Live Chat Transcript

QUESTION: Good morning, and welcome to today’s IU sports chat. Hope everyone is doing well and staying warm. It’s in the single digits here in Bloomington. With the men’s basketball weekend win over Michigan and football news coming out of signing day, let’s get to it.

Gentlemen: How are you today? Ready to get started?

JEREMY: Gooood morning, Arctic Circle. Haven’t seen any polar bears yet, but any day now. In the meantime, let’s talk IU sports.

DUSTIN: Happy to be inside at the moment. Let’s get to it.

ANDY: To paraphrase the immortal Curtis Mayfield: People Get Ready … to Chat.

QUESTION: This season has been so up and down, Sunday being another peak in the season. IU needs to pick up a couple of road wins and hold home court (and not slip up in big ten tournament.). With the inconsistency thus far, I don’t think the Hoosiers will make tournament this year. How do you see the rest of the season playing out as far as dancing or no dancing? Also, do you see Vonleh coming back for sophomore season?

JQ, Muncie, IN


I’m honestly a little dubious about this Indiana team making the NCAA Tournament, though it’s not out of the question.

Here’s the way I look at it from here: break it down into three three-game seasons. First up, at Minnesota, home to Penn State and at Purdue. Gotta get at least two of three, all three would be even better, but I think the Gophers are going to be a big problem.

Second, home to Iowa, at Northwestern, at Wisconsin. Again, really need two of three, but if they got all three of the previous trio, then settling for one of three might work. Iowa’s a chance at another marquee win, but none of those are easy, and it would be real easy to go 0-3.

Third, the final three games home to Ohio State and Nebraska, then at Michigan. Once more, have to get two out of three, and the best bets are the home games.

So, what I’m saying is that if IU wins two out of three in each of these mini-seasons, that gets them to 10-8 in the Big Ten, which is still a little bubbly, but probably enough. Anything less, you’re looking at .500 or under in conference, and the Hoosiers will need a push in the Big Ten Tournament to have a shot.

I can see it both ways for Vonleh, but it seems his dream and goal has always been to make it to the NBA, and when you’re a near-certain top 10 pick, it’s hard not to go ahead and fulfill that dream. It would be a gutsy move on his part to come back.



At this point, I really have no idea and I think anyone who tells you they do is lying. Obviously, this team struggles with consistency to an extreme degree. I think the fact that Michigan rolled Nebraska last night really puts it all into perspective. Somehow Indiana managed to beat the team that won that game and lose to the team that lost it. And the reason is because Indiana was two different teams in those games. Against Michigan they were focused and honed in and they executed. Against Nebraska in the second half, they didn’t. There isn’t a game remaining on their schedule that they can’t win. And there isn’t a game remaining on their schedule that they can’t lose. That is who this team is right now.

As far as the tournament is concerned, I think they need to win 20 games for the season to get in and go 10-8 in the league. I don’t think .500 does it for them because they don’t have a non-conference victory better than Washington. That means they have to win all five of their clearly winnable games – at Minnesota, Penn State, at Purdue, at Northwestern, Nebraska – and get at least one more from the road games at Wisconsin and Michigan and the home games against Wisconsin and Ohio State. It’s doable, but they absolutely can’t afford a slip up. They have to go 5-0 against the above mentioned teams. Have to. Right now, I say they’re an NIT team. Not that my opinion actually has effect, but they have to show me they can string wins together before I say they can make the tournament.

I don’t see Vonleh coming back. It’s possible, and I’ve heard it’s not a lock, but he’s a lottery pick if he wants to be. Lately, I’ve seen a lot of people who want him to come back say they think he needs another year of development. Well, those same people were saying that about Cody Zeller last year. And the thing that no one recognizes is that Vonleh doesn’t have to go out there and be the best power forward in the NBA for it to be worth his while to come out. He doesn’t even have to start for it to be worth his while. NBA teams draft mostly on potential, and Vonleh has that in abundance. And they can develop him specifically for whatever that team needs him to be. Does he need more seasoning? Sure. He’s not going to go to the NBA and be an all-star next season. But he doesn’t have to be. I think he goes, because I think there are a lot of teams who are dying to take him. I don’t know anything definitive from his camp, but I just think it’s too much to pass up.


This team was predictably unpredictable, given its youth, and that seems likely to characterize the entire campaign. Joe Lundardi had the Hoosiers as the fourth team out of the NCAA field, last time I checked, so IU probably has some work to do in that regard, but can still make the field if things go well. The odds probably aren’t great, given the aforementioned inconsistency, and odds are also that Noah Vonleh will go pro, given his recent NBA mock draft listings (consistently in the top ten.) The season still needs to play out and different kids can and do make different choices in regard to the draft. Vonleh is just 18 and could likely benefit from another year of development at the college level, one would think, before entering the pro wars. But he’s likely to have a draft spot that will beckon him to go.

QUESTION: 1. Great great story on Oladipo and Im glad you went to Indy to cover him. With that said I was surprised you couldn’t take the time to write a RECAP of the WHOLE game rather than use AP for it since you were already there. Also the way you wrote the Oladipo story and tweeted the game you made it sound like the Magic are the LOCAL team here. While most of us root for Oladipo, the Pacers are STILL the local team for this area with the most fans and deserved to be treated that way by you and the HT. Still great feature on Oladipo nonetheless and I really enjoyed it!!

2. Our basketball team is appallingly inconsistant with great wins and bad losses. Will it be enough to make the tourney is the question?

3. I thought the booing of Creans subbing was very appropriate and Crean needs to stop with this wacky sub patterns if he wants to be a long term success here I would think? Am I accurate in this? If 17,000 people know he’s wrong than he’s wrong?

Darren, Martinsville

JEREMY: Darren,

1. My mother said if you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all, so I’ll just say Dustin did exactly what he went to do and was able to do it with a greater quality by focusing on Oladipo and not trying to reinvent the wheel by covering the Pacers’ side, which was already sufficiently done by AP, among others.

2. Noticed that inconsistency did ya? Yeah, that’s pretty much the reason it’s really hard to predict what will happen, although I think the odds are stacked against them making the tourney. Details in the previous question and answer.

3. The booing was very unusual in the sense that it wasn’t directed toward the team or players or even the coach, just the decision-making in putting that lineup on the floor. And it wasn’t that any one of those players couldn’t fill a purpose individually, but collectively it was a disaster. The fans recognized that and found perhaps the only way they knew of to share that feeling.

DUSTIN: Darren,

1. Thanks for the kind words. I enjoyed writing that story and catching up with Victor, who by the way, hasn’t changed one bit despite being a little bit worn out. As far as writing a recap, there are two reasons I didn’t. No. 1 is a time and space thing. In order to do a good story on Oladipo, I had to talk to him both before and after the game. (By the way, NBA access rocks. Open locker room before and after the game. No PR people sitting over your shoulder. For the road team at least, no press conference style stuff. Just talking to players like they’re, you know, normal people. It’s fantastic.) So that meant instead of going into the Pacers locker room and asking them game detail questions and going to Frank Vogel’s press conference, I was talking to Jacque Vaughn and then Oladipo a second time. On top of that, I would’ve needed another 20 minutes, half an hour minimum to write a game story on top of my Oladipo feature, which was fairly involved and not easy to write on deadline. That would have held up the works on putting the paper together, and I either wouldn’t have written a very good game story or I would have detracted from my feature, which was my sole purpose in going there. No. 2 is a consistency thing. If we ever did have a Pacers beat guy, it was before my time. We can’t pretend we have any real institutional knowledge there. To all the sudden show up and do a Pacers game story after years of not doing it doesn’t make a whole heck of a lot of sense, considering we’re not going to go back to it and it is just going to be a one-time thing. (If you’re wondering why we don’t, it’s a resources issue. Costs a lot of money and man-hours to cover an NBA team.) Mike Marot, the AP guy, covers all or most of their home games. He understands the issues of the team better than I possibly could and he understands how every game plays into the greater narrative because he’s there all the time talking to the guys. There was no way I was going to write a better story than the AP would from that game, so it doesn’t make sense to put a lower-quality product in the paper just to have my name on it. On the flip side, the reason I did write a re-cap from the Nebraska game last week even though we didn’t successfully make it is that I cover Indiana close enough that I can write a game story that better suits Indiana fans from watching the game on TV than a Nebraska AP guy can from the game itself. Nothing against that guy, but I’m sure he wrote that story in terms of what it meant for Nebraska rather than what it meant for Indiana, which is what he should do. Bottom line, you have to know your area of expertise (actually, I hate that word, because I’m not an expert at all and I couldn’t coach a Pee-Wee team, but you get my point.) and you have to know when it’s best to let someone else write something. As far as making the Magic sound like the local team on Twitter, well, I think everyone knew I was there for the purpose of following Oladipo, so I was tweeting from that perspective. I wasn’t there to cover the Pacers, and I would think if you were a big enough fan, you’d be following Candice Buckner of the Indy Star anyway.

2. As previously stated, I have no idea. And for the same reasons. They lost to Nebraska, they beat Michigan, and Michigan then beat Nebraska by 29 and scored just four points in the last 10 minutes. (That’s crazy, eh?) If they get on a run here and win there next three straight, they have a shot. But I think they need to win six down the stretch. Finish with 20 wins and 10 in conference. That’s what I think this is going to take to get them in. And then at least one Big Ten tournament win.

3. The short answer is yes. Though I think it’s more than just slightly dangerous to say that if 17,000 people think something it must be true. Don’t think that way. i would say, though, that I don’t think the substitution patterns are so much a character trait as they are something that is relates specifically to Crean’s approach of coaching this particular team. He said at the beginning of the year that he wants constant competition in games and in practices. He felt like last year, there was such separation between the top six or seven and everyone else that everyone after that cut-off didn’t get better. He thought it stunted the growth of people such as Jeremy Hollowell and Hanner Mosquera-Perea that they didn’t believe they’d play much and there didn’t seem to be a reward for playing in practice. The top six were going to be the top six and that wasn’t going to change. With this team, he wants there to be real consequences for good work in practice, and that’s why you’re seeing Jeff Howard get meaningful minutes. He’s working his butt off in practice, and if he didn’t get playing time, it might suggest that practice doesn’t matter, and with a young team especially, it’s important to instill that message. So substitutions were always going to be a bit unconventional this year as opposed to previous years. Not saying all of this was the right move, but it’s how he views it. Now, do you want a lineup of Jonny Marlin, Jeff Howard, Austin Etherington, Hanner Mosquera-Perea and Stanford Robinson in the game when you’re up three on Michigan in the first half? No, you don’t. If you’re going to play those guys – and all of them obviously do deserve playing time – you have to protect them, which means you can sparse them in with other starters and top players. It’s putting them all together that is what costs you. There’s no question that was a bone-headed move. The only good part of it for him was that he pulled them all out after two minutes and a 6-0 run, never put them back in and won the game, so it’s clear he can adjust. But point being, you’re going to see this change next year. It’s not going to be the same sort of substitutions, so I don’t know if long-term is an issue. His substitution patterns have always been a little off, but not quite like it has been this year, and that’s by design.

ANDY: Darren:

1. I’m leaving that one to Dustin.

2. I don’t know that my adverb would be “appallingly.” Mine would be “predictably.” It’s such a young and precociously talented team that these sorts of ups and downs were entirely expected. Right now, I don’t see the Hoosiers in the NCAA field, but they’ve got two big road opportunities coming up against teams they are directly competing against for positioning in the B1G standings. If IU can finish .500 or better in the league, I think it’ll get a NCAA bid. But that will be easier said than done. No gimmes in the league this season, for any team, that’s for sure.

3. Not a big fan of booing, in general. The players might misinterpret it a bit, for one thing. But in the immediate wake of the Nebraska game’s personnel decisions that didn’t work out especially well after halftime, I get it. And that rapid-fire substitution sequence that drew the fans’ ire against Michigan did leave an IU lineup on the court, if I accurately recall how CBS analyst Bill Rafferty rather diplomatically said it during the telecast, that “in terms of offensive capacity was perhaps not up to Indiana standards.” I’m generally a guy who says coaches know their team a heck of a lot better than folks in the stands do, but I’m not going to say the fans were wrong in that instance. And coach Crean called timeout pretty quickly after the resulting 6-0 Wolverine run in order to adjust the lineup.

QUESTION: What does it say about Crean’s ability to develop players when his supposed great “movement” class has been Ferrell and everyone else being a bust? Are rankings inaccurate or can Crean just not develop players? Not criticizing him per se but when a class receives that much hype and is this mediocre somethings wrong.

John, Bloomington


Two things — one, this is a case of overhyped and underperformed, and two, this is a class that is still just sophomores.

To try and extrapolate a lack of ability to develop players from the struggles of “The Movement” is way off base in my opinion. It was pretty clear in the course of last season that Hanner Mosquera-Perea had some serious deficiencies that offset his natural abilities. I would say he’s made some pretty good progress from then to now, even if it’s not producing what folks once had in mind. That’s player development.

Yogi has been much better this year than last. That’s player development.

Jeremy Hollowell has tons of talent, but what’s going on in his head remains a mystery that only he can resolve, not player development.

And Peter Jurkin was hampered by injuries before he got to IU and ever since. I’m just not sure he’s ever really going to be able to provide much help unless you can add 20 pounds without further foot problems. That’s some bad luck and a miss all in one.

DUSTIN: I’d say there’s a danger in trying to answer that question in a vacuum, which is sort of what you’re trying to do there. The fate of “The Movement” class hasn’t been nearly as good as expected, and Crean obviously has to take some blame for that. No one actually recruits based on rankings (it’s more the other way around, as websites will rank a prospect higher based on who is actually recruiting him) so it’s not like Crean can blame the fact that Jeremy Hollowell and Hanner Mosquera-Perea aren’t playing like Top 50 players in that class on the fact that Rivals or someone else sold him a bill of goods. I don’t know what he could have done to develop those guys faster than he has, but the fact is they’re not as good as advertised, so the coach is accountable for that.

But having said that, you have to consider one, the fact that recruiting rankings are primarily for entertainment value and there’s nothing about them that’s necessarily binding and that two, we’re talking about human beings who all develop their skills at a different pace in different environments. For one thing, if you’re going to count strikes against Crean for Hollowell, Mosquera-Perea and the oft-injured Peter Jurkin, you also have to give him credit for Jordan Hulls, Victor Oladipo and Will Sheehey, all of whom played far above their rankings (remember, Sheehey and Oladipo were at about 140 in the Class of 2010). You also have to give him credit for getting Cody Zeller, Yogi Ferrell and Noah Vonleh to at least be excellent players, whether you agree that they’ve fulfilled their potential or not. Are rankings accurate? I mean, I don’t think they’re entirely inaccurate, but anyone who puts together those rankings would tell you there’s space for argument and that the space between, say, the guy who is ranked No. 110 and the guy who is ranked No. 30 isn’t that big and isn’t insurmountable based on what happens when they get to college. There are a lot of guys who are very, very good at this game and trying to separate them isn’t easy. Also, it depends on the player. Mosquera-Perea certainly got his ranking based on his athletic potential because there’s a lot of raw material there. That’s proven difficult to unlock, and I’m not sure anyone could have gotten more out of it so far than what Crean has, but I still think there’s a good player there and it’s too early to close the book on him. Bottom line is this an argument that can be boiled down to one class. There’s lot of evidence that show Crean can develop talent, but the Class of 2012 isn’t the shiniest spot on his record.

ANDY: John:

Crean didn’t come up with that ridiculous “Movement” moniker. Ron Patterson, a player who never made it into IU’s program, did. People who know me would tell you that I considered that particular recruiting class vastly over-hyped before it ever got to Bloomington, but that’s hardly Crean’s fault.

Did he go after the wrong guys in some instances? Well, it wasn’t like he didn’t try to recruit Gary Harris, for example. He tried like heck to recruit Gary Harris.

Hollowell was always an inconsistent player with upside. Mosquera-Perea was always a prodigious talent in need of remedial work regarding fundamentals. Hanner, particularly, has shown a few signs of progress but still isn’t where he needs to get. But both are still sophomores.

Some guys, even some with talent, just take longer. Some guys never get there. Sometimes patience is required and a big payoff can result. I’m old enough to remember a guy named Landon Turner.

As to the whole “player development” question, particularly pertaining to any relation to players’ ratings coming in, I would imagine Victor Oladipo would question anybody questioning Crean’s capacity in that regard.

QUESTION: Was never gonna happen for a second but lets just play a game of “what if” for a moment. Lets pretend Zeller and Oladipo bypass the NBA and are both playing on this IU team with this exact same line-up except Peter Jurkin and Jeromy Hollowell transfered for the scholarship space. Where would team be? I’ll say in this alternate universe they lost a close game to Cuse and 1 of the 2 MSU games but otherwise are sitting at 20-2 and 8-1 tied with Michigan for 1st in conference and everyone is thinking back to back Big Ten titles and we’re no. 4 in the country.

I know this is totally unrealistic, but where do you guys see this team if Zeller and Oladipo had stayed and whats our record and national ranking at this pt?

Mike, Seymour


To quote Don Meredith, “If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we’d all have a Merry Christmas.”

Nonetheless, I’ll play along briefly. I’m not sure if they be 20-2 and 8-1, but probably somewhere close, like 19-3 and 7-2. That said, even if those guys were back, there would still be a gaping hole in terms of outside shooting with the Hoosiers. Oladipo shot well from there last year, but he didn’t attempt a lot of 3s. Maybe Zeller would’ve added that to his game this year? Who knows? But, yes, Indiana would almost certainly be in the top 10 and in the hunt for another Big Ten title, especially the way the rest of the league is playing out this season.


Do you really want to do this to yourself?

Just to agree with you here, this is a total pretend scenario. The Hoosiers would not have recruited the way they did if they thought Zeller and Oladipo were actually going to return. Part of the reason they pushed so hard and went out and got Noah Vonleh is they figured they’d have to replace Zeller. I’m not sure they still get him if they were figuring on a third year from Cody. There was no talk whatsoever of Jurkin or Hollowell transferring, and the Hoosiers had a feeling they’d lose one or two guys that way, but not four (counting Abell and Creek). I also think they would have scheduled different if they knew they had that kind of lineup.

But if we presume the schedule is the same and we presume a starting lineup of Ferrell, Oladipo, Sheehey, Vonleh and Zeller with a bench of Robinson, Williams, Gordon, Perea, Davis, Etherington, Hartman then yeah, that team is pretty freaking good. It still doesn’t have a lot of shooting and that’s an issue and there is a significant drop off when you go to the bench, but yeah that’s probably a top five team. Don’t know if they beat Syracuse just because of the lack of shooting. Michigan State would still be a tough game, but if you had Oladipo on Harris that changes a lot. But yeah, two or three losses sounds about right. Just at the end of the day, you’re not going to get two top five picks to stay. Especially if one of them (Oladipo) is already graduated.

ANDY: Mike:

Pretty much moot speculation. Don’t disagree with your assessment other than to say, even with Vic, the team still might lack a bit of outside shooting capacity, overall. It’d probably be a Top 10 team. It is true that that notion of Cody playing up front with Noah is a nice fantasy for IU fans, I guess, but that also should remind them of how painful the Fischer transfer actually remains. Not saying Fischer equates Zeller — don’t misinterpret that — but Fischer looked like a three- or four-year pivot guy who, with proper development, would have nicely complemented guys such as Noah.

QUESTION: Good morning guys, I hope all is well. As always, thanks for this chat and for the rest of your great coverage. All three of you provide some really great stuff.

1. What a strong end to the recruiting period for Coach Wilson and his staff. I don’t know much about these kids (I’ve seen Booth and Harris play though and they are very talented) but when I read the offers they have from other programs, I can’t help but be excited about where Coach Wilson is taking this program. Which of the true freshmen that signed for the Hoosiers do you think will be receiving some quality playing time next season? Also, several defensive backs (thank goodness) were brought in plus Rashard Fant will be available…what do you see the secondary 2-deep looking like next fall? One more football question, I saw a post on about 4 new football helmets that hadn’t been “confirmed or denied” by IU Athletics…is the team going to have 10 helmets next season (why the heck not I suppose)?

2. In what should be a surprise to absolutely no one around the state, the Hoosiers roller coaster season continues. I was so pleased with IU’s defensive plan and execution (Yogi’s 3-point barrage obviously helped as well) against Michigan. I’ve been in favor of this team embracing a slower tempo and grinding out games with defense and rebounding and it’s been nice to see that approach tried and met with some success. My question pertains to this tempo…scoring seems to be down around the Big Ten this season. Are the defenses improved or is it worse offense (or have the refs swallowed their whistles and ignored the rest of the country’s freedom of movement rules)?

3. IU is squarely on the bubble for the NCAA Tournament. Stringing together three straight wins by winning at the Barn (a tall order, I know) and then knocking off Penn State at home (a game I will be at, they’ve won 6 straight with me in the house so clearly they cannot lose!) would go a long way towards improving their position. Do you think has matured enough (or learned to “focus” better) to deal with success better than they did after beating Wisconsin? Also, any updates on 2014 recruiting besides Tom Crean saying they are “actively recruiting for 2014”?

Thanks as always guys, I truly appreciate it. My family has been forced out of our home for the past 4 weeks (and counting) due to the flood that wiped out our first floor…reading this chat and the rest of the coverage is a nice, short respite from dealing with all of that real life “stuff”. Have a great week, God bless and go Hoosiers!

TJ, Noblesville


Glad we can provide a little distraction from the real world, however brief. Hope you can go home again soon.

1. Football dudes …

2. Yes, yes and yes. I think defenses are better adjusted to what opponents are doing, and I think offenses aren’t quite what they were last year. And I do think the supposed emphasis on the new rules has faded in conference play. It’s still called to some degree but not the same as early in the year. And in my opinion, what really needs cleaned up is the play in the paint, not just the handchecks and arm bars on the perimeter, but I digress.

3. Yeah, finding a way to win the next three would be huge, but as you note, winning at Minnesota is asking a lot in and of itself. Indiana’s lone road win this season was at Penn State, and they’re going to have to win at least three more away from home, in my opinion.

I think they’ve learned some valuable lessons in that regard, but that doesn’t make Minnesota any easier, especially with the Gophers hungry after last night’s triple OT loss at Purdue.

Multiple reports say IU offered 6-foot-7 forward Josh Cunningham Wednesday night, and word is they’re looking at several other big men. Imagine things will heat up more in that regard in another month or so.

Take care.


Very sorry to hear man. Hopefully that’s rectified soon. Is that being covered and paid for by insurance? Hope so. Good luck with that and our thoughts are with you and your family.

1. On offense, the guys I could see playing right away at first blush would be Booth, Simmie Cobbs, Jordan Fuchs and Tommy Mister. They need some size at wide receiver. A lot of the young guys they have coming back haven’t played and I wouldn’t be surprised to see Booth and Cobbs jump some of them. Mister sounds like a thoroughbred tailback in the Tevin Coleman mode, and it might not be a bad idea to get him some carries early as an understudy. Fuchs might have to play right away just because with Bolser gone, there isn’t another reliable pass-catching tight end in camp (Danny Friend is a fine blocker, but I’m not sure how much he’ll be used in the passing game.) DeAndre Herron is a JUCO kid, so I’m sure he’s going to get a chance to unseat somebody at guard. On defense, it’s hard to say, but they’ve obviously recruited a number of safeties, which they needed. If I had to guess right now, I’d say you’ll see Tony Fields and Chris Covington in the mix for playing time at safety along with returners Mark Murphy, Antonio Allen and Chase Dutra. LInebacker Kris Smith is moving back to safety as well and I imagine he’ll play At corner, it depends a lot on whether Fant develops physically because he was too skinny to play last year. Tim Bennett will certainly get his starting spot back and Michael Hunter and Kenny Mullen will both still play. I think Noel Padmore gets a chance to break in there as well. If there’s a true freshman who plays there, I’m saying Kiante Walton. They have him listed at 200 pounds, and I think they like the idea of playing somebody that size at that spot. I think you’ll see Tegray Scales, Greg Gooch and Robert McCray fight for time at linebacker, especially Scales, who they love, and McCray, because he’s a rush end/OLB hybrid and that’s the first one IU has really recruited for this 3-4.

ANDY: Good gravy, TJ, so sorry to read about the flooding. Hope you have insurance (and/or a good restoration team at work.) Anyhow, hang in there. This, too, shall pass.

1. Agree that, regardless of rankings, the offer sheets most of IU football’s 2014 signees had indicate a higher level of prospect than in most of the Hoosier past. These last two classes were rated solidly in the middle of the Big Ten pack, which doesn’t guarantee anything but certainly can give rise to some hope for eventual progress in the standings with some proper player development. As to which true freshmen play, that often results from need and circumstances rather than ability. For example, I think all four of the offensive line prospects are really good, but there is probably less immediate opportunity for playing time on that unit (and Gardner has to sit out this fall, anyhow.) But I will say I could see some of the following as most likely to be out on the field in 2014 (in alphabetical order): Dominique Booth, Tony Fields, Jordan Fuchs, Greg Gooch, Robert McCray III, Tommy Mister, Tegray Scales, Kiante Walton. Again, part of that is based on opportunity, not just ability. And it’s just guesswork on my part, in any case. As to the helmets, those were apparently just some mock-ups, not official headgear.

2. I think it’s all of the above, including your observation regarding the officiating. I think they’re still calling some hand-checking on the perimeter and on some cuts through the lane, but it’s back to typical B1G mayhem on the blocks. I think the league has very good coaching/scouting and defenses get good at taking prime offensive options away.

3. I expect the inconsistency to continue somewhat but, as you say, if the Hoosiers are developing a more dependable defensive identity, that might well keep them competitive in about every game and allow for a bit more consistency. And, who knows? That might just be enough to turn the trick. But the schedule remains daunting.

Aside from the big guys, all in the 6-9 to 6-10 range, mentioned in previous chats (Rokas Gustys, Matt Cimino, Andre Adams, Ruben Guerrero), IU is actively looking at Josh Cunningham, a 6-7 forward from Chicago Morgan Park for 2014.

QUESTION: Hey guys, have you heard anything about the new volleyball/wrestling facility or the new end zone project at the stadium? Thanks

Jimmy, Indiana

JEREMY: Jimmy,

Nothing yet on the volleyball/wrestling, but expect more on that when the official capital campaign is announced in the coming months.

DUSTIN: Have heard there’s going to be one, haven’t heard anything new about it. Not sure what’s going to be done at Memorial Stadium exactly and heard some time ago there would be a new building for volleyball and wrestling that would move them closer to Assembly Hall. No idea on specifics and I’m sure they still have to raise the money to pay for it.

ANDY: Jimmy:

I haven’t, but perhaps Jeremy or Dustin have.

QUESTION: From @Zentality on Twitter: what is the status on Greg Miclisse?

JEREMY: Just an FYI, Miclisse is a Florida linebacker, who is apparently interested in signing with IU, but it hasn’t happened yet.

DUSTIN: I only know what I just saw on his Twitter account, which is that he says he’s committed, he’s just waiting to sign an NLI. What I don’t know is whether Indiana wants his commitment or not. They have a number of linebackers already signed, and I know there are some other players they’re kind of waiting on in hopes that they might qualify academically. So I don’t really know what’s happening there exactly.

ANDY: @Zentality:

It’s apparently academics-related. He has shown some interest in signing with IU, it appears, and has quite an offer sheet, but IU never had him up for a visit and grades are reportedly the reason. That doesn’t mean he can’t become eligible and sign. He might. Guys such as defensive back Waynedriko Smith and wideout Sam Boyd probably fit into the same category.

QUESTION: It looks like a good class of recruits for IU football. However, to read the comments from coaches and you guys, every one of the recruits is a world-beater, All-American candidate. Once reality sets in, who are the players in this class who could have an instant impact, at least play as part of the rotation? And who are the redshirts from last year who might play a role this year, especially on defense?

Mike, Bloomington

JEREMY: Football dudes …

DUSTIN: As I said in response to TJ’s question, I think you’ll see DeAndre Herron play right away if only because he’s a JUCO kid. You’ll see Jordan Fuchs play right away because there aren’t other tight ends that catch passes. Dominique Booth and Simmie Cobb will have a chance to play right away at receiver because there were so many losses at that spot. Tommy Mister might play right away because he’s really good and could be a good understudy to Tevin Coleman.

On defense, I’m guessing based on things the coaches said yesterday. I’d say in the secondary, you’ll see Tony Fields, Chris Covington and Kiante Walton. Not sure about Will Dawkins. In the linebacking corps, I think Tegray Scales, Greg Gooch and Robert McCray have a chance to play. Don’t know enough about the defensive linemen to even hazard a guess. As far as redshirts, I think Rashard Fant will play at corner as long as he puts on some weight, and Noel Padmore will get a chance there too. Kris Smith is moving back from linebacker to safety, and he’ll get a shot. Chase Dutra will definitely play some at safety. Nate Hoff is a big strong defensive tackle who didn’t play last year, and he might get an opportunity to crack that lineup. I don’t know too much about Patrick Dougherty, but he’s a defensive lineman and the only other defensive freshman who didn’t play this year. On offense, Laray Smith and Myles Graham will get a shot at running back and Smith will definitely play somewhere with his speed. Same goes for wide receiver Anthony Young. Not sure how good a route runner he is or anything else, but he’s really, really fast. Isaac Griffith will get a chance to play too.

ANDY: Mike:

That’s obviously how every coach everywhere describes every prospect in every recruiting class. And all of these guys, at this level, were pretty much total studs for their high schools, so there are plenty of nice facts and figures about which to talk and write. But anybody who follows this stuff knows the score. It isn’t as if Indiana’s class rates with, say, Ohio State’s, and nobody is saying it does. It is fair to say, however, that the last two IU classes are better-rated than any it has compiled since the ratings services really started coming to the fore at about the turn of the century.

Having said all that, it’s obviously speculative as to which true frosh might see the field next fall. And that will just as obviously be based upon need and circumstances as on ability. As I mentioned in another response, I really like all four offensive line recruits, but don’t know if any of them will be needed this fall. I could see DeAndre Herron pressing for some playing time at guard, but I could just as easily seem him redshirting. Some of the guys who I would guess might play early are Dominique Booth, Tegray Scales, Tony Fields, Tommy Mister, Jordan Fuchs, Greg Gooch and Kiante Walton. A guy such as Robert McCray III is interesting and might be called upon to play if IU goes more 3-4. Again, circumstances count. And there are doubtless several other freshmen who might well play. It’s a pretty athletic group, by all accounts.

QUESTION: Good afternoon. Do you forsee any of the assistant coaches getting a head job at another program this offseason? The reason I ask is due to hiring of Rob Judson as Director of Basketball Operations. Usually these positions go to up-and-coming individuals looking to get involved in coaching (i.e. Calbert Cheaney), Coach Judson is 56 and has decades of experience in college basketball. I can’t understand why he would take this position unless he knew he would be stepping into an assistant coaching role very soon. It seems to me that Coach Crean hired him because he presumes one of his assistants is going to get a head coaching job this offseason [my guess is Tim Buckley, who I think would be perfect at Indiana State if Greg Lansing moves on] and wants Coach Judson to get acclimated with the program before promoting him as assistant.

Finally, without naming names, do you see anyone other than Noah Vonleh leaving the program early this offseason? I think another member of the freshman class is going to transfer and I believe Coach Crean is going to delicately direct a sophomore to look at other schools. Assuming only Noah Vonleh leaves early and is replaced with senior transfer, then there is only 1 scholarship available in 2015 unless there is additional roster turnover. I’m not suggesting Coach Crean push players out who want to stay, but if he wants to make a splash with the 2015 class, then some members of this current team will not be able to stay.

Brian, Chicago, IL

JEREMY: Brian,

It’s certainly possible one of the assistants gets a head coaching job, and pretty likely sooner or later. I don’t know if that necessarily has anything to do with hiring Judson though. Some DOB jobs go to guys looking to break into the coaching profession, but others go to veteran guys, such as when Dan Dakich was hired to fill that role for Kelvin Sampson.

Being the DOB at a high-profile and successful program like Indiana probably does more to raise his profile than being an assistant at a lesser school. And it is possible, that he slides down a seat if Buckley or McClain move on.

I couldn’t tell you who, but not unlike last year, it wouldn’t surprise me if there were one or two other moves. Not saying that will happen, but it’s quite possible.

And yes, that makes sense in terms of 2015 as well. But between now and then, you could see one of the current players go pro or one of next year’s freshmen go pro as well to open up a slot. And keep in mind that Austin Etherington is a redshirt sophomore because of his injury last year, so he could play next year at IU, then use the fifth-year transfer rule to opt elsewhere in 2015.

In other words, there are tons of possibilities.

DUSTIN: Hey Brian,

1. I definitely imagine that Crean sold Judson on that prospect, and you’re absolutely right about that tending to be an entry level position. Remember, before Calbert Cheaney was in that spot, it was Drew Adams’ position. Crean has said often that he thinks Buckley and the rest of them should have opportunities to be head coaches again. Will it happen? Hard to say without knowing which spots are going to open up. Buckley has shown interest in several positions in recent years (Florida Gulf Coast, Loyola, Ill., Northern Illinois and some others) but he hasn’t been hired. If he gets a job he’s going to take it with Crean’s every blessing, but you never know how that’s going to work out. I’d guess that Crean’s thinking Buckley has to get one of these. Maybe he also knows something we don’t and an AD told him he wants him if his current guy leaves. We’ll see.

2. It’s possible. I’d never rule out transfers and your scenario certainly sounds plausible. I know there’s some whispering on the message boards about people leaving, but you never really know. I’d say I’d be surprised if one of the players he directs elsewhere is either Jeremy Hollowell or Hanner Mosquera-Perea. Crean likes Hollowell a lot more than some people realize. But yeah, you’ll probably see some transfers.

ANDY: Brian:

Tim Buckley and Steve McClain have already been up for jobs, and will continue to be up for jobs, and Tom Crean publicly stated not long ago that Kenny Johnson is definite head-coaching material, and soon. So, yes, I think your scenario seems likely, with Judson stepping up. And, yes, I would imagine we will see some personnel shifting beyond Vonleh this off-season among the players, but no mass exodus. I don’t think that’ll be recruiting-related so much as kids genuinely looking out for their best interests and some legitimate playing time.

QUESTION: Hey guys, couple questions.

First, while we all admit that IU fans overreact to pretty much every loss, what is the ideal expectations for this program? I see us, and hope we can make it to this level, as a North Carolina. It is the nature of college athletics, especially basketball, to have up and down years because of the high turn over rate. But if we can be in the conversation for a championship every 3 or 4 years, I think that’s reasonable. I have tremendous respect for Roy Williams, but even a coach as great and proven as him has had his share of down years when he has to replace a great team, much like Crean has had to do this year.

Secondly, did you guys happen to see Calipari’s press conference/sob fest the other day? What are your thoughts on this? Is he or his team any more scrutinized than IU when it comes to both teams large fan bases? And its my opinion that any scrutiny they get nationally is brought on by themselves. Calipari has made plenty of comments about how his program is superior to every other. Thoughts?


Yes, Bloomington


Over reaction is what led to people being called fans (fanatics) in the first place, so that’s normal. Yeah, I think North Carolina is a relatively fair comparison. Probably the only thing is Indiana still has some catching up to do after being largely irrelevant on the national scene over the last decade plus with just one Final Four in the last 20 years, while North Carolina has three national championships and seven Final Fours in that span. But these days, other than Kentucky re-stocking freshmen every year, odds are you’re going to have a downturn of a year, maybe two, after your best teams. That’s where Indiana is this year, but it’s frustrating to fans who have been screaming, “We’re back” for the last two seasons. As long as IU rebounds to loftier heights next year, I think the bridge jumping will be limited.

I didn’t actually see press conference, but I read about it. As with everything else, Calipari always wants it both ways. He wants to be the best, most unique program, then whine about the criticism/analysis that accompanies the status. Not to mention, some of the most hostile and judgmental people are Wildcats fans. Basically, it’s a way for Calipari to bring some attention back to Kentucky, because nobody’s paying attention to the SEC except when Kentucky and Florida play.


I’d say you’re probably about right, but it sort of depends on how big the “conversation” is for each championship. Do I think they have to go to the Final Four every 3-4 years to meet reasonable expectations for the program? Eh, I don’t think so. But should it have at least one top 10 team every 3-4 years and finish top three in the Big Ten? That’s probably right. Indiana is still a rebounding blue-blood and they’re trying to turn a couple of years of success into consistency and they’re working on it, so I don’t know if they can be held to that standard right now, but I think it’s reasonable to expect IU to have success on that level as long as you realize that years like this one happen.

I didn’t see what Calipari said, but I’ll quote this little thing that Rob Dauster said about it on

“Kentucky head coach John Calipari is calculating when it comes to what he says in the media. There’s a reason behind every statement he makes. Attend a couple Coach Cal press conferences, and you’ll begin to notice the talking points always end up being the same. Sometimes he’s trying to motivate his players, sometimes he’s trying to rile up his fan base, sometimes he’s taking shots at the media. Whatever it may be, rest assured that Coach Cal doesn’t make mistakes when it comes to talking to the press.”

I haven’t been to a Calipari press conference since the Sweet 16 game in 2012, but yeah, Calipari always has an angle and he doesn’t just say things to say them. He wants them to have some kind of effect. It’s all calculated, and yes, absolutely, he draws the scrutiny to himself. And he absolutely knows that and I’m sure he wouldn’t really want it any other way. If he didn’t, he’d go take a job at Southern Illinois or something like that. Do I think his program is more scrutinized than any other in college basketball? That, yes, yes I do, if only because nationally they’ve been cast as the black hat team because of the one-and-done thing and also because of Calipari himself. Now, in the history of sports? No, not at all, and Dauster makes the perfect comparison with the first Miami Heat team. Every time the Heat lost, SportsCenter was putting up the Panic Meter. It was more than just slightly ridiculous. So yeah, Calipari said something that was over the top, which happens. And I promise he said it for a reason. I don’t exactly know what that reason is, but I promise you he’ll get something out of it, whatever that might be.

ANDY: Yes:

I think it is reasonable for fans to perceive Indiana in the same historical hoops context as North Carolina, even if the current reality is a shade different. I still think CTC having to tie up so many scholarships so early in his IU tenure with players he might not otherwise have recruited still is affecting the Hoosier program slightly in terms of overall balance on the roster. And obviously any program seeing four 1,000-point scorers depart is going to feel it. Sometimes, even ballyhooed recruiting classes don’t pan out quite as well as hoped, either (Andrae Patterson, Neil Reed, Charlie Miller anyone?) I think the scrutiny just comes with the territory. (As for Calipari, he was lamenting just this past week how “over-analyzed” his Wildcat team is. Poor guy. Must be tough.)

QUESTION: It’s the day after…

On paper, another solid class…Who do you consider the “instant impact” players?

Steve , Indy

JEREMY: Football dudes …

DUSTIN: Once again, these are guesses.

Offense: TE Jordan Fuchs, WR Dominique Booth, WR Simmie Cobbs, RB Tommy Mister, OL DeAndre Herron.

Defense: LB Tegray Scales, LB Greg Gooch, LB Robert McCray, DB Tony Fields, DB Chris Covington, CB Kiante Walton.

And again, I have no idea who ends up playing from the D-Line, but I think there’s a chance somebody does.

ANDY: Steve:

Thanks, and I’ve mentioned some guys I speculated might play early in other responses, but as for “immediate impact guys,” I’ll go with Dominique Booth, Tegray Scales, Greg Gooch, Jordan Fuchs and Tony Fields as the most likely candidates. And whomever is gonna be the place-kicker, too.

QUESTION: MODERATOR: That’s all the time we have for today’s chat. Thanks for joining us. You can follow IU sports on The Hoosier Scoop blog and app.

Gentlemen, What should we know on the IU sports scene as we edge into the weekend?

JEREMY: Should have an update on IU soccer signing day late today, then there’s that basketball trip to Minnesota on Saturday. And for those staying in town, the IU women’s basketball team hosts Wisconsin Saturday afternoon. Thanks for being here, everybody. See you soon.

DUSTIN: We’ve got Minnesota on Saturday and we’re going to have some baseball preview stuff coming up. Having Media Day today, and Tracy Smith is apparently going to pitch batting practice. It’s been a while since I’ve been in the cage, so we’ll see how that goes. Thanks everybody.

ANDY: Big game at The Barn.

Thanks, as always, to all those who chatted and/or checked in. Enjoyed it.


  1. Sorta scanned the Scoop journalists’ responses, but it appears the consensus belief that Vonleh will turn pro…Interesting. Geoff seems to think it’s not in his plans. I think Geoff is right. I believe Vonleh will come back for more schooling, a chance to play with one of the nations top guards(Blackmon), and the prospect of a real shot at an NCAA banner.

    Unlike Zeller and “The Movement,” Vonleh will carry out a mission the most hyped center from our Indiana borders failed to have the fortitude or Hoosier undaunted spirit to deliver. Vonleh reminds me a lot of Steve Downing…He’s just a relentless and humble quiet force with an immeasurable resolve. He’s more representative of what it means to don the candy stripes than many from within the Indiana borders that were anointed(and often self-anointed) with greatness before it was ever truly earned.

    I think the motivation to push Vonleh to the NBA is corrupted in Establishment wishes mixed with some weird desire to protect the decisions of guys that bolted for the NBA after last season; the same crowd of skyrocketing stars that sold a bag of goods to Hoosier fans as never being satisfied of anything short of a championship banner. I do believe Vonleh’s goals include proving things in March without the fanfare. I don’t think he’ll be sucked into the exaggerated hype his mock draft status. He seems more mature than those that live to hear their own name sold to the fortunetellers of greatness.

    Meanwhile, Cody averages about 4 pts. per game…and is nothing of Hoosier legend. Vonleh stands poised to erase the disappointment of hype undelivered.

    1. Let us slow down the hyperbole machine just a bit here. In case you’d forgotten, Cody Zeller could have gone pro after his freshman year and elected to return with a team set as preseason No. 1 to make a run at a championship. It didn’t work out.

      For the record, Zeller’s averages at Indiana were 16.1 points and 7.3 rebounds, including All-American honors and a career win-loss record of 56-16.

      I don’t think any of us assume its a foregone conclusion that Vonleh goes pro, but I think we’d be more surprised if he didn’t.

      If you want to call it Establishment protection of the guys that left last year, so be it, I just don’t understand the need to continually belittle those players’ decisions to go pro. Their obligation was to do what was right for them. What you or I think doesn’t matter. What if they came back, this team still couldn’t make a 3 to save its life, finished second or third in the Big Ten and was ousted in the Sweet 16 again while their draft status sank into the teens or 20s? Would that choice sit better with you, because it sure wouldn’t with them.

  2. And unlike Zeller, Vonleh can actually shoot a trey.

    Those that endlessly hollered for Cody to shoot more triples(as if it were Crean’s fault in selling our team short and holding him back) were an harassment to the historically higher intellect of Indiana basketball fans.

    Cody may have possessed a borderline decent stroke, but he never possessed the ice in the veins of Noah beyond the arc….Vonleh has already proven he can splash the nets from deep other than in the lopsided contests of lopsided score in a meaningless, watered down, Indiana 3-A high school tournament game. Vonleh is “the bridge”…He’s Watford with an actual inside game. He is the key, the final solid planks of desire, in finally getting us over the river of disappointment too often found in overly hyped Hoosiers that go to competing Big 10 programs or bolt prematurely and take their virgin games to the NBA. He is the backbone we’ve been missing from our own local cornfields turned to soybean muck as a result our complacency and acceptance of a watered down high school tournament once the unique pride of our basketball heritage. He is not coddled and soft…He does not need blue ribbons for wining irrelevant trophies…He is going to stay because he is more of “Because it’s Indiana” than Indiana can find in its own oversold perception of itself.

  3. Yikes…don’t know how that happened.

    ….were an harassment [embarrassment] to the historically higher intellect of Indiana basketball fans.

  4. If their obligation is to do what is right for them, then they should play to empty stadiums.

    Indiana will one day have a subset of top talent that decides collectively they want to give more. It’s not that we deserve more. They’ll just believe in Indiana more and they’ll truly fight every last ounce of eligibility to return our school to the “elite” level of deep runs and Final Fours. Hype and rankings are merely empty predictions on the tongues of empty souls that measure greatness in their created headlines and catchy phrases. Banners stick. Banners stay. Everything else that “hinges” or “goes home” to their overblown destiny merely drifts away.

    Dakich brought Zeller to IU…He never shut up about his inside connections and the poor kid didn’t go where his NC heart really longed to take him. It was IU by way of guilt…and it showed. Dakich is horrible for Hoosier basketball…Pure Establishment and undermining…and scorned.

  5. And I totally understand that opinions on blogs don’t matter….

    The facts are that we have a football program with a current recruiting class ranked at #36 in the nation. Other than OSU(#3), the Big 10 suffers miserably at bringing in anything close to the talent level of programs playing in the “elite” bowl games year after year.

    But if you read the comments/opinions on this Hoosier Scoop blog, the mere fact that we fired a co-defensive coordinator, just turned us into LSU or Alabama..It’s 1968 all over again…Yippee.

    Meanwhile, Cody Zeller averages 4 pts. in his debut season of NBA storm-trooping.

    Yes, it’s all hyperbole. It’s your job as sports journalists to feed it and nurture it. So what in the hell is so inexcusable about Harvard’s irrelevant opinions in this closet of sports chat in the whole scheme of that machine? Simply because it ruffles your rhinestones that I don’t buy into all the glorification such prospective greatness….My Lord, you act like Cody is Dr. J….Nothing hinged on his stats. Mike Davis took us to a championship game…If anything, the slight relevance that IU basketball retains today had far more to do with his pissed on name than anything Zeller or Crean have yet to accomplish. That’s the facts. That’s not hyperbole.


    My appologies…5.1 pts/game.

    Can one even begin to contrast the stories a year ago to what is being written now? It could literally be the biggest oversell in the history of the NBA….Has the stock of a top NBA draft pick ever plummeted to such a degree? They’ve had to turn to Josh McRoberts….Sad, very sad. I blame the hyperbole, the Puritanical blow and villain chasing, Dickie V, Dakich, and all the hype machines and those in the Establishment that put exaggerated pressures and bullseyes on the backs of Hoosiers.

    Much of what has come down on Zeller is of your making…Don’t put that on Harvard’s irrelevant blow.

    1. Well, good to see you’re not taking this personally. Wasn’t trying to render your opinion irrelevant, just noted that there’s a certain demonization of Zeller for a decision that 9 out of 10 players in his position would make, for the failure to win a national championship that was within reach and for not having the requisite amount of heart for a true Hoosier. I can’t disagree if you say he wasn’t ready for the NBA as a player. What he’s doing so far proves that. But if anything, I would think it would’ve been easier for him to go to North Carolina than stay close to home with the expectations that accompanied his stay in Bloomington. And honestly, I’m not sure you’d see very many players less consumed by their celebrity than Zeller, so it’s hard for me to believe that magazines and analysts somehow contributed to his demise. In my mind, his stock had peaked even if the framework of the company wasn’t complete, so he sold high.

      Vonleh is in a less definite position. He, like Zeller after his freshman year, has a stock well thought of, but if he returns for a second year, it could elevate from top 10 to top 5. But it could also drop, so there is some risk in returning. He is a quiet and humble kid, who I think has more in common with Zeller than not.

  7. I don’t agree with what ‘Harvard’ writes very often, but on this ” Dakich is horrible for Hoosier basketball” we can agree. He sent his kid to Michigan. MICHIGAN!?! That is like volunteering to go to prison.

  8. I sorta think Zeller ate up the attention….And I also sorta think Noah is more mature at 18 than Cody at 21.

    I don’t think Cody was ready for the NBA in a cultural sense far more than a basketball sense….There’s a lot of sinning going on. It’s a lot consume and process for a kid that just appears so devoted to things not valued in today’s society.

    And I know I’ll take a lot of crap for this, but I don’t believe Crean was the right coach for Cody(again, not from a purely basketball perspective).

    Cody needed something less comfortable to his own ideology. He needed to be challenged beyond the basketball court. He needed some fresh perspectives of differing values and something far less safe a model of his hometown/family strict moral code.

    It can’t be easy to experience the shock treatment of mega millions in your face inside a world so unfamiliar. I do not envy him for one minute. I believe he has the potential to still be a real force in the NBA. I just feel that IU was not the best choice(nor NC)….He should have gone to somewhere completely outside the box of expectations….Davidson? VCU? Get out of Indiana at a place that wasn’t stuck in stuffy traditions. He should have gone somewhere he could discover who he really was rather than what everyone else wanted him to live up to and be.

    I respect your thoughts, Jeremy.

  9. So, I guess we slightly disagree. I tend to think that he was not ready for the culture of the NBA and thus it shackles him as a player. From a purely basketball standpoint, I think he was as prepared as most.

    Basketball(as with any sport) is as much a function/battle with your own confidence and the comfortable interplay with the ongoing environment as much as the actual physical skills and talents honed through the years.

    Charlotte was not the ideal….I could see Cody one day flourishing as an LA Laker. Go West, Cody…Go West. Immerse yourself in sun and the relaxed vibe of the basketball minds not judging your every thought and code of perfection you feel such pressures to satisfy. You need to simply be around coaches and teammates that don’t care and embrace you for your individuality. They’ll cherish you more and you’ll learn to cherish something refreshingly different.

  10. My medicine for Cody…? Get away from competitive hoops once the NBA season is over. Maybe go on a 3-month sabbatical with Bill Walton. Smoke a ton of weed and have him playfully school you on post moves. Then, have Bill put in a call to Jerry West….Maintain contact until you can get the hell out of Charlotte.

  11. Harv, I thought #11 was very interesting. Does getting that cultural education now hinder him instead of help him? Can it only be beneficial within the confines of a university setting? not sure we’ll ever know, but interesting questions…

    as for #5… I understand that you long for a team of unselfish talent who’s only mission is to win a championship for the name on the front of the jersey. Unfortunately that ship has long sailed. Name one school in the country where that happens… now I know, It’s Indiana! We’re different! but we’re not different. At least not when it comes to this. If you want the type of talent that can get you a championship then you necessarily want the type of talent that will leave early for the NBA if their stock is right or their family situation demands it.

    It’s nice to think about, but it literally is a pipe dream. It will never happen until the NBA fails and there is no place to chase beyond college glory.

  12. I think winning a banner and dating as many college coed babes as possible is selfish…It puts all those family member wolves on hold.

  13. I don’t know…It doesn’t look real promising when they have sneak around in Denver hotel rooms with the morning maids. Irregardless, I do believe many a selfish family member, agent, NBA exec, hotel maid is interested in getting a top talent out of college as soon as possible.

    I find it sort of admirable to retain some true independence by going against the wishes all the foaming from the mouth wolves that have “your best interest” at heart. Stay in school. Heaven forbid you get injured(which in reality is a very, very small percentage..Not to mention the great strides that have been made in what used to be career-ending injuries). If so, then chalk it up to God having a different plan.

    And those sleazy clinging wolvettes that tag behind NBA stars got nothin’ on the beautiful “elite” IU campus girls with hormones bursting at the seams fresh out of the repressively square clutches their Hoosier daddies …

    Be selfish…Stay in school. Get a full education. Get a full shot at heroism and banners…The money will be their tomorrow just as it is today. Make the high school sweetheart, the uncle, the mom, the dad, the baker and candlestick maker back home wait a couple more years for trickle down economics your quick millions.

  14. You see, staying in school is the most selfish thing a young person can really do.

    The NBA needs to devise an entirely separate “Insurance Draft”…..For those players that want to stay in college, a draft will still be held …They will be selected as if an annuity by teams that can bid by way of highest insurance policy paid to retain first rights to their talented prospect upon graduation.

    If the player suffers a career-ending injury, the bidding party must pay off the insurance contract. Upon such unfortunate circumstances, the NBA team that loses out on such player immediately gets to be added to the shortlist of teams selected for lottery picks on regular draft night.. It shall be called the Insurance Draft Injury Exception Particapation.

  15. oops..[participation]

    It shall be called the ‘Insurance Draft Injury Exception [Participation] Clause’ to protect NBA teams from selfish players that stayed in college and then met career-ending injuries prior to graduation…

  16. Not sure why it struck my fancy tonight but I decided to put together my all-college team. The group of players I would want to go up against any other group of college players. So here goes…

    PG: Napier – ridiculously competitive. Leads his team in points, rebounds, assists, FT%, and steals

    Wing: Nick Johnson – physically and mentally mature player. Unselfish and does everything well.

    Wing: Harris – clutch, great defender, clutch, smooth, unselfish until needed, then clutch

    F: McDermott – amazingly consistent shooter and scorer despite always being defensive focus

    C: Embiid – absolutely blossoming, amazing games against top 10 teams, rim protector

    Backcourt sub: Kane – versatile and fearless, outplayed Smart in 3OT thriller head-to-head

    Frontcourt sub: Parker – big, strong, winner. Can score from every spot on the floor. Rebounds.

    So, I think there are some obvious choices there, but probably a couple surprises as well. I love the toughness of this team. It also seems like a group that would mesh nicely – good teammates, innately unselfish for the most part, and guys that seem to have a total commitment to competing and winning.

    Most noticeable omission is probably Smart, but to honest he wasn’t really close… I had guys like Ennis, Kilpatrick, and Russ Smith ahead of him. Yogi would be right there with him after his defensive performance on Sunday.

    Wonder how it will stack up to what the “heads” think at the end of the season…

  17. You’re such a buzz kill…

    But there is a certain level of selfishness in staying in college when so many are foaming at the mouth for your potential generating their own wealth/future worth.

    I like a rebel with a certain amount of distaste for the all those handlers and meddlers of the world that have “your best interest” at heart. Give me a break…These players are nothing other than a commodity in the wallet of desires that have nothing to do with ultimately satisfying what could be many more reasonable options to give a talent the most of a rewarding college experience and an irreplaceable education.

    If only all these handlers had half the honesty the academic adviser at NC who lost her job after unveiling the corruption in the athletics program…Denying her statements and her erasing her longstanding solid reputation after finally letting the truth be known to how NC was giving passing grades to athletes that could barely read or write beyond the elementary school level…Yeah, stay in school. Be selfish. The NBA is nothing but a chance for a wealthy tycoon to put a higher price on denying you true equality. Be selfish and spit their eye…They sell the public a bag of goods as if the Richard Shermans make up for the degradation a system nothing other than high-priced servitude.

  18. I understand that reality can be a buzzkill, Harvard. That’s why so many people get buzzed in the first place… But it’s still reality.

  19. “Meanwhile, Cody averages about 4 pts. per game…and is nothing of Hoosier legend. Vonleh stands poised to erase the disappointment of hype undelivered.”

    Wow, serious Zeller bashing going on. And implying, based on no facts whatsoever that Cody’s heart was not in it at Indiana.

    Serious delusion going on here…..again. What world do you live in? Why the bashing of Cody Zeller? What a great kid. What a great player for IU. He is half way through his rookie year…..

    15th among rookies in scoring. 13th among rookies in minutes played. Seems reasonable to me for a guy who was drafted as a sophomore based on potential. Still has a lot of potential.

    There is a level of animosity for Zeller that is just unseemly. Especially about a fine young man who represented the University so well, and continues to do so.


  20. Harvard,

    For a guy who presents a persona of idealizing big time college basketball, you are very mean-spirited.

  21. “Delusional” and “mean-spireted.” Are we surprised? Yet it seems there’s a touch of something else motivating those comments about Zeller.

    Is it just Zeller? I don’t recall any VO bashing of late, yet didn’t Victor leave IU early too? Is it a sophomore thing or a native Indiana thing, a big man thing, or a get-your-degree thing? Or maybe it’s something else entirely?

  22. Harvard,

    I will NEVER fault a young man for taking the kind of money afforded to NBA lottery picks given that there is, in all elite sports, a 100% probability of getting injured if one plays long enough. How valuable to the NBA would Zeller be if he got his knee wrecked in one of the Big 10 football games that we claim are basketball games. How likely would Gordon have been to get a lottery pick if his knee problems were apparent 3 years sooner? Why do you think these kids that have little chance to have a life after college without Basketball (not all the kids on the team, but definitely the lottery picks) to risk losing it all for an outside chance at a banner? Even if we had the 7 best players in the NCAA, the 2nd best team would still be likely to win 4.9/10 times on average in a head to head match up.

    I did a sport where going pro means putting on a 30lb costume and dunking basketballs off mini-tramps and entertaining children. My “pro” career in gymnastics meant getting a free trip to the emergency room (and by free, I mean I couldn’t afford a place to live afterwards) for $100 a game (10 broken bones and several soft tissue injuries over 6 years), plus another $300 a week to teach kids how to do the sport. And I didn’t get to sit on the bench when I was hurt – I had to suit up anyway or lose the income I needed – and had to make the flip dunk with the broken toe/knee/rib. Honestly, I feel lucky to have done it, injuries and all – I know what it feels like to make 60k people stand up and scream. But believe me, had I been offered even $100k to be a pro mascot back at IU, I would have bolted so fast that Coach wouldn’t have known I was gone until the letter arrived in the mail. I don’t see how a 19 year old with the opportunity to make millions doesn’t take that opportunity and avoid the risk of injury. If a player has the opportunity to be a draft pick, except in the most extraordinary circumstances, they would be foolish not to take the money and run.

  23. It’s a pass thing, and a puke thing. You guys give him(Zeller) a pass because of who he is and ppl who deal with reality and results, potential, drive, fire competitiveness and grown up adult basketball puke at that “what a nice boy!” Mentality. He’s a cheese ball goof ball “good kid” who doesn’t have the drive and fire to become great. He has the right to do that but sadly he’s never spent one day in the lane of a fierce competitor like a Lance Stephenson or any other underprivileged kid who sees the joy out of making something of themselves instead of merely being 7ft and “athletic”…it’s a disservice to the spirit of the game and to Zeller for ppl to continually give him a pass merely because “he’s a nice kid from a nice family”…puke. He doesn’t deal with the reality of big time ball tho cause he plays for wnba Bobcats. If he was 4th pick in draft by a true bball city he’d be under constant fire and maybe, just maybe, under adversity for the first time in his life he’d rise to the occasion and find the spark needed to be great…and/or develop any 1 post move…

  24. I sorta think Zeller ate up the attention….And I also sorta think Noah is more mature at 18 than Cody at 21.

    I don’t think Cody was ready for the NBA in a cultural sense far more than a basketball sense….There’s a lot of sinning going on. It’s a lot consume and process for a kid that just appears so devoted to things not valued in today’s society.

    And I know I’ll take a lot of crap for this, but I don’t believe Crean was the right coach for Cody(again, not from a purely basketball perspective).

    Cody needed something less comfortable to his own ideology. He needed to be challenged beyond the basketball court. He needed some fresh perspectives of differing values and something far less safe a model of his hometown/family strict moral code.

    It can’t be easy to experience the shock treatment of mega millions in your face inside a world so unfamiliar. I do not envy him for one minute. I believe he has the potential to still be a real force in the NBA. I just feel that IU was not the best choice(nor NC)….He should have gone to somewhere completely outside the box of expectations….Davidson? VCU? Get out of Indiana at a place that wasn’t stuck in stuffy traditions. He should have gone somewhere he could discover who he really was rather than what everyone else wanted him to live up to and be.

    As far as not believing he’s “legendary” IU material..? Please tell me anyone in the world of sports considered a legend that hasn’t played on the biggest stage his/here respective sport? Larry Bird is an Indiana “legend.” Steve Downing is a Hoosier basketball legend. Keith Smart…And yes, Bob Knight.

    Does it sound like bashing? It’s bashing and it’s frustration. It’s frustration in the trend to elevate athletes to greatness based on journalistic perceptions, hype, catchy phrases(e.g. “you wrecked the program”..”we were decimated”…”everything hinges”…”the movement,” etc, etc, etc)…All those expression contain nothing of becoming a legend in your sport. They are in themselves a level of self-anointment that goes along the tiring trend to make Indiana more than true achievements that were earned with quiet confidence.

    If you want to believe legends are high draft picks, then that’s your choice. Maybe without all the hype and adulation that’s thrown on 16-year-old’s, they could actually have the chance to blossom, make choices less influenced by a public and press starved to make mountains out of any molehill…Maybe they would make more independent choices and not live their lives to simply be a spoke in the wheel of how things are supposed to work. Sorry, but I just want my “legends” to be different. And when Indiana has not sniffed a banner for nearly 30 years, the door was wide open for two extremely talented Hoosiers to be the greatest legends in Indiana University’s basketball history.

    In this basketball fan’s humble opinion, simply because Indiana had some young men and coaches that were labeled as “program wreckers,” doesn’t make anyone that keeps their nose clean and becomes a high draft pick a statewide legend.

    In the backdrop of all the tongue bashing our current coach put upon our recent past group of “wreckers”(not to be confused with Reckers), it was a constant desire at ‘legend creation’ more than the reality of a ton of manufactured hype that fell far short of putting Indiana back into the “elite” crowd of basketball programs and actually playing on the biggest stage(Final Four) many a less glorified Hoosier team.

    Richard Sherman is a legend. He backed up the talk.

    Knight is a legend. He’s why we could have “program wreckers.”

    Steve Downing is an Indiana legend. He put an unheralded Hoosier team on his back and took them all the way to a Final Four. He then proceeded to outplay the most thoroughly hyped, All-American, magazine cover boy from UCLA.

    Dipo and Zeller? No more legendary than Kirk Haston. Kirk was also a very nice young man and quite the talented basketball player…Could shoot the outside ball better than most our current roster(and that’s not hyperbole).

  25. Top Ten Names Not Jeremy:

    10. Jeremoolah

    9. Jeremeh

    8. Jeremuffin

    7. Jeremuslim

    6. Jeremoonshine

    5. Jeremeow

    4. Jeremidget

    3. Jeremaudlin

    2. Jeremule

    1. Jeremyope

  26. OldIUGymnast-

    I highly doubt Zeller, Oladipo, or Gordon would have been standing in the unemployment line if their basketball worlds would have crumbled. Where’s Robbie Hummel? Is he doing alright? Seventeen blown out knees later, he’s putting up the same ppg. numbers as Cody Zeller. Maybe he makes a little less money. I’m sure he’ll be just fine.

    I do understand that many a college player doesn’t really have much hope beyond basketball. It’s a sad reflection of our cities and our horrific education system that continues to fail many inner city kids. I don’t blame them for using their basketball skills to escape a broken system that’s abandoned them from the beginning. To escape those streets makes you somewhat of a legend before you even put on the college uniform of choice. It certainly makes you someone that has defied the staggering odds against you.

    Does any of that change my mind with how Indiana was overly hyped(not just by journalists, but by many within)because of the backdrop of the “program wrecker.” Does that make Cody Zeller & Co. legends of IU? Not in my book.

    Now the door is open for the ‘Pipeline’ Hoosiers and Mr. Noah Vonleh to end the 30-year-old drought. And if Noah and Yogi choose to roll the dice and wait for Mr. Blackman? Maybe Indiana and the candy stripes can regain some of the “legendary” luster that’s been missing for far too long. It’s simply too rich of a basketball state to let the NBA whore it out of relevancy with mega paychecks and promises. Can any of these young taste what it would feel like to get off a bus in Bloomington while carrying an NCAA National Championship trophy? Can they begin to imagine the Kirkwood streets and the eternal memories that no dollar sign could ever claim?

  27. oops.

    …wait for Mr. [Blackmon]

    And to basically get back to the point where this all started…a contemplation of a rather simple prognostication that I have no clue whatsoever will end up being the reality:

    In agreement with Geoff and unlike the team of Scoop journalists, I don’t believe Noah will choose to go pro after this season. I agree with Geoff’s many assertions that he has a different “plan.” Maybe the plan is more education to make himself and his family proud in his valuing the importance of learning. Maybe part of the plan is watching a team of athletes blossom into a true NCAA Final Four caliber team. Maybe he likes the idea of how his numbers will skyrocket and the paint will unclog with the hugely talent Blackmon added to the mix? I don’t know what his “plans” are…I simply share the same gut feeling as Geoff that he will stay.

  28. Trying to determine something so qualifying is futile. I mean, it is interesting to discuss, but ultimately rife with the same issues that comes with discussing in Rolling Stone the Top 50 Bands of all time.

    Anyway, I’m not sure I agree with the Zeller sentiments. Maybe some of you expected Shaq-like stats, which is crazy, but Zeller was truly great for us. I’ll never forget him utterly dominating MIchigan on the road to win the Big Ten outright. Mitch McGary is probably sitting in his back brace having PTSD of what Cody did to him last year (twice!).

    You guys sound like someone that was dumped on prom night. How dare Zeller go to the NBA to realize his (and every other basketball player on earth) dream of playing at the highest level! He should be walking to class in the cold from Cook Hall in the 20-degree weather, scaping nickels together to buy a pitcher of beer at Nick’s. Because of the candy stripes, man.

    I sure hope Vonleh stays. I’m dubious, but I’m often wrong about this stuff, so who cares what I think. Also, I don’t want to get my hopes up, so if he does leave, I end up ranting on a blog about him breaking up with me.

  29. But he persevered through horrible injuries and still ultimately made it to the NBA.

    The apples and apples are shared in the fact that young men like Zeller, Dipo, and Eric Gordon were not in the same “all or nothing” group that would see their worlds crumble without basketball. And the likelihood of a career ending injury or an injury that would take them completely off any future draft? It’s all history. They’ve made their choice. They worked their butts off to deserve the opportunities that were presented.

    But please don’t tell me they are the stuff of Hoosier legend. What Cody Zeller did create was a level of unprecedented momentum. He gave legendary recruitment momentum more than legendary results for a coach that would have likely seen his witch hunt speeches die at the Sampson bonfire without Cody’s hat to hang the next 10 years.

    Zeller was of legendary importance to Tom Crean’s resume. Dipo is a great talent and he deserves a ton of credit for elevating his game, but without Zeller he would been on teams struggling to make the NIT. The headlines would have been much more difficult and the going home parties far less likely. For many personal successes, “everything” did hinge on Zeller.

    But the measure of a legend is someone that elevates teams and lives to make the choices not so in vogue or wholly opportunistic. Who doesn’t like a little sacrifice in their legends? I think Crean tweets about it everyday.

    Every man has a beautiful story beyond being a lottery pick of anything. To overemphasize and glorify their accomplishments(often blessed by mere size and raw athleticism) is an affront to all that work just as hard and humbly walk off a Hoosier court with no less heart and love for the game.

    Maybe VJ III and Mo Creek are the true legends of the post-Sampson era…? Or maybe Christian Watford? I hate to use the word “owe,” but I sorta think we sometimes owe a bit of responsibility to do their names equal justice amongst all the overkill and salivating over “lottery picks.”

  30. Geoff-

    You’re beginning to get very strong at memorable blips/phrases…

    Could you please define the following with some added details/opinions:

    A. What makes IU’s half court offense the “worst” in all of college basketball? Is it the worst because of coaching? Is it the worst because of youth not following the coaching? Is it the worst because of the curves of improvement are not as steep as first thought with the incoming class? Is it the “worst” by mere hyperbole your unequaled plethora of basketball knowledge?

    B. Could you further explain what the Hoosier team is ‘bridging’ toward with your description of this season as a “bridge year.” If Noah goes pro, is there still a “bridge?” What will bridge us from going from the “worst” half court offense to whatever it is you expect on the other side of the bridge?

    C. You have said that Noah has a “different plan.” What do you think is his motivating factors on not taking a shot at the NBA as a top 10 draft pick? What is in the “plan” that makes him decide against the fast dollars? Why do you think he is willing to risk so much and possibly throw away an NBA future based on this “plan?” Do you know him personally? Is it fair to make this assumption of his glorious “plan” without knowing him personally? Is this merely your personal hope that he stays and achieves something Cody was unwilling to “plan” at the risk of losing his own chances at the NBA dreams?

  31. If a couple Big 10 games against Mitch is Cody’s legendary squirt, then there are some on here that had a much bigger man crush on Zeller than Harvard ever had on McGary.

    McGary played like an unstoppable gladiator in the NCAA tournament, in the madness of March’s most prominent basketball stage, as a freshman that had averaged half the amount of PT minutes during the regular season campaign.

    Remember, it was Mitch as a freshman against Cody as a sophomore. “Apples and oranges,” as Geoff stated…Apples and oranges.

  32. Next Year’s ‘Top Ten New Audibles’ used by Peyton Manning to replace “Omaha!”….

    10. HYPERBOLE!!
    7. SUPER BLAH!
    6. JONAH HILL!
    6. OBI-WAN!
    5. DEMEROL!
    3. OB-La-Di, Ob-LA-DA!
    1. KING TUT!

  33. I feel like crap, so my answers may be short… Plus I will be repeating myself.

    A. I no longer feel that way. The last couple games have shown tremendous improvement. Prior to that, it was a total lack of movement. I don’t know if it was because they literally didn’t have an offense, or just lacked the wherewithal to execute even the simplest form of it. I described already what I witnessed… Punjab and I had a bit of back and forth… I don’t feel like rehashing.

    B. I have always felt like this was a year where there were too many players getting their feet wet. There wasn’t a single player returning to a role they played last year… Although some have fallen into to the diminished roles of last year. Yogi was now the man. Sheehey was now a starter and a leader. Perea and Hollowell had to step into expanded roles…. 6 freshmen. We had zero continuity. So I felt like we had plenty of talent, but not enough to make a serious run at a Final Four. I thought our preseason ranking in the 20’s was accurate, and I’m disappointed we haven’t been able to fulfill some of that promise. But I felt like a Sweet 16 was maxed potential for this team.

    If Noah leaves then all bets are off. We’ll be better, simply because we’ll have a lot of returning experience… Guys like Yogi, Stan, and Williams stepping right back into roles they played this year. Another offseason of development for Perea can’t hurt, nor for Devin Davis. Hollowell and Fischer really throw a wrench into things, but adding Blackmon, who I think is a can’t miss prospect, and Johnson who can probably give solid minutes behind Yogi (instead of Marlin) create depth and shooting. But everything hinges on Noah returning. We’ll be as deep and talented as any team in the country at guard next year, but with his talent and presence inside IU will be serious contenders next year.

    C. I wouldn’t go so far as to say I know him personally, but I played against him and I spoke with him 1-on-1 on 2 occasions when he was at New Hampton. It’s his general vibe and the things he says. He just doesn’t seem to be in a rush. He seems eager to learn. According to his prep coach, who I’ve talked to a few times, he comes from a solid family that values education. They don’t seem to be rushing him. I think he reclassified because he was already on pace to graduate early and this would give him the opportunity to mature for 2 years at college (minimum) before going to the NBA. He’s as humble a kid as I’ve ever met. He has a friendly, confident, almost naive innocence about him (at least a year ago he did). There’s confidence without ego.

    I don’t know what to say other than it’s the sum of all the parts that I experienced, and not any singular or definitive statement that was made by anyone.

  34. Thanks for those answers, Geoff.

    Everything hinges on Noah…staying. Please stay, Noah. I’m being selfish. Take some more classes. 30 more credit hours vs. 20 million dollars deposited into your checking account within 3 months? Stay a Hoosier. Don’t whore yourself out to the NBA prematurely. Bring home the banner. The Establishment will fester for eternity. Zeller can get the monkey of his back and become a dominating force for the LA Lakers in 3 years.

    It all hinges on you, Noah. No pressure. Luke Fischer left..Sometimes that’s just the way the cookie crumbles. You owe me nothing…But 30 years is a long time. Cookies go stale after 30 years…even Oreo cookies. Did I tell you that you remind me of Steve Downing? You’re just a relentless quiet and decent young man. I still think Downing had more fluid movement and a more dynamite turnaround move in the post, but you’ll get there. Protect the ball better in traffic. Go up strong and don’t take that extra dribble.

    Please stay.
    Thank you, Harvard.

    P.S. I don’t even care if you spank Mitch…Damn fool should have taken his little Chesterton H.S. team to a state title.

  35. I understand you love Mitch, but here were his tournament numbers…

    14.3 ppg, 10.6 rbs (6 NCAA games)

    Here are Cody’s career numbers…

    16.1 ppg, 7.3 rbs (72 career games)

    14.3 ppg, 8 rbs (6 NCAA games)

    So basically Cody’s average night was Mitch’s magical ride. And their tournament number are similar.

  36. And forgot…


    Hope you feel better. Wow..You played against Noah. I’m impressed. I played against Noahbody.

    Someday we’ll do lunch and then we’ll find an outdoor court and I will crush you.

  37. Geoff-

    Did they play the same teams in the NCAA tournament? And their tournament numbers are similar… other than the fact that Mitch played two more games, won three more games, and carried his team to a championship game…Other than that, their worlds collide.

    Now you get some rest…Big game tomorrow night. I basically think the NCAA hopes pretty much teeter on winning at ‘The Barn.’

  38. Do they have this at ITH? Just look at that post #43 from Geoff…You’re never going to get that level of depth and understanding this game we so love at that cheap motel run by Bizitch.

    Do they have someone with the wit a Double Down at ITH? They have Pollyanna zombies that are as boring paint drying.

    Do they have top 10 lists resembling anything the great Remora?

    Scoop reigns supreme. It’s not a numbers thing. It’s not the number of Crean videos. It’s filet mignon compared to their hamburger helper. There is simply no blogging site in the world of sports that can compare to Hoosier Scoop. Dustin, Jeremy, and Andy have brought their unparalleled skill sets and allowed freedoms to make it as such. Long live Scoop.

  39. Sheehey is, by far, the most undervalued Hoosier.

    I used to not be a big fan…I have done a complete 180 on Sheehey. He’s gone from cocky goofball to quiet and confident leader. He’s more fit and his game is coming along very nicely. He’ll be a big determining factor on whether or not we finish the second half this Big 10 season on the upswing.

    It may be a bridge year, but we’re going to miss Sheehey next season. He has a mojo and confidence that many around him absorb. He’s using that confidence in a much more productive fashion in this final season as a Hoosier.

  40. H4H, I too like WS. If he could shoot at a higher proficiency he would nearly be Hondo Havlicek 21st century.

  41. Going retro on me there, Clarion.

    Any comparison to an NBA great like Havlicek is high praise. Maybe a little bit of Jerry Sloan’s fierceness..?

    I realize he’s still inconsistent at times with the jumper, but I think it’s getting closer. He just seems more under control this year. Hard to put my finger on it, but he’s crisper in his movements and appears quicker. And maybe it’s just me, but his attitude really seems in the right place. I’m sensing a big game for him very soon…Maybe tomorrow night?

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