Commentary: Allen arrest demands swift response

Tuesday night’s shocking arrest report portrays Antonio Allen’s East 19th Street Bloomington abode as a one-stop shop for addictive Schedule 1 narcotics.

Heroin. Cocaine. Methamphetamine. In quantities that dealers possess. Six felony counts for the junior starting safety on Indiana’s football team.

This is, far and away, the worst accusation to arise regarding anybody associated with IU football during Kevin Wilson’s five-year watch as head coach.

Allen, of course, deserves his day in court and is considered innocent until and unless proven otherwise.

But last fall’s leading Hoosier tackler stands accused of dealing the most virulently dangerous, addictive sort of drugs — the sort that ruin lives, that ruin families, that addict people physiologically and psychologically. That kill people.

So the response from Wilson and his program, while obviously staying enough on the periphery to allow the legal-system authorities to do their job, needs to be swift and unequivocal and far-reaching.

The police shouldn’t be the only folks investigating with zeal and thoroughness. All kinds of immediate, persistent, candid conversation needs to happen in and around the IU football team. Along with sweeping, comprehensive drug tests. This dictates that.

Because this situation is so serious that if there is indeed involvement from Allen or any of his teammates, it needs to be rooted out completely. Pronto.

I’d expect nothing less from Wilson.

Wilson seems fun-loving when the chance arises, but very no-nonsense when circumstances warrant.

“Warrant” being an operative word in this case.

IU football needs to find out who was hanging out with Allen, and who could possibly have been even obliquely involved. Wilson and has staff need to be unrelenting and fast in ferreting out all the facts. And then they need to take action of the sort that leaves no possible room for misinterpretation.

It’s one thing to win or lose football games.

It’s another thing entirely when lives literally are on the line.


  1. Andy so right, “I’d expect nothing less from Wilson”.

    And to think legalizing the gateway drug is the right thing to do and we’ll get the added benefit of the taxes too. Got a stinking, big pig? Just pour on the perfume. Problem solved.

  2. Come on. The gateway drug? Been watching Reefer Madness? Pot is a long way from meth and heroin. It can also help a lot of medical issues. Alcohol is, in many ways, more dangerous than pot. Let’s keep the focus on the real problem here.

  3. I agree. Take action and clean this mess up immediately. Next man up. I must say that with past actions of a few IU fb players including QB transfers, player trouble, and even TC going pro (even though TC completely understandable and does not fit into these categories at all) there looms a big question of how maturily sincere and serious are IU fb players to build successful fb program. IU just does not have that kind of depth. I know major programs have their own issues. Look at Ohio State; they have 3 possible nfl qb’s or at least Canadian fb league prospects and they stay at O S U. I am sure in that program and other good programs less than OSU there are pro prospects who stay at their programs rather than transfer or leave for nfl or other reasons. In Allen’s case if charges are correct sorry to say he must have been so naively immature to be involved in so many things like he thought he was a little kid working in a candy store. Another case that defies logic. Promise turns into waste. Feel for his family also.

  4. But last fall’s leading Hoosier tackler stands accused of dealing the most virulently dangerous, addictive sort of drugs — the sort that ruin lives, that ruin families, that addict people physiologically and psychologically. That kill people.

    Hate to break it to you, but booze is far more dangerous and addictive …and kills far more, and likely ruins far more families. Alcohol is killing the entire fabric of young America. It has purchased its way into the media monster of sports as if its a twin brother to enjoyment the product. It fuels the money machine of sports and is thus excused as something different than the roadway killer and family-wrecking product of a dependent and addicted nation its dangers flippantly placed behind the “dangerous” drugs. Booze is the drug of righteousness and it flows peacefully into families pure in all aspects….The best of “good Christian families” can still drink themselves into levels of denial that go away at every Sunday service preceded by a Bloody Mary.

    We excuse the booze abuses because it takes far too big a collective look in the mirror at its profit making machine set in grand model of deceptions as a convenient and very lucrative manipulation of our values and our facade of concern for the health and well-being our children we indoctrinate into its culture of lies.

  5. And get rid of the asinine Google questionnaire you’ve brought back to Scoop and maybe we’ll actually read your stories. It seems quite the pity to answer the most mundane a question written for a Neanderthal to get to a story for a complex thinker to digest hard-hitting “commentary.” Do you really have to whore your site to Google and encourage the clicking of stupid answers to stupid Google questions? Do you really need to support snooping into our living rooms and invading basics rights to privacy to make this place work?

    We hit Google like it was Soylent Green….Never a question. Never a care. It’s internet calories you must consume…you must consume…you must consume…you must consume….you must consume.

  6. Please smart boys convince me AA did not start his association to drugs with pot. It is the Gateway to hard drugs and to starting your own illegal retail venture. I’m betting AA from his new home would agree with me. As far as the alcohol argument, alcohol is legal, drugs are not. With the exception of a couple of goofy states.

  7. I’m all for letting the legal system play out, but this seems pretty obvious. If true, he has to go and soon. Maybe Glass needs to take a closer look at how they monitor. At some point he has to stop the bleeding from the bad press that is piling up related to drugs

  8. clarion, you must be a really old man. quit spouting your ignorant theories and try doing some reading on the subject. alcohol is the gateway drug so put down your 16oz pabst so you can get some more stones in your hands. you can add religion as a gateway drug, too.

  9. I know people who do criminal or even less than criminal things think they can always get away with it. However, how could Antonio Allen rationalized being involved so carelessly with not just a case of beer, a bottle of wine or liquor or a bag of pot, but the level to which he is said to be involved with criminal felonies? How could he think he was going to get away with what he is doing? It sounds like he was not even careful and reckless even though he probably thought he was being careful and not being reckless. Just so naive, irrational and stupid. He seemed to be a solid recruit with a good head on his shoulders. Hopefully, this does not run deeper with team mates.

  10. Hoosier Clarion, alcohol was not always legal.How many people are killed each year in traffic accidents under the influence of your drug of choice? I’ll bet you have a ice box full of misery right now.What was your “gateway” to alcohol use? Where in the police report is pot mentioned? What medical use is there for Budweiser or whatever brand of the drug you consume?

  11. Aside from drugs vs. Alcohol (I have lived and witnessed the negative affects of alcohol more so than drugs). They are both bad if utilized to any kind of volume even less than excess. My point pertains to the illogical, irrational, naive, insincere and uncaring attitude that allows one in the position Antonio was in to make decisions to the careless extent he made them and think it is going to work out ok and life will continue as planned.

  12. More Indiana comparisons with’goofy Colorado. Easily confirmed by Goodle search.

    Colorado has better schools.

    Better roads.

    Much lower rates of incarceration.

    Much greater access to health care.

    Much lower infant mortality rate.

    Much lower unemployment with a much higher job satisfaction index.

    Much higher per capita income.

    Much higher voter participation rate.

    The motor vehicle fatality rate for 2014 was described by the NTSB as “approaching record lows”

    Yep, Colorado is obviously in a death spiral. A quick glance indicates that a comparison of Indiana with Washington looks very similar.

  13. One more thing. Teen use of marijuana has actually dropped since legalization. Apparently, finding out your grandma smokes pot does not necessarily make it irresistible to teenagers.

  14. I need to do no reading to be correct on this subject. AA is in the slammer this AM because of drugs, precisely being “there illegal”. I’ll also bet his very 1st sale of his now defunct business venture was pot. Even the brainiacs in Colorado who passed the asinine law are now second guessing their misplaced wisdom. But let me say this, if you enjoy breaking the law, get after it, you’re only a set of handcuffs away from meeting AA.

  15. No one in Colorado is “second guessing” legalization. That’s something you picked up from Fox News. Legalization has been successful beyond anyone’s dreams…and not just financially. DUI’s are down, incarceration is down, employment is up, ‘hard drug’ use is down. School funding is through the roof.

    It will happen in Indiana, too. Just like women voting and integration of the schools…and dancing in public. They were also considered ‘goofy’ by people trapped in the Dark Ages.

    Fox News is preaching to an audience that averages 71 years of age with an 11th grade education. That’s not a demographic that is going to have much impact moving forward.

  16. “I need to do no reading to be correct on this subject.”

    That’s classic. Obviously you don’t read but classic nonetheless.

  17. Thanks to the cops for taking this punk down. Maybe the DOJ will fly in to make sure his rights were not violated.

    He be wearing a new uniform and number.
    Pharaohs spin the message round and round the truth.

  18. HC, I was around back in the 50’s And 60’s. I can tell you that then, like today, the “gateway” drugs more often than not came from Mom and Dad’s medicine chest.They were prescribed by legal pushers called “Doctors” who were given free trips to Hawaii by the pharmaceutical companies for writing the most scrips to dear ole mom. Pot was hardly the gateway drug and was usually way down on the list to be experimented with.

  19. Just thought I should chime in since Colorado keeps coming up. I was born a Hoosier but moved to Colorado many years ago. Chet is spot on and I did not see any mention of pot in regards to AA’s arrest. Legalization has been a good thing for this state. People just need to join the 21st century already…

  20. I have an honest and sincere question. Do most people who support and defend legalizing pot and making it available to legal adults support legalizing drugs such as cocaine, heroine, meth, etc., or do they draw the line at pot? Those “illicit” drugs are hyper-addictive (spare me the b.s. argument that not everyone who tries those drugs becomes addicted. It’s a scientific fact that those substances are highly addictive.) If alcohol and tobacco (nicotine is also a highly addictive drug) do so much damage, why would anyone want to expand the number of intoxicants legally available throughout our society? Why increase the risk to public health and safety?

    As for AA, since it is a very serious criminal justice matter, my tendency is to withhold comment until all the facts are presented.

  21. There was likely more pot around Bloomington in 1978 than there is today.

    The mom of my daughter’s friend gave her kid a booze party at the family home before her 18-year-old went off to college to IU. This was reasoned as a party to give more understanding to her teen(break her of her booze virginity), along with her teen friends also readying to go off to college, of the knowing when “enough is enough.” My daughter thought this was the strangest thing imaginable….She wanted no part of such a weird attempt by a parent to indoctrinate their kid and her friends into Bloomington’s booze culture. And here I thought all the lessons you attempt to teach your kid from infancy to the gateway of adulthood would begin with confidence and trust rather than drowning them in your own habits that take them back to nursing on a bottle of a different sort..

    I do believe that even the best of parents want their kids to love alcohol with all the same sad dependency their example and abuses that justify the true “killer” drug.

    I also believe texting while driving classes should be given by the same decent, faith-preaching, alcoholic soccer moms and dads to prepare their young sons and daughters for the big challenges of college life. This would work well on the mountain passes of Colorado after consuming six micro brew beers and mass quantities of legalized weed sold in ‘Road to Shambala’ energy bars . …

    Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this Google wall….

  22. Colorado likely needed the tax benefits that came with legalization in such a non-productive subset of Western America set in a spoiled culture of wealthy snowboarders and backpack lovers(most of which have all their bucks in overseas funds full of more tax loopholes than Donald Trump’s knitting team a toupee requiring eight illegal immigrants kept locked in the basements of every Trump tower . I would also love to see an energy abuse tax placed on a-holes that that run to the grocery store in monstrous, gas-guzzling, SUV’s. …just so we can frack the crap out of the earth and destabilize the pure aquafirs

    But just as we justify booze dependency to our kids….we must justify dependency at the pump and to the fossil fuels serving as the only reason we give a sh__ about peace in the Middle East.

  23. does anyone remember the annual summer “pot smoke out” held in dunn meadow in the summer. i think it only lasted a few years but i distictly remember around a thousand people gathering to get high and listen to music. even saw about a pound of weed in a pile being burned and everyone putting their face in to get a snoot full. ahhh, summers in bloomington.

    while i’m at it, anyone here remember st. max?

  24. NO.Herion, Cocaine, and Meth should NEVER BE LEGALIZED. Trafficking in those Drugs should carry a mandatory sentence of 25 years with no chance of parole for even small amounts.Those are the drugs that need to be pursued by law enforcement.That is the part of the drug war that can still be won .Trying to bust people for pot is a waste of resources.How many people grow it in their backyard,basement or bedroom closet everyday. Good luck chasing them around while people are overdosing on prescription and powerful street drugs in record numbers.Decriminalize pot,regulate and tax it. Use the revenue to fight the battles that can still be won.

  25. A tale of leaving behind the toking with Tarheels and Blue Ridge Mountain yuppies to a taste for eternal munchies on energy bars laced with the unregulated weed vitamins a carefree Rocky Mountain high granola: It’s “How to Train Your Dragon 2” starring Kate BlandChet.

    draggin’ = .Dragon. (just in case you didn’t inhale the meaning)

  26. A basketball locker room full of pot smoke….? Would it be enough to actually calm down Crean and allow him to think straight during the management a 40-minute game? Would the Dasani bottle only be fondled 300 times instead of the normal 735? Would a chair actually find purpose its lonely cold seat? Would substitution patterns actually not involve the removal of a hot shooter? Could weed status return our basketball program to elite status? I’m willing to take the risk.

  27. So the question about making pot legal or maintaining its current status really boils down to whether it really is a gateway drug or not. If it can be proven that it is not a gateway drug, then make it legal for anyone 21 or over and tax the hell out of it (like alcohol and tobacco). If it is a gateway drug, continue to suppress its distribution and availability.

    My guess is that certain people are highly vulnerable to addiction and others are not. For those people who are vulnerable, all intoxicants, including alcohol, should be avoided. Some day, I believe a low cost test will be available to determine a person’s vulnerability to addiction. Then it will be interesting to see how big brother responds.

  28. No matter what evidence is presented to some people, they have predetermined conclusions and search for anything to back their claim, even in the face of overwhelming evidence.

    Like this:–what-can-we-take-away

    States with the biggest meth problems: all in the Bible belt. Indiana is 3rd worst. Colorado and Washington are at the bottom.

    Saying marijuana leads to a football player in Bloomington, Indiana selling meth and heroine is goofy.

  29. Chet I think what some are referring to in regards to Colorado is the recent Colorado Supreme court ruling. They basically upheld your employers right to fire you for smoking pot even if it is off duty. Probably won’t go beyond that due to the fact that pot is still illegal federally so they won’t take it to a federal appeals court. They probably would refuse to take the case anyways.

  30. Maybe a low cost test will also one day be available to determine a brain’s vulnerability to believing in fairy tales of dead people stretched out on lounge chairs in clouds. We could easily determine that these people should be kept away from those that decline such a false “high” or the addiction of believing “gateways” to heavens is a reason to behead, crap on people, and persecute anyone for needing an escape from such societal pressures to belong to the cults of faith breathing hypocrisy while exercising judgments in guilt and pureness without ever inhaling an ounce of truth in the mirror. Now there’s a drug we should tax the living sh__ out of….Hell, they stop traffic on public streets so the church-goers can pile out of the parking lots unobstructed. I have to have a public employed officer make me wait on my public street so those that get high on clouds can support the biggest tax-free, money making machine, drug on the planet.

    But escape a bit of reality this 9-to-5 world wrapped in the schemes of religious righteousness and big business brainwashing the masses that any human being seeking a family and roof over head can survive at twice this country’s minimum wage to go off and relax with the smoking a joint and you’re labeled a vulnerable and weak person of addictive tendencies.

    Let’s not forget McRobbie’s son was caught by campus police with enough pot to suggest dealing….But when you’re part of the wealth establishment, there’s never a judgment or witch hunt….or label.

    Instead of persecuting this young man for doing nothing more than the protected classes this country that use recreational drugs like they’re one-a-day vitamins, maybe we should consider the chances of helping him? Just a thought rather than simply getting so upset at Wilson for any delays his ax and his shipping this young man off to the streets of losers deemed to have irrefutable and irreparable misfit character.

  31. Is it such a shock, Double Down…If you can afford to live in Colorado or California, what in the hell misery are you needing to run? Of course, the biggest meth problems are in the states with the highest populations locked in poverty and boredom….And, of course, religion is a wonderful escape fed to the vulnerable that big business contributes to locking in poverty. The hopelessness that comes with economic imprisonment drinks the the meth and religion as if it were kool-aid. ..And within that hopelessness builds the targets of the protected classes that love to keep backwardness locked up and as far away their havens of private beaches and valley coffee houses while mocking in disgust at the ignorance the America they so despise. Good luck fighting ISIS without those populating your ignorant stretches of America.

  32. Take it easy Harvard: like always you personalize an issue for no reason. I’m only talking about the specious link that Clarion made between marijuana and meth/heroine. The facts and data show that not only isn’t it the case, some of the states with the most rigorous drug and alcohol regulations are also the ones with the biggest problems. You always want to make a border war out of any hint of criticism of Indiana.

    I can speak all day about the issues here in California. This is a damn beautiful place, but there are massive problems that drive me nuts. Especially living in San Francisco. I’d be happy to discuss over several pitchers of beer.

    And yes, the people in the Bible Belt are also overwhelmingly the ones that make the ultimate sacrifice for our country. And that is sad.

    You can take your accusation of mocking people in these areas and put it in the place that you usually tell people to put things.

  33. coachv,

    Do you fight or stand with ISIS? Serious question. You seem like the type. You’re very evil and wouldn’t be surprised if many people are out to get you. How old are you anyways? The evil you spew on here makes you look like a child? Remember when you bashed Tracy Smiths son and received a prompt response from Mrs Smith? So do I. Please go away.

  34. Chet is right in regards to roads. I just visited Indiana and dang the roads are terrible! I don’t mind one way or the other if they legalize pot. If the money is put to good use then I have no problems with it. The biggest thing I guess is how it could be abused. It takes one person to ruin a good thing. I personally wouldn’t smoke it but know people who would. These same people went on to do great things. I applaud Colorado and hope they continue to research it and see what it does for the state. Give it 10 years and make a judgement call. We can’t even get a lottery here….

  35. Regarding legalization of such drugs as meth or heroin. No, I don’t see that as a viable option. Along those lines, though, is the statistically most effective method, which is decriminalization accompanied by treatment. The outcomes are not only vastly superior but it is far, far, far less expensive than incarceration.

    But the treatment approach doesn’t have much of a lobby and for profit prisons have an impressive lobby and lots of money to spend.

    Harvard, as far as money in Colorado it is mostly petroleum (fortunately it’s generally more regulated than most places), high tech, medicine, and tourism. I’m sure we have more than our share of ski slope trustafarians but most of them turn out to be Texans on vacation (if you ever want to piss off a Coloradan tell them you’re from Texas and you’re thinking about moving here. The same thing applies in North Carolina toward Floridians). I don’t think that the people buying an extra latte on the slopes really sways public opinion very much.

    Regarding people getting fired because they smoked pot in a state where it was legal, hey, those were obviously the terms of employment. They knew it going in. Just because it’s legal doesn’t mean it’s mandated. The guys on the Broncos can’t smoke pot why should you? I went from living in Bloomington to being in the Navy. I smoked pot in college and didn’t in the Navy. Them’s the rules.

    Some of the silly $hit people get their panties in a wad about. Pot being legalized in Colorado did nothing other than bring in a few more tourists, increase school funding dramatically, and keep relatively pleasant people out of jail (and the associated costs). Almost without exception the tangential societal affects have been positive, including a decrease in marijuana consumption among Colorado teens.

    Down the road, the last states to hold out will be the subject of ridicule as is South Carolina today for being the last to ratify the 13th Amendment abolishing slavery. Ever hear anybody say, “Wouldn’t it be great to live in Mississippi?”

    Some societal changes are such an easy call that those in opposition just look foolish. This is one of those.

  36. I did most the bashing of Smith’s son….and the Mellencamp thugs. That was not coachv.

    And I would not regret doing it again. Without the intervention of those that happened to pour out of the household to stop a brutal beating that could have likely killed a young man that had nothing to do with an earlier altercation, these thugs could have ended up in prison for murder. This was a cowardly act of violence by children of those very close to IU Athletics….It received such a comparatively low volume of public disgust than what came in the aftermath of a few Sampson kids that harmlessly smoked weed in their dorm rooms.

    It’s beyond me how kids from relatively protected and affluent lifestyles can harbor so much anger and violence festered and ready to unleash. And it was no surprise that such light punishments came from the product such wealth and celebrity buying its way into delays and the removal of headlines in our joke of a far from equal system those removed the normal public trials of continual contempt and drums for justice..

  37. You bash everyone Harvard. I highly doubt you would regret it. That’s why the majority of this blog laughs behind your back. You might love to write but tell me why stein your family cut you out of the will? Lunacy?

  38. The pus stalker returns under a new name.. Yippee. Missed your raging jealousy.. Still obese and hooked up to a breathing tank in Vegas? Still spewing obscene rants on SnailPond?

  39. Chet, thanks for your posts #18 and #42, bringing some sanity to the discussion of this issue.

  40. Hoosier Clarion,

    Sorry to read your post #47. I haven’t followed all of your posts. But those I have, I thought you were a reasonable and open-minded person who’d value facts, and a person with whom one could engage in a civil discussion. So your post disappoints, What’s more disappointing is the many bloggers who address this issue, and others, in terms of I’m right and your wrong. Granted this blog mirrors what’s going on in America today. And that’s frightening. It’s this kind of thinking that makes it difficult to have civil conversations and solve problems constructively without resorting to bullying or violence. And it’s this thinking that is taking America into a downward spiral.

  41. Chet, yes post #42 was great. Treatment for users who are found to be in possession of hard drugs is the way to go. Trafficking in those drugs is a whole different story. Since most of those drugs are brought in from third world countries it’s like a war has been declared on the very fabric of our society.The “gateway” argument is a Red herring. Lets leave that for the old farts sitting around in their recliners pounding Budweiser until it runs out of their ears.One day they will realize that the days of the five cent cigar are over.

  42. WaltD, You’ll just have to deal and live with your disappointment over my stance on the topic. I’ve seen to much of it to have formed any other.

    Ram isn’t an “old fart”?

    Just so your facts are straight about me I drink Heineken, 2 maybe 3 at a sitting. Also never have smoked pot. Saw a lot of it in SE Asia. Made a lot of smart young people disconnected, forever. Saw the same thing in Boulder 2 months ago. Some of them could not point their finger on a map as to their location. Their lives will be no more productive than Antonio Allen’s. Yup, legal is the easy way, turn your head and give up.

  43. Poised on the brink of making himself a high draft pick with a multimillion dollar professional career, Antonio threw it all away for a $700 payday and being a gangster. Truly pathetic! Some kid on the team will seize this opportunity for showing his abilities and IU will be better off!

  44. HC, I saw countless homeless alcoholics in New York City. To solve the problem let’s make Heineken illegal so people like you who are responsible drinkers can’t have any at all. In fact let’s outlaw anything and everything that has the potential to be misused by a few misfits who have no self- control.That would be cars,guns, food tobacco, alcohol, etc, etc.Yes we have to draw a line somewhere but that doesn’t mean we make our stand in a floodplain.By the way ,Boulder was that way 45 years ago long before pot was legal. I was there. There were FBI agents in the streets trying to curb the “menace”.That worked well didn’t it ?

  45. Oh, there it is. Finally! The old, worn out tactic of using extreme sarcasm and ridiculous leaps of logic in a failed attempt to mock someone who has a different opinion.

    Let’s try this pathetic tactic in reverse. I’m all in favor of making all illicit drugs legal as long as society can guarantee that innocent children’s lives will not be touched or affected in any way by the behavior of the users. And innocent adults too! So people who want to shoot heroine, snort coke, and use meth should be allowed to do so if they forfeit their rights to have, raise or interact with children, drive a car or any other vehicle, own a gun, hold certain types of jobs where public safety could be jeopardized, or in any way be responsible to serve other non-drug using citizens. We could create drug user zones in each state, kind of like preserves where any adult who wants to go and use these substances can reside for the remainder of their lives. But once they enter such zones, they can’t come back out. It’s a one way street. They can shoot, smoke and snort until they kill themselves. Problem solved, right? Ridiculous.

  46. Podunker have you fallen on your head since last night? I know you have been chomping at the bit to jump on here and try to twist what I wrote just like you always do. Go back and read my post #28 and then reread your last post and then we’ll decide what is “‘Ridiculous”. What is ridiculous is your contempt for honest debate without twisting and exaggerating the words of others.You’re like some little third grade nerd waiting to jump out from some dark corner and yell “got ya”.I Don’t have time to play with you EVER so run along.

  47. RAM, how interesting that you would you assume that my post was directed at you? Is it because you referenced making “Heinenken” illegal or because you wrote “let’s outlaw anything and everything that has the potential to be misused by a few misfits who have no self- control. That would be cars, guns, food tobacco, alcohol, etc, etc.” By the way, you left out fire.

    If the shoe fits………..

  48. I never argue with idiots. They only bring me down to their level and beat me with experience.

  49. hc

    you saw a lot of smart young people smoke pot and become disconnected forever? hahahaahhahahahha. man, you are an old fool.

  50. I was in Boulder last year…The main thing I remember is lots and lots of young people and too busy of sidewalks. I also remember the restaurant I visited for breakfast was not very clean. And the food was not of very high quality though most of the patrons appeared as if they had plenty of time to discern the difference. Was it that they didn’t care the food sucked or just didn’t know? I asked myself the same question in regard to the cleanliness of the place.. Do potheads lose their ability to recognize where soap and sponges can matter? Anyway, there were a group of four young men that plopped in a table beside ours….I never saw so much food consumed…I don’t know how many calories were piled onto their plates, but they shoveled it down as if their mouths were dumping grounds in sandboxes and forks were Tonka trucks. They chatted at the normal pace, but they were definitely at a food race. Do potheads realize how much they are eating? I wonder if pot has some sort of effect on those earliest strands of DNA that date back to our beginnings a species…..when survival was more important and a club was carried rather than visited to seek partner for cave painting. I’ve never been a person stressed over the pace of life…(at least not yet). But there is something very peculiar about seeing people in their twenties just so at ease with it all…..And that’s my very short impressions of Boulder. The thing I can compare it closest to is the civilization in white robes visited far, far, far into the future depicted in H.G. Wells “Time Machine.” Just so very placid …but with differences…No snacking on grapes…These are placid beings with appetites that could deplete the earth’s crops and food supplies into the bald planet in 50 years. So scrap the Time Machine comparison.

    I’d keep the weed illegal for now …Put these potheads in a space rocket and they’ll not notice their own colon waste floating in the cabin …There won’t be enough food in the payload…They’ll peer out the tiny window and think earth is a meatball…There will be a very gentle disagreement that Mars looks more like a meatball but far too tiny for an early lunch……

  51. Guess I’ll leave with a tune….Commence laughing behind my comment box…..or in front…or in my comment box’s face. Go ahead, make my day. You feel lucky, huh, comment box punk? And I was not written out of the family will. They left me a comment box and 17 17 cents.

    Bring back the Sampson thugs and rid Bloomington of its drunken fools on the basketball team and the drug-dealing football gangsters used as starters.

  52. Ram, You threw so much on the wall in # 52 I just do not have the time to ponder right now, maybe later. …but…
    I’ve been to Colorado 4 times since they chose to legalize their entertainment product of choice and each time I observe more change than the time before. Some of the folks(I have no idea how they voted) I do business with are second guessing as to whether the legalization as it goes further down the road was a good decision or not. After 4 trips I’m quite certain I read the landscape correctly.
    By the way the 1st time I was in Boulder was 1969 or 70, yup about 45 years ago. Yes they were dancing to a little different tune than myself but nothing like today. But I will say it was a hell of a lot of fun then.

  53. No doubt your weekend in Boulder gave you a solid grasp of how we feel throughout the state.

    I’d suggest you now head to DisneyWorld to feel the pulse of the Florida electorate.

  54. Here’s an assignment. Find a Colorado statewide or national officeholder advocating repeal of legalization. It would be political suicide.

  55. Chester, Like a stated I’ve been there 4 times, a total of 17 days not including travel days. I read people exceptionally well. If there are voters starting to question it as I’ve witnessed, politicians will naturally get their ears up. As far as your offhand and childish remarks I suggest you go back to Kaintuck.

  56. Chet-

    You’ve moved so many places, I suspect you’re an expert in the feelings everywhere you left behind.

    I didn’t pretend to be an expert in Colorado lifestyle or politics..or the motives to legalize weed. I’d much rather live in a place that gets high on weed than high on the next assualt weapon purchased to protect a right to fly the Confederate flag on a front porch.

    But I think you’ll find decent people anywhere..I simply gave no different a perspective than those that remember Indiana as the same place it was when they attended college in the 1970’s….Or those that sum up our state as representative a bakery that won’t serve a congratulatory wish to a gay couple on a wedding cake. Or those that sum up our liberal learning institutions by the squareness a blowbag preacher standing forefront a very prominent and historical basketball program.

    Of course, you never make those gargantuan leaps to stereotype a place other than your own backyard because everywhere you live(or left behind) is a model your perfect self. Then again, Kentucky in your blood may be the running mechanism of your contempt for everything but your own righteous opinion following closely forever in the shadows you think you’ve so distanced. So please quit with your routine to shrink my brain to fit in your tiny pocket.

    Speaking of Disney World….I doubt there’s a more evil CEO than Mickey Mouse. All in the name of profits….Pot booths in Disney World….? Cotton weed candy? Cinderella’s Reefer Castle? Tomorrowland? Hell, I thought we were here just a few minutes ago. It’s tomorrow already? I’m now a roller on a coaster….That’s deep, dude.

  57. I would think that a guy that loves Barney Frank and enjoys a Sunday afternoon with a couple Heineken’ status brews and painting the master bedroom for the “Mrs.bride”…followed by the baking a cherry pie in a 1973 electric Proctor Silex iron skillet would be very receptive to legalized weed. ..Then again, I’m just making a huge stereotype leap. ….Do I envision a Mary Kay cosmetics bumper sticker on the pink Cadillac SUV in the gravel driveway…? Does it smell like Clarion’s very own freshly smoked homegrown inside..? Hell ya. it does.

  58. And I’ve always wondered what Mr. & Mrs. Chet would bring to a camera and a pose a few hours after sharing a plateful some pot brownies. …

  59. With AA out of the picture who now steps into that vacancy at safety position? Was hoping we’d see more of Donovan Clark this year. Rashard Fant is more or a cornerback than a safety. Wondering if there will be position changes, maybe an athlete like Chris Covington moving into a SS spot. Didn’t IU recruit a big hitting incoming freshman DB from Fl or Ga? Any word on Ralph Green III rejoining the team anytime soon?

  60. Tony Fields will be in the mix with Chase Dutra and a couple others. IU had a tiny bit of depth at safety. Of course this hurts.

  61. I’m not sure if you want a guy playing defensive safety whose name can form the anagram ‘A Hands Fart.’ Best leave that name at cornerback.

  62. Skimmed through the last several posts, and I saw no mention of Schwarber. Shameful. My Cubbies lost today, but not because of Kyle. In 2+ MLB starts he’s 6-10, 5 runs, 4 RBI, and triple, and a HR. The future is bright in Wrigley, my friends.

    Haven’t yet read the thread. Now I’ll try to catch up on the rest of the commentary. But I have a feeling I’ll see… SQUIRREL!

  63. Great discussion, for the most part. The only thing I’ll add is that so many arguments seem too localized. Living in Central America again– which is where much of the drug trade pivots– you see some of the different effects. This region has the highest “peacetime” murder rate in the world. And it’s not because of their deep Catholic faith. They’re mostly good people. But too many of their kids grow up glue sniffers from the age of 10 and turn to cartels shortly afterward. Much like inner city kids inAmerica turn to gangs. Then what happens when their cash crop value plummets? It’s tragic and scary. And violent. And it in turn effects us all over again.

    I won’t profess to know what the answer is. Neither should you. But I think we should pay attention to what happens in our own region where we legalize/decriminalize “lesser” drugs (don’t get me started on the whole “gateway” garbage; if a kid is so disposed, a kid is going to start on whatever is his peers are doing, whether it’s cigarettes or marijuana or alcohol or his mother’s Zoloft his dad’s little blue pill or his little sister’s glue stick…) versus those that we condemn altogether. It all has further reaching effects than most people can imagine.

  64. In no way will you ever see Fant playing SS unless there is about 29 injuries.. He is a cover guy. And for IU’s sake I hope a very good one.

  65. Yes, scratch Rashad Fant as ss. Isn’t there an incoming frosh that might have to be thrown into the mix a little now.

  66. Correct, there are 5 listed Safeties for the 2015 class and that could grow by 1 or 2 more because of the loss of AA as there are 3 commits labeled as Athlete that will have to land in a position come preseason camp. 3 of these S’s are 6’2″ or bigger. Tyler Green was a de-commit from the Buckeyes, Jameel Cook was a de-commit from Maryland and another was a de-commit from U of So. Florida. Losing Allen hurts but 2 or 3 of these guys are going to get some playing time.

  67. Thanks HC. Now that’s the type of discourse I look for on this site.

    I totally forgot about those guys being decommits from top programs. Hope that helps IU out.

    Appreciate the football input.

  68. Punjab,
    That’s just the thing. At least as far as pot is concerned, in Latin America it is grown and distributed by some form of criminal enterprise and God only knows what kinds of pesticides are in it. In Colorado it is more heavily regulated than the pharmaceutical industry (and far, far, far more heavily taxed). The people growing it are educated professionals.

    The ‘old’ system tremendously benefits criminals. In Colorado many regular citizens benefit.

    It’s an easy call.

  69. That’s incredible about Swarber. I wonder if they are still gonna send him down to triple A?

  70. Harvard, a day without being insulted by you is like a day without sunshine (I’m in Indy today so I know about those).

    Sorry I make you sad, dude. Just living life.

  71. Agreed, Chet. I’m in favor of what Colorado is doing, even if I haven’t touched the stuff in over a dozen years (and can’t for several more.) But the point is, it also has a counter-effect. Just want to remind people that where demand goes down in one area, “entrepreneurs” and/or bad actors will ramp up their activity in another to keep their bottom line. Mostly good for America; not so much in other regions of the world. And that’s a problem that will inevitably filter in to our border states and beyond. It’s almost never as simple a problem/solution as some people try to frame it.

    Regarding drugs, it’s shame people stick to their reefer madness ideology while ignoring more concerning problems and the complexities of fixing them.

    Damn shame about Allen, too. We obviously don’t know all the facts, but he looks to be another bad actor who thought the law didn’t apply to him. Maybe he just needed quicker money to support something/someone? Chances are, though, he was just another a-hole abusing his gifts. Time will tell. Hope the Hoosiers can recover quickly.

  72. It is interesting that in spite of Schwarber’s offensive prowess, he’s being sent back down to the minors. He insists on becoming a major league catcher and is not quite ready to play that position at that level. He very well could have converted to an outfield position and already been on in the Cubs’ roster because of his bat. Time will tell if he’s made the right decision. Given the money at stake and the fact that catchers’ careers can be relatively short due to the physical toll that position takes, I hope it works out for him. I’d love to see him stay with the Cubs, but suspect that he could become trade bait with an American League team.

  73. Chet- Your tendencies do not make me sad….And if your “just living life” is requiring a certain amount of desire to spread your big beautiful wings on Scoop, it doesn’t take much of a quality shrink to know your constant and ever-growing canvas of paint applied to Chet’s summer boat project…Chet’s motorcycles…Chet’s hot Olympian swimmer wife…Chet’s Ivy League kids…Chet’s mountain retreats….Chet’s trips to Central America…Chet’s trips to Maine…Chet’s bumping into Andie MacDowell(Did I tell you she prefers “Rose?”) for a few shared crunches at the gym….etc, etc…etc. can never include enough tubes of Winsor & Newton. For some reason “your living life” also requires quite the time with brushes and paints for a very fine work of cellophane in a frame for a Scoop comment box.

    You have a bit of a mean stroke on that canvas, Chet. And you get a bit sloppy with the paint when working with so much sun in all your scenes. Whatever you’re trying to prove, I sorta think you should give yourself a break. And I hope you find plenty of sun at the deepest reserves a loved and loving heart far below the light penetrating the human canvas our skin. You talk so much of the good in those around you….I hope you find the same warmth of rays and appreciation we all long behind the clouds.

    Hope you enjoy your stay in Indiana.

  74. Shouldn’t we be talking about Andy Graham’s Cardinals …..and the criminal acts his favorite cheating team hacking into private emails? This makes ‘Deflate-gate’ cheats of New England look like silly putty. FBI does not stand for Fun Baseball Inning….

    No class whatsoever in St. Louis …What I always knew was at the heart of that organization…And in such contrasts to their despicable behavior, the Cubs could go without a World Series for a 1000 years and forever keep baseball in the heart of a pure place that is good, the “Friendly Confines,” and the innocence a game too lovely and honored to corrupt. It’s one thing to finish on top of the division…It’s much more the challenge to never sell your soul, or the game, to do so. Always knew Mark McGwire was cheating with the pumping his forearms full of steroids as well….No different than A-Rod and how the Yankees cheat their way to big hits in big games.

  75. ^^^That was a “COMMENTARY”….I trust Major League Baseball to take swift action and ban the Cardinals from postseason play for the next five years. They should really be banned from baseball for life, but everyone(and I would suppose every cheating “organization”) deserves a second chance.

  76. You went there, Harv. That team that shall not be mentioned. But for fairness’ sake, let’s not forget how Sammy all of a sudden forgot how to speak English in front of Congress. Our Cubs, for all their lovable losing, are not without their stains… However rogue their agents might have been.

  77. Look for Schwarber to be brought up again if/when the Cubs make it to the playoffs in preparation for the World Series.

  78. Laboratory tests actually found the cork to be from the locker room celebrations of St. Louis champagne bottles….Subsequent investigations found it to be planted via similar organized infiltration/criminal activities now being investigated by the FBI regarding the Cardinal’s spying/cyber-hacking into the Houston Astros.

    Steroids and McGwire? “Gateway Arch” drug?

  79. Jeremy-

    Could you or Mike possibly start wearing a Cubs hat during ScoopTalks? This could give cheating a bit of fair representation. It would also be a nice way of showing a bit of support for Schwarber…without doing anymore damage to “objectivity” than other needless hat distractions during the video time supposedly dedicated to IU Football taking front stage…?.

  80. Charlie Hustle….does deserve some fair cheater/fixer representation. Gotta hand it to the guy, he never failed to gamble while stretching a soft one up over the middle into a headfirst two-bagger.

    Wow…I’m actually remembering Pedro Borbón played for the Reds. My memory is crazy….This calls for a Borbón & Coke!

  81. Though Pete Rose was rarely caught leaning, his wife’s exceptional balance is nothing to balk at?

  82. Rose spoke of a brutal collision at home that caused a severe concussion and the seeing of two mounds …He would later talk some baseball…?

  83. Can’the help but wonder if there were warning signs about Allen that resulted in him signing with IU rather than a more prominent program.

    Harvard, I hope you find your happy place. I really do. Life is too short to be otherwise.

  84. I happen to be in Indy be because my best friend died suddenly and without warning a few days ago. All of us have thorns on our rose bushes.

  85. I know you mean well, Chet. I wish only plenty of sunshiny days for you too. I know you have a great family that you are very proud.
    Sorry that you didn’t get better Hoosier weather. It’s been the rainiest beginnings of an Indiana summer far beyond anything I can remember.

    I agree…There had to be warning signs concerning Allen. And it’s pretty hard to believe that coaches and teammates could be so blind to what was going on. My confidence in Wilson took a large hit. I’m can’t help but think our leaders are in over the heads and don’t have the toughness for the responsibility their positions. This wasn’t a kid lost in the subsets of irrelevance far down the depth charts. Very sad on so many levels…There had to be a lot of tight lips because of fear.. Drugs aren’t the only issue here.

  86. Antonio Allen situation is another embarrassing example of what this sick society in its arenas, colosseums, stadiums, fields, and entertainment centers, (even though IU stadium is not full) on game day or evening will cheer for with concerts etc sprinkled in here and there. Cheering for the Pro venues is society demonstrating it’s professional sickness. It should be battles like the Monon Bell played in such places; more representative as it was many many years ago, representative of great American character….and a well society would be there to cheer.

  87. Is this IU fb blog of 101 posts and counting a blog record. Who would think that IU fb would get such notoriety.

  88. Just saw where IU picked up a 3-star safety from FL. I can’t help but wonder how much– if any– of that was due to the recently vacated spot by Allen.

    A couple of other things crossed my mind when I read that. One, how different the expectations when we get excited for a 3-star football recruit, whereas a 3-star basketball recruit is darn near grounds for dismissal. Two, I also saw the other day where JJ Watt was a 2-star prospect coming out of high school. He’s now a 2-time NFL DPOY, (many would argue he should have been MVP last year,) and will almost assuredly be in Canton one day. You just never know with these things.

  89. Thanks Jeremy. I guess you were away today. Extremely virulent and hostile stuff. Hard to believe that level of vicious spew doesn’t get a permanent IP ban. When sentences with “gun” and “killer” enter into a verbal attack with disgusting inferences, I hope it communicates serious attention beyond the simple partial bleaching of the thread.

  90. Internet gangsters, Harv. While you and I and several other posters on here like to push buttons and play the antoganist now and again– perhaps sometimes a little too far– it’s generally done in good spirits. And most of us are pretty quick to reverse course and offer sincere words of sympathy and/or regret once we realize we crossed the line.

    Rarely do I get personally offended, but I just feel sorry for some people who feel the need to spew vile attacks. With few exceptions, either they are genuinely filled with hate and misery, or they are so beat up and so insecure in their real life that this is their way of reclaiming some sort of false relevance. (Or far worse, they’re about to shoot up a church or a school or a movie theater.) We see it all the time… in just about any comment thread on the internet. It’s just a shame. But don’t think that your appropriately reserved responses to said attacks today went unnoticed. Some people you just can’t reason with.

  91. Jeremy, what could have possibly been so important that you thought you could take a few hours off from policing this blog?

    (And by the way, thanks for all your good work. It can’t be easy.)

  92. There was sure a long, long span of silence after the “killer” comments….Obviously, nothing here suggests the returning to the scene of a crime. I’ve always loved conspiracy theories. You reason things out so well, Punjab. My mind goes strange places and asks if maybe…..maybe I should put on the brakes to such thoughts of such a dark place with so many curtains to hide.

    Thanks to all for having my back.

  93. If I had a nickel for every time I started to write something (sometimes several paragraphs in)– whether it be on the scoop, on a social media site, or privately to a loved one– I could probably buy several candy bars and a even few packets of Fun Dip. Sometimes your mind takes you on a sightseeing trip you didn’t plan on. Sometimes you come accross a long-neglected crime scene. Sometimes you discover a waterfall. I guess it’s all part of the adventure. But you almost always feel enriched having experienced it.

  94. Football player dealing heroine, cocaine, and meth…..? Hanner and Devin kicked off the basketball team for numerous drug and alcohol offenses…

    Gone are the Hoosier days of innocence.

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