Couple changes to this week’s depth chart

Jonathan Crawford is listed as the starting strong safety and Andre Brown is ahead of Noel Padmore on Indiana’s latest depth chart, released Tuesday afternoon.

It’s also worth noting that Tegray Scales is back on the two-deep at weak-side backer after serving a two-game suspension. He’s behind Marcus Oliver. Devonte Williams, who has returned seven kickoffs, including three on Saturday, is listed in the top spot at kick returner.

Chase Dutra, by the way, is listed as the starting free safety for the third consecutive week.

Here’s how it all looks:

LT: Jason Spriggs, Brandon Knight
LG: Wes Martin, Delroy Baker
C: Jake Reed, Wes Rogers
RG: Dan Feeney, Jacob Bailey
RT: Dimitric Camiel, Tim Gardner or DeAndre Herron
WR: Ricky Jones, Nick Westbrook
WR: Simmie Cobbs, Leon Thornton
SLOT: Mitchel Paige, Damon Graham
QB: Nate Sudfeld, Zander Diamont
RB: Jordan Howard, Devine Redding
TE: Michael Cooper, Anthony Corsaro, Danny Friend, Jordan Fuchs

DT: Darius Latham, Ralph Green III, Shawn Heffern
NT: Adarius Rayner, Nate Hoff
DE: Nick Mangieri, Patrick Dougherty, Jacob Robinson
BANDIT: Zack Shaw, Nile Sykes, Greg Gooch
SLB: Clyde Newton, Dawson Fletcher or Zeke Walker
MLB: T.J. Simmons, Dameon Willis
WLB: Marcus Oliver, Tegray Scales
LCB: Rashard Fant, Ben Bach, Devonte Williams
FS: Chase Dutra, Kiante Walton, Mario Swann
SS: Jonathan Crawford, Tony Fields, Jameel Cook
RCB: Andre Brown, Noel Padmore

K: Griffin Oakes, Aaron Del Grosso, Calob Meinzer
P: Erich Toth, Joseph Gedeon
LS: Josh Pericht, Nolan Guedel, Dan Godsil
H: Erich Toth, Nick Campos
KR: Devonte Williams, Damon Graham, Ricky Brookins
PR: Mitchell Paige, Rashard Fant


  1. If you have not heard it yet KW’s weekly pregame presser setting up the WKU contest is just short of sensational. From start to finish all the little vintage Wilsonisms we occasionally get a peek of when he has let them slip out in the past 4 years are on display which in this video he sets up for us like dominoes and it is top notch. He talks about how he arrives at some decisions and the thought process he applies get there. How he wants players handled and coaches to coach depending on what day of the week it is. Still the W. Carolina staccato style and the 2-3 topics in 1 incomplete sentence but in this presser he doesn’t employee the vagueness many like to wring their hands over. He really is an open book and is pretty damned easy to read. It is near 30 minutes long to watch and he really puts you at ease that he is gaining more and more confidence about what this team can do. I watched it today(in fact was so enamored I watched it twice)and I do not remember which site it was on but it should be easy to find. Maybe the HT guys can help. Even Hep would have taken a couple of notes away from this 1. Enjoy.

  2. This game will be a real challenge for IU as the strength of WKU is the passing game and IU’s weeakness is our secondary. The good thing is our young secondary has gotten a lot of work in the first to games either with the pass or outside runs. I hope they continue to pull off wins even if they are close games as it is good preparation for B1G games. Good Luck Hoosiers!

  3. HC—I believe the video you are talking about is at:–sports–football–archived stories. The archived story is listed as: 9-14-15 Media Monday: IU vs. WKU. is the official IU website for all IU sports.
    By the way, great synopsis on the video. Written stories cannot capture the true essence of Coach Wilson like video does.

  4. “……doesn’t employee the vagueness”

    I think you meant ’employ’ the vagueness.

    I always thought Wilson was a smart and fun dude…I’ll watch the video nonetheless. Didn’t really understand the recent attacks and attempts by some on Scoop to suggest otherwise… My favorite Wilson moment is still the time he attempted the Slip ‘n’ Slide

  5. vgBMG, Correct although I seldom use unless I need info from the roster listings as I just find the site to sterile but yes it does provide much accurate info on IU athletics. But that is certainly the best presser I’ve watched since Hep’s intro as new HC. Wilson looked so natural and at ease offering detailed answers to many Q’s from the press. That is why I stated I believe he is gaining confidence the team can continue to improve for future success.

  6. The future success of IU football will not include Kevin Wilson. Barely beat a Division II football team that is predicted to finish 7th in their conference. Barely beat a Florida team with little football history from a much weaker conference. Glad for the two wins, but hardly worth getting excited about. Most longtime IU fans know what lies ahead. This team is performing no better than it was five years ago. The younger players will get better, but it’s too late now. I’m a big supporter of IU football. Have not missed a home football game in ten years and have 12 season tickets to IU football. Tailgate and take family members with me every Saturday. By year five we should easily be handling these types of teams, not having to make second half comebacks and saying our prayers in the fourth quarter. I’ll be cheering for the Hoosiers on Saturday, but I’m greatly disappointed with the development of this team over the last five years. Love the players on this team, but they need a new voice and a new direction. Tired of the excuses. A rough road is coming up. I’m not sure what the answer is for IU football, but it’s not Good Ole Mr. Wilson.

  7. Indiana does not, and can not, play Division II schools. No DI FBS teams have DII teams on their schedules.

  8. S. Illinois is a FCS division program that plays in the Missouri Valley Conference. FCS was formerly called Division II.

  9. You may be an invested fan but you are a soft supporter and Chet exposed how little you know about FB. 4 whiffs, and your out.

  10. Xavier,
    You are mistaken. The rule you are referring to limits competition between FBS and FCS programs both of which are Division I.
    Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) teams have not been allowed to schedule Division II for as long as I can remember and I can remember a long time.
    You are confusing Football Championship Subdivision, again Division I, teams with Division II. There is a world of difference.

  11. Prior to adopting the name Football Championship Subdivision it was known as Division IAA.

    Just a heads up, most everyone reading posts on the Scoop already knows all this.

  12. While xavier was confused or wrong about DII vs FCS, I’d hardly call anyone who has purchased ten season tickets and brought his family and friends to every home IU football game for the last ten years a “soft supporter” of the program. IU needs more fans like xavier and his family, a lot more! In fact, IU needs thousands and thousands more fans like xavier! And while I think it is a little too soon to give up on Wilson, I’ll defend xavier’s right to criticize him and the relative strength of this football program. xavier buys the tickets, travels to Memorial Stadium, sits in the seats and supports IU Football like relatively few Hoosier fans do. Therefore, he has the right to expect that the program improve over time, field a team that is competitive within the Conference and perform to a certain level against teams from much weaker conferences. Anyone doubt that Arkansas fans are very displeased with their team’s head coach after last week’s loss to Toledo? Teams from Power football conferences like the Big Ten are supposed to beat FCS teams and middling teams from weaker conferences. If they can’t do that, even early in the season, it does not portend well for their ability to compete with and win against teams from within their Power conference. I know it’s not that simple, and I know teams evolve and improve rapidly in the first month of the season, but what xavier and many others witnessed in the Southern Illinois game brought back embarrassing memories from previous Wilson teams that were not prepared to beat teams from weaker conferences, and that went on to losing seasons. The simple fact is, most Hoosier fans believe IU must win all the pre-conference games if they’re are going to retain hope of having a winning season in 2015. The team that was lucky to survive Southern Illinois did not look like a team that was any better than the team that lost to Ball State in Indianapolis four years ago. In some ways, they looked worse. Wilson has had plenty of time to demonstrate that his leadership and coaching skills have produced an improved level of performance that IU fans desire. The near disaster against Southern Illinois created legitimate doubt about his ability as a head coach. Beating a good Western Kentucky team this Saturday will eliminate some of that doubt. Beating Wake Forest will renew the Hoosier Nation’s hope that Wilson has turned the corner and silence his skeptics, at least for a couple of weeks. I’m sure xavier, in spite of his doubts, still hopes Wilson can do it. And if not, at least he’ll be in the stadium supporting the team.

  13. Clarion, you are unusually exuberant in post #1. Nothing gets you going like a red-faced, to the point 50+ white male in a leadership position. I’d guess that you are WWII history buff and admire General Patton and Churchill.

    I like Wilson too from a personality standpoint. His ability to form a competent staff and recruit the right players on the defensive side is disturbing and probably his achilles heel. I hope otherwise.

  14. The comments by xavier may be wrong about the designations between Division I and Division II teams, but anyone looking at an IU preseason football schedule is not witnessing an inspiring level of competition. It’s safe and it’s boring. It will not fill seats. And scheduling some games that will not wind up until the late hours of the night, is also adding a danger element to families returning home(especially those having to head northward through construction zones back to Indy)….Low attendance in nighttime hours seems to add an even gloomier look through a camera’s eye pointed toward the stands….

    I get it…Everyone schedules “soft’ to put a couple high probability wins in the back pocket for a rainy day…But IU football shouldn’t be the norm right now…They need to take more risk and give their fans something to get on board early. The clouds of doubt will not lift with teams like Western Kentucky, Southern Illinois, and Florida International….Teams like Missouri and Navy in a preseason schedule gave hints that IU was willing to take some risk for the fans and prove, most importantly, to themselves, they were making strides to participate in a conference they should have long ago been evicted for never paying the rent in victories. Lower level mid-majors and almost always playing it safe in non-conference play is an insult to a concept of “Win Today.” You may win today, but you will lose tomorrow. You will not part the clouds of doubt , nor bring a true sense of optimism to a paying fan, as you march to war with a .500 record in your pretty candy striped chrome helmets to an Alpo Snaps Bowl.

    Do I like Coach Wilson. Yeah…he’s seems like an honest and decent guy. But the scheduling indicates a job to be protected…Stronger preseason scheduling shows more.. It shows a love, belief in his mission, and a determination strong enough to make it worth a risk or two(for those putting on the uniform and fans alike)..

  15. But the scheduling indicates a job to be protected

    That’s, obviously, a reference that also points to Wilson’s boss. You’ve got to risk more than just dumping big salaries next to guaranteed contract extensions. Believe enough in your choices to risk your own hide.

    Extremely soft non-conference football schedules…? Removal of the legendary IU vs UK basketball series perfectly timed to when UK is repeatably putting #1 ranked teams on the hardwood . ? It’s soft. It’s uninspiring. It’s safe. It’s boring, Mr. Fred.
    It’s a slap in the face to the loyal and educated fan that the spirit of IU is “undaunted” by the size of any Goliath and the uniform has always represented a level of pride and effort to seek challenges above the norm rather than below.

  16. Saturday against WKU is absolutely key. A win begins to start us on the road to being a credible competitor. A loss is disaster and validates the position of several on this blog that we really haven’t made much progress, if any. I think we’ll pull this one out and its been some time since we’ve had 3 consecutive wins. While realizing that Florida International is not Ohio State, I thought we played well and I thought we were probably better coached in that game than in any previous game in the Wilson era (even the few we won). Unlike prior contests, I had the distinct impression that our coaching staff was truly dialed in whereas in other games, it was more like “lets try this and see what happens.”

    Coach Wilson is clearly a work in progress and I think he’s made some strides. At this point, he is not at the level of B1G coaches in terms of game day coaching…not there yet. His strength is recruiting. I don’t know if he can grow to be a B1G coach. I hope so.

  17. Wilson probably had little or nothing to do with this season’s pre-conference schedule. Even if he did, I believe the schedule reflects the reality of IU Football four years ago, and the limited financial resources we had (and still have) to entice more prominent non-conference teams to play in Bloomington. That’s a direct result of IU’s poor attendance at home games. It also reflects the reality that if IU is to have any chance of developing a winning program, it’s going to have to learn how to win against teams from weaker conferences. The reality is, IU can’t schedule teams like Notre Dame, Baylor or USC for a home and home series. IU tried that back in the 80’s, playing non-conference teams like Nebraska and USC, and we watched as Corso’s boys got physically beat up. IU can’t afford it financially, and the program’s reputation can’t afford to take the beat down that would result on national TV. At the end of the season, no one remembers which teams you defeated. They only remember how many games you won and if you went to a bowl game or not. IU football needs to take baby steps, learn how to defeat teams like Southern Illinois and FIU decisively, and break the string of consecutive losing seasons, and go to bowl games. When IU can do that for a few years in a row, and reap the recruiting benefits that result, then Glass can start improving the level of non-conference competition that will entice fans to attend the early season games. The frustration for many Hoosier fans is that it does not yet appear we’ve made much progress in reaching that level of performance over the last four seasons. Hopefully, a win this Saturday will begin to change those perceptions.

  18. In both 2009 and 2010 Lynch opened up 3-0….against cupcakes. Went 4-0 against non-conference opponents.. ;

    All the talk is cheap until the BIG season….All the opponents are cheap until the BIG season. We’ve played this very dull and broken record before. It won’t fill the stands.

    IU Basketball is much the same these days…Stagnant. We go exceeding “safe” in the non-conference scheduling…We get a couple decent recruits we can watch flicker on and off at the next level(most of which are soon fading stars destined to ride pine)….Most IU grads were always destined to ride pine at the next level…It was only through excellent coaching from Knight and some early Cinderella runs via some legendary Indiana h.s. kids to put IU on the map(Steve Downing, Steve Green, Abernathy, Ritter, Alford)that allowed basketball to rise to something beyond the occasional phenom that decided to wear cream and crimson. Isiah Thomas likely doesn’t even decide to come to IU without that first Cinderella run to a Final Four….It was game-changing recruiting momentum….and the talent fortunes such momentum was not timed to a carnival salesman, but a brilliant basketball coach.

  19. Leave the non-conference scheduling uninspiring and that’s where the program will find its level… The non-conference schedule recently released for the next seven years is beyond dull.

    Nobody is asking for USC or Baylor…..Nobody is realistically pleading to play ND. But we can do far better for the fans than the sort of dull that is being presented. It’s safe…It’s low risk. And much like everything done around Crean(the cancelling of the storied UK series), it is to protect jobs. And considering all the off-the-court issues in basketball, it is perpetuating an uninspired athlete that is merely at IU to put in their time.. Everything is low risk and without passion that gets kids inspired to play above the norm……to seek results surprising because the effort inspiring as a whole adds up to more than the sum its individual talent parts.

  20. Well, maybe Wilson had nothing to do with the current non-conference(though I’m not 100% sure how many options were available the last couple years), but you’d think he had some input for the next seven released….And outside of a couple challenges(Louisville, Virginia), it is dull and won’t fill the stands….and it won’t part the clouds of doubt that preview every Big 10 shellacking soon expected(in both the mindset of a team and the fans). Jobs protected….IU should be ashamed of where they’ve allowed a safe approach to find level. It’s never been the storied past of the cream and crimson in hoops. And instead of challenging football and basketball to sustain a higher level of risk and passion, they have lowered the bar for both major programs…Playing it safe in hiring decisions …and playing it safe with scheduling. But the millions in salaries for status quo keeps getting printed for a group of coaches and supposed “leaders” built by committees and collusion.

  21. Even if it were possible, scheduling teams like ND or USC would be a very bad and really irresponsible decision. I’m actually nervous about Ohio State even though we’ve played them tough from time to time. The difference in talent, coaching and overall sophistication between our program and those is way too vast at this point. Some folks here consider SIU and FIU beneath us. Sorry to say, at this point in our development, there are no cupcakes…no one is beneath us. We have to play hard and tough for sixty minutes to prevail over any of our competition. So, lets do that. Win one game at a time and try to keep forward momentum. If IU is going to have an FB program, there are simply no other alternatives.

  22. ^^^ Defeatism..Nothing less. Nothing more. Nobody is asking for USC or ND. But we can challenge a bit higher and ‘Win Today’ should not have meant the status quo. …where all is left to clouds of doubt as each and every BIG season approaches.

    Before IU Football is to “become” anything, they have to risk losing more.

  23. The idea that if IU schedules bigger “name” out of conference opponents it will bring people to games and excitement to the program is hogwash. 30 years ago people complained about Coach Mallory’s teams playing “weak” non-conference opponents. Guess what, IU won 6-8 games each year and approxiamtely 50,000 people attended home games.

    Minnesota is now considered a good football team. For years they’ve played one of the weakest schedules in the nation just to become bowl eligible. Yes, they played TCU the last two years. How strong was TCU when those schedules were made? They were a mid-major just like FIU.

    The bottom line is wins will bring people into the stadium. You know what? IU has now won three straight games over the last two seasons. Each of them was a close game that IU used to lose almost every time. Need I point out in each of those three games IU was playing without some of the best players on the team, yet still found a way to win! Maybe, just maybe, CKW is turning IU into an actual football program. Recruiting has improved. The team has improved physically and now passes the “eye test” of a B1G football team. IU players are now going to the NFL. Do you think it is a coincidence IU has now won three consecutive close games since they have bigger, stronger, faster football players? I don’t.

    Perhaps some of his game day coaching decisions make some people scratch their heads, but he clearly has a vision to make IU a program and it is happening in front of your very eyes…if you choose to open them.

  24. Podunker, thank you for message of support in regards to my loyalty to IU Football. Your are absolutely correct, I am not soft in my loyalty to the football program. I’m a varsity club member and absolutely love living in Bloomington and love the University. If guilty of anything, it would be my lack of support for the Head Coach. Yes, my support for him is very soft. But I think your comments captured the point of my message spot on. IU fans do expect more by year 5 and the product on the field is similar to what we had 5 years ago. I will always support IU football, no matter the coach. I probably use this sight to vent my frustrations and that probably leads some people to believe that I’m not a true supporter of IU football. It just seems that during the Wilson era there has always been excuses. In year one the team was young and a lot of players quit the program. Some say the cupboard was bare when he got here. I don’t believe that. IU was one dropped touchdown pass from getting to a bowl game the year before Wilson arrived. Later it was the defense was the problem and we needed to get rid of defensive coordinator Mallory. Last year it was “if Sudfeld wouldn’t have got hurt we would have made it to a bowl game.” This year we are back to our favorite excuse “we’re a young team that’s going to get better and better. By the way, Nate Sudfeld is my favorite IU player, ever since he walked onto the field his freshman year and almost helped us beat Ohio State. That night he looked like Dan Marino running the hurry up offense and throwing left handed darts all over the field. I had not idea who he was before that year and I’ve loved the guy ever since. He’s a big time competitor with a great attitude and an excellent student. There is a lot to like about the IU football team. Adarius Raynor, great kid and what an amazing story of hard work and perseverance and how to keep your faith during life’s difficult times. The guy’s got a story that’s similar to the movie “Blind Side”, the story of NFL player Michael Ohr. Met him one time at a convenience store in Bloomington when he was a freshman and what a super nice guy. Looked him on the internet when I got home and discovered his story. Very happy for Ricky Jones and what he’s overcome and persevered through. Really enjoy watching the play of Freshman Jonathon Crawford and think he’s gonna be a great player. That is why I go to the games. I agree, this Saturday’s game will tell a lot about IU’s bowl outlook and the strength or weakness of the IU secondary. The next two games could be the deciding factor in Wilson’s future at IU. It’s very difficult to see IU having a winning conference record. Possible, but very difficult. By the way Podunker, I clearly remember the Ball State game during year one of the Wilson Era. Drove to Indy to watch the game at the RCA Dome. What a disappointment. But had a great Rueben sandwich at Shipiro’s before the game. Little did I know at the time that was going to be the highlight of the night. But agree with you, though we have a proven and experienced in quarterback in year 5, the overall play is not significantly different.

  25. In regards to the scheduling of non conference games, I can remember a non conference home game many years ago when IU played North Carolina State, at that time led by a freshman quarterback by the name of Phillip Rivers. The guy put on a show that evening. Unbelievable talent, and just a freshman. Had NFL written all over him. Though IU got beat, it was fun watching a decent non conference team with a talented QB.

  26. OMG…You’re adding last year’s defeating of lowly PU into a “winning streak” ….Defeatism. Winning non-conference cupcakes will not bring excitement. OSU will bring enough their base to fill Memorial ..And the rest will be the same old status quo history. Uninspiring, safe, blasé, low bar, protect jobs. …All for the low price of $200.00 for a family of three. Good luck with that. , By the time trick-or-treat night rolls around, , it will all be in the books. There will be no “treats” of defeating any higher level non-conference team…There will be no tricks against OSU and other BIG foes to counter the defeatism that comes with the same old early season status quo…

    We’ve witnessed what status quo brings in basketball…It brings losing 8 out of your last 10, three straight losses at home, feeding on the bottom of the conference in team defense, getting bitch-slapped twice by Purdue, and a lack of passion that brings kids taking to vodka in convenience store parking lots..

    Safe opponents and protecting your own asses will only sink IU in even lower depths on national irrelevance. I’m trying to keep in on football, but the soft shenanigans and accepting of mediocrity in or teams and in our lowly non-conference opponents in both major sports only adds to the frustration.

    It’s time to not do things like everyone else….it’s time to schedule bigger in football and hire a far better teacher of the game in basketball. Quit throwing millions at these people while they accept such low bars to measure their own results. It’s beyond pathetic and insulting.

  27. We don’t need to do home and home with big programs. We should schedule one really tough away game every year until we get over the hump. THAT would be the boldness that I’d like to see our school’s leadership provide. These deals can be lucrative, too. More so than any home game against Southern Illinois, FIU and WKY combined for sure.

    Two of my greatest memories (there aren’t many) was IU was beating Oregon (was at that game) and Mizzou on the road.

  28. In regards to fans in the stands, I feel this is another area that the Head Coach can have an impact on.
    For the most part, I have found Wilson to be the type of coach that would rather not deal with the media and fans. Very rarely see a smile or any expression of excitement on his face. Communication is drab, with a lot of short choppy sentences with a lot of “what nots” , “dudes”, and “moving forwards” in them. I don’t feel the excitement in his personality. Maybe Coach Hep spoiled me. Hep was a motivator and an inspiring personality and he made you want to be a part of IU football. He got fans, students, players, and assistant coaches excited about IU football. Even today, I still see people wearing “Coach Hep Got me” t-shirts and also buttons that say “Hep” on them. Hep definitely had a major influence on the students. You couldn’t help but not love the guy. I think players would have run through a wall for him. He had a way of making you feel appreciated as an IU football fan.
    I don’t think the student body can relate to coach Wilson like they did Hep. Just my personal opinion. In fact, in year one of the Wilson era a good friend of mine was telling me about coach Wilson running down the sideline towards the band during the middle of a game and screaming at the band members for playing the first down cheer they used to play every time IU got a first down. Now the band only plays that song when IU scores a TD. My friend told me about thia because his daughter played in the band and came home that night and told her dad about it and was mad because the stadium was over half empty and told her dad that he should have been thankful they were still there because most people had already left. That first down cheer goes back a long time and was something the fans really enjoyed. I think I was watching a big ten classic game on espn one day and they were showing the IU/Brigham Young Holiday Bowl game from I think the 1970’s, and if I remember right I could hear the band playing that cheer. That cheer was part of IU tradition. After that game, when Wilson yelled at the band, I never heard that first down cheer played again, ever. Only after touchdowns. Did the cheer effect the IU hurry up offense? Not sure. But it’s that kind of reaction that can alienate some fans. Look at last week’s game. Apparently, shortly after Jamel Cook’s game deciding interception that was returned over 90 yards for a touchdown, assistant coach Inge, in his excitement, celebrated by wrapping his arm/hand around the shoulder or neck of coach Wilson. From what I understand (wasn’t able to actually see it due to my DVR shutting off before the end of the game) coach Wilson took exception to coach Inge’s premature celebration and got in his face, yelled at him and stuck his finger in chest. May not be exactly what happened, but something like that. I guess it was seen by TV viewers. Wilson later explained that the game was not over and coach Inge should have kept on coaching and not celebrating the most pivotal play of the game. I’m sure that after brief and excited sign of celebration, coach Inge would have went back into coaching mode after the extra point. Personally, I like to see coaches showing that kind of excitement and energy when their guys are making big plays. That doesn’t mean they are going to quit coaching after a brief show of excitement. So in the future, what does coach Inge do when his players make big plays? If I remember right he’s the linebacker coach. Basically what I’m getting at is, I want a coach that get’s me excited about IU football. We need a coach that can somehow get the student body excited football. I really feel that there is a disconnection between most IU football fans and the Head Coach.

  29. Not sure if it means anything to you Harvard, but I did find some amusement in the 3 game winning streak comment as well. Though somewhat amusing, I admire the man’s glass half full thinking.

  30. xavier- Could you imagine an assistant coach of Knight’s reacting to what seemed to be a game-clinching play, spin into his body like a kid in a candy store, while giving a full wrapping of a hairy arm tightly around Bobby’s neck? Down goes Frazier!!

    Double Down- Totally agree. A minimum of one strong non-conference challenge to give the players and fans something to truly get excited. I consider our non-conference competition to be of the caliber a Bassinet Bowl … They garner about as much noise and excitement as soft lullabies to rock babies to sleep

  31. Go to sleep…Go to sleep …
    Go to sleep my dear Florida International….
    Go to sleep. Go to sleep ….’cause you’re so very tired…
    The stands are quiet, you should try it,
    Just close your eyes for moment…
    Go to sleep, Go to sleep, oh my darling little opponent……
    Go to sleep…Go to sleep….go to sleep…go to sleep.


  32. PO, nice post #16; IU needs a lot more fans like xavier and although I don’t think it’s time to give up on KW or that KW will “never get us there,” I feel a lot like do you and Xavier: five years in to the KW regime and IU is still struggling with what should be decidedly inferior competition, just like the last five years that have ended in the same old same old.

    Recruiting is a big piece of the head coaching puzzle but it is the only one on which KW seems to have a grip. Ron Zook comes to mind- a master recruiter but went 18-38 in the Big Ten. A Rose Bowl mixed in there, granted, but in the end a wash out. This head coaching thing must be more difficult than it looks.

    Good points about the night games, H4H. I’d bet TV scheduling dictates a lot of that. Ditto for the scheduling. PLAY NOTRE DAME RIGHT NOW! OK, that’s just me, but IUFB need not schedule a murder’s row in the pre-conf. games. Hey, at least get on an airplane like a real football program and fly to someplace like Pullman or Ames or Pittsburgh.

  33. I will never allow myself to compare any Kevin Wilson scenario with Bob Knight. Bob Knight was a proven winner and a champion.

  34. I will never allow myself to compare any Kevin Wilson scenario with Bob Knight.

    Well, he’s sure a damn universe closer than Tom Crean. At least Wilson has a clue and projects some confidence(whether that be of complete delusional nature in the mountainous task he is tackling). I tend to think he’s completely delusional….and that’s what i find very endearing.

  35. The days of the Indiana Hoosiers getting on the Golden Homers schedule is over. With their switch to the ACC (effectively), they decided to keep their rivalry with USC going, the Big Ten is done with ND for the most part. They’ll occasionally reschedule the Michigan game in future years. Maybe Purdue. But never Indiana.

    ND is weak sauce, too. Instead of joining a resurgent B1G, they head to the cupcakeville in the ACC. They’re soft. Maybe ND football is like IU hoops, right Harv? (Ducking from everyone throwing heavy things at me)

    I loved watching them get mauled in the worst National Championship matchup in history. They didn’t belong anywhere near that game.

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  37. Xavier, your comments about Coach Wilson aren’t very nice and the defensive problems came from having D. Mallery as DC. This is just our DC’s second year and dealing with many recruits from Mallery’s time. The young DBs are because of not having DBs recruited until this current coaching unit got in. You don’t seem to understand a program like IU takes a number of years to turn around and with the recruits we have and the ones coming in will make IU a much better team in another year or two.

    Yes I liked Coach Hep too but all coaches are different. Coach Wilson brings in a new offense and a bad DC [that was recommended] caused the problems. Just as AD Glass said turning around a program is like turning around a battleship because it takes time; so be more patient and give Coach time to get this program turned around. I am a former state championship coach [3 times with 2 wins] so I know what it is like turning around programs that never won the title before at both schools I coached at.

  38. Double Down- No argument here. Never been much of an ND football fan. …but their basketball team sure looked like it belonged last season. Gave UK a hell of a game….and really should have won it. I also believe they would have been a much tougher match-up for Duke than Wisconsin…I loved the center on ND…Had a ton of finesse and just looked like a really nice kid. He played huge in the tournament…I’ll get back to you later with his name….Incoming lamp…DUCK!

  39. Be very satisfied that ND didn’t wind up in the BIG….IU Football is irrelevant enough….

  40. Personally speaking – I would like to see IU upgrade their non-conference schedule. As someone who attends between 3-6 home games ever year – I will not go to see the S. Illinois and Indiana States of the world. I will be attending every home the rest of this season – but skipped the first two solely due to the opponent. TV was good enough.

    One thing not discussed is the cost of what it takes for IU to schedule “soft”. It’s one thing and perfectly normal for the big boys to pay for cupcakes a ton of money to visit them – but IU is in a different situation. Smaller stadium – less fans in seats – etc, ( Simply – IU makes much less for a home game than other schools do )

    Here’s some numbers for IU’s future games.

    IU paying Idaho for 2 home games in 2021 and 2022 a total of $ 2.5 million.
    IU paying Charlotte for 2 home games in 2022 and 2023 a total of $ 2.1 million
    IU paying Geo. Southern $ 800K for a home game in 2017
    IU paying WKU during the 2019-2021 years over $ 1 million for 2 home games and one visit to WKU

    Just to point out a few. It’s hard to say what price is worthwhile for IU football to buy a win. It’s business as usual for the football power schools and obviously worth it to them. Not sure that IU fits the same math equation.

  41. The figures by Crimson are about 11 million over 5 years. We would not have to pay schools like Kansas, Iowa State, Duke, Vanderbilt, MAC schools, etc,. a couple million to play us and they would be teams that fall into our general history of football success (or failure). Any of those teams would generate more interest and probably bring a few more fans plus losing would not result in the sense of hopelessness losing to SUI or FIU. Think how they could use that eleven million to reduce prices to a few games each year to gain more fans in the stands, and, that increased attendance would offset the reduced prices or more. However, they won’t do it with games that end near midnight no matter who they are playing.

  42. Everything hinges on Florida International…..Must get to one of the 42 bowl games. Yes, 42.


    Top-10 New Entries for the 2016-17 Lineup of Bowl Games:

    10. The Cicada Bowls I & II…(Bring your ticket stub back in 2033, and get into Cicada II free!…Ideal for teams like Indiana University that generally crawl out of the dirt every 17 years)

    9. The Mission ImpossiBowl (You want Alabama? You got ’em).

    8. The Twelve Days of Christmas Bowl (Winners of Poinsettia Bowl and Holiday Bowl go head-to-head)

    7. The Coleman Camping Products Booth Review of a Booth Review Bowl (Bring a sleeping bag).

    6. The Uniqlo Bowl...(Every first down choice is Uniqlo Ultra Light Down!)

    5. b>The Chinoiserie Chinstrap Bowl. (If you can pronounce it, you have a concussion).

    4. The Hooters Reclaimed Hardwood Bowl (Dates to be determined..We’ll keep you abreast).

    3. The Phalt in our Stars Bowl...(sponsored by the Asphalt Pavement Alliance of America).

    2. The LifeLock Identity Protection Bowl...(Your team’s crappy record is safe at this bowl).

    1. The Medical Direct Pain-Free Catheter Bowl (this piss-poor game will not be streamed).

  43. Po, I never have any real problem with someone complaining. But to not know D1-A from D1-AA makes me question being a FB fan or a soft supporter just throwing $ around to brag about.

    Tom surely you don’t have a problem with who I like or don’t like. Indeed I was exuberant because over the past week or 2 many were making negative comments about Wilson’s verbal delivery. They preferred to be blinded by frivolity and miss completely the thoughts he was passing on. But you are correct I do pay attention to anyone(regardless of gender, age, race or having 3 ears)who can spit out what they feel no matter what flavor is in their mouth, providing it comes by way of knowledge and not just a particular slant. Nice to hear from you.

  44. xavier, good post in #32. And no need for you to explain or apologize for expressing your frustration about IU Football on the Hoosier Scoop. As far as I’m concerned, expressing frustration is a sign of a true and loyal fan. If a person does not get frustrated by IU’s football program from time to time, they don’t care enough to be considered a strong IU football fan. They may love IU and IU Athletics, but a lack of frustration is an indication that they either don’t care about football or they’ve long since given up hope. I think that describes the vast majority of Hoosier alumni, students and local IU fans. When it comes to IU football, they have long since given up hope. Some time ago, or maybe having been conditioned to do so since childhood, they placed their hopes, dreams and passions about IU football in a vault and locked it up tight. Some are waiting for an excuse to open the vault and dust off those old hopes, or become enthusiastic about IU football for the first time in their lives. But until given a reason to do so, they have put IU football out of their mind. When I was a student at IU, one of my best friends was a rabid IU Football fan. He had walked on to the team his freshman year, but quit after suffering an injury in summer camp. He loved Corso and remained an avid fan all throughout college. We’d go to every away football game that was within reasonable driving distance. We celebrated heartily after IU defeated BYU in the Holiday Bowl. Well, two years ago, we were reunited for the BGSU game (which IU won). I was excited after the game but noticed my old friend was obviously not. He seemed not to care a bit about the fact that IU had just won the game. We discussed it and I was shocked when he expressed extreme cynicism about IU ever having a successful football program. Long story short, the passion and hope he once possessed for IU football had been completely destroyed over the decades since we’d been students in Bloomington. He has lost all hope and now only attends home games when the weather is ideal, usually leaving the game at half time. It was very sad to witness his transformation from die-hard fan to extreme skeptic. But I think my friend’s evolution is representative of tens of thousands of IU alumni. Furthermore, during the entire life span of most of today’s IU students, IU has only had one marginally successful football season. The Hoosier Nation has been conditioned not to care about IU Football. You and your family are exceptions to that, and I applaud you for your loyalty and continued support. Feel free to vent your frustration and dissatisfaction all you want as long as you continue to be a strong supporter of IU’s football program. Hopefully, the outcome of tomorrow’s game will be a source of additional hope and optimism.

  45. HC, I’ve made the same transcription mistake xavier did, and I assure you that I know and have always known the difference between DII, DIAA, and DI. It’s the new initialisms (FBS vs FCS), that I believe were stupid and unnecessary changes, that I have never taken the time to memorize that cause the problem. And no where in xavier’s post did I get the impression that he was “just throwing $ around to brag about.” And even if he was, I believe you have it completely backward. xavier is an example of a “hard” fan. He’s a true fan. He’s a real fan. And I call for more people to copy xavier’s behavior. You see, being a fan is not defined by what you think or believe, it’s defined by what you do. Being a real fan is defined by the actions you take, not how much knowledge or expertise you may have about the sport or the team. xavier is a hard and real fan because he is taking action, and his actions are in support of IU Football. Xavier buys IU Football season tickets (ten seasons tickets every year). xavier takes his family and friends to Memorial Stadium. xavier (et al.) actually enters Memorial Stadium and (I presume) occupies his seats. xavier (I presume) buys food, beverages and IU fan gear (hats, shirts, etc.) xavier probably cheers for IU’s football team and celebrates when they have success. xavier probably gets upset of become saddened when they fail or lose. Yes in deed, xavier personified a real, true, hard IU football fan. And the problem is not that xavier does not know the difference between DII, FBS and FCS, the problem is that there are not nearly enough people like xavier within The Hoosier Nation that emulate his behavior. A person can have perfect knowledge about and comprehension of everything that is college and IU Football, but if they don’t take any action in support of IU football, they are not real, true IU Football fans. In fact, those types of people are actually the soft fans. IU Football needs thousands more real fans like xavier with the money he spends in support of IU Football.

  46. Hoosier Football…..? Indiana? Candy-stripes DNA? Painting them onto a helmet won’t put them in your chrome-a-zones.

  47. Why was JPat never called a “hard fan”…or a “real fan?” He’s certainly been on this site a lot longer than xavier…..I sorta buy what JPat expresses as truth a bit more…because of his year’s of accounts and details about many games attended. Anyone can get on here and spout some claim of going to every game that may or may not be true. So let’s just stop the designation…This is a blog where “real” identities are never known Nothing is verifiable to determine who is, or is not a “real fan.”

  48. Two quotes from post #6 (courtesy Mr. Hard, True, Real Fan):

    The future success of IU football will not include Kevin Wilson.

    I’m not sure what the answer is for IU football, but it’s not Good Ole Mr. Wilson.

    Sounds like he has a severe case of KWDS…..And though he just found this lovely blogging site, the Kevin Wilson Deficiency Syndrome has likely been going on for quite some time. It sure sounds like a harsh case based on taking aim at a coach only in his fourth season of trying to build something from nothing at the most notoriously losing football program in the history of college football(maybe in the history of all sports at any level)…..And let’s also remember that this KWDS is also being exhibited while Kevin Wilson is putting things a bit back in restart mode with a new DC(a move that all “REAL” fans felt totally necessary)….

    I wonder Mr. Hard True Real Fan attended Xavier…? Or maybe he became a fan of Xavier because Remy Abell plays there? I wonder if Mr.Hard, True, Real Fan enjoys IU hoops? Seems weird that such a hard, true,real fan wouldn’t have any opinions regarding all the s IU Basketball stories finding threads on Scoop of late…I only wonder because don’t we need more hard, real, true fans that are as adamant of removing incompetence at Assembly Hall. ? Gosh, I hope so. I mean, suffering through a few years of Wilson is hardly criminal compared to the complete dysfunction and disintegration that is occurring at The “hard'” Vodka Hall of the”real” Holier-Than-Thou Assembly of a “true” CharlaTom God.

  49. 15 miles North #15

    Thursday, October 23, 2014 – 6:25 PM EDT

    Well. My creditably just hit rock bottom. I apologize. Coach Wilson not involved in any way. I must have read Chuck Pagano and my feeble brain somehow – got confused. I hope I did not tarnish Coach Wilson’s name in any way. Poor research and jumped the gun. Sorry.

    I wonder what ever happened to that Real, Hard, True…KWDS case known on Scoop for a short while as “15 miles North” …? This problem with college football divisions and facts from fiction seems eerily familiar…Some people just have it out for Wilson. Nonetheless, they are still HARD…They are still TRUE..And they are still REALly aligned with Podunker’s disdain for Wilson…

  50. To Podunker, thanks again for understanding the points of my message and identifying that I am in fact a loyal hoosier fan. Your comments about my posts and frustrations are very accurate. To Vesuvious, my comments are not meant to mean spirited, they are just my opinions and observations. Since you were a head coach, I’m guessing you probably understand that fans will always be judging you, especially when your not winning. Since you were a winning coach, maybe you didn’t have to deal with it very much, but it comes with the territory for any coach. In my view, a coach either has it or he/she doesn’t. Evaluations are made over time and sometimes initial reactions don’t coincide with the longer term results. But in this case, my initial thoughts are matching the longer term results. Here is my example. I live in Bloomington now, have for 15 years, but I grew up in Indy. Carmel has had many great high school coaches. Dick Dullughan one of the greatest high school coaches in the State of Indiana. Probably won over 5 state championships. One at Carmel and I can’t remember how many at Ben Davis. Dullaghan was replaced at Carmel by Jim Beldon when Dullaghan took an assistant coach position at Purdue. Beldon’s first two years at Carmel resulted in two State Titles and zero losses. He would go on to win at least one more state title in the highest class of Indiana high school football. Beldon would later retire and after many seasons of decent football, Coach Mo Moriaity would eventually come to Carmel. Instantly Carmel became yearly contenders for a State Title. In five years at Carmel, Moriaity won one championship and went to four consecutive state title games in only five years at Carmel. He left Carmel to become an assistant coach at IU and would later lose his job when Lynch was fired. Before his successful years at Carmel, he was head coach at Bloomington South for 15 years and had 143-31 record during that time. I know he appeared in at least 2 state title games winning one and losing the other in a 4th quarter collapse. Not sure, but he may have appeared in another state title game when Bo Barzilauskas was there. I also believe Bo was an Indiana Mr. Football. Here’s my point, After Mo left Bloomington South, South went 56-61 during the next eight seasons and went through 3 different head coaches. Eventually, Mo made his way back to Bloomington and last year (only his second year back) South went 11-2 and was ranked #1 in the state before losing to a big time private school called Cathedral. A heartbreaking loss that South led most of the game. The season before Mo arrived, I believe South won 1 game and only 2 or 3 combined the previous two years. These are examples of great coaches that make an impact wherever they go. I got to watch these coaches and teams up close. I’ve never been a coach and couldn’t coach a pop warner team, but I feel like I know what good football looks like. I don’t believe you have to be a previous coach to evaluate what is good, bad, or average play. Most of the time, the won/loss record speaks for itself. A great coach either has it or they don’t. Look how long it took Hep (with a big assist from Lynch) to get IU to a bowl game. Three years. Tomorrow, we might see one of the brightest, young coaches in college football, Jeff Brohm. Go online and read his accomplishments as a college player, longtime back-up qb in the nfl, successful stints as a college assistant and now directing one of college footballs best passing teams. Wherever that guy has been, look what he’s done. He’s a winner. Most great or really good coaches make their impact in a 2 to 3 year period. If it doesn’t happen by year five, I feel like it most likely won’t. Don’t want to ruffle anybody’s feathers, but these are just my opinions.

  51. vesuvius13- It’s Mallory….(not Mallery). My Lord….

    Wilson supporters and detractors taking big credibility hits here…Mistakenly believing we’re scheduling Division II teams…? Not knowing the spelling of one of IU’s most recognized football names…? Passionate football fans? This thread, more than anything else, depicts in utmost certainty just how out of touch and in long state of comatose the fans of IU Football…

    Clarion may be the last of a knowledgeably IU football species all but extinct. …It’s fine to have opinions regarding your “eye test” for bad football or good football. But repairing the damage of these sorts of fumbles with division level our opponent and the misspelling of “Mallory”…..? Passion? Lord…oh, Lord. I will build a great, great, wall around our passion…..

  52. Harvard, I do have some thoughts on IU Basketball, but I’m positive they won’t agree with your thoughts, so I think I’ll just spare both of us a lot of posting and mud flinging and more wasted time as my wife does all the house cleaning (currently sweeping around my feet). I will tell you that I’m a football fan first. My favorite sport growing up and played for 8 years. Never played organized basketball. Do you really have to attend every IU sport to be a true fan? Does anyone have the time and money to attend all IU sports all the time to be a true IU fan? Is it possible to be faithful to a team, but not necessarily the coach. And if not, does that make you unloyal or not true. I’ll leave that for others to make judgments on. I just show up Saturdays, eat my burger, enjoy my company and cheer for the hoosiers. You just can just call me a fan of IU football if you want. I don’t need true or loyal attached to that. I’m okay with that. I know what I am as a fan. The people closest to me know that I’m a fan. They know because they sit with me. So if you decide I’m not true or loyal, that’s okay and I don’t need those attached to football fan to get all warm and fuzzy inside. Just a note, I had season tickets to IU basketball for one year, Crean’s first year. A friend of mine sold them to me for less than face value, he just wanted to keep earning season ticket holder points and not lose his longtime season tickets. The seats were lower lever but up high, almost beneath the balcony
    Demand for season tickets was so low that year the scalpers were practically giving away tickets. We only sat in our assigned seats for game 1. There just aren’t many good seats at the hall. Too steep. After about row 30, they’re just average. For the rest of the season, we just traded down with the scalpers, giving them anywhere from 20 to 40 dollars and our tickets to sit anywhere from row 15 to 20. Twice, during pre conference games, we were able to sit on the wooden bleachers at court level. Only missed one game.
    Was probably one my most enjoyable years of IU basketball (championship seasons not included), because I got to watch the games up close and experience the atmosphere of assembly almost every week.
    The expectations weren’t so high and the basketball was pure. It was kids playing the game because they loved it and they were living their dream, playing IU basketball. That was the only season I was offered those tickets. Now, I just go to one or two games a year. I think IU attendance is pretty strong and I would rather watch the games from home than sit up in the nose bleed section. Sat up there one time and I’ll never do it again. Also, my wife has a fear of heights and doesn’t like sitting up there. Buying decent seats from scalpers or online, just too expensive. But I was there when IU fans were needed the most. By the way, I was on Hoosier Scoop last football season, just ask Clarion.

  53. xavier-

    Just a suggestion…

    Add some white space to your posts….

    Think of it as 5-yard line markers painted across a football field…..

    Hit the “enter” key a couple times as you move our eyes downfield in a running game …….

    Hit the “enter” key five times in a row and create enough white space air under your sentences to mimic a big pass play we’ll want to read on instant replay….

    First and ten…paragraph again!

  54. Nope…I concede to Podunker’s opinion…After reading #59, I believe your are a HARD, TRUE, and REAL fan….

    I would only disagree with you on one minor detail…I think Jamarcus Ellis, DeAndre Thomas, Armon Bassett, Gordon, and the rest of the Sampson teams, played the purist and most loving form of hoops. It was in the pain of hard streets and hard lives that such a love could blossom. And we ran them out of town as if our version of ‘pure’ more pure. And now we pay the ultimate price with CharlaTom’s condescension upon the game.

    You take care..

    Harvard, The Ultimate Fan

  55. The difference between most of us and Harvard is: #1, We don’t care about our grammatical errors. I make them all the time and I see them all the time. Who cares? One of my posting hazers spelt cannot as can not, I could have responded back, but didn’t. Who cares? #2. Harvard goes back and corrects his errors and then posts the correction. Good for him. It certainly doesn’t make him a better person, but if it makes him feel better, more power to him.

  56. I’ll one-up you, xavier…..My wife is sweeping peanut shells around my feet right now….She is more than nuts about me.

  57. Harvard wrote, “Add some white space to your posts….” Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, that’s the most ironic statement ever posted on The Scoop. It’s hypocrisy in its purest form. I nominate that for The Hoosier Scoop’s “Quote of The Century.” Do I hear any seconds?

    Hey Harv, how about you add some white space to your strings. Just a suggestion….

  58. Harvard, all I have to say at this point is I’m signing off for the night and your wife is an amazing women. Your lucky to have her, because I know that you have the ability to drive her batty. Good Night and Go Hoooosiers!

  59. xavier,

    Actually, it is good advice. Without the paragraphs, I really have a hard time reading your comments. Sounds like you some interesting stuff to say, but I’m usually getting the scoop via mobile and it is painful to read so much text without paragraphs. 🙂

    Hope this finds you in good spirits and have a great weekend.

  60. Xavier, ‘cannot’ would not have been appropriate in that sentence. FYI, I am a speech language pathologist. Just because a compound word with the same spelling as its component words exists does not mean it is appropriate in all instances.

    The theme here seems to be, don’t try to correct people on topics you don’t know very much about.

  61. …and for the record, I never ‘hazed’ you. I simply corrected a mistake you made…and repeated…and continued to insist was correct.

    I’d you consider that ‘hazing’ you are awfully thin skinned regarding your mistakes.

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  64. Chet, my apologies. Sometimes I really don’t know what I’m talking about. My wife would tell me more than just sometimes. And no, I really don’t think you’re a hazer. I regret that remark and take it back. In the future, I will try to keep my comments related to football only and pick my battles carefully. How embarrassing, me trying to critique pathologist. Head hanging low today. Hope the hoosiers pick me back up. Don’t take that as sarcasm, just me trying to make light of my mistakes.

  65. No harm, no foul.

    We’re all just Hoosier fans here. I rarely critique specific coaching strategies on here because, while I have a number of years of coaching under my belt, there are a number of folks on the Scoop that know way more on the topic than I do. I’ve been wrong about my assumptions and had it pointed out. I tend to read the opinions of my fellow Scoopers first and, more often than not, decide my comments were either irrelevant or poorly thought out.

    Just glad you’re here.

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