working conditions, and excellent compensation and benefits. And they have spent a long time convincing themselves that they deserve all that money and benefits they enjoy. They’re not going to part with any of that money or comfort unless they’re forced to do so. And given that student athletes have maybe five years on each campus, these people know they can simply wait you out Mr. Colter, unless you’re willing to take more drastic measures. And those drastic measures, including law suites and/or boycotts include significant risk to the individuals identified as the ringleaders of the student athletes who are dissatisfied.

    You see Mr. Colter, while you have a legitimate complaint, the people who oppose you see your demands as “a slippery slope.” And slippery slopes scare those types of people. They’re all saying to themselves and each other, “if we give these student athletes more money, for health care expenses, living expenses while in school, or to allow their family members to obtain expensive tickets to those bowl games, where will it end? Hey, that money has to come from somewhere and that means we might have to take a pay cut, or reduce staff or give up our palatial working environments.” And when those people in positions of authority begin having those thoughts and discussions, they feel personally threatened. And when threatened, they are programed and conditioned to protect themselves against the perceived threat.

    You’re in for a fight Mr. Colter. The deck is stacked against you. But I salute your courage and wish you good luck. One way or the other, you’re going to get a good education from this experience.

  2. College coaches don’t have easy jobs, but university administrators and NCAA officials certainly do. Ironically, its the college coaches who are less likely to oppose the demands of the student athletes. It’s the NCAA and the university administrators that are going to form the stiffest opposition to this movement.

  3. I find this statement interesting.

    Statement by Jim Phillips, Northwestern University
    Vice President for Athletics and Recreation
    January 28, 2014

    “We love and are proud of our students. Northwestern teaches them to be leaders and independent thinkers who will make a positive impact on their communities, the nation and the world. Today’s action demonstrates that they are doing so.

    Northwestern University always has been, and continues to be, committed to the health, safety and academic success of all of its students, including its student-athletes. The concerns regarding the long-term health impacts of playing intercollegiate sports, providing academic support and opportunities for student-athletes are being discussed currently at the national level, and we agree that they should have a prominent voice in those discussions.

    We are pleased to note that the Northwestern students involved in this effort emphasized that they are not unhappy with the University, the football program or their treatment here, but are raising the concerns because of the importance of these issues nationally.

    Northwestern believes that our student-athletes are not employees and collective bargaining is therefore not the appropriate method to address these concerns. However, we agree that the health and academic issues being raised by our student-athletes and others are important ones that deserve further consideration.”

    I suppose Podunker will tell us that Mr. Phillips does not know what he is talking about.

    A question for you Podunker. How do you know this staement is true? Just read your post #1-paragraph 3 to see, “They have easy jobs, generous perks, luxurious working conditions, and excellent compensation and benefits. And they have spent a long time convincing themselves that they deserve all that money and benefits they enjoy.”

    Podunker, I have learned recently that you seem to feel that you know a lot about about coaching defensive football and now you know all about how easy people’s jobs are. Must be nice to know so much. When was the last time that you played college athletics or coached at the collegiate level?

  4. ^ This is the same guy who always responds in a snarky tone. Contributes nothing, except to tear people down. Podunker is just stating his opinion. If you don’t like it, leave it be. We’re you born and raised in China, where free speech could throw you in the salt mines? What a joke.

  5. It’s apparent things eat up Jay Gregg. I haven’t saw Jay Gregg even discuss what he would do with the Indiana defense. Getting fat on vanilla wafers isn’t an option Gregg.

  6. Josh… ‘I haven’t SEEN Jay Gregg (him)…’
    You haven’t SEEN Jay Gregg (him)…’
    He, she it hasn’t SEEN Jay Gregg (him)…’
    We haven’t SEEN Jay Gregg (him)…’
    You haven’t SEEN Jay Gregg (him)…’
    They haven’t SEEN Jay Gregg (him)…’

    Getting fat on vanilla wafers isn’t an option Josh. At least Jay learned verb conjugation when taught (in the fourth grade) and moved on to more demanding issues…

  7. I’m just confused as to what JAy Gregg’s argument is… Maybe it’s that coaches have a hard job, and he was so quick to type that he missed Po’s post #2… Or is he saying that administrators have a hard job? Or that administrators deserve every penny?

    It’s a really confusing post with no discernible point.

    What does Mr. Phillis’s post have to do with what Podunker said? And the tone of their so moments are similar… Both Po and Phillips are proud of the student-athletes, but don’t think this is necessarily going to work.

    The statement “I suppose Podunker will tell us that Mr. Phillips does not know what he’s talking about” makes literally no sense in the context of this article, Podunker’s comments, and Phillip’s press release.

  8. Now as far as the actual story is concerned… Here is what the “union” is pushing for:

    The group has a sizable list of demands that includes financial coverage for sports-related medical expenses, placing independent concussion experts on the sidelines during games, establishing an educational trust fund to help former players graduate and “due process” before a coach could strip a player of his scholarship for a rules violation.

    Pay-for-play is not part of their current agenda.

    I see nothing but very reasonable requests here. Their main point of contention is that too little of the $5+ Billion that is raked in by the NCAA each year goes into player safety and well-being, and right now they are left out of discussions and negotiations.

    Regardless of whether or not a “union” is the specific and correct legal option, I believe that the athletes should have formal representation when dealing with the NCAA. Sports is an area where unions absolutely make sense and generally work.

    Currently it seems that NCAA just believes that it’s the almighty with no need for oversight, regulation, or outside influence. Why would anyone question that they have the purest intentions and best interests of the athletes at heart…

    In reality, there is probably no more effed up organization than the NCAA… I mean the NCAA makes groups like Congress, Wall Street Bank Executives, Health Insurance Website Developers, and ARod’s Legal Team look a little bit better.

    Anytime the athletes get representation, especially in lieu of compensation, I am all for it.

  9. If you’re smart enough to attend Northwestern, you shouldn’t even be playing a sport that turns your noggin sponge into Swiss cheese.

    And parents…Quit throwing your children that are barely past the stages of reading “See Spot Run” into a sport where they bash their heads against more heads, against the ground against more heads, and then proceed to send them home with often undetectable concussions as an after school or weekend activity.

    We have to start asking ourselves some serious questions…The facts are unfolding to just how serious the long term damages in playing a sport with such continual violent impacts to the head.

    We all know the dangers of getting in a confined space with a crowd of smokers. Shouldn’t we know the dangers of getting locked in a playroom for three hours where bowling balls are dropping from the ceiling and whacking you in the head every minute? Is their an addictive chemical in footballs that make a youngster get hooked at an early age? Should we now put Surgeon General warning labels on the pigskin and back of helmets that playing the sport could result in your child’s brain turning into something that looks like a Connect Four game by the time they reach the years they’ll be the 1/999,000 to play the game as a career?

    All seems a bit weird to me…The parents now know the high risks…The high schools now know the high risks…The universities sucking in millions of dollars in revenues know the high risks. Where does responsibility begin and end? Seems like a lot of throwing of sticks for choices to do something so crazy risky with known consequences to long term health. Seems sorta weird we even hand out scholarships to do that to yourself. Maybe universities should step away from that responsibility and moral dilemma altogether..? Maybe someone set on a course of dreams to play a sport with such high risk should being it on their own expense? Maybe the NFL should start a minor league system and we simply take colleges(a sacred place of thought and expanding knowledge that should be anything but somewhere you go to get your skull’s processing unit slammed into the forces of a concrete wall everyday) out of the brutality equation…?

  10. We should all aspire to be Richard Sherman…Take that wonderful brain from America’s abandoned streets of violence and our systematic national policy of entrapped poverty to a Stanford football field to bash it to smithereens! And then on to the NFL!! Because you’re the best, Richard!!! You fill the stands!!! And in 20 years your tongue will be stuck to the roof of your mouth and that anger you now manufacture for ratings will be the price of your blank stare through a broken glass window.

  11. Football is the only reason why we don’t have civil war in this country. Our massively obese citizens dress up in their team’s unis every Sat and/or Sun for half the year so they can project their innate ability to hate their fellow man onto the guy that wears the other uniform.

    People get drunk, fight, scream and comment on blogs. Sometimes it gets a little crazy and a mob or two will brawl at the White Castle after a game.

    Take football away, the hatred won’t have a proper release valve. It will fester and boil over until we’re all shooting at each other, instead of throwing punches with a Whataburger in one hand.

  12. Jey Gregg; calm down. All that hostility and is going to eat you up.

    I’m not claiming to be an expert. I’m just offering my opinion, which is what this blog is all about. It’s a forum for exchanging opinions about various sports topics that usually involve IU. While not an expert, I do read a lot and I pay attention. The top NCAA administrators make an enormous amount of money. Most D-1 college head football coaches and their top assistants make a lot of money. College football and basketball generates an enormous amount of revenue for a lot of people. And the young men who play the game, the people who sports fans pay to watch play, are not receiving, in my humble opinion, adequate support. They’re being exploited, and some times abused, by their universities, the NCAA and in some cases their college coaches.

    I don’t believe these athletes should be paid like an NFL player gets paid, but I believe there is plenty of money to go around, and certain policies need to be adjusted so that young people and their families are not suffering financial hardship as they make their schools, their coaches and the NCAA a ton of money each year.

    As for hard jobs. A policeman has a hard job. An EMT has a hard job. An E.R. nurse has a hard job. The men and women of our armed forces have hard jobs. In relative terms, NCAA and University administrators do not have hard jobs. That’s just my opinion.

  13. Great posts from both Double Down and Geoff. That was wonderful stuff, Double Down.

    The universities and the NCAA love to have their cake and eat it too…

    Maybe we should set up a system to have a percentage of profits built into a ticket price(along with a percentage of TV network revenues) be set aside for lifetime health coverage any player that makes our taste for violence a release we don’t subject ourselves to the same costs…? Would that be so difficult? If it is our choice to listen/watch(whether in stadium seats, television, radio, or internet stream), then shouldn’t the governing bodies profiting from our choice provide a safety net for the athletes?

  14. Thanks Unforgiven or coachv for the lesson. I’ll recommend you to HT, in case we need a spelling officer. Do me a favor, and brush off those Vanilla Wafer crumbs off your shirt.

  15. How are so many bloggers acting certain of who is coming on here under a new screen name disguise?

    Are there that many ‘insiders’…? And why would Geoff’s original post not post? Was it because someone forgot to turn off the ban on his IP address when there was insistence on the part of Scoop that a bunch insult posts the other day were not his?

    Sorry, but the frequency of new names popping up that act like they’re familiar with old contributors and the multiple irregularities on posts getting banned that are perfectly fine, makes me believe there are multiple levels of games being played here. And is Double Down actually Husky Tom? Husky always enjoyed the ‘obese’ people insults. The level of cynicism and obvious obsession with my every post(the White Castle reference)sure follows Husky’s old modus operandi.

    Maybe it’s time to enforce a one screen name to match one IP address rule? Does that really require an official log in procedure? It just seems like deceitfulness is operating at more than the blogger level…It almost appears the so-called moderators enjoy watching the game nearly as much those partaking…(which sorta makes them party to the partaking). I mean, when Dustin comes on here to tell the ‘real’ Goeff that the ‘fake’ Geoff just called Harvard an “idiot” three hundred times, I sorta believe that’s feeding the problem and partaking in the snidely nature now existing. You could simply wipe out the posts and send Geoff an email explanation.

  16. My apologies…I guess it’s probably just the fact that the increasing percentage of tricksters on here acting so familiar with unfamiliar(disguised) names are living off freezers filled with White Castle sliders in your Scoop frat house basement.

  17. And it doesn’t change the fact that you have no need to validate some venom spewing jokester coming on here for the sole purpose to post 300 sentences of stalking-style insults by restating the insult verbatim to satisfy an explanation for poor ol’ Geoff. Puhhhhhhhlease…..That’s it.

  18. Geoff,
    I didn’t see that you successfully posted that, so I posted what you e-mailed me and explained that it had not posted. My post with your post was since deleted. So that’s how we’ve arrived where we are.

  19. Gotcha… Btw, I never knowingly successfully posted the comment. I tried twice (normally when this happens I try 5 or more times) – once from my iPad and once from my laptop… Both times it gave me the kibosh. Thanks for trying to hook me up.

  20. Can we finally knock smirk-face Matta and that overrated bunch from Columbus out of the top 25? Can we do that, Establishment experts that aren’t including Indiana with a top national post player in any discussions? Can we do that, Seth Davis…?…Ken Pomeroy?

  21. And Northwestern in the driver’s seat with 3 minutes to go in Madison….Yes, I do believe it was Harvard that said the Big 10 was wide open and the season was far from over.

    Hope those Buckeye and BAdger fans are already talking football…

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