Notes and quotes from Indiana’s 37-15 loss to Maryland

A bad day appeared to become much worse when Indiana left tackle Jason Spriggs hobbled off the field in the fourth quarter of Saturday’s 37-15 loss to Maryland.

Spriggs was helped off the turf by medical staffers before limping to the sideline under his own power.

IU coach Kevin Wilson said after the game that someone fell into Spriggs’ leg and that he was cleared to return before the end of the game. He was replaced by Peyton Eckert.

“We’ll see where he is moving forward,” Wilson said.

Senior safety Mark Murphy dressed but did not play after suffering a hamstring injury at during a midweek practice. Chase Dutra replaced him and made four tackles, one for a loss and had two pass breakups in his first career start.

Some other notes from Indiana’s loss can be found after the jump.

— Indiana rushed for 206 yards on Saturday, marking the fourth time in as many games that the Hoosiers have eclipsed the 200-yard mark. Maryland stacked the box at times against Tevin Coleman, who finished with 122 yards on 22 carries. Take out his 43-yard burst in the third quarter and he would have averaged 3.7 yards per carry.

“They came out and played better,” Coleman said. “We weren’t playing to our standard, and we weren’t out there doing well, so we just need to have another week of good practice. … There were just things off as a team. We didn’t play as well as we should’ve and things happen.”

— Maryland, with its league-worst rush defense, had the upper hand against Indiana’s backfield. Part of that may have come from the Terps’ work in the film room.

Linebacker Cole Farrand, who finished with 19 tackles, including 11 solo stops and 1.5 tackles behind the line, said Maryland defenders picked up on tells in order to stop IU’s zone running game.

“I think it was discouraging them a little bit because we were calling out the plays they were going to run all the time,” Farrand said. “The film study helped, we knew what was going on and I think that is what led to us having such a good defensive game.”

— Despite the above, Coleman continues to make his mark in the Indiana record book, as well as on the national leaderboard. He set the Indiana program record by scoring a touchdown in his 13th consecutive game, the longest streak in the nation, breaking Anthony Thompson’s mark of 12. It was Coleman’s sixth straight 100-yard game, the longest streak in the nation, and the eighth in his career.

Coleman’s streak of six consecutive 100-yard games is tied for third in IU history with Thompson (twice). Coleman is tied for seventh all-time at IU with 20 rushing scores and tied for ninth with 21 total touchdowns.

— Shane Wynn had three catches to bring his career total to 154, tying him for fourth all-time in Indiana history with Tandon Doss. Wynn also had at least one critical drop. His second-down whiff on a ball to the sideline stalled IU’s second drive of the third quarter, sending IU on its way to two straight three-and-outs.

— Linebacker Flo Hardin and nose tackle Nate Hoff each had their first career sacks. Hoff finished with a career-high four tackles, including two for a loss.

— In addition to Dutra, tight end Anthony Corsaro also made his first career start.


  1. Maryland defenders picked up on “tells”, is that a typo or what is a tell?

    I new from the 1st quarter the Terps coaching staff had done a fine job scouting IU’s O during their film study. We needed NS’s arm to change that dynamic but it was not his day. Nate “Hoss” Hoff had himself a day though at NT. I think Green playing beside Hoss at the DT would be a combination hard to counter? We handled their run game well. I wonder if we would have stayed in a nickle and/or dime if we could have slowed down the passing enough they would have made an adjustment? Wilson found a kicker. In fact decent ST’s play when you consider the Twerps are damn strong in that part of the game. IU’s film study from this game will be the most beneficial of any for making improvements this season. The 2 TD’s called back sure would have made Maryland play a little more conservatively as they would have had to respect the IU striking ability much more. IU had a bad day some of which was caused by Maryland but both teams had a bad day caused of the refs. The IU pass at the sideline reviewed by that bunch of blind mice was an atrocious call. Like I mentioned earlier I bet it is “hell week” on the IU practice field this week.

  2. in this case a tell is something in the way the offense lined up gave away what the play was before the ball was snapped. the maryland defense already knew the play, which means maryland’s coaching staff is better than indiana’s. if anyone should endure a hell week it should be the coaches, especially wilson. what happened to him being this great innovator? our receivers were never open, while i see wide open receivers in various games all day long.

  3. The next big question for the season – if we beat N. Texas, will Miller write a story about it being a program changing win?

    If you’re a long time #IUFB fan, you were conditioned to expect yesterday’s loss. The Missouri win was akin to the saying the sun shines on a dog’s butt every now and again. Tre Roberson was the program changing player but the lack of commitment by the staff showed their true short sightedness in viewing the intangibles of the game.

  4. Hoosier , a “tell” can be aligning the same way over and over on certain plays …or scheme of plays. It can be guards,tackles, or running backs. Since this was Maryland’s first venture in Big10,willing to bet that they used video from last year and so far this year.”Tells” can also be habits that players develope when the come to line and line up

  5. In my day it was called knowing the call. What is even worse is TR’s lack of commitment to the team isn’t what Nate’s is. No coachv the OL was owned and that is on them as they played a better D line last week. 1/2 of the Terps starting rotation was injured. I have stated the proper target for hell week.

  6. We made Mary’s defense good by giving them those “tells,” we TIPPED our plays!
    After watching our prior games film, that Mary’s players, alone and even without instantaneous help from their coaches on the bench, said they “knew” what was coming, is an utter insult to our offensive coaching, planning, and preparation.

    If there’s a hell-week, it should be on the coaches. They should be sending roses, chocolates and stipends to the Mary player who let us in on the secret to explaining the performances and outcome of this game.

  7. Jay Bee with our OL against their patched together DL we could have told them the hole we were going through and made yards if we would have blocked as in the Mizzou game. I think too much credence is being given to bragging about the “tells”.

  8. No problem with a loss to Terps. Solid team.

    Big problem with the lack of competing. Just horrible. Although, as alluded to in this thread, as a long-time fan, can’t be particularly surprised by the momentum-deflating performance. Quintessential IU football.

  9. While I agree the play calling seemed uninspired for this game, 2 other things stood out to me. I can think of at least 3 dropped passes by our receivers and literally 10 bad passes from Sudfeld that if they are out on target are caught. There is a reason we are running so much, and it’s not just the fact Coleman and crew are such good running backs. The passing game has regressed I just am not sure if it’s the qb, wrs, or both.

  10. I’m really not all that upset about this loss. Maryland is a very good FB team, talented and well coached. We had a bad day offensively which will happen to any team from time to time. The officiating was unacceptable and I think we’ll see some B1G adjustments there.

    Folks, for IU, there are no easy wins. There are no cupcakes for us at least not at our current talent/depth level. But, we’re getting better and I think 6 wins is still a possibility.

    Beat North Texas!

  11. same old hoosiers!!no, not this year i believe in coach Wilson and this IU team. i believe in coach Wilson taking this program to a different level. we are recruiting and getting a upgrade of talent each and every year, not at just one position but at several position….the lost to Maryland hurts, but we are capable of rebounding from this lost. Everybody is capable of being beat in the BIG 10 this year…so yes i still believe in this program……keep up the good work coach WIlson and GO IU

  12. Anybody notice that Kansas fired Charlie Weis today? Oh, how terribly unfair! How despicable that the AD at KS could terminate such a nice man. A coach who’s team was 6 – 22 over the last two and a quarter seasons got fired? That’s not fair! I’m sure, if they’d just given him more time, say three or four more seasons, Weis would have turned things around at Kansas. Besides, everybody knows Kansas is a basketball school; always has been and always will be. It’s not Weis’s fault that his team was terrible over the last three seasons and finished last in their conference. You can’t hold a coach responsible for his players not playing well or winning! It’s not the coaching staff’s fault if they can’t recruit quality players, or get them to play together as an effective team. You can’t blame a highly paid coach for low team morale. That’s just so unfair to Mr. Weis. And it’s so disruptive to his family. Just think of the trauma that will cause his wife. How will he and his family survive without his multimillion dollar salary after Kansas pays him millions of dollars in severance to buy out his contract? Isn’t Weis entitled to keep his job as long as he wants to work? Oh golly gee, this is just so unfair to treat such a good and nice man this way.

  13. HC- Tre made his decision, get over it. “[L]ack of commitment” is, in my opinion, an unfair shot. Big time college sports = looking out for Number One. Who knows, maybe Tre’s regretting his decision right now. But then again, maybe not. Ill. St. is 3-0 and won 55-6 last Sat. Tre was 12/16 for 222 yds. Sounds like fun (which is what playing football is supposed to be) to me.

    JayBee- no need to send flowers to the Mary player who talked out of school; it was clear that the Mary staff had the IU offense doped out from the get-go. IU was simply outcoached last week- on both sides of the ball. IU was completely flat v. Mary, and that’s on the coaches, too.

    PO- I did see that Weiss got fired. Never thought of him as particularly nice guy, though. I fact he was kind of arrogant if you ask me. Kansas is probably doing him a favor by firing him, the guy has health problems. Let’s hope he uses his down time (and piles of $$$) to get better.

  14. davis, get over what? TR made the decision to leave not the coaches. They gave him every opportunity to compete everyday to separate himself as the best QB. When he decided he could not compete and win he lowered his sights and called Illinois St. Yes he is doing very well there. Particularly last week against ah,ah,ah,ah, oh ya Austin Peay. But I’ll tons he wonders many times a day “what if I’d stayed”. That is just 1 of those things you face in life, you have to get over it or die with a grudge.

  15. HC – obviously the QB evaluation was based on 7-on-7 pro passing drills. Under these conditions, Antwaan Randle El wouldn’t beat out Sudfeld. But obvious to everyone but our coaches, there is more to measure a QB on than how pretty his passes are and arm strength. Wilson has never showed any indication that he is more than a paint by numbers coach.

  16. Maybe Kansas hired Charlie because he was once a coordinator for a great coach. Sometimes guys just make better coordinators and should not be a head coach.Look at Lane Kiffen at Alabama.

  17. Post #12 was dedicated to those Scoop contributors that went crazy and attacked me last year when I suggested IU needed a new Defensive Coordinator. I got a kick out of the people who argued that three years was not enough time for a coach’s performance to be evaluated. Obviously Kansas disagreed and fired an ineffective head coach in even less time.

    Being a coordinator for a great head coach does not mean a person will be an effective head coach. Being a corporate VP does not mean a person will be an effective CEO. Being the sole leader requires different attributes than being a key lieutenant. There’s a reason why the best head coaches and the best corporate CEOs receive a lot more compensation than their respective immediate subordinates. All the responsibility for the organization’s performance, especially bad performance, falls on them. “Success has many fathers, but failure has only one.”

  18. Po, I think the main issue with the firing of Coach Mallory was whether the timing of the discussion was the ‘most appropriate’, given we were in the middle of the B1G season. A second issue, from my point-of-view, at least, was that I was, indeed, certain that CKW was going to review the issue of Indiana’s defensive performance given that it was a national offensive leader and was still losing.

    So, I had no doubt that the proper place for the decision was in Kevin Wilson’s hands and pushing him on the subject was not needed and, possibly, counter-productive. The main point was that the issue was being brought up as a ‘demand’ and I strongly disagree with that. It was CKW’s team, his vision, his program, his management and, questioning those realities could only become a regressive factor. That would was also true in any corporation or hierarchical situation I’ve known of as well. Leaders lead; and until a change is made, their subordinates salute, implement his/her policies and give the leadership all of their support. The same is true in the Army. Gen Casey, the then Joint Chief of Staff was not the most enlightened nor effective leader/planner. But, Petraeus, Odierno and several other 3, even 4-stars had only the option of saluting his stars or resigning. The same was true when Gen. Powell led the JCoS when the war in Iraq was turned in our favor.

    Leaders not only must lead; but, they must be allowed to lead for an organization to be coherent, cohesive, consistent and, ultimately, successful.

    Whatever the issues may be now; CKW is the head coach and it is up to us to accept and support that reality. I believe he’s got everything I want and need at Indiana to turn the pieces into an effective, successful machine.

    I do not question your allegiance Podunker. Simply, in this respect I agree with HC that we not get ahead of ourselves and unwittingly tear down some of the significant progress we have made. Like our team, we too must maintain and sustain discipline.

  19. Regardless of perceiving it to be a right or wrong thing to do, most Hoosier fans understood that Doug Mallory was a son of a pretty respected name around Hoosier Football.

    I think some wanted Doug Mallory’s head on a plate from the day he was hired because they came with their own set of prejudices. There’s often a resentment factor that sons of prominent names don’t deserve positions and are merely being hired because of their name.

    We are in a quick-fix culture…Winning should be quick. Relationships should be quick. Our news gathering should be quick. Our purchasing should be quick. Our ridding of wildlife from our backyards should be quick to put in the new strip mall as quick as possible…. Pill taking to end depression should be quick. Pick up the pills at the pharmacy drive-thru after the quick trip to the Walmart so big that it’s almost impossible to ever get out of quickly. The gastric bypass surgery to end 20 years of eating lard, bacon, and donuts should be quick. The whiteners on the teeth should act quicker to get rid of the dingy stains from our many quick trips for Starbuck’s coffee. Who has the time to brew? . Our gorging on unhealthy, prepared foods should be quick..We cook the packaged foods quickly after quickly scurrying ovee to the daycare center to pick up the kids we almost forgot to puck up because they were the result of the quick decision to go to bed quickly with someone we found out all we needed to know after two hours a few quick drinks.

    We’re overworked. Those long days at desks seem far too long in this quick world. We sit in traffic for far too many hours. The line at Walmart is too long…They should fire that idiot that doesn’t know how to work the U-Scan terminals….They probably quickly trained the dimwit….We bring our frustrations to the table and push them upon the few hours of joy(watching our favorite sports teams on the box)and demand the same diet of quick fixes we’d like to believe is making our own world and mental health quickly serviceable and so, quickly, delightful.

    Wilson is operating in a quick world his quick offense.. We like it. .Quickly we must go on the offensive down the field….Quickly we must score…Quickly as we do score, we expect the tired defense not part of our head coach’s quick concern and expertise, to quickly shut the door on long-experienced football teams built on the slow and respected.. And then he quickly solves any shortcoming in that department by showing Mallory the quick door and the bus to quickly get him out of town. It’s easier that way. It subdues the frustrations. It quickly buys time. It quickly shuts up the critics. It calls of the dogs that want their quick winning in a bowl faster than pouring out the quick bag of Alpo for the quick feeding of the family pet you’ll give a quick two pets each day in return for some quick barking up your leg.

    Turn on CNN…? It’s just more of the same…World terrorists fix their problems with a quick beheading quickly thrown onto websites quickly assembled featuring innocent men that never stood in the way of their happiness before the quick knife ends it all. Now we quickly go to war to line the pockets of the missile makers….A quick bombing of a country is on the president’s lunch menu…He makes a joke of quickly ordering a drone strike against any zit-faced teenagers having any ideas of pushing things to quickly with any of his daughters….The irony.

  20. Let’s also make mention that turning around a program like Indiana University Football is not just difficult, it is unprecedented. People can point to easy targets like fan support and ‘Hoops culture, when IU has woefully neglected the entire athletic dept moving into the modern era.

    Kevin Wilson left one of the best programs historically and currently to take the Indiana job. We were getting turned down by coaches that wouldn’t have taken the gig if we offered them $10 mil/year, free hookers and fighter jet escorts any time the exit their house.

    CKW is far from perfect, but I see a guy who is demonstrating personal growth and is building a solid culture around a program surrounded by whining, ambivalent or frustrated fans. I admire his cajones for taking the job over the myriad of others he could have taken and fighting through these bumps in the road.

    I hope he pulls it off and not just for the sake of my rooting interest, either. I’m rooting for HIM to do it. Obviously, people will believe it when they see it and it takes someone with a lot of courage to be outright dismissed and mocked until it happens.

  21. I think we need to be somewhat careful with words like “courage” when talking of an entertainment industry.

    Courage is the young man on his knees in a desert. Courage is the keeping of faith when easier just to sell it. Often, those with the most “courage” to seek in patience a wider perspective and look deeply inside at the possible abuse of our own powers and freedoms, find the wielding sword of hate and quick terror from those that paint with easy wide brushes.

    I would possibly go with “backbone” for my adjective to describe Wilson…Achieve or fall short of any his own goals, he will leave Indiana plenty comfortable. Maybe go with “courage” for a school teacher relentlessly pushing forward in a struggling neighborhood faced with street violence….or that stoic face in a desert worlds away from thoughts of hate and anger…Courage, dignity, respect, and love for his family is where he chooses to die while on his knees to a concealed coward choosing hate on a quick blade.

  22. PO- I did appreciate the point of post #12 vis a vis Mallory but didn’t mention it ’cause I figured everyone else got it, too. And Tsao recalls correctly that the timing of firing Mallory was the big issue. I was on the “Fire Mallory Now” bandwagon, too, but really can’t fault Wilson for the way he ultimately handled it.

    RAM (and others) are right about coordinators at successful programs not necessarily being successful head coaches; I presume we all know that this caveat applies to Wilson. But Double Down couldn’t have said it better for my thoughts.

    HC- Who knows, Tre may indeed regret his decision. His skill set may very well have allowed him more playing time this year given that IU’s receivers are not nearly of the caliber IU had last year. But to my sensibilities “lack of commitment” smells like a cheap shot at Tre for doing what he thought best for himself in his situation.

    Coaches (assistant and otherwise) leave programs all the time based on their assessment of what’s in their best interest, and although that may not sit well with those of us who have more romantic or idealized notions of big-time college sports I don’t see why young players should be held to some kind of “commitment standard” that is higher or tougher than whatever standard to which their coaches are held.

  23. We didn’t score many points against Maryland…We gave up quite the large share. From my less than courageous perspective of a fan, a tiny inconsequential dot earning in a year what Wilson makes during a timeout, attempting to invest some of my own priceless time in Hoosier Football, it’s doubly troubling: (1)It’s the first signs of holes in a a previously known very potent offense surprisingly faltering against a school, a newcomer to the conference, traditionally not given heavy doses of press as having “football” bloodlines….and (2) a new Hoosier defense, under a new scheme with new OC, looking like the same old weak dam breaking under little force.

  24. HC, obviously others found #12 and #19 worthy of further discussion, which was the point.

    I did not advocate firing Mallory before the end of last season simply because it would not have provided any benefit to IU. And who am I to “demand” anything of anyone with IU’s athletic department? I’m a consistent donor to IU’s Athletic Department, but hardly anyone with any influence. The suggestion that any demand I would ever make would have any influence on the program is just silly. As far as affecting IU’s season last year, I’m confident my comments, or any other Scoop participant, had absolutely no impact on the team’s performance or morale. In fact, I doubt if any of the players, coaches or recruits read the Scoop. If those coaches or players are affected by comments made on a blog like this, they’re too thin skinned to be involved with Big Ten football.

    Kansas decided to fire their head coach in the middle of the season, and I can understand that decision. Losing can become a very bad habit, even a cancer. Morale can sink so low that it can damage individuals and the organization for years after the cause of the low morale has been eliminated. For Kansas, they now have time to find a better coach for their program and get him in place before players elect to transfer and well before the recruiting process is finalized. It was probably a very smart decision to dump Weis now.

    DD, as for turning a college football program like IU around, it has been done on numerous occasions and with programs that were just as bad or worse than IU has been over the years. As I’ve noted in The Scoop in years past, it has been done at Universities with much less to offer a student athlete than IU has to offer. It is certainly not unprecedented, and I just don’t buy that some herculean effort is required to turn IU football into a competitive Big Ten program. It’s not like their is some forcefield preventing athletes from entering IU’s football complex or some mysterious evil spell that has been cast on IU. I’m never going to accept the premise that it can’t be accomplished at IU too. I won’t waste time or space repeating all the programs that have gone from perennial loser to competitive programs within their respective conferences, but it has been done across the country. Bottom line is that it takes money, leadership, and some luck.

  25. H4H- yeah, most everyone seems to have taken it for granted that the offense would rack up big scores every game. The defense seems a little better in the “not blowing tackles” dept., but there are still obvious systemic problems. Troubling, indeed, but (cliché alert) IUFB is still a work in progress. The reality is that IU may only win one or two more games this year. The trend has been improvement, however, and there are bound to be a few hiccups on the way. A 4-8 season will certainly be a huge disappointment, but not reason to freak out over the long term (i.e., seven year KW contract).

  26. I think Podunker is conveniently ignoring the fact that he was very against the Mallory hire from the day it was announced.

    It’s very difficult to make any definitive conclusions whether any other DC name would have fared better under an offensively-obsessed head coach and the “obvious systemic problems”(even larger deficiencies when Mallory was hired than now faced with incremental attention/recruiting improvements given to a team that could at least be very dynamic and entertaining from an offensive side of things)plaguing IU Football for decades.

    Wilson performed the quick fix to call of the dogs…I don’t necessarily feel that it proves anything about Mallory. And with the exodus of some very talented receivers and a dynamic run-option QB, the high-powered offense is getting a brief taste of what Mallory had to work with on the other side of the ball.

    Having talent in some key positions can make a mediocre coach look pretty damn good. Have very limited talent can make a very adequate coach look like a horrible hire.

  27. HC, I’m absolutely devastated and probably won’t be able to sleep tonight over the realization that you place no value in a few of my posts on this string. But thanks for reminding us that you are the arbiter or what constitutes worthwhile comments on the ScoopI I will try to do better.

    Oh the irony you serve up on a silver platter! Since you decided to offer your opinion about the value of my posts on this string, I might point out that nothing is more “worthless” than commenting on the worthiness of another person’s previous comments. At least my comments pertained to college sports. Agree or disagree with the comments, but to comment on the value of another poster’s comment is pure irony, and the perfect example of a worthless comment. Thanks for the amusement.

  28. Podunker, I also questioned (in my mind) the point of your delighted post on the firing of Coach Weis at Kansas.

    Somehow, it seemed that it was your beginning of an argument opening a window into your thought that Indiana, under CKW, was in a similar if not exact same situation. The post (#12 above) seemed as a disguised and nearly stealth argument advocating consideration of firing CKW just as Kansas did. Otherwise, there did not seem to be any point to the post.

    Then, once you posted #19 on the subject of the benefits of hiring ‘experienced’ coaches, taken together with your (post #19) advocating against the hiring of top coordinators- i.e. Kevin Wilson’s successful, respected and honored career at Northwestern and Oklahoma; truthfully Podunker- it pretty much seemed as an adjustment of the cross-hairs of the bazooka targeting Coach Wilson. Remembering Wilson’s strong mathematical background at North Carolina, that targeting may not have the simplicity of adding 1+1; but the equation did, pretty directly, lead to a multiplication solution in the equation

    >(#12)(#19)= -(Kevin Wilson).

    Pretty slick.

    But, I don’t agree. I’ve never been more certain that Wilson) has a very clear vision of what it takes to create a solid football program at IU. He wants tough, large, tall, fast athletes willing to work very hard and consistently on developing their bodies through hard work (in and off season); who are motivated to study the game of football as it relates to their performance (by watching film). He demands that they be able to sustain themselves in a top and, often, difficult B1G academic environment while developing their own character as solid individuals/citizens. And, KW seems to be walking the walk in staying with and being rather uncompromising in installing and remaining faithful to this vision as the blue print for the program.

    Luckily, for Indiana fans who support Wilson’s vision and program, it also seems that AD Fred Glass agreed (at the time of hiring Wilson )and continues to agree with that vision. Glass seems to believe in the eventual outcome and firmly, protects and clears the field for it. And, the majority of intelligent Hoosier fans/supporters seem to be understanding of the challenges facing and the traps (the desire for quick wins that belie it; while remaining unmovable in support of the objective of a solid program, while rejecting the false sense of achievement a win here, a win there, without consistent quality in the program itself. So the strong and solid support for Glass and Wilson continuing towards a final objective of a consistently respected and competitive football program seems pretty firm and overwhelming, despite the noise of doom occasionally raised to sabotage their work.

    Nothing exemplifies the determination of solid Hoosier fans more than the questions raised by Hoosier Clarion (aka HC) about #12 and #19, despite your protestations that folks ‘seemed to be interested in discussing [them]”. Most of us know the road taken will not be smooth and, at times, may get downright rocky. But…the vision of a football program with grit and dignity is the end result and towards that we keep moving…despite what appears to be disguised protestations and attempts to sabotage the undertaking.

    Podunker, if indeed you don’t agree that Wilson (and Glass) have us on the road towards a respectable football program, why take such a circuitous and ‘disguised’ route to saying so. State your case. It may result in other fans telling you to ‘stick it in your ear’ anyway,… but you’ll feel so much better.

  29. Kansas certainly appears to be a struggling football program….A basketball school…? Maybe. But even with all the losing that seems to be in their football stars, there can always be a reason to be gloriously proud and happy. IU Football fans should value many of the those same treasured moments when our eyes are blessed by a comet racing through the heavens to flash its brilliance before us.

    What a joy it is to watch Tevin Coleman run….He is a comet. He is that brief view of something entirely unique breaking out of the darkest skies. There is too much talk of coaches…Marvel at the true gods on the field. To ignore such fleeting moments of beauty on gridiron is a true disservice to your own love for the game.

    I should have known more about Kansas football…I should have known more than what Podunker fed me concerning Charlie Weis. Weis is merely a passing satellite in a current Jayhawk atmosphere of negativity.

    Old men like to talk of old fat coaches getting richer and fatter….When my eyes were young, I talked of the comets…I watched the heavenly creatures on the field that defied the physics of the human body. And if you’re from Chicago, how on earth can you read any post mentioning Kansas football without acknowledging the grace of a god that brought a “Kansas Comet” to the Windy City…? Mr. Gonzalez, you should be ashamed. Did you not watch the “Kansas Comet” with all the love and amazement that you now watch a new classic in Coleman…? Or are you just getting sweaty staring at Wilson’s khakis shaking and baking for the entire game?

    “Give me 18 inches of daylight…That’s all I need.”

  30. During his Jayhawk career, he rushed for 2,675 yards and gained 3,917 all-purpose yards. In 1963, he set an NCAA Division I record with a 99-yard run against Nebraska. In his senior year, he led the Jayhawks to a 15-14 upset victory over Oklahoma with a 96-yard kickoff return. Sayers is considered by many to have been the greatest open field runner in college football history(courtesy: Wikipedia)

  31. Po I am surprised you do not get it. Postings on an IU board about Kansas and their ex-FB-HC was worthless. The only reason it leveraged any conversation at all is because someone felt sorry for you after my describing your posts correctly. I have no idea if there is irony in that or not. But I am damn happy you can sleep.

  32. Clarion-

    I like it…This clip is also sorta fun. It talks about Halas and the wars to get the Kansas Comet in a Bears’ uniform.

    “….like watching a deer run through a minefield.”

  33. Interesting, very interesting comment in the Indy Star featured by their Indiana football writer, David Wood bringing up a more than reasonable issue- extending the length of Coach Kevin Wilson’s contract.

    The issue was brought up through a masterfully thought out and valiant letter from a proud and hopeful Hoosier fan from Noblesville named David Ax. I congratulate Mr. Ax (who I don’t know) for his foresight; and, totally support his view that this is the right moment to extend Coach Wilson’s contract to (a total of) ten years, guaranteeing his leadership of the Hoosiers through 2019.

    There is no question that Coach Wilson has brought dignity and raised the standard of good football at Indiana, to at least the point to where fans are now demanding more. That is one heck of a jump and improvement over the past 20 years, when the only question raised by fans was “who is the next retread we can convince to take the job.”

    We Hoosiers were lucky (and AD Fred Glass inspired in his search) to identify Coach Wilson and convince him to accept the huge challenge that was Indiana University football.

    He (Glass) got the right guy. Recruiting at Indiana has never been better. The talent to raise and achieve these hopes is at IU, as Mr. Ax argues focusing on Wilson’s eye for talent and the staff’s ability to transmit the belief of future greatness to prospective players.

    Mostly, it has been Wilson’s vision of a ‘different’ football than that seen in the B1G. Wilson is imaginative and has developed a reputation for tough and ‘free-wheeling’ football that targets the control of space- sideline-to-sideline and endzone-to-endzone at Indiana that is attractive to both players, prospects and fans. Through it Wilson has given us, in football, ‘the Indiana way’; an aggressive and original- and sometimes risky- (why not?) style different than the traditional 8-yard wide, 4-yard deep traditional B1G ‘also ran’ formula that has typified programs chasing in the wake of Ohio State, Michigan State and Wisconsin.

    It is not a strategy without risk, exactly the reason why Hoosier fans should embrace it. Solid and productive risk taking is indeed a great identity for Hoosiers.

    No doubt there is work to bring Indiana to the point that it establish dominance by asserting its own style. Realistically, the Hoosiers will need to improve exactly in the area where the ‘risk-taking’ will include vulnerability, the historical weakness on the defensive side of the ball. Wilson has aggressively addressed the issue recognizing that an equally ‘creative’ and intense defense must be a part of the “Hoosier way” strategy. He was able to convince a very talented defensive strategist, Coach Knorr to leave Wake Forest and redesign the Indiana defense. A willing acceptance by fans will be the reward for the outcomes of Knorr’s work.

    So, Indiana is solidly positioned to turn over a history of failure into a success worthy of calling the “Hoosier Way”.

    Two things will guarantee the hopes are nurtured and achieve the goal: a consistently wining program. The first is Time- transition of the program from doormat to dominance needs and will continue to need the ‘time’ to go through each of the stages into the maturity that characterizes championship programs.

    First, there is the transition into a program that can compete and win regularly in the same level of other ‘decent’ B1G teams (Iowa, Minnesota); then, emergence into the level of ‘winning’ programs within the B1G (Nebraska, Michigan, Maryland); and, finally, the solid quality that identifies year-in, year-out, consistently ‘championship competition’ against the best programs in the B1G, Michigan State, Wisconsin and Ohio State.

    It takes time to go through the levels between ‘doormat’ and ‘championship. A good calculation is that it will take two to three years to transition through each of the three different levels until we affirm ourselves, competitively, at the top. It is a strategy that will take 10 years from the date of Coach Wilson’s original appointment to to achievement of the goal.

    Said clearly and realistically, Coach Wilson’s plan and efforts are, indeed, on schedule. Hoosier fans must, now, invest emotionally with the foresight to insure the plan remains firmly in place through 2019-2020.

    And, it makes imperative that Indiana University make a statement of conviction to its success by immediately extending Kevin Wilson’s and staff’s contract (properly rewarding their efforts to this point, and remunerating expectations) through 2019-2020. Towards this end, Vice-president and Athletic Director Fred Glass and University President Michael Mc Robbie should workout the details and take to the Board a contract that insures Coach Wilson’s permanence at Indiana as Head Football Coach.

    Showing the conviction of our belief in the direction taken by Head Coach Kevin Wilson, the emerging indications of success and our determination that the Wilson’s success become part of the permanent history of Indiana football, is the only way to end the decades-long embarrassment IU has suffered to this point. A contract that insures Coach Wilson and staff will achieve this goal is, therefore, an obligation and a responsibility that is imperative leadership respond to.

  34. Towards this end, Vice-president and Athletic Director Fred Glass and University President Michael Mc Robbie should workout the details and take to the Board a contract that insures Coach Wilson’s permanence at Indiana as Head Football Coach.

    ensures or “insures”….?

  35. I just wrote a fairly long response to Tsao’s #35. For some reason it did not post. having better things to do than write it again, I’ll keep it short.

    Tsao, you have a tendency to interpret things in the most cynical way possible. You have too much time on your hands and an over-active imagination. My post #12’s point was exactly what I wrote in the first sentence of #19; “Post #12 was dedicated to those Scoop contributors that went crazy and attacked me last year when I suggested IU needed a new Defensive Coordinator. I got a kick out of the people who argued that three years was not enough time for a coach’s performance to be evaluated. Obviously Kansas disagreed and fired an ineffective head coach in even less time.” Nothing more, nothing less.

    For the record, I support Wilson, believe it would be a disaster for IU to replace him any time soon. His win at Missor is all the proof I need. But it would be stupid for IU to extend his contract and give him a big raise until he proves he can lead his program to a winning season. When he does, IU should reward him in a very generous way.

  36. I do sometimes wonder how much improved our defense might look this year if Knorr could have benefited from a good share of last season to implement his style/schemes. Our defense is likely still behind the curve of sorts because of the change in leadership…

    And maybe firing Mallory in mid-season was necessary…It did appear that our completely penetrable defense under Mallory included lapses and poor tackling technique that could only be outdone by the inept protection of the White House under a Secret Service detail.

  37. Part II(#47 cont.)

    Maybe Podunker makes some decent points….Coaches get paid big bucks. IU can’t afford to walk on eggshells. The importance of rebuilding is not just a function of length on contracts, but a function of timeliness and opportunity. Making decisions at the opportune time can ensure momentum is not halted. Waiting to make changes can kill opportunity and momentum (changes that leadership often inevitably decides upon anyway because the street mobs are finally beginning to form)if it becomes too reactive rather than proactive in nature.

    Things do look better under Knorr…And maybe things would have gelled faster this season if the change would have been implemented sooner.

  38. HforH; It’s not whether firing Mallory in mid-season was “necessary” or not, it’s whether it would have benefitted IU football to do so. I don’t believe it would have provided any benefit to IU to fire Mallory in mid-season last year. There was nothing to be gained, and Knorr, or any other DC worth his salt, would not have been available in mid-season. Besides, even though I had lost confidence in Mallory, he deserved every opportunity to prove that he could coach his defense to significantly improved performance before the end of the season. If IU had shut out their last two opponents last season, one could have made an argument that Mallory had turned the corner. Unfortunately, he never really did. I think Wilson and IU did the right thing regarding Mallory, and did it the right way.

    I like Knorr’s experience at Wake Forest. He took a defense, from a traditionally weak football program, and made them very competitive, in spite of less than ideal talent and size. Having done that with some degree of success at Wake Forest makes me believe he can do it again at IU. At this point in time, the BG game notwithstanding, it looks like Wilson made a significant upgrade to his defensive coaching staff.

  39. Harvard, I have used the two interchangeably most of my life; and, it is as confusing to me as it appears to be to you and a couple of other interlocutors who have either pointed this out a couple of times, or who have challenged the way I may be using it.

    To be honest, I’ve never given that much thought to it and tend to use it according to how I may be thinking or feeling that particular day. Actually, I prefer ensures but my checks in style manuals seem to be saying either is ok. The closest I can come to a definitive form is that ‘insure’ seems to have more of a ‘financial purpose’ behind it and ‘ensure’ is a more general way of saying ‘make certain’. So honestly, I don’t know but since we were talking about the ‘contract’ and terms including financial, it seemed that ‘insure’ was more to the point.

    Beyond that, it seems to be that IU has to ensure it has done everything it can to put a good product on the grass and can only assure us it has met its obligations to the fans by insuring it is willing to bear the necessary costs of doing so. The only assurance we fans can accept is if the investment into Wilson ensure the eventual success of the football program. Is that enough re-assurance? I’m kind of sure it should be.

  40. Whoever wrote in post 44 that Wilson should be the “permanent” IUFB coach cannot possibly have meant that, if only for the obvious fact that Wilson is mortal and will die someday. KW has a seven-year deal and it should be honored. No extension now. If the current trend upward truly reverses (i.e., not just a stall in 2014), then buy out his last couple of years at $500k each. That would be lot cheaper than sweetening his contract now and then buying him out if the program reverses course. If the progress continues, an extension in year six of seven would make sense.

  41. I’m not one bit unsure that you’re still using “insure” rather improperly. Rest assured, I don’t really care. I would only care that you rest(as in deceased) “insured” if I were named a major beneficiary of a large life insurance policy in your name. This would ensure my greedy and unwarranted desires for a handout be satisfied.

    Beyond that, it seems to be that IU has to ensure it has done everything it can to put a good product on the grass and can only assure us it has met its obligations to the fans by insuriing [ensuring] it is willing to bear the necessary costs of doing so.

  42. I’m in complete agreement with davis….You don’t guarantee a contract through 2019-20 when a coach is only in the beginning of his 4th season(basically, almost 4 years of pay remaining on his original contract).

  43. Glass is currently working on a ‘cryonics extension’ to Wilson’s contract. In 1000 years, it’s very possible that a Hoosier could appear in the first “Thaw Bowl.”

  44. Wilson’s cryogenically frozen body will be buried in the coffin corner of the nearly permanent end zone.

  45. Davis- ‘Permanence’ (as in #44) and ‘permanent’ (as misquoted in #51) are two different words. I have no idea who suggested Wilson be the “permanent” coach short of a Walt Disney like embalming.

    But, I stand by my belief that Wilson’s permanence through 2019-2020 (and beyond, as the case might be) is a necessary risk for the IU football program. It’s been pointed out that the “quick draw” approach resulting in continually rapid turnover in the football leadership may be, in fact, the single most damaging factor causing the failure of Hoosier football.

    Indiana needs less self-cannibalism and more commitment to be successful. I do not expect many to support that point, much less understand it.

  46. Oregon and the Angels lost last night and I’m happy. So, gentlemen, would you agree with me thatLinda Ronstadt in her prime was a completely mesmerizing example of the female species? Wow. She could sing anything.

  47. #58. Duh. More turnover will result in a disorganized mess. That’s not hard to figure out. You overanalyze everything. Sticking with a coach long term promotes dedication and a belief the program is turning the corner. That’s not hard to figure out. Duh.

  48. I disagree with #58…Too long of contracts can build complacency. I still haven’t seen the results to justify putting three more years on a 7-year contract.

    Without being part of the process, it’s difficult to fully understand culture and what’s actually formulating as a respectful and healthy locker room conducive to growing pride within an program. Penn State appeared to be the best football culture on the planet….From an outside perspective, it had all the indications of a program built on respect headed by men with unflappable character….And then we hear of the horrors that were happening to children in their locker room.

    I’m sure length contracts at Penn State were the order for the day. They were the order for the day as Knight began to abuse the privilege of coaching and let his ego grow into something a equally harmful to some young men as the good he had spread in learning, discipline, and team goals.

    I don’t believe the adult human species is necessarily equipped to deal with protected power for any exceedingly lengthy time period. I don’t think we should too heavily award baby steps and treat someone like a god for turning a football program around. There are plenty of other people within the setting of a public university that perform great deeds behind the limelight.

    There are just too many variables bombarding the reasons IU Football has struggled for decades. The competition for top recruits is fierce amongst traditional top football programs geographically very close to Bloomington/IU. It’s a different range of mountains to climb than finding a handful of top basketball players that can carry a team deep into an NCAA tournament.

    This appears to be somewhat of a down year in the Big 10…I think we’ll get an idea if we’re gaining much ground. If we’ve improved our depth and talent and we can’t hold our own in a down year, it will leave for debate the effectiveness of simply throwing more money and more security for those selling us our so-called “improvement” from podiums at the base of the mountain range.

  49. The point is that Indiana is playing much better football than it has played through the mistaken embarrassment of firing Coach Mallory nearly 20 years ago. It needs to learn a valuable lesson from that experience. When you have good people with high standards who improve the performance of those they teach, you do what you have to do to retain them. Part of retaining them is to provide security and to properly reward their efforts.

    We also know that “s___ happens” and a misstep in performance, whether coaches’ fault or the fault of the players, the real issue remains; are they playing well? are they performing better than under previous leadership? can we extrapolate future success from present performance and leadership? You are right…like Rico Chet (with whom I often disagree- but strongly agree on this issue), I don’t see change or reshuffling the deck as contributing anything other than confusion, hesitation and weakness in effort towards our strategic objective. I do fully support what I am seeing from Coach Wilson, do sense that the Hoosiers are getting close to being a real B1G team rather than a ‘pretend’ board game diversion. And, I support and am reassured that AD Fred Glass has shown professionalism in his responsibility to take the decision-making out of the stage of public debate. That makes these dialogues ‘fun’, ‘intense’, at times ‘laughable’ but, most important, ‘meaningless’…and thank God for that.

  50. TT, don’t take this the wrong way, but you crack me up with extremity of your descriptions. Nothing is ever “kind of” or “maybe.” You really go for it.

    On that note, I don’t think it was a “mistaken embarrassment” to fire Mallory. Some could argue it was a mistake, but an embarrassment, no. Coach Mal is a great, great man. Hard to find a better guy around. But, Indiana was woefully behind in recruiting and after winning on 1 Big Ten game in 2 years, he was let go.

    Indiana’s football program was plagued by more than just coaching. Our athletic dept was run like a middle school program in meth-addled suburbs of Fresno (how’s that for taking a description to the extreme?). Coach Mal and everyone else up until CKW had their backs against the wall in recruiting and then training and shaping players to play against the rest of the Big Ten (which was actually pretty darn good then).

    On a seperate note, in Mal’s last year, does anyone remember that we lost to Kentucky 3 – 0. Might have been the single worst football game I’ve watched in my entire life.

  51. I promise you DD that I am not and will not be offended by your candor. In fact, I’ll be grateful and have fun with your observations and the sincerity of your commentary (even when telling me to blow it out my ear). Hopefully, when hunger meets starved (for depth in thought) in the dialogues/debates that grow out of them, something good happens.

    Yes, I know my descriptions are often ‘extreme’ and filled by hyperbole. They are meant to be (truthfully, I kind of get cracked up myself when I read some of them, just before adding for the access sum). And, in some they honestly lack a ‘maybe’ or a ‘kind of’ because they reflect a position I feel strongly about and am willing to accept the storm of criticism that follows, to make sure the issue penetrates. (Tricks from a former columnist).

    Now, on my thoughts about Mallory. I do think that firing him was a mistake that has haunted (embarrassed) Indiana ever since. We’ve never given ourselves the luxury of showing stability. Even after the firing, we (Hoosiers) obviously had no idea how to go about conducting a search for a coach and, more important, standing back and looking at the program structurally to improve it at the opportunity to get new leadership.

    So, some characters (mostly outside the University) would identify “their’ candidates and lobby and the naming of a football coach at Indiana University became something akin to selecting a precinct captain to run the Streets and Sanitation Department in Chicago.

    You hit the nail exactly on the head with your own ‘extreme description’ of what was (hopefully ‘then’) the Indiana University Athletic Department and supportive organizations such as the Varsity Clubs, the ‘athletics sub-committee’ within the Board of Trustees, etc. Your description is so good I will reproduce it as a quote here just to make sure people see it and, hopefully, think about it.

    “Our athletic dept was run like a middle school program in meth-addled suburbs of Fresno”

    I still think that ‘choosing a moment’ to replace Mallory and the selection of Cam Cameron to replace him was an exercise in “meth-addled suburban Fresno”/Indianapolis / Chicago ward political ‘clout’.

    For many years I had solid friendships and contacts within that department and, at times, the football program. I think it is almost accidental that we got to the 21 Century and still had a football program. But, now that we do and there has been an investment of resources and effort, I really, really hope we get it right.

    That means doing thorough searches (as we did with the one that identified Wilson). Placing the resources needed (certainly, the fact that finding Wilson co-incided- probably accidentally, with closing and making our football stadium and facilities look ‘serious’) to make our program look competitive. That means a strong direction (i.e. Fred Glass- even if he too is a product of the Indianapolis Varsity Club precinct), and management (Board of Trustees and McRobbie) decisions that can create an environment that can host success.

    That’s why I favor a ‘conservative’ approach. We’ve selected a coach with many attributes. The strongest, to me at least, is that he seems to be a ‘philosopher of football’; in other words, he does not accept the reigning approaches and is not afraid to innovate. That is why I think Wilson and Indiana are an example of ‘hunger’ and ‘starvation’ finding each other. Just as once we managed to find, in the very, very same way, a 27-year-old basketball coach at a military university where 6’7” was considered ‘too tall’, who was a thinker and innovator and strong enough of character to accept the ‘b-o-o-r-i-n-g’ chants and buy himself the time to revolutionize the way the game was played.

    My feeling, we’ve got the same type in Wilson who sees football not in terms of ‘3 yards and a cloud of dust’; but in terms of maximizing spaces to an entire 50 yard X 100 space, vertically and horizontally.

    Don’t know if it’s going to work out DD; but whatever it does, it will be fun to succeed; or, at least, we should have one hell of a lot of fun failing too.

  52. I think it’s safe to say Indiana became greedy when they fired Bill Mallory. The man had a couple of bad years and he’s fired. The program has obviously never recovered. I’ve considered that maybe other schools caught up. I guess it could be just we really did have the right coach. Who knows. Wilson is doing the right things. I do get tired when he says “we’re yoing”. How many years does it take to not be young? These recruits are all his. 4 years at the helm isn’t young anymore.

  53. DD: Have to comment on your side note in post #64.

    I was at that thriller of a 3-0 game. LOL. If memory serves me IU had a excellent kicker ( Scott Bonnell ) and he missed 2 if not 3 FG’s. IU should have won. I’m still bitter.

    That game was the nail in the coffin of both Bill’s ( Mallory and Curry ) as both got fired at the end of the 96 season.

    Never saw two guys happier to run the ball 3 times and punt. I think the whole game got played between the 40 yard lines. LOL.

    I haven’t thought about that game in years. But I concur – one of the worst games ever coached or played.

  54. RicoC- we agree in all (except the ‘yoing’- never noticed). Still mystified (and p.o’d) by the Bill Mallory thing. Though, I truly do think there was no ‘co-incidence’ between his firing and Cameron ascending to the throne.

  55. Crimson- that is one classic line: “Never saw two guys happier to run the ball 3 times and punt.” (A good editor would have given you a raise on the spot)

  56. Hey Harvard—was that Hot Dougs that you had been touting as a parlor of gastronomic enchantment. Wasn’t sure, but if it was…it closed- forever- yesterday. Owner just had it with slinging the mustard I guess. Page 1 on the Tribune.

    If it wasn’t (and a little voice keeps telling me it was a lesser known place), then your place is probably undisputed #1 now.

  57. Tsao-

    The place I go to is called Frank ‘N’ Dawgs( @ 1863 N Clybourn Ave….Just a little south of DePaul University..Near Sheffield).

    Here’s a YouTube clip that gives a bit of an “insider’s view”…Sorry that the clip is a couple years old. Not sure if they’re going to survive…Last time that I visited, I couldn’t find their signature round street sign as I searched for a parking spot. I thought they had gone out of business. Turns out, a couple weeks prior to my visit, that a truck nearly went up on the sidewalk and wiped their extremely cool round sign off its mounts. The busted up sign was sitting on its side near the back of the restaurant. I sensed that it wasn’t on the priority list of things to do. If they don’t get the sign back up, they will certainly suffer…The place is small and very difficult to locate or notice without the sign.

    Don’t worry…I’m no longer pissed at you. I’ve been called far worse than a reclusive dimwit lacking in any desire to expand horizons…Complacency kicked in while the years turned to sausage…Every bit of writing, blogging, living, breathing…all blended and grounded into a pretended presentation of disguises in complex tastes…Harv is no Frank ‘N’ Dawg…He’s an unfulfilled sausage of the lowest quality cuts…And he’s nothing of that fancy Maine lobster roll bread. He’s an Ekrich boiled in a pot of water placed on a piece of folded over Wonder that’s escaped from its colorful balloon packaging; stuck in an uncultured vacuum of a hillbilly hell he carries forever in the ground up scraps of his unsophisticated Chesterton American Tourister luggage now serving as the lifetime skin casing his processed soul.

  58. IIRC, more so than some bad games the last 2-3 years the rocks in the road causing Coach Mal to stumble and his subsequent firing was he was not filling all the scholarships available. And I do not mean just 2 or 3 a year. His coaching on the offensive side of the ball suffered because his recruiting became anemic. On the other hand Cam being the successful recruiting director for Meatchicken(besides a fine offensive coach and IU alum)was looked at as “just what the Doctor ordered”. I think Cam was fired 1-2 years early. With IU FB things change slowly.

  59. With the demise of Hot Dawgs, Frank ‘N Dawgs may become the category’s gastronomic leader. Will have to go by there… On HfH contributions to culture through this peninsula (land mass surrounded by three bodies of whatever) of good taste and literary accomplishment, it should be obvious than it is more than just I who is unable to shut down the computer without giving one more look to Scoop to read your latest musings.

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