Georgia QB Austin King latest to commit to Indiana

Kevin Wilson has been searching for a quarterback to top his 2015 recruiting class since losing Tommy Stevens to Penn State in early November.

On Monday, the Indiana coach found his player.

Georgia quarterback Austin King gave a verbal pledge to the Hoosiers, becoming the fifth player to commit to Indiana in the last two days. King, a 6-foot-3 three-star prospect from Alpharetta, Ga., chose IU one day after decommitting from North Carolina State, where he originally verballed during the summer. He previously had interest from South Florida, West Virginia, Harvard and Yale, among others.

Indiana has been in the mix for King since the spring, but its interest cooled when Stevens, a three-star dual-threat quarterback from Decatur Central, committed in June. But when Stevens flipped for the Nittany Lions last month, IU returned to Georgia.

“Out of the blue (Stevens) decommitted and I started hearing from them again,” King told The Herald-Times Monday. “Coach Wilson came to my house a couple weeks ago and sat us down for three hours and we just talked about the pros and cons, and why I should go to Indiana and what Indiana has in store for me and my family.”

King enjoyed a visit to Bloomington last Wednesday and Thursday, meeting players and touring the campus and the city. During the prior weeks, he received plenty of personal recruiting by Wilson, who sold King on the ability to compete in a high-caliber offense that resembles the kind of unit he’s used to running at Alpharetta.

“That’s what he was looking for — a guy who can come in and have some experience in that offense, someone who can come in and hopefully learn the plays early,” King said. “I have good size, a good head on my shoulders — which is what he told me — and that’s kind of what he was looking for.”

King, ranked the No. 28 pro-style passer according to the 247Sports Composite, announced his commitment on his Twitter page Monday afternoon.

King completed 56 percent of his passes for 2,370 yards, with 20 touchdowns and seven interceptions as a senior this fall. He totaled 10 touchdown passes and only one interception over his final 175 attempts of the season. Over his junior and senior seasons, King combined to throw for 4,406, while helping his team to a 19-5 record in Georgia’s highest classification over that span.

He expects to arrive in Bloomington in either May or June.

“He’s a kid who’s definitely got all the measureables,” Alpharetta coach Jacob Nichols said. “He’s got a good frame and a big arm. He’s run the spread offense since the ninth grade and he really learned some of the intricacies of route combinations and the passing game. He’s the kind of kid who, for us, we felt comfortable with making any type of throw, any kind of read, and he really succeeded.”

King’s commitment brings IU’s 2015 class to 15 prospects, with more expected to join over the next few weeks.

On Sunday, Indiana picked up verbals from four prospects — three-star Carmel athlete Isaac James, three-star Maryland safety Tyler Green, three-star Virginia athlete Mike Majette and Missouri offensive lineman DaVondre Love. Former UAB receiver Marqui Hawkins also announced last week that he plans to transfer to IU in January. Hawkings will be available immediately and has three years of eligibility remaining.

King says he’s been keeping up with the recent flurry of commitments.

“I’ve been talking with some of the commits,” he said. “They’ve been nagging me about getting up there and playing, so I’ve definitely been well-aware of everything that’s been going on.”


  1. Just to echo an earlier comment on yesterday’s commits: It is a refreshing good sign that we’re now signing players away from NCState, West Virginia, Maryland, and Ohio State. It was only a couple of years ago we were getting guys away from Toledo and Central Michigan. Patience, patience….we’re getting better.

  2. Looks like he was recruited at NC State by Matt Canada, so probably on the IU radar for a while. Nice to see.

  3. Which coach has the connections into Georgia? That’s been a nice and unexpected pipeline for us.

  4. Any idea why he decommitted? IU had two guys change their minds and this would make the second kid IU has “taken” from someone else. Just curious as to why.

  5. There is a lot of athletic talent in Georgia. And an “SEC reject” is likely to be a star at a lot of other power-conference schools. King probably took a look at IU’s current group of quarterbacks and figured that after Sudfeld graduates, he’ll have the inside track for becoming IU’s starter as a true sophomore. And he’s probably right! While King may not be as good a runner, from the highlight videos I’ve watched of both players, he looks like a better/more polished passer than Tommy Stevens. Don’t mean this to sound like sour grapes, but based on the highlight videos I’ve seen, IU seems to have turned the “loss” of Stevens into a win. This is a good get for Wilson.

    But by my count, IU will have six QBs on the roster in August. My guess is that number will be reduced by transfers, position changes or both. And at least one of them will be redshirted next year.

  6. I love to see IU “poaching” solid players from other major BCS Power-conference schools. But let’s delay the celebrations until the ink is dry on those LOIs in February.

  7. Big Eddie, to attempt to answer your question in #4, the on-line publication “” published the following statement about Austin King de-committing from NCS. “King came up last weekend for an official visit along with most of his fellow commitments but apparently wasn’t sold on his ability to see the field early and has decided to look elsewhere.” As I suggested, having a very strong chance to become a starter as a sophomore or redshirt freshman at IU was probably what enticed him to change his commitment. Aside from that, academically speaking (and in all other ways) IU is a much better school than NCS. Given that King was recruited by Harvard, he’s obviously a smart young man.

  8. KW and staff just keep climbing that mountain. It must be like getting up each morning and rock climbing the limestone quarries around Btown.

  9. I was looking at USC recruiting of QBs. It looks like they recruit a couple QBs every year. Several of them 4 star QBs. IU goes a couple deep of legitimate QBs rated a lot lower than most USC QBs and Tre even though QBacked in high school was listed as athlete when recruited and he developed into legitimate college QB while at IU. He should thank IU coaching staff for his development. I realize he did put in the work. So any way I look at it knuckle heads, Coffman and Tre transfer to lessor levels of competition to take their skills at a higher level (sour grapes for me). I know IU is not USC, however like I have said before IU needs a competent stable of QBs. Austin King is an excellent commit for IU and hopefully IU can develop and keep a legitimate stable of college QBs. Now, I see 3: Sudfield, commit/King, and include Diamont. I really do not see wins with Covington, Bourdeau, or Cameron even though currently, that is what IU has. The coaching staff is an excellent one to elevate that position.

  10. DD, The Georgia connection grew when Jon Fabris was here as IU’s DL coach. He was let go earlier this year when D. Mallory was. He had been the DL coach for the Georgia Bulldogs for many years. Certainly Knorr has some feel for the Georgia HS football landscape as he coached at Wake forest before IU. I also suspect James Patton has some contacts in the SE too.

    Including walkons there wiil be at least 8 QB’s in Bloomington come August.

    I get the feeling King always wanted to be a Hoosier and would have been sooner if Stevens had not given his verbal 1st. Even though they both are 3* King is rated slightly lower than Stevens but starting 2 full seasons in the highest classification in Georgia does mean he has talent.

  11. It’s hard to get players from the deep south to play in the cold Midwest. Good job coach Wilson. Three stars equal a good football player. Alabama has plenty of three star players on their roster. Good step in the right direction.

  12. t,
    I said nothing as to future potential for any of the QB’s only the # possible in Fall camp. I will say this everyone will have tasks important to practice and preparation. That is how programs operate. As PO suggested there could be transfers, injuries, position changes, redshirts and even quitting FB all altogether. But I have no doubt this is an environment Wilson and Johns zest for.

  13. Covington will probably be redshirted next season, then transitioned back to Linebacker in 2016. Why, because IU needs really good athletes on defense, and Covington, while versatile and possessing a strong arm, projects to be a better linebacker than he does quarterback. I also suggest that two of those walk-on quarterbacks will be cut loose before next season begins. There’s no value in having eight quarterbacks on a roster. Five of them would never get any practice reps unless IU suffers an epidemic of injuries. My guess is that after spring football, the five QBs on the depth chart will be Sudfeld – Diamont – Cameron – King, and Bourdeau (or other walk-on), in that order. And that will be because of their familiarity with IU’s offense, not their talent. And I won’t be surprised if King is promoted to back-up by the third week of the season. Depending on how fast he recovers from his injury, Covington could see playing time at linebacker next season, but my guess is that he’ll redshirt to get bigger and stronger for 2016.

  14. All supposition, too many intangibles, I would not hazard a guess. Wilson sometimes can do things from the off hand.

  15. That was kind of my point is some of the qbs will play other positions not qb. They are not big 10 level qbs even at backup. I do think Diamont will continue to show solid improvement at IU and he has the ability to be part of the mix in the future (maybe he red shirts next year). How much, just depends according to improvement and how he will be used and needed as in case this year even before he was ready. He does seem like a competitor. So another quality QB could be added in 2016. When Sudfeld graduates, King is # 1 (maybe King red shirts next year), Diamont maybe # 2, and ????? and new recruit competing @ 2 or red shirt. Eventually, in 2 or 3 years IU could have a good stable of big ten level qbs ready to go when called on.

  16. t, King is a legitimate Big Ten QB, no question about it. Given his pedigree,Cameron might develop into one. Covington might too, but I just see his opportunity to play and the greater need being on the defense. As for Diamont, his main problem is his lack of size (weight, in the form of muscle). I noticed yesterday that King is already 190 lbs. He’s at least 20 lbs. bigger than Diamont. Given how skinny he is, one has to worry about Diamont being too fragile to survive a Big Ten season. He does have guts though, I’ll give him that.

  17. I did not know till just this afternoon ESPN rated King higher than Stevens. Appears only difference is 1 is pro style and 1 dual threat. Good recruiting

  18. Yes I seen where King was slightly rated higher than Stevens on espn. Stevens edged King on rivals. I might give edge to King when watching highlight video. However, seemed like Stevens had a couple more big fb school offers. I doubt if that means anything. Have to admire recruiting effort in going after high level qb’s. If one did not work go to next one plus I think this is good fit for IU. If Diamont is a 4 or 5 year player I think during that time he will play some (which he already has) during his career.

  19. Yes, from the 90 minutes of highlight videos I watched on each QB, I’d rate King as a much better passer. Strong arm, good footwork, quick release, very accurate, good touch. Stevens, who seems bigger, is a good passer, but a very effective runner. His highlight video showed him pulling it down and running frequently. I don’t think King’s highlight video showed him running the ball at all. But I liked a his numerous 50-yard passes that dropped into the outstretched hands of his receivers.

    As for who got offers to the most impressive football programs, Stevens was offered by MSU, IU and late by PSU. King was offered by WVU, NCS, UCF and IU. Both got offers from big-time football programs. And when you’re rated in the top 30 nationally at your position, it’s a pretty good bet that you can play. In fact, if every IU recruit was rated in the top 30 in the nation at his position, IU would go bowling every year.

  20. Great things are happening with this program. I might have missed it, but did they sign Wilson to an extension yet?

  21. Ben, Wilson has a 7 yr contract, of which, next year will be #5. While there have been some great developments in recruiting this week, even with the injuries, this was just a tough year for any coach. So no extension is needed at this time. He hasn’t earned it yet. Next year will be his make or break year.

    He has enough time on his remaining contract to recruit well and steer the ship.

  22. Can’t believe anyone seriously thinks that a coach with a 14-34/6-26 record should be offered an extension with three years to go on his contract.

  23. Obviously you’re inpatient. How about we bring back Lynch? The program was a disaster when he left. It’s going to take the duration of his contract and then some to right the ship. Indiana football is no quick fix. Some schools can be, but not Indiana. If you can’t see the talent upgrade, defensive improvements and the effort being put forth by our coaches, than I don’t know what to tell you other than just wait….

  24. Ben, why can’t Indiana’s football program ever be a quick fix? Why can other universities achieve a quick football fix, but IU can’t? Is it the sub-standard school/campus? Is it the bad football facilities? Is it living and playing in a dumpy/unsafe town? Is it the terrible weather? Or is it simply the reputation and history of losing seasons and terrible neglect from Indiana University Administrators?

    I disagree with your premise. Indiana Football could have been a relatively quick fix. It’s a matter of money, people (leadership) and commitment. If IU (collectively the University and Alumni) was willing to spend the money necessary to hire a leader (football coach) with a proven track record, of winning and/or turning losing programs around (i.e.,Jerry Kill), IU football COULD have been as quick a fix as any other football program has ever achieved. For whatever reason, we (collectively, the University Administrators, trustees, and alumni) chose not to go in that direction four years ago. I believe “we” approached the coaching hire four years ago, as we always have in the past, very timidly, and with a lack of confidence. You see, IU’s administrators had the same mentality at the time as you expressed in your post above. Four years ago, IU’s goal was to minimize financial risk. There was no sense of urgency or pressure to turn the football program around quickly. So we hired a good and smart man who had been a very successful career assistant coach for winning programs, and we paid him the minimum amount necessary to secure his services. To sweeten the deal and further reduce financial exposure, we exchanged time (duration of contract) for money (a relatively low salary). Instead of four or five years at $2.3 million per year, we offered him seven years at less than $1.5 M. It was a huge increase in income for Wilson, but it was very low compensation relative to most other major conference football programs (we’re talking total package, not just salary). Wilson’s comp package was instantly ranked at or near the bottom of the Big Ten’s Head Football Coaches’ salary range, implying that many other established, proven head football coaches would not have accepted the job for the comp package IU was offering. But if IU had been willing to offer a comp package that was well above average for all major conference football head coaches, and give him the budget necessary to hire and retain a good staff, who knows what candidates would have applied for the job and how fast they could have turned IU’s football program around?

    I keep hearing people testify that IU has “all the money it needs to hire and retain” the coaches necessary to do the job (i.e., win football games). If that is true, then it’s obvious that IU’s administration simply chose not to do that. Why not? Because they are timid, risk averse people who lack confidence, and they have never been held responsible for allowing IU miserable record in football to continue. Nothing was wrong with Wilson accept that he was not a proven commodity. He had no track record as a head coach. Hardly anyone knew his name before the news broke of his accepting the IU job. Wilson is certainly capable of eventually turning IU football around. But even his most ardent supporters would have to agree that if IU wanted a quick turn-around for the football program, hiring a man that had never been a head coach, had no experience (as a head coach) turning a losing program into a winner, who was not known to many people in the state and/or the region, was not going to achieve the desired results in two or three years. “We” hired Wilson because IU’s administrators deemed him to be the best man for the job given the money they were willing to spend. Given that decision, we now have no choice but to be patient and take the long road to football success. Wilson can probably get us to where we’d all like to see IU football be, but once Glass made the decision to hire on the cheap, the long road was the only route accessible to IU. If there is a will, there is a way. IU’s administration simply didn’t have the stones to take the financial risk necessary to hire a man with the proven ability to turn a losing program into a winner. Until The Hoosier Nation begins holding IU’s Administration (Trustees, President, Athletic Director) accountable for having a successful football program, they have no incentive to ever take a risk and spend more than the minimum amount necessary to fill the job. Therefore, they simply won’t spend the money necessary to hire a coaching staff with the proven ability to transform a perennial loser into a winning program. It’s just like buying a car. If you want something low cost and safe, it’ll go 0 to 60 in about eight seconds. If you want to go from 0 to 60 in 2.5 seconds, it’s going to cost a lot of money to get that kind of power and acceleration.

  25. Ben- didn’t mean for my post (#25) to have been an attack on you but several others have posted in favor of an extension for KW. Even though their records are almost identical, the program was regressing under Lynch, but Wilson is making progress. DD put it very well in my opinion.

    PO- I’m not one who thinks IU has “all the $$$ it needs” but just won’t spend it. The single biggest factor in $$$ available to hire a coach and staff is booster contribs, and IUFB just does not have that kind of booster support, largely on account of its dismal football history. IU Nation can send all the nasty emails it wants, but IU Nation cannot hold the ath. dept. “to account” ’cause IU Nation does not have the credible threat of withholding checks it’s never, ever written in the past.

    The Kill hire by Minn. is a good reference point (and the Beckman hire at Ill.) for certain issues. Kill was hired the same year as Wilson and Beckman was hired a year later. Both were successful head coaches (albeit at a lower level), unlike asst. coach (at a high level) KW. KIll seems to have worked out very well, while Beckman is struggling. Both are earning about $1 million more than KW. But it seems to me that rather than wonder why IU does not spend money it does not have for “a comp package that was well above average for all major conference football head coaches” ($3 million/yr.?), it a better question to wonder whether any lower level successful head coach would have been willing (in 2010-11) to take a near-million dollar a year raise (Rod Carey, promoted to replace Kill at No. Ill. in Dec. 2012, is the top-paid MAC coach at $525k) to take the IUFB job. I think the answer is yes, but who knows whether the result would have been better or worse than what we’ve gotten with KW- it could have turned out like Kill, or like Beckman. Or Hazell, for that matter.

  26. PO- I guess, to sum up, our difference is that you think IU has the $$$ and I don’t. Hope I’m not putting words in your mouth (on your keyboard).

  27. “sighs”


    I tend to agree with davis that IU don’t have the bottomless pockets you think they do. The school has been eliminating professors for years now.

    Look, I’m not going to be the third man in the Podunker-Tsao IU Football wars. The fact is this. IU football has been the ugly duckling in the Big Ten for some time now. The team has burned through coaches faster than cash can be created. Do you expect someone like Sabin to take a job like Indiana? I’m sure his name alone could turn the program around quickly, but coaches of his caliber isn’t looking for a total rebuild. You have to go with coaches like Wilson.

    IU football has been an ugly witch for a long long time. Her looks are improving, but putting lipstick on a pig won’t hasten anything. She’s still ugly. That’s your problem Podunker. Try being patient. Once the program gains respectability, it won’t be so hard to find an “established coach” you’re so desperately seeking.

    It’s going to take more than one contract term to get this fixed. I think one of IU’s biggest problems was burning through coaches. That formula hasn’t worked. So let Wilson do his thing. Let him finish out his contract. It sure won’t hurt anything. Be thankful we’re making strides in defense and our recruiting.

    You’re one of my favorite bloggers but this doom you have about this team makes my beard turn gray at 34! Relax, and enjoy the positives my friend. Merry Christmas if I don’t speak to you until after Christmas. Take care of your family.

  28. Ben the budget for professors and the AD budget are not co-mingled unless McNeely is your AD. The IU athletic department does not have bottomless pockets but they are deep enough to pay $2.6-3.4m to a head coach. After Wilson gets this thing bent north a little farther his next contract will be in excess of $2m.

  29. Ben, Merry Christmas to you and your family as well. But I want to make a couple of points in reference to your response to my post #30. 1) It’s not me saying that IU has the money to spend on hiring an experienced coach, it is several other bloggers on the scoop who have repeatedly made that claim. HC backs it up in #35. But I believe that IU does, in fact, have the money to pay a football coach an above-average comp package, but simply chose not to do so when hiring Wilson for the reasons articulated in post #30 (timid, risk-averse, cheap, no pressure to do so). It was a choice, not a financial necessity, and it was stupid because now, IU is losing millions of dollar of revenue every other fall weekend due to declining game attendance (i.e., Purdue game). 2) I’m not “desperate” for anything and I do not have an attitude of “doom” for IU football. I simply disagree with the premise that IU Football can not be turned around quickly. There is simply no inherent reason why IU can’t develop a successful football program, or turn its program around relatively quickly. Other Universities, with far less to offer than IU-B have proven that it can be done. Ironically, I believe the real reason it has not been done is that there are TOO MANY HOOSIER FANS WHO HAVE BEEN CONDITIONED TO BELIEVE THAT IT IS NOT POSSIBLE. Call it a malaise, or a losing attitude, or a collective lack of will, but unless someone can articulate a legitimate reason, I refuse to accept that premise. 3) You reference “burning through coaches.” I don’t really see IU burning through coaches as the primary problem during the last 50 years. Pont was with IU for eight seasons. He was followed by Corso, who coached IU for 10 seasons. Then came Mallory who lasted 13 reasons. Those men had been successful, proven head coaches before arriving at IU. The problem began with the shameful way IU fired Mallory. That mistake was compounded by the decision to replace Mallory with Cameron, a man with no previous head coaching experience. DiNardo had been a head coach before arriving in Bloomington, but he was simply the wrong man for the culture at IU. Hoeppner was a great hire and his tragic loss was beyond anyone’s control. But then IU turned a tragedy into a travesty when it gave Lynch the job beyond that transition year. No, the turnover of Athletic Directors, some of whom have left a huge mess in their wake, has been a bigger issue than the coaching turnover. But the primary problem for IU football, dating back to Mallory, has been IU’s financial neglect of the program. Until recently, IU’s administration has simply not made the investment necessary to make and keep IU competitive. Until recently, it has not been a priority because The Hoosier Nation has been conditioned to believe that there was some inherent reason why IU could not be successful at football. It’sjust total bull crap.

  30. PO and HC and others (you know who you are!)- Merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year to you gentlemen; I’ve enjoyed debating with you very much.
    HC- agreed that Kill’s road in Minn. was smoother than what Wilson faced. Kill is 25-25/13-19 at Minn., but he’s certainly trending up. But what’s your source for post #35 about how much $$$ the IU athletic dept. has to spend on coaches?
    PO- U. Central Fla. started as a Div. III program in 1979, went to Div. I/FBS in 1996. Since then they’ve been 137-113, 3-3 in bowls, and have been ranked several times. Not great, but this was a program basically created out of whole cloth- which compares very favorably to IUFB since 1996. My point? Yeah, it seems like the long-awaited IU turnaround could happen much more quickly than “IU Nation” assumes it could. The tenures of Pont, Corso, and Mallory yielded 141-196-6 over 31 years (don’t forget Sam Wyche for one year!), collectively .410, so I agree that that longevity is no key to success in light of IUFB’s all-time mark of .424. Why do you call the firing of Mallory “shameful?” He was 5-17/1-15 in his last two years and it seemed clear to me that he had “lost the touch.” I thought it was the right call at the time and showed that IU wanted to field winning teams and was not content to let a “has-been” hang around no matter whatever laurels he might have been resting. IUFB has been .323 post-Mallory, which compares poorly with .424 all time, so yep, the coaching decisions over the last several decades have been lousy (to state the obvious). PO, I admire your spirit for refusing to accept “the malaise” as you termed it. But I do agree with Ben that there is a malaise (or whatever) about the program that presents a bigger challenge than just waving around “above average compensation” to attract a program-changing coach (whether IUFB has the $$$ or not). Which does not mean that I accept “the malaise,” but argue that it is not just a function of money.

  31. davis, Mallory’s termination was not shameful, it was the way IU’s administration terminated him that was a disgrace. One of the winningest coaches in IU Football history, not to mention one of the most tenured, discovered that he was being fired by the news media. His boss didn’t even have the stones to tell him to his face before the news leaked to the press. Corso found out the same way, from news on the car radio while out on a recruiting trip. When other members of the coaching fraternity hear about such amateurish behavior visited upon one of their own, it turns them off. The way Mallory was fired gave IU and its administration a black eye and diminished its reputation throughout college football. It affected recruiting too. Mallory was a highly respected college football coach and he deserved to be notified directly, before the news was leaked to the media. Adding insult to injury, IU’s genius administrators hired a young assistant coach to replace Mallory, and we all know how that turned out. They should have hired a man with head coaching experience who would have viewed the IU job as a major step up in his career. But instead, they went with a young, unproven assistant coach. And I suspect they did that to save money. As it turned out, they got what they paid for, as is usually the case.

  32. The problem for my (long) Hoosier lifetime with IU FB is IU BB-it is KING. It has made it difficult for IU FB to advance successfully. Hoosier BB sucks the 02 out of Bloomington. Though no fault of IU BB. As far as hiring experienced successful FB coaches as the magic ingredient-well 141-196-6 proves that as pure whitewash. Wilson was hired much on the consultation of FB personnel guru and former conference commissioner Chuck Nienas. He is the most highly regarded consultant in CFB. Also Wilson was signed at the time for about all IU could expend and still have a resonating budget to afford decent Assistants. BTN $ weren’t then what they are today and manifestly increasing into the future. In fact davis the $2.6-3.4m is based on what the BTN will hand IU in $ over the next HC contract written for FB. I can’t offer a convincing argument that UM, NS, JF or GM could not turn the IU program around faster. They and their like are not coming to Indiana. But the mood, trajectory and results being produced are in line with how I felt it would be when we started this journey 4 years ago. Anyone who thinks not must want Lynch back. Producing positive results on the field of IU FB is the hardest job in the B1G, probably the Midwest and to my observation in the whole country.

  33. PO- didn’t know about the details of how Mallory and Corso found out they were terminated. Shameful, indeed!
    HC- I think that you are right about the Big Ten Network $$$ available to IUFB when KW was hired; the BTN was brand new and had (it seemed like) but one advertiser: Ro-Tel. I couldn’t even find their products in my grocery store. No one knew how the cash stream from that new venture was going to turn out. And yeah, IUBB does suck the life out of football an Indiana. “Another gridiron stomping? Just wait ’til this winter!” Like you I also expected this to be the rate of progress when KW was hired (sorry, PO, I guess I’ve just been conditioned to such low expectations); in fact last August when posters here were worried about whether IU would spend the $$$ to keep KW from being poached by other schools upon his having built IUFB into a respected program, I warned that there were likely to be some bumps in the road and 2014 was one of them. Is that BTN revenue figure you cited above per annum, or over the life of “the next HC contract written for FB[?]”

    I don’t pretend to know all the thought processes that went into choosing the asst. coach KW over someone with head coach credentials, but I’d bet part of the reason KW was hired was that he had been an important cog at a big-time program; maybe it was felt that IU would benefit from someone who “knows what it’s like” to be part of that level of tradition and success (as opposed to an accomplished MAC-level head coach).

  34. HC, good post. But regarding your hypothesis that IU Football has been weak because IU basketball sucks all the oxygen out of the air, I think that’s an old and very tired excuse. If, from a budgetary matter, IU spends a lot more on basketball salaries than it does on football (in relative terms), that is simply a choice that IU administrations have made going back 40 years or so. IU can do both sports with success, as many, many other universities have done (MI, MSU, OSU, WI, Baylor, FSU, FL, AZ, UCLA, TX, Stanford, UT, etc). Don’t get me wrong, IU will always place greater importance on being successful at basketball as compared to football (that’s in the state’s DNA), but there is no reason why IU can’t be great in basketball and competitive in football. We should model ourselves after University of Arizona, because their circumstances are very similar to IU. It’s simply a matter of making that choice, like AZ and other schools have done. Then make the investment. From my perspective, for decades, IU administrations got away with terrible neglect of the football program because IU basketball was successful. You win an NCAA Championship once every decade or so, and IU fans and alumni bask in the afterglow for years. Their expectations were satiated and therefore placed no pressure on IU administrators to produce success in football. The Hoosier Nation has been conditioned to believe that IU can’t be good at football because it is a basketball school. That crap is just an excuse for decades or mismanagement and neglect. It’s the language of losers making excuses. When Mallory arrived in Bloomington as IU’s new football coach, he discovered to his dismay that he had a much smaller office and much lower quality practice and weight training facilities than he enjoyed as head coach at Northern Illinois. He was shocked! That was a disgrace, and it was due to decades of neglect and mismanagement that was covered up by Knight’s success in basketball. I refuse to believe that IU can’t walk and chew gum at the same time, that it can’t be a top ten basketball program while simultaneously being a competitive football program. Not expecting IU Football to be on par with OSU’s football program, but how about an Iowa, a Minnesota, a NW, or a Wisconsin. You see, I remember when IU Football was confident in their ability to beat those teams on a fairly regular basis. Why not again?

  35. davis, Annually.

    Po. It is all about the belief of media, fans and the emphasis of the administration. The 3 have put their brand on IU being BB. FB was not a priority and has not been till the MS upgrade. Even when MS was new it did not stir the possibilities like the upgrade and enhancements. Mallory was doomed the day he set foot in his tiny office through his last 4=5 seasons when he could not even recruit good enough #’s to fill his scholarship allotment and when that happens the losses increase. That is a big reason Meatchickens lead recruiter became the new HC, recruiting. The top 20-30 HC’s in America were not going to come here and reverse IU’s fortunes. I look at it as a grass roots problem, look at how many IHSAA schools did not have FB programs until the 50’s, 60’s and even the 70’s and 80’s. I agree it should not be a problem of the proportion it is but it is. No program in the country mirrors what has been and is IU FB and certainly not Arizona. Yep, 141-196-6 over 31 seasons supports what I already knew, IU BB > IUFB. Our transitioning BB program still demands more o2.

  36. HC, I agree with everything you wrote in #43. But my point is that it does not have to remain that way. Institutions can change, and great institutions embrace change with confidence. It’s a matter of vision, leadership, determination and execution. Another example of a university having success in both sports can be found about two hours south of Bloomington. Just look at Louisville. IU once hired Louisville’s head football coach (Corso), who took the job because he viewed the IU job as a promotion! What the hell has happened since those days? Now, Louisville is a top five BB program and has a very strong football program. IU could not afford to hire either their football or basketball coach (not that we would want either of those philandering scumbags, but that’s another point). If Louisville can do it, certainly IU can too.

    “Obstacles are the things you see when you take your eye off your objectives.” The Hoosier Nation has to stop using the past as an excuse for why things can’t be done in the future. It’s a loser’s mind set.

  37. HC is right about the way it is in #43 and PO is right about the way it ought to be in #42 and 44 (especially the Louisville comparison, although some might find a linear regression re: college sports program’s philandering scumbags cf. program’s rapid success). I’m not a basketball fan, so my comments about how IUBB sucks the life out of IUFB are a lament, not an excuse.

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