Georgetown takes down Indiana, 91-87, in overtime

NEW YORK — Indiana needed overtime to finish its final test of the non-conference season, watching a 10-point halftime lead wither away midway through the second half.

But turnovers and defensive lapses proved too much for the Hoosiers to overcome despite hitting 13 3-pointers in a 91-87 loss to Georgetown Saturday at Madison Square Garden.

After leading IU to a win over then-No. 23 Butler last Saturday in the Crossroads Classic, Yogi Ferrell once again took control in the second half. The junior finished with 27 points, including a 3-pointer with 11 seconds left to tie the game at 77-77 and force an extra period.

Troy Williams scored 23 points and James Blackmon Jr. added 22 points for the Hoosiers, who open the Big Ten season Wednesday in Nebraska.

Indiana shot 42 percent (13-for-31) from beyond the arc, but also committed 17 turnovers that were dispersed evenly over both halves. Indiana outrebounded Georgetown 40-35, including eight from Williams and seven from Blackmon.

Hanner Mosquera-Perea finished with two points and only one rebound.

Both teams struggled to find consistency in the opening four minutes, until Indiana connected on a flurry of 3s from Blackmon and Ferrell midway through the half to take an 18-12 lead.

After Mosquera-Perea picked up his second foul midway through the first half, Crean went small and switched to a zone with Williams playing the 5 and Max Hoetzel at the 4.

Blackmon entered the game on a long-distance shooting slump, with only three 3-pointers over his last four games dating back to Louisville on Dec. 9. He finished with a game-high six, including three in the first 12 minutes.

Georgetown needed D’Vauntes Smith-Rivera to be a scoring factor, but he was unable to find his stroke until early in the second half. Smith-Rivera, who finished with a game-high 29 points, hit three 3-pointers in the first 4:29 of the final period.

The Hoyas used a 7-0 run to get within 51-48 leading into the Under-12 timeout in the second half. The run was sparked by a 3-pointer by Aaron Bowen and more aggressive play under the basket by Josh Smith. Playing with three fouls for much of the game, Smith didn’t become a factor until midway through the second half, when Indiana was forced to double and triple team him under the basket, which opened the outside shots.

Georgetown tied the game at 54-54 with under 10 minutes to play on a fastbreak layup by Smith-Rivera and the Hoyas took their first lead since early in the first half on an Aaron Bowen layup at the 8:45 mark, prompting a timeout from Indiana.

The Hoyas led until the five-minute mark, when Williams tied the game at 64-64 on a putback dunk. But Bowen put Georgetown back on top on the other end with a layup that drew a foul. Bowen missed the opportunity to turn it into a three-point play and Ferrell seized the opportunity with a 3-pointer on the other end to give IU a 67-66 advantage.

Indiana went into the final media timeout up 69-66, but Troy Williams committed a costly foul with under four to play, hitting the arm of Jabril Trawick as he attempted a 3. Trawick hit only two of his three attempts, but it sparked an 8-0 run that gave Georgetown a 74-69 lead with 1:33 to play.

The teams traded points until Ferrell banked in a 3-pointer with 30 seconds left to bring IU within 76-74. Trawick extended the Hoya lead by one when he went 1-for-2 at the free throw line, but Ferrell tied the game at 77-77 on the ensuing trip when he pulled up for 3 at the top of the key with 11 seconds remaining to force overtime.

The Hoyas scored seven unanswered points to start the extra period, creating the separation they needed to hold on for the win.


  1. We have got to mature quickly, and get the turnovers down. We should have one this game and the Louisville game. We should not be losing to teams that can’t shoot.

    Not sure these guys know how good they can be. Having said that, Blackmon needs more intensity on defense, what happened to Ziesloft? What’s up with Holt, April, and Priller?

  2. now that vonleh has been deactivated from his nba team roster, i wonder how he feels about leaving early. we sure could have used him. hope he enjoys playing out the season in fort wayne. i hear it’s beautiful this time of year.

  3. Priller will never be a thriller…April will never play in April. They are the result of what IU fans will grow satisfied with while Crean uses the IU brand to build more Wadeadipotroys…..

    I know how exceedingly proud I feel to watch them on Draft night…I order out and bring home a bucket of wings to watch Crean’s wings and occasional one-and-done, fly-by-night, first round overrated things get rewarded as prime cuts of NBA beef for the hamburger helper IU basketball we were forced to watch…It makes ugly basketball and all the Hanners, Aprils, Prillers, Jobes, Guy-Marcs, Bawas, Jurkins….all so worth it.

  4. Tough loss . IU has a very good core of players with Yogi, James, Troy and Robert. Two decent role players in Hartman and Zeisloft. A promising young player in Holt. That’s it. Robinson will probably transfer next year as he does not have the ball handling skills to play at this level. April and Priller are not D1 talents. Hanner tries hard but simply does not have the ability to be a competent inside player. He is way over matched. What’s missing? Talented inside players ! Crean coached a good game today, but his inability to have recruited and kept a strong big man is going to be reason for a lot of “What ifs” this year. IU should win 15-16 games this year.

  5. It is very rare for IU to blow a double digit second half lead with TC coaching. The insightful adjustments he always makes during the long half times usually assist IU in controlling and finishing out games. Those adjustments are only second to the acumen he shows for the “gut feeling” moves he makes throughout games. At least history never repeats itself under TC.

  6. coachv, I was born and raised in Fort Wayne. It’s basically an overgrown cow town that thinks it’s a sophisticated city. Unless Noah likes dirty gray snow draining into ugly muddy rivers (probably still lined with sewage and industrial pollution from decades gone by) he’s in for a rough winter.

  7. First off you have to give Troy a lot of credit. He is progressing as a player and has put together a string of really solid games. Yogi, Blackmon, Johnson, Williams really make for a solid athletic team. Unfortunately, due to our lack of size, the result tonight won’t be the last time this team comes up short. April and Priller aren’t major D1 players. Lack of size will follow this team all year and if we had a decent big we really could be a good team. We hung with louisville. ..almost beat georgetown. …but it was apparent that our lack of size was and will continue to be our downfall.

  8. Tough loss, but no shame in losing to GU. Fewer turnovers would have made the difference. As we saw today Hanner simply has to at least play some defense and rebound if IU hopes to win against teams with size in the paint. Crean is trying to play to the strength his team has, despite what his critics here and elsewhere are saying, and if Vonleh and his now departed teammates had displayed half the commitment these guys have we would not feel as we do about the coach. All in all one bad loss going into conference play isn’t to shabby for a team that has had such a major roster shake up.

  9. In reading some of the comments above and on other occasions, I think there are a few of you that should pick out a different team to root for. It is obvious that you will never be able to feel good about IU so please leave. It would be good to not have to read your lousy comments.

  10. Thank you for comments 9,10 and 11.
    if this team had some height as.big as their heart they would be unbeatable.

  11. A lot of teams have heart, but it’s filling the “If” void that is the coach’s responsibility….Crean scrambled for bigs and found nothing. Outside of Zeller saving his skin for two years, he’s basically had nothing of quality steady play in the paint for his seven years of pretending to coach at IU. “If” that’s good enough for a wings and things team, than you’ll be “ifing” for a deep run team for a very long time.

    Maybe God is just testing our faith….Maybe “if” we didn’t believe in the powers of the sun, it wouldn’t come up in the morning.. Maybe those that don’t believe should cheer for a different star.

  12. I wonder who assembled this team of players. Or do I have it wrong? Did Crean actually have the players recruited for him and he’s just making the best of it? Or maybe he recruited them sight unseen and when they showed up they were all 2 inches shorter than listed on their HS rosters…

    Here’s the deal. I love our roster. I have no problem with the size of the players on the court. I love the heart with which they play… But to make comments like, “Crean is trying to play to the strength of the team” or “if this team had some height… they’d be unbeatable” is simply and plainly Crean-apologist talk.

    He made his bed… He has a beautiful bed with many fine linens… rich mahogany finish… soft supple pillows… Unfortunately he doesn’t have a clue if the pillows go over or under the sheets, nor which end is the foot and which the head.

    If Izzo had this exact collection of talent he’d end the year 2nd in the B1G (UW is clearly best) and have at least a 3 seed in the Tourney.

    With Crean we’ll be lucky to make the tourney… not because of talent or size… because of coaching.

  13. Crean does not have the intuitive understanding necessary to very quickly correct issues arising during a fast paced game. The FACT that Crean himself has NEVER played COMPETITIVE basketball, not even in high school where he was a bench warmer on a non competitive team, and ZERO college competition, is creating an inpenetratable ceiling to his game coaching ability and/or potential.

    ALL Crean’s basketball game-coaching acumen comes from being around high level coaches such as Izzo. This can be though of as “book learning” without the actual experience of being a player in highly challenging game situations.

    Crean’s unusually skewed basketball resume makes him only one of less than a handful of high level basketball coaches in all of history who did NOT PLAY the game in competition None of the very few other coaches who never themselves played the game were more than mediocre, either. . IMHO, that is why he TRIES to make corrections and substitutions like any other good or great coach, but usually Crean’s decision making in tough situations are puzzling and poor.

    It is looking doubtful that Crean has the ability nor potential to improve on this shortcoming, since he seems to have not progressed in this area in the last 7 years. So no matter what talent he recruits, ultimately the tough games (which require a natural, intuitive, gifted basketball coaching mind) will mostly come up short. Some things just can[t be fixed………..

  14. we have great interior play. how many times has preacher tom told us that hanner will play in the nba?

    on a more sane note, folks here should stop saying april is not d1 talent. we have not seen him play. i believe he is not playing because he has not been healthy, not because he sucks.

  15. I guess Geoff is trying to say that Tom Crean is “sheets” out of luck when it comes coaching ability.

    Bob Knight brought us banners and May…..Tom Crean one-upped him with Hanners and April.

  16. Thanks Geoff, for your endorsement of my theory about why Crean cannot coach to win the tough games against the real good coaches who do know how to read a game and adjust in real time crunch situations.

    I’ve made a very similar comment several times in years past and never heard anyone else agree with it, only a few who responded totally “poo-poo’d” my lack of basketball
    understanding. Almost had to agree with them, since I’m an old female who has never played the game, so what do I know? Just “book learning” from watching IU basketball since the late ’60’s, therefore the intricacies of what actually goes on the court often pass me by unnoticed. That’s why I value the opinions on this blog, because many of the commenters, like you, seems to be true experts who have played, coached, and DO KNOW basketball, inside out, on and off the court.
    It is very helpful to hear you think my “theory” has some value………..

  17. “since the late 60’s”…? Well there went my fantasy crashing and burning……

    Now I just have to figure out which end of the bed to place my pillows….

    Let’s keep in mind that there are plenty of young men that have played the game that never got it when they were on the court…Some are just born with limitations and are not capable of seeing the game through all the individual noise. Not sure if’s wholly a function of never having higher level minutes on the floor that makes Crean problematic as a coach…Maybe he was influenced by the wrong people…Izzo has a very dismal record when he gets into deeper tournament games….Talent gets you only so far.. Izzo hasn’t proven he can win when all the chips are on the table.

    And let’s keep in mind…We’re training passenger airline pilots in simulators…..Idea? Coaching simulators? Don’t we have the technology to lock Crean in a coaching chamber with various game scenarios/crashes he can play out? We spend millions on their contracts but can’t build a coaching simulator to put their skills and training to the test without risking “real” wins and losses? God, would I love to see that simulation footage….Crean completely juiced-up on his energy drinks locked into a circular coaching simulator for two hours……Maybe intermittently flash a couple short burst images of Joyce at him while we hit the “implement zone defense” button… Mayday! ….Mayday! Geoff, at the tower….? Do you read me?

  18. CTC is faced and will continue to face the same bugaboo he has ALWAYS faced while at IU. He cant coach against a zone defense; he is flatout clueless. He couldn’t coach against it when he had Zeller patrolling the middle(and didn’t know how to use him against Syracuse). Since then all he has done is validate the fact he really has no strategy for coaching against it. He demonstrated that once again with Georgetown. he cant be that F**cking stupid as to not know he’s going to face zone defenses most off the year…yet he demonstrates a propensity for ignorance of any plans to “attack” those zones. He might win games if IU had a big man but he demonstrated against Syracuse ; still CTC showed he didn’t know what to do or how to use a big man then. My question to my fellow bloggers is this ….Who is the thin-faced wirey guy with silver hair that does all the talking in the timeouts???…If he’s the strategist then why is IU paying CTC so much for someone else “to think”

  19. That would be Steve “Mad Dog” McClain that you are asking about. He used to be Wyoming’s HC and apparently they do not play zone in Big Sky country.

  20. I also noticed McClain taking over in a couple of timeouts…I was going to bring it up, but decided to remain silent……I figured we couldn’t do any worse with Crean finally deciding to do a bit of delegating outside his own ineptitude. Crean sure looked awkward as hell in the moment of giving up the momentary reins on national TV…(albeit for only one or two timeouts)….I got quite the chuckle. He looked like a schoolyard child voted out of a game of ‘Ring Around the Rosie’….

    Even if we did have the appropriate strategy, I’m not seeing the personal that will create the needed comfort at the high post to aide in busting up the 2-3 ….You need a post player with great vision, quick recognition, and exceptional passing skills….A short jumper that could be made with some regularity would also be a plus…and a few more moves in the post repertoire that would evolve from a face-up position. Hanner just isn’t there….Fischer may have offered something approaching the needed savvy in the middle.

    I’m not the expert, but I’m not sure if what’s right on paper in breaking up a zone is going to transfer to the floor without solid and highly varied skills from the post position. It may have originally been solely a coaching issue against Syracuse and Crean years past, but I think it’s also about roster options this season.

  21. Fischer only averaging 16 and 8 with 3 blocks coming off the bench… Also has a poor shooting percentage: 26-of-31 from the floor for the year… He never could have cut it at IU. It’s a good thing he left.

  22. ^ Goeff(y), why don’t you credit Crean for recognizing talent and bringing it here? Crean did all he could. The kid (Fischer) clearly wanted to play closer to home, kinda like Bird and Knight in 1974. Yes, yes, Fischer must have found the Bloomington campus (way) too big. Stop blaming Crean (will you?) for everything. Crean is so awesome: Win at Nebraska and we all laugh at you.

  23. geoff, i generally agree with you but no mendacity is not 100% correct. being a former college player has as much relevance to being a superior coach as being a former construction worker has to being a great architect. superior intelligence trumps all and crean is a stupid man.

  24. Where in post #28 did I mention Crean. And I do credit Crean for his eye for talent and recruiting ability. He is outstanding in those aspects. Just can’t coach it once its there… at least not as a cohesive unit.

    V – there is definitely a correlation between coaching and playing. I’m not saying it is the only reason or the main reason for his inability. I do believe it’s a factor. Therefore, I believe she is 100% correct. It does effect his decision-making. It does provide a ceiling for his ability. I could also be swayed by a persuasive argument that he is not an intelligent man… maybe just savvy and charismatic.

  25. NoMendacity (and Geoff) I appreciate and think I understand your contention, but you’ll forgive me if I completely disagree with your main point. First, let me make it really clear that I am not at all sold on whether Tom Crean will be a successful coach at Indiana, or even if he has the know-how and basketball intellect to be a successful college basketball coach. But, I think that your hypothesis of failure based on the fact that Tom Crean never actually played the game (high school or college) with any degree of success seems to be based on anger directed at him (I don’t know why); the idea that Indiana can not and should not lose; and ignores that the majority of the teams we play also seem to think they may be able to beat us (thus blowing away any ideas of historical winning entitlement we hold). (Translation: it’s a tough world out there!)

    So, please bear with me if I res[ond to you with the same passion for IU basketball you hold). Your entire argument is based on one sentence (which you state openly): “The FACT that Crean himself has NEVER played COMPETITIVE basketball, not even in high school where he was a bench warmer on a non competitive team, and ZERO college competition,..” (capitalized letters are in your text).

    Truthfully, I think the above is a straw (man) argument. There are many activities in life for which we either have a gut (natural) understanding, may not have any experience doing them ourselves prior to undertaking them but which we either undertake them at a lower level and evolve to the point we can follow intellectually and adapt to them physically or, can actually absorb from good teaching or being around someone whose understanding of them is so profound they share it with us through some form of activity osmosis.

    Let me give you some examples NoMendacity (and Geoff). 1a. Motherhood: The lady I married had absolutely no experience raising children or even caring for them in any form before we had ours. Somehow, by instinct, she broke through that haze of ignorance and manage to raise our two who became active (and very noisy) kids; fun and focused youngsters and incredible and exemplary adults with a sense of responsibility. personal mission and professional obligation. Motherhood and fatherhood, no previous knowledge other than a willing mind and heart required. Nor is emulated experiences an indication of future accomplishments. Example: Robert Montgomery Knight; an excellent, undisciplined high school shooter who barely achieved being a sixth man and- like Crean- got his education through his willingness ‘to try it’; employ his humility to learn what he didn’t know by sitting next to a master teacher- Fred Taylor- and using his instincts to learn what he should do, rather than focusing on what he shouldn’t do to avoid losing.

    And that’s really where we are with Tom Crean and this program. We are so sensitive to avoiding losing November-December games that we aren’t testing ourselves to learn what e need to do to win January-March games. We schedule teams that would be challenged to beat some 10 or so high school teams in Indiana; when we do schedule and beat a reasonably worthy opponent such as Butler, we immediately begin to ask the question about our B1G and NCAA championships, forgetting each game on our schedule will be a different challenge to each of our players; we become obsessed with individual talents rather than seeing the developing of each player as part of our collective team progression; and, we handle each defeat as an insult and an affront by Tom Crean forcing ourselves into refocusing himself on us rather than on the teaching of the players on the Hoosier team.

    Each of us with our own agenda. Look at this blog…everyone here is coaching ‘the perfect basketball game’ as IU’s Head Coach and all/each of half of the posts not only want him fired, they want him left destitute. Geoff…if we’d only listen to him we’d fire Crean and immediately hire him for his experience as a great, though unrecognized, high school/college.Southern Maine YMCA all-league all-star and coach; HfH would simply get rid of Crean (after an extended period of torture); and replace him with a more laid back, contemplative, openly lost and sinful, self effacing, agnostic if not atheist type, who enjoys reading and learning from his own philosophical (HfH’s) musings (certainly, rather than biblical scripture); TJinTexas who wants Crean to not stop being such a “f****ing loser” so he can continue to use the word “F****ng*” forever because he is challenged when it comes to expressing himself. And, there are those who just simply want Crean to win but not at any cost;…for instance, Podunker simply wants Crean to be less expensive on a per win basis while learning coaching skills from Po’s corporate and organizational skill; arriving at Coachv who would like for Crean to take and pass his very technical, multiple choice/short essay basketball test.

    Then there are those who write this blog to say…”I just wanna win!…NoMendacity, since you appear to be reasonable self-accepting, perhaps you can tell them that if you walk out and see a blue sky every day, we’d REALLY miss the cloudy ones, even inside Assembly Hall.

    Ohhh…and me? Guys (ladies-for p.c.), I don’t need anything, I got it all for Christmas (is that un-p.c.?…sorry). I got you guys to read…every day. Man this is fun!

  26. We had to wait seven years before we knew not having playing experience makes Crean an inadequate coach with a limited ceiling..? .Then why in the hell did we hire the guy? Funny how I never heard this during the “everything hinges” years of Zeller & Co.

    Does this theory also apply to football coaches?

    Is it also possible that the scheduling of so many soft teams contributes to our team being ill-prepared when the higher level athletes throw the same defenses at our players that previously seemed easy to solve when the overall talent level in the opponent was much lower?

    Is it possible he’d be a much stronger coach if he didn’t have to filter every recruit as being a perfect fit to his own personal faith doctrines? Personally, I think he’s limiting his choices and thus eliminating certain personalities that might blend into making a team more cohesive because of those differences….I don’t think he lacks the intelligence to be a strong coach….I think he’s chained to his doctrines and it’s catching up to him…..He thought it wouldn’t catch up to him at a school with the b-ball traditions of Indiana…

    I think he was much more tolerant of recruiting beyond his own doctrines while at Marquette…He couldn’t afford to be so narrow at it likely made him more available to a broader spectrum of personalities and players with privately held beliefs that weren’t necessarily prerequisite to matching up with Crean’s.

    It seems as if the Christian necessity became more vital at a public university than the private, faith-based, school he once coached….I’m not sure if Crean is willing to even look at a recruit unless he is of strong faith perfectly aligned with his own….That puts a lot of pressure on some kids to be something they may feel should be of a private realm.. It also puts pressure to live up to more than the demands of basketball and classrooms…Personally, I wouldn’t want to play the game for a man that stands to always judge rather be open to diverse thoughts and beliefs. What really gives Tom Crean that right? It can’t be easy to be in that locker room….or in that home. It can’t be easy to be quietly persecuted for not being as devout as the ultimate judge….It ‘s hard enough to be judged at what you do or don’t do on the court.

  27. Harvard, I have a hard time telling which part of you has a visceral dislike for TC that is incurable and which part of you doesn’t like either his philosophy and, therefore, his approach to basketball; or which one causes which. It’s not a criticism, it’s a real question. I sort of laughed a little bit when I read your #21 because I thought it had a very interesting question (proposal?) about the ‘coaching simulator’ as such. I stopped, thought about it and thought, specifically, I had ever heard of one exactly as you describe (flight simulator)- (I actually even thought, what an idea! wished he wouldn’t mention it until we can find out form the US Patent Office). As always, you are definitely worth reading.

    Then, on the zone… Knight always approached it the same way, whether a 2-3, a 3-2, a 1-2-2 or a 1-3-1, attack the gaps…force the ball into the gaps and force the zone to collapse on itself and change. According to him, you did have to have a good man in the middle to redistribute to he guard or the corners as the zone collapsed. But, Knight preferred a smaller than a center-sized pivot because it helped to re-direct the zone’s big man’s eyes down away from the rim and the boards- ‘making them play smaller’ (his words) and neutralizing their rebound potential. He also wanted the pivot to play high near the point where the sides of the foul-lane meet the circle, pulling the opponent’s big man up and forcing him to look away from his defensive board. So, I do not see Crean’s 3 guards, 2 forward alignment (or the size deficiency) to be a handicap. What I have noticed is that when we are unable to outrun the defense, we do not do a good job of attacking the gaps in the zone and his (Crean’s) preoccupation with rebounding is forcing him to keep the center closer under the basket.

    By the way, that was Knight’s advantage…his own mind was the ‘simulator’ you speak about. He could see all these situations in his mind. Sometimes, you’d catch him staring at one spot on the floor, – sometimes for 10-15 minutes without moving his eyes from it-, during practice and you could almost see his ‘reel’ was running.

  28. Tsao – I enjoyed your comment. I do want to be clear though that I don’t think Crean’s lack of playing experience is THE factor. It most certainly is a factor though. It doesn’t mean he can’t be a successful coach… in all relative terms he already has become that. But there is no question that if he were who he is PLUS had the experience of playing at a similar level to which he’s coaching that his perspective would improve. There is a difference between seeing and knowing. Thinking vs experiencing. Your motherhood example is irrelevant for the simple reason that once she became a mother she began gaining the “motherhood experience”. Crean never gained the “playing experience” and at this point he never will.

    Also, I’m not angry AT Crean… I’m frustrated with his limitations and the seemingly foregone conclusion that we’re stuck with it.

    I appreciate your nomination for the next HC at IU, but I could not handle many of the head coaching duties at that level, and really don’t have any interest to. I enjoyed being an assistant – the recruiting, gameplanning, scouting, practice implementation, and in-game decision-making. I don’t need the glory… I do enjoy seeing a concept I implemented or a skill I helped develop become a reality on the court. I could care less if I got any of the credit from the fans or outsiders. I don’t have the personal magnetism or charisma to pull off the donor dinners. I don’t care about the money enough to put up with all the non-basketball activities that a HC has to be involved with… But like I said, thanks for the consideration.

  29. It doesn’t matter if I like or dislike Tom Crean….Tom Crean hired Fred Glass…Fred Glass hired Wilson…If one is incompetent, they’re all sorta incompetent via the pathway of cronyism that put them all in our lap.

    With regard to Crean, I don’t wish the man misfortune…I merely pity any poor soul that has to live under that roof of constant judgment and how he uses(abuses)faith to add to the destruction of those he chose to label as degenerates or unfit for his visions of perfection found in a Joyce Meyer tweet.. I want kids that take the game and the scholarship offered for a quality education seriously…Beyond that, I hope we can find some talented kids with a strong work ethic…Whatever hopes I hold in faith are not the property of another man. I don’t think they should be the property of Tom Crean’s role as a head basketball coach at a public institution.. I have no opposition to his personal faith…I oppose how he applies it as a filter and uses it for judgmental purposes on what is required to play quality hoops at Indiana. I don’t believe it to be proper at a public university…Nor do I believe it’s necessarily bringing in young men of stronger character that make better decisions when not engaged in basketball activities…

  30. As previously stated, when we hit 3s we look like the #1 team in the country. We did that in the 1H. We took a lot of bad shots & they went in & we were up 10.

    In the 2H it was more of the same (big surprise), the shots stopped falling & we blew a 12 pt. lead with bad shots, TOs, and pathetic defense. Does anyone expect anything less of this coach & team? Really??? In the closing minutes Yogi hogs the ball & throws up prayer after prayer. Same old story as in any close game. In the Butler game, he was ON & we won because of it.

    I want to point out 1 glaring example of our coach’s ineptitude: Where was Troy Williams for offensive possessions in the last 2 minutes??? He was being situationally substituted, that is where. Can someone please explain why the 2nd coming of Victor Olidipo (not in my world, but in Crean’s obviously) was on the bench & being subbed in and out??? He’s 1 of 2 players we have that can create their own shots and opportunities. He draws so much attention with his athletic antics so one would have to think he would’ve helped us on offense.

  31. Our starting guards had 5 assists & 9 turnovers. And if Stan the Man is included make that 11 guard turnovers. Enough said. Oh wait, 1 more thing, Yogi had 1 assist & 4 TOs.

  32. Geoff, sorry…don’t think the motherhood experience is irrelevant. No one, not even a mother, can see the challenge tomorrow brings (it would really scare the **** out of me). I do think that what being taught (by a master like RMK) are situations to be faced (usually on the court) and responses to be rehearsed (this is where Harvard’s ‘simulator’ helps) and used to program a system in the player’s sub-conscious to be used as a basketball tool.

    Just so you know,I was not mocking nor being dismissive, just calling up some of the funnier characteristics in the Hoops characters I interact with most frequently. To the point, if you appeared as my kid’s coach, I wouldn’t have a complaint. Unlike many (I find this to be particularly true in soccer in the US as well) you do have an intellectual curiosity for the sport, its theories and like to make playing experiences matter for thought. When my kid played, that’s what I looked for…then I made a point of having absolutely nothing to comment about regarding his coaches.

  33. I think I’m qualified to be Martha the Mop Lady….I’ve played that game…Started 4-years for the Mop Queens of Brunswick….I hit a lot of buckets…with the mop. Can also go swiftly with the Swifter to my left and right. Good handles….no blisters.

  34. Nahh Harvard. You always undervalue yourself. After nearly three years of reading you it’s like looking at Knight’s face when he was laughing at someone, …don’t look at his jaw, look at his eyes…he was laughing much more frequently than people thought, while all around were treating what he said like a grave crisis, or a matter for the Indiana Air National Guard or a matter to consult with the Pope; while in his eyes he was laughing his **s off.

    I’ve learned to read for what you don’t say (multiply it for what you do say)….yara, yara…

    Anyway… Happy Holy Days (p.c.), Happy New Year and a prosperous 2015 if I haven’t said it before.

  35. geoff,

    further evidence that you are wrong in your assertion that being a former player makes you a better coach. the greatest basketball mind i have ever known is my own, and i have not played high school or college basketball. not my fault i was a late bloomer. never really bloomed at all actually. a genius iq overcomes a lot. plus, i have played and coached countless hours so i think that counts for something. i could coach circles around crean and most college coaches too, for that matter. i have also coached against many high school coaches far superior to crean.

    as for your assertion that crean is outstanding at evaluating talent i give you exhibit a.) tijan jobe. exhibit b.) muniru bawa. c). “hanner will play in the nba”. d). “hollowell is our backup point guard”. need more, because i can go on.

    unlike you, i would accept the hc job at iu and it would be the best thing to happen to iu basketball since coach knight was hanging banners. btw, i learned more from him than any i coach i ever met, although i never met him. in fact, i’m sure we would have hated each other.

    btw, you shouldn’t have taken my son’s name for your own son. i had it first

  36. And the same to all on Scoop; Jeremy, Andy, Meek Howell, HC, Geoff, CoachV, Davis, PO, DoubleDown, NoMendacity, TJ, AWinAZ, JPat…I’m skipping some and I apologize (a matter of exploding neurons in advanced age)…everyone Happy Holidays and a great and Happy New Years with the expectation Wilson goes 10-2 (yeah, I know…too much Malbec)

  37. V – I have no doubt that’s all true. However, I maintain that if you had played more as a younger man you would be an even better coach.

  38. When I played high school ball we’d have those huge open showers where all would lather in the same enclosure…I remember the coaches would occasionally jump in after practices and shower at the same time…I sorta remember thinking to myself why in the hell are they showering….Maybe they just wanted to get home to the wives smelling fresh and clean…..I think it was at about that time that I began to lose a bit of interest in going out for the organized teams….Started playing in intramural.hoops…..I was later recruited by the varsity coach..I used to skip lunch and go down to Goldsborough Gym to shoot hoops…One day, Mr. Lewandowski(the varsity assistant basketball coach…and also the halfback coach for the varsity football team) came down to the gym and watched one of our pick-up games…He came up to me after the game concluded(just before I was ready to hurry off to my first post-lunchtime class) and urged me to go out for the varsity team…There were quite a few guys that played intramural ball that were far more skilled than many on the varsity team… I just shied away, I guess. My old man used to tell me stories of his varsity football coach back at Emerson H.S. in Gary also jumping in the showers….
    When I think back, I’m wondering the motivation to be a coach….These men never practiced hard..They just sorta jogged around with their whistles….Suddenly, they’re jumping in the showers as if they worked up some huge sweat…..And they took long showers and kinda did excessive lathering. I recall often avoiding the process altogether…Would just go home sweaty and clean up without the fear of towel slaps and all those uncomfortable moments…….

  39. For what it’s worth, I prefer letting those that have no room for a bit of self-critique(e.g. our current master of the hardwood) to take their mastery elsewhere…

    I’d be more than pleased to see a guy like Geoff as my son’s coach…(though I don’t have a son). I think Geoff underestimates his potential…He’d likely be fine at the press conferences and the lunches with the important donors, etc. He appears to be a very fair and forgiving man…I’d be honored to have him represent Indiana in any coaching capacity. I hope that one day he may just attempt to try and open that door. He has a real love for the game….and the humility to be willing to learn more than he already knows…The only ceiling is the overinflated ego…It sometimes gets the best of men…It got the best of Bob Knight in his latter coaching years. Genius often battles with madness and the demons rooted in fears of returning to a place or time when confidence was thin. Those that can deal with that fear while remaining open and humble to ideas of others are the true winners. Geoff’s sincere engagement of NoMendacity’s perspective reinforces my thoughts that he would be a fine coach…..

  40. Do any of you ever try to read our threads, one post after another…without stopping. It’s like a Marx Brothers movie with characters named Harvey, Geoff, CoachV and so on… and so on. Funnier than hell. Then, look at the time stamps…no wonder we all sound drunk.

  41. Happy New Year to you as well, Tsao!

    .I wish you a year of good health, happiness, and many dreams of cross-country train rides with Harv and all the Scoop buddies….Maybe a few card games and cigars.. No i-phones…no texting….no television with constant playing of First Take ….no worries….no bills….no pills….Just good old-fashioned laughs and friendship and discovery …..Is there anything in this world to discover anymore? Doesn’t everyone already know everything? It’s all been there and done that…..and boys pretending to be men as they wear the biggest Wall Street hats….On the train of dreams we can be free..We can let the guards down and feel the wheels marry to the track of our many drifting thoughts.. Maybe Scoop is somehow that train ride and we just don’t realize we’re already all aboard…..Life is a mystery…We somehow gathered here together and that’s good enough for old lonely Harvard…

  42. Let’s roll this baby into Nebraska and pound those Cornhuskers into yellow cornmeal…Make some mush…Let it set up in a loaf pan for a few hours in the fridge…fry some morning slices it in a bit of butter and bacon fat….drizzle with some maple syrup. All aboard!!

  43. tsao,

    as a coach, i’ve always thought of myself as half bobby knight, half groucho. and i am usually drunk

  44. and geoff, i would have been a much better coach if athletic directors, administrators, and parents left me the hell alone to do my job. my gray son says hi to your gray son

  45. v – yeah, I think that’s the case for just about every coach. I was lucky to always have great relationships with my AD’s, and I only ever had one difficult issue with a parent, but I saw countless issues that my peers went through, and it only seems to be getting worse.

  46. The essence of Head CoachV’s acceptance of “transference theory” as it applies to his Assistant Coach Geoff barking out some plays….

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