Tom Allen contract details revealed

A highly incentivized contract could reward new Indiana football coach Tom Allen with pay between $2-3 million per year.

Allen’s six-year deal, obtained Monday through an open records request filed by The Herald-Times, includes a base salary of $500,000 and annual promotional income of $1.295 million.

Meeting performance checkpoints on the field as well as in the classroom would provide Allen with further compensation.

According to the contract, which runs through Nov. 30, 2022, Allen will receive a $100,000 bonus for guiding the Hoosiers to six wins in a single season, including postseason games. For every victory beyond those six, Allen will receive an additional $100,000 per win.

The Hoosiers, who have qualified for back-to-back bowl games for the first time since 1991, have won six or more games in a year only three times since 1995.

The 47-year-old Allen, who replaced Kevin Wilson as IU’s permanent head coach on Dec. 1, 2016, is entering his first season as a college head coach.

A nominee for the 2016 Broyles Award, which honors college football’s top assistant coach, Allen can also make the equivalent of one month of base salary for winning the Big Ten Coach of the Year Award, or by winning a recognized National Coach of the Year award.

Allen would also receive a bonus equivalent to one month’s base salary if he were to guide the Hoosiers to the Big Ten Championship Game.

Starting with the upcoming school year, Allen will make an additional $125,000 if his football team posts a multi-year Academic Progress Rate (APR) score greater than or equal to 950.

Indiana also paid Allen a $25,000 signing bonus upon his hiring.

Other perks in Allen’s deal include the use of eight football season tickets, 25 tickets per game to football home games, eight men’s basketball season tickets and two passes to all other IU Athletics events.

He’ll also receive three parking passes for football games, two parking passes for men’s basketball games, as well as season credentials to football and men’s basketball contests.

Allen will also receive unlimited family use of the IU Golf Course and Driving Range, a cell phone stipend of $125 per month and an annual $10,000 allowance for orders of Adidas products.

The contract also contains provisions should Allen leave for another job or be fired without cause.

If Allen were to suddenly resign before Nov. 30, 2017, he would owe $2 million to the school. That figure drops to $1.5 million if he were to resign between Dec. 1 and Nov. 30, 2018, and to $750,000 if he were to leave between Dec. 1, 2018 and Nov. 30, 2019. From there, the figure drops to $400,000 in 2020 and $200,000 in both 2021 and 2022.

Should Indiana fire Allen, it would owe the coach his annual base salary through the expiration date of the deal. IU’s payments to Allen would be mitigated by his salary at his next job.

When Indiana hired Wilson, who was also a rookie head coach in 2010, the school provided him with $500,000 in base salary, $600,000 in annual promotional income and an additional benefit stipend of $100,000, as well as similar performance-based bonuses.

Wilson, who resigned in December, signed a six-year extension in January 2016 that increased his base salary to $542,000 and gave him $1.608 million in annual promotional income.

Allen will be one of three Big Ten coaches new to the conference in 2017.

Newly-hired Minnesota coach P.J. Fleck will reportedly make $3.5 million this season, while new Purdue coach Jeff Brohm will reportedly make $3.3 million, not counting incentives.

Michigan’s Jim Harbaugh made the most of any Big Ten coach in 2016, taking in $9 million, according to the USA Today coaching salary database.

43 comments

  1. Well, good for Tom Allen and his family. $1.795 million is a nice increase over what he was getting as IU’s Defensive Coordinator. And that money spends well in Bloomington, IN! But notwithstanding the value of the football and basketball season tickets, parking passes and the unlimited use of IU’s golf course (really?), I wonder if this deal leverages the fact that Tom Allen’s son committed to play for IU? Could Fred Glass be that cynical? Maybe I’m the one who is being cynical?

    As I suspected, this compensation package puts T.A. at the very bottom of the compensation scale of all Big Ten coaches. This compensation package reinforces the narrative about IU Football, and that is not a good thing. This compensation package pays Tom Allen less money than some AAC coaches will get paid in 2017. Maybe Allen will get lucky and go from the lowest paid coach in the Big Ten to the second lowest paid coach if his team wins eight games and his players maintain an APR above 950. WOW!

    No wonder Glass was in no hurry to volunteer this information to the media until the Herald Times’ filed the “open records request.” After Purdue and Minnesota recently announced the compensation for their new head football coaches, I wonder if Fred Glass said something to the affect of , “OH S__T! It is unlikely that Glass even realizes that this is cringe-worthy news. If Glass is not embarrassed by the disparity between Allen’s deal and the deals made at Purdue and MN, he’s not the right man to be overseeing IU’s Athletic Department. But I’m guessing Glass is patting himself on the back for negotiating such a frugal deal for IU. Who cares what the college football fraternity will say about IU football? Who cares what the other new Big Ten coaches are getting paid? Who cares if this compensation package could make Tom Allen a primary target to get poached by other FBS Schools by as early as next January? (The bar is so low, there are about 40 schools in the FBS that could easily justify paying IU’s penalties and still double Allen’s compensation. This protects Glass from any risk of being criticized for over-spending. Plus, this deal allows Glass to quickly recover the $542,000 spent on Wilson’s severance. Look no further for the reason why so many up-and-coming or re-tread head football coaches would never consider interviewing for the IU football job.

    Here’s to hoping Tom Allen disproves the old saying that “you get what you pay for.” Let’s hope that Glass, McRobbie and IU’s Trustees are forced to offer Allen a brand new contract next January. But clearly, the “pay-back” penalties notwithstanding, this compensation package will make Tom Allen highly vulnerable to getting poached if his team wins seven or eight games in each of the next two seasons. Seriously, coaching his son might not be enough to justify Tom Allen turning down a six-year deal worth $3.5 million per year. I mean, Tom Allen is a competitive man, and he’s not going to remain happy with this deal for very long if he succeeds in leading IU to its first winning season in a decade!

  2. I remember when K.W. first came to IU. He tried to bring some very intriguing assistants. One included from Boise State. Nevertheless, they all backed out on him. He ended up with Doug Mallory leading the defense.

  3. WOW!!! does this prove Pounder point??? That IU is not providing the resources to make IU football better. Are does it prove that Glass and the IU administration was just cheap in searching for a coach? I can still remember Coach Wilson fighting to upgrade the salaries of IU assistant football coaches and fighting to improve the IU football recruiting funds. Here’s to hoping that this move to Tom Allen as IU head football coach works out for Fred Glass, Tom Allen and the IU fan.

  4. First head coaching gig for Allen and he’ll likely get anywhere between 2-3 million in total compensation? And if it doesn’t work out, his already proven ability to vastly improve defenses will allow him to remain in demand and commending an upper level salary.

    Sure doesn’t appear to me as if Allen is being treated cheaply. The salary is more than fair. Both the Purdue and Minnesota hires already had success at the head coaching level….while Allen is getting his first shot at full roster/program responsibilities.

    Allen has a great opportunity to instantly propel IU Football into national headlines with a stunning upset in the season opener against OSU. The momentum captured in such a victory could be enough to make for an extremely gratifying season for IU Football.

    IU Football can be a very unfair place in assessing any coach’s job performance. The fans are naturally cynical. Many likely believe the program may never dig out of the historically deep and dark well as we eternally search for a chance to climb out for a brief taste of warm sunlight.

    The sane Vegas odds on Indiana Football always beg to put the money on tragedy. But if there is a long shot, a fairytale of sorts, maybe this is the gamble that marches with destiny in its details? How prophetic would it be if a first year head coach, a lover of pigskin who grew up in a Hoosier state forever identified in matter-of-fact fashion as the basketball center point of America, to be the “chosen one” who puts football on the map in Bloomington, Indiana? Such opportunities to be that sort of godlike hero would hardy seem to define men intensely motivated by mere dollars. To take Indiana out of the timeless script of dull and predictable tragedy is either a gift of opportunity for a winner like no other(Allen?)….or the usual camouflage offering cover to all lesser men who will be allowed the dismal history to excuse the darkness of internalized defeatism before signing on the dotted line of any contract.

  5. Some additional thoughts on the “news” of Allen’s contract:
    1. Why did Glass not release details of Allen’s contract until after the HT filed the request?
    2. Why did Purdue and Minnesota release the details of their new coaches’ contracts so soon after the deals were completed? Could it be that Purdue and MN understand that the information about their new coaches’ contracts could be used to promote their their football programs, realizing that it would compliment the positive narrative about their football programs? On the other hand, is it likely that Glass wanted to delay the news about Allen’s contract for fear that it would reinforce the negative narrative that has existed for so long about IU football? Is it a coincidence that the news of Allen’s deal was released during the time of the year when college sports news is at its lowest ebb?
    3. If as some people on this site continue to say, “money is no issue,” or “the money will be available when Glass finds the right coach” (paraphrasing), then why did Glass give Allen a relatively paltry compensation package? Is Glass hedging his bet on Allen? Either Allen is worthy of the job, or he’s not! And if he is worthy, why didn’t Glass put his money where his mouth was? Could it be that there simply is no more money in IU’s Athletic Department budget to pay a football coach? Or is Glass just a shrewd opportunist that realized he could save some cash by hiring Allen and is now hoping for the best?
    4. What statement does Allen’s contract make to the fraternity of college football coaches, the college football media, the recruits, the people who influence recruits, etc? Does it help IU build a more competitive football program, does it hinder its progress, or will Allen’s contract have no impact on the success of IU Football?
    5. As a loyal IU sports fan, are you pleased by the terms of Allen’s contract, disappointed by them, or are you one of those who could care less one way or the other?
    6. This reminds me of the deal they gave Bill Lynch when they chose to give him a multi-year contract the season after Hep died. Hopefully, Allen will prove to be a much better Big Ten head football coach than Lynch was.
    7. I’ll bet you dimes to dollars that if Allen leads IU to a winning season in 2017, Glass will come up with some justification for not immediately improving Allen’s compensation. From Glass’s perspective, he’s already built in the financial incentives with bonus clauses, so why would he need to offer a better deal?
    8. This deal confirms my opinion of Glass as a shrewd, risk-averse MANAGER of IU’s Athletic Department who views his primary responsibility as safeguarding his department’s precious budget.

  6. Podunker, you have done a poor job of actually discussing Allen’s compensation in comparison to the deals at Purdue and MN. Compare apples to apples: base pay; promotional pay; fringe benefits; bonus pay and ease of reaching the milestones; etc. When you break it down, the dollars versus the ease of taking a highly attractive promotional hire may be equal. However, that is not good for the IU football program, unless young Tom totally loves IU and his teammates, which is totally possible given his efforts to recruit his class at IU. Let’s be patient and see what happens. AD Glass acted quickly and that was important. The program is in great shape, much better than under Wilson. I am excited! If Allen wins 7 plus a bowl, I have no doubt that Allen will be offered a much better base salary, with much tougher buy-out provisions, and Allen will have HIS choice!

  7. Yes, Podunker is right. Glass should definitely have paid Allen 5x more so he didn’t give out the perception that he’s cheap. You could assign a hurricane name to the size of my yawn.

    Coach Allen signed that contract with an agent at hand. Glass didn’t meet with Allen, throw him some bread crumbs and dismissively say, “Take it or leave it, bud.” Allen was considered one of the top assistants in all of football last year. He easily could have walked, taken a higher profile assistant position, then probably moved on to a more stable head coaching gig somewhere else down the line. Perhaps Allen and his agent, realizing he was not quite an established head coaching prospect yet, felt that his value was measured and negotiated appropriately.

    Let’s play “You Get to be the AD.” The start of the game: you fire Kevin Wilson. Now, what do you do to replace him. Go.

  8. BeatPurdue, what part of the difference between $3.3 million and $1.795 million don’t you understand? Base pay is almost irrelevant. It comes into play if the coach gets fired without cause, because that’s the amount (of annual severance) the University is on the hook for. The detailed information about the compensation packages given to the new Purdue and Minnesota football coaches was not readily available to me. But the summaries of the compensation packages that Purdue and Minnesota gave their new head coaches tells you all you need to know. It’s pretty clear from the summaries published in the media that both the Purdue and Minnesota coaches are going to make a lot more money than Allen, like about 84% more per year! We’re talking $3.3 and $3.4 million per year compared to $1.795 million per year. That’s a difference of over $7.5 million over five years. Yes, Allen can make hundreds of thousands more per year if his team wins nine games in a season, or if he achieves some equally unrealistic goals (i.e., if IU plays in the Big Ten Championship, etc.). It’s the total value of the package that matters, and the total value of Allen’s package is not even close to being competitive for Big Ten football coaches. And what’s just as bad is that it put’s IU’s head coach right back at the bottom of the Big Ten for football coaching compensation. People notice those facts. People talk about such facts, and that’s how reputations are established. No wonder P.J. Fleck would not even consider interviewing for the IU job.

    DD, your exaggerated response is weak. Of course Allen is going to sign the deal. It was, in relative terms, a huge pay increase for Tom Allen and his family. There’s no way he was going to pass up the opportunity to become a Big Ten head coach. I’m happy for Tom Allen. But that’s NOT THE POINT! The deal given to Allen supports the narrative about IU Football, and that narrative is negative. That narrative does not enhance IU’s image for the sport of football. That narrative does not inspire IU fans to show up to Memorial Stadium in great numbers. And what’s worse, is that if Tom Allen is really successful at IU, it significantly increases the likelihood that another school will make him an offer he can’t refuse. If IU wins eight games in 2017 and then wins nine games in 2018, Tom Allen’s agent will be fielding offers involving compensation packages that would easily double Allen’s income from IU. You think Allen is going to reject offers that would pay him (by then) $4 million per year for five years? Don’t be naive. Do you think Glass is going to try to match those offers? Give me a break. The deal IU gave Allen simply perpetuates the narrative about IU Football and will make it more difficult for future Athletic Directors to elevate IU Football into the upper half of Big Ten programs.

    1. My last response is just an acknowledgement that it is impossible to have a discussion with you. I’m not the only one who’s noticed.

      Enjoy.

  9. For those demanding more details in comparing Allen’s package to other college coaches, here are some I find interesting:

    Allen’s base plus the “annual promotional income” totals $1.795 million per year ($500,000 plus $1,295,000.

    If IU wins 6 games a year, Allen gets a $100,000 bonus. For each additional win (including bowl games), he get’s another $100,000 bonus. So if IU wins eight games in 2017, Allen will make $2,095,000, ………and he’d still be the lowest paid coach in the Big Ten! Think about that.

    According to USA Today’s November 2016 Report on FBS Football Head Coaching compensation, there were 58 FBS schools in 2016 that paid their head football coaches more than $2.1 million (total compensation without bonuses) per year. Given the escalation of football coaching salaries, it’s fair to assume that in 2017 there will be over 60 FBS schools that pay there coaches more than Tom Allen would make if he were to lead IU to an eight-win season. In 2016, there were 29 schools who paid their head football coaches more than $3.6 million per year (total compensation).

    IF IU wins eight games in 2017 or 2018, what is the likelihood that a few of those schools would be willing to pay IU’s early-departure penalty and still double Allen’s compensation package? This contract may have been good for Tom Allen, but it could turn out to be a terrible one for IU’s Football program.

  10. Beat Purdue wrote: “The program is in great shape, much better than under Wilson.” Huh? The program is better (much) than when Wilson got it, but given that we don’t even have a single recruiting class or play from scrimmage by which to judge TA, how do you figure that got “much better” in the couple of months since KW left? (The rest of your post makes a lot of sense.)

    Podunker wrote: “The deal given to Allen supports the narrative about IU Football, and that narrative is negative. That narrative does not enhance IU’s image for the sport of football. That narrative does not inspire IU fans to show up to Memorial Stadium in great numbers.” So fans would be flocking to Memorial Stadium had Glass given Allen a fatter contract? “Holy macaroni, Martha, did you see that the new IU coach is gonna get three million bucks a year? Where’s the credit card? Gotta buy our tickets for the Georgia Southern game before it’s too late!”

    Anyone know how Hep’s contract stacked up against the college football universe when he was hired? Probably a lot like Allen’s, I imagine.

    1. Davis, Indeed KW’s impact is deep, positive, was profoundly overdue and mirrored closely the change AD Glass envisioned when he hired him. The future of IUFB does bear a reasonable amount of debt to him. It was a job most, with a few holding some successes, were not up to accomplishing to the extent KW did. Even in the end Mallory was unable to make the changes KW did. Hep is a jump ball. I saw some good things going on but question whether the culture was changing as thoroughly as the Wilson brand made it change. The story of him personally buying all the T-shirts printed with “We Won the Tailgate” during his 2nd and 3rd seasons says it all.

  11. I did enjoy these details….

    Other perks in Allen’s deal include the use of eight football season tickets, 25 tickets per game to football home games, eight men’s basketball season tickets and two passes to the most incredible waste processing plant in the nation: The “It’s a Process Septic System” underneath McCracken used to process 30 million Washington’s flushed courtesy of the Anal Hoops God.

  12. Knight should be buried at the 50 yard line of Memorial….Massive butt facing up meets all the butts that never show up.

  13. Davis, I think that the IU football program is “much better” under Allen than under Wilson for the following reasons: 1) under Wilson HS football coaches within the state of IN were not involved and excited about the IU program, under Allen they are. Allen has a significant history within the state and many meaningful personal relationships, which Wilson did not; 2) Wilson enjoyed being a “jerk”, Allen enjoys being a warm, outgoing, approachable family guy; 3) under Wilson some players felt ignored and unwanted as they battled injuries, under Allen all players feel “loved”, it is his mantra; 4) the offensive coordinator is a top flight, experienced guy with a great reputation and contacts, until Allen, Wilson could not find a top defensive coordinator; 5) I saw no drop off at all in game preparation in the one Bowl game, unfortunately, I did not see a significant improvement either, but Allen did not have much time nor his own people on the staff; 6) the vibe is positive and upbeat now. All of that makes it “much better”!

  14. BeatPurdue, Allen may have more meaningful relationships with the HS coaches in the state of IN, but that does not mean the IU football program is in much better shape….An you are telling me that all players are going to feel “loved” by Tom Allen, and nobody is going to feel ignored?? please wait tell the first player that thinks they should be on the first team and that player is placed on the second or third team (all the love in the world will not cure that illness)…..top flight Offensive coordinator, Mike Debord is a good offensive coordinator….if he was top flight why hasn’t he been a head coach?? As far as finding a top notch defensive coordinator, some say that Kevin Wilson was forced to take Mallory, but in really it might have had something to do with is assistant coaches salaries at that time……Now i will give that the vibe around the IU program at the moment is better. But it is preseason and the current coaching staff has not played a football game….Here’s to wishing the current staff the best of luck. Go Hoosier!!

  15. Allen has something to prove. Big time. And the uphill battle just went vertical for Indiana to get through the conference season. The Big Ten East is rising in a big way. Wilson had a shot to get Indiana over the hump with a Michigan and Penn St program that was down. He failed to do that. Now these programs are both Big Ten/National Elite and rising. Also, we replace Nebraska with Wisconsin. Wisconsin is a tougher team this year than Nebraska was last year.

    Allen isn’t just talking. He seems to have this deep belief that is very similar to the way that Coach Hep had. He is a leader of men. Wilson was an old school dude, with a technician’s vision for the game. He instilled toughness, because he himself was a tough guy. But Allen is tough and also instills togetherness. Notice how little this offseason is about what scheme they’re going to run. That’s almost entirely what the previous regime was about in the offseason. Allen took the same pieces on defense last year and made failures into leaders and believers. The results on the field spoke for themselves.

    We’ll see how well this translates to the entire team. But they better be ready. The Big Ten schedule isn’t going to provide any relief.

  16. Ugh, forgive the sin in that syntax. Typing on a phone on the way to the airport requires an editor.

  17. With respect to latitude, the Hoosiers are the most southern team in the Big Ten. A line of latitude passing through Indy really should have been the most southern point cut-off. The BIG is the grit of the Midwest. It feeds from cities of hardened men and working class towns. It’s snow shovel meets sub-zero temps….It’s steel meets the factory floor of auto plants. It’s our wide northern rivers meets shipping routes through our Great Lakes. It’s where men’s hands got dirty and souls got nasty.

    Bloomington? It’s the land of Scooby-Doo. It’s fun and flower power. Hippies still wander about Kirkwood as if the late’ 60s and early ’70s are still the frozen hour. It’s where rich lawyer sends his rich son. It’s where a rock star can buy his boys a jury and walk-on roster spot. It’s not steel and Spartans. It’s not farmers rising with the sun or butchers donning the bloody apron of stockyards. It’s not the grit of big shoulders holding up big families on the midnight shifts that run the gears of America. Football in Bloomington may be labeled a ‘Rock’ but it is puffy and fluffy as the dollops of whipped cream on your summer strawberry shortcake.

    The Big Ten should drop us off like a tick from lower branches where we can land on the SEC? It’s time we get kicked around by bourbon barrels and bad teeth….and all things manly as a Trump Belt.

    Fred is not cheap. Talk is cheap…and it’s all this southern hanging turd known as IU Football has ever done.

  18. We’ll know in late November if IU is “better off” under Allen than it was under Wilson. Until then, it’s just speculation. On paper, I think Allen has done a good job replacing the offensive coaching staff. Obviously, the defense should be even better in 2017 than it was last season. To me, it boils down to the quarterback position. If IU’s QB has improved accuracy and significantly reduces INTs, IU should produce a winning season. If not, we won’t. The real key for the future is Allen and staff’s ability to recruit better talent and improve depth. I like that several coaches have so much SEC experience and established so many relationship in that hotbed of football talent. That could be huge for IU’s future.

  19. So davis, which college football fan base is most likely to be inspired to buy more football tickets and attend games this season; MN, Purdue or IU? It’s not the coach’s compensation that attracts the fans, it’s the coach who with proven track record whose track record inspires confidence and creates excitement throughout the school’s fan base. Call it creating the “buzz.” It’s the coach that produces positive news about recruiting by getting highly rated players to verbally commit to their programs. It’s the same reason that a company’s stock will sore upon the news that a new, previously successful CEO has been hired to lead the company. Instead of a mix of indifference, cautious optimism and outright skepticism, which I believe defines the collective mood of the Hoosier Nation, the right leader inspires fans, creates hope and allows the excitement to build. Tom Allen may get The Hoosier Nation to that point, and I hope sooner than later, but I’ll bet most Hoosier fans are taking a “wait-and-see” attitude. What reason have they been given to believe otherwise?

    Ironically, I read somewhere that one of the reasons given to justify IU firing Crean was that he had “lost” IU’s fan base. When people lose confidence in their leader, morale suffers, and in sports, ticket sales decline, donations dry up, people are unhappy, and a negative cloud hangs over the program. It’s a downward spiral. So the opposite of that occurs when a group of people believes that the new leader is going to turn things around. They get excited and their confidence improves. Are the majority of Hoosier fans excited and confident that Tom Allen is going to turn things around (i.e., produce a winning season)?, or are they at best willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and remain poised in the “wait-and-see” category? That’s why it is essential that Tom Allen lead IU to a winning season in 2017. And when he does, it is essential that Fred Glass give him a new, better contract that keeps him at IU for many years.

  20. “[W]hich college football fan base is most likely to be inspired to buy more football tickets and attend games this season; MN, Purdue or IU?” PO, rIght now I’d say the answer is IU. I, and it seems many others, are very optimistic about Allen as the new coach. IUFB fans probably have a much better idea of what Allen is about than PU and Minnesota fans know about their new guys. Allen getting paid another million dollars or so wouldn’t change my degree of optimism about Allen and the program. If your “inspiration level” about IUFB was, say, level 5 before the TA contract was published, what is it now? Level 3? If Allen’s contract was for three million dollars/year, would your inspiration jump to level 6? Level 7? I’m not saying that HC pay doesn’t matter, but gloom and doom on campus ’cause TA is not making what PU and Minn are paying? You make a lot of good comments on this site, but I think your focus is too narrow here. The same “wait and see” attitude would be the prevailing sentiment around IUFB had they hired just about anybody except other than a Saban or a Belichick. I can’t believe that there are not plenty of “wait-and-see-ers” in W. Laffayette and the Twin Cities right now, too. Of course it matters that IUFB does well in 2017, otherwise the gains made under KW are in serious trouble. Duh.

    Harvard: College Park, Md. = 38 degrees 49′ 58″ N
    Bloomington, Ind. = 39 degrees 09′ 44″ N

    You’re living in the past.

    1. Good find, davis. I still haven’t formerly recognized the ‘Twerps’ as part of the Big Ten. And what’s a Scarlet Knight? Is that when Bobby could no longer recognize crimson?
      I’m not sure if a football recognizes Maryland or Rutgers as anymore deserving of placement in the Big Ten conference than the Indiana Strawberry Shortcakes.

      Maryland and Rutgers respectively over last two seasons: 1-7, 3-6, 1-7, 0-9. Their teeth are kicked in to such a “degree” that we should allow them free IU Dental School treatments when visiting the third banged around stooge of the Big Ten. Bloomington does build bridges!

      Watering down the Big Ten with those two powerhouses of the East Coast certainly explains how we now get to two or three conference wins above our normal football history in the Edgar Allan Poe-dunker rec room.

      Oh, heck….Maybe I should give them all some latitude.

      1. If only IU football could find a QB who could live in the ‘Past.’

        Cali boy…That one was for you, Double Downy.

        1. Outside of free lodging, reasonable food expenses, and transportation, an IU football coach should be paid $1.99 per game. It should be considered an exercise in character building. It’s sort of a place any innocent man will be found guilty of his inability to get lightning out of a double A battery.
          The crime is always taking the job. The escape from Bloomington usually looks like this….

  21. IU 79, you agree that Allen has better relationships with IN HS coaches than Wilson. You totally ignore the issue of Wilson’s lack of concern about some players injuries. You equate “love” to putting someone on the first team. You agree that Debord is a quality offensive coordinator and then demean him for not being a former head coach, as if that wish is a given. What is wrong with being a good O Coordinator? Anyone who starts his thought with “some say” just acknowledged that he has nothing to say. The vibe now for IU football is good! Tom Allen is good for this program! Glass hired him! But we all know that you have to “win baby, just win”!

  22. Mike DeBord was the head football coach at Central Michigan from 2000 to 2003. He had head coaching experience before returning to the position of O-Coordinator at Michigan.

    davis, I sincerely hope you’re right, but I don’t think enough Hoosier fans know enough about Allen to eliminate the “we’ll wait and see” mentality that is used to justify not buying football tickets or attending games. Too many Hoosier fans have seen this cycle before, and it has not done anything to improve results or elevate their level of enthusiasm. The active commenters on this site, like you and me, are probably far more interested and informed about IU sports, and especially IU Football, than the typical Hoosier alumni, student or fan living within driving distance to B-town. And I have not seen any information about Allen that is likely to penetrate or overcome the malaise that so many Hoosier fans possess in regard to our football program. Don’t get me wrong, if IU beats OSU in the first game, thousands and thousands of people will jump on the bandwagon, but that is not likely to happen. And assuming it does not, IU will need to win five or six games in the first half of the season to begin to get those skeptical fans motivated enough to attend an IU home game.

    I expect IU’s game against OSU to be sold out, but I expect about 20,000 of those seats will be occupied by Buckeye fans. But hey, having Memorial Stadium full will look good on T.V.!

  23. With the way Clemson manhandled OSU, I’m wondering if Buckeyes merely dominate in a league of weakness? And nothing like being OSU’s first taste of redemption after they were deemed only fit for cleaning up in Pee-wee Herman’s Big Ten Adventure.

    I’m thinking Buckeyes are going to apply it to Hoosiers like Predator using squirrel guts for a quick application of rouge.

    1. OSU won the National Championship 3 years ago beating Alabama and Oregon. The year prior, they utterly destroyed Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl. They got blown out last year in the CFP. Bad games happen.

      That’s the transitive fallacy. If team A bests B in one randomized game, and B bests C in another randomized game, can one conclude that A is better than C? No.

      It’s funny, last year during the season, Clemson struggled against some pretty mediocre teams. They beat NC State in overtime, only when NC State’s kicker choked away a 33 yd field goal in regulation to win the game. The lost at home to lowly Pitt. But they managed to sneak into the CFP and kicked it into high gear to bring home the National Championship.

      Transitive properties don’t really work in reality.

      1. I also recall how lowly the Bucks were thought of against the thugs of the U in 2001. They beat up the criminals pretty good heading towards the OT finish. As usual teams who want it the most play the hardest to win.

      2. You just made my knees buckle with your Double Downy fresh brilliance.

        The fact remains, OSU was embarrassed. Transitive property? Clemson stole their property….and burned their homes …and did something to their eye sockets that sounds like ‘Buckeye’…..and stamped two halves of Buckeye zeros on their foreheads to replace the two O’s in Ohio. Speaking of two O’s, I’ve seen mosquitoes hold better ground against a bug zapper.
        It wasn’t a good stage for OSU to have their big lights randomized moment of zapping out.
        Point A…Point B…? Seriously? Life is series of any given events on any given night. The only truth in any moment is the absolute absence of any guarantee you’ll get that moment again.
        OSU has some general property to reclaim. Wilson has some personal property to reclaim. Beating us 100-10 may not reclaim Point C(Team C), but it’s safe to say there is a taste in the mouth that they want to give back to the first place they can spit….(And they’re getting that first opportunity against a program that is sort of the designated ‘bowl’ receptacle for decades of bad taste in football).

  24. PO- I just think that there’s a “wait and see” mentality prevailing with most new hires as head coaches. Sometimes there’s not even that; I seem to recall that a “Fire Ron Zook” website went up within days of his being hired at Fla. Of course, the opposite can be true- a favorite son gets hired and all doubts go out the window. (I’m not sure how Harbaugh’s hire was received in Mich., but I can imagine a lot of IUBB fans crapping all over themselves if Steve Alford got hired.) I think Glass’ pay offer to Allen was “wait and see.” What I think will be more telling about Glass and the IUADept. is what kind of $$$ they will be willing to come up with if (IF) Allen pulls off 14 or 15 wins in the next couple of seasons. If that doesn’t get Allen a big raise, then all your grousing about cheap-o Glass and IU will be justified.

  25. It will be interesting to review IU’s 2017 home-game attendance relative to previous years, and then to compare those numbers to Purdue and Minnesota’s change in attendance. But I think MN’s attendance has been strong since that beautiful new stadium was completed (and let’s be honest, it’s easier to fill a stadium when it’s in the middle of a state’s largest metropolitan area than it is to fill it in the town the size of Bloomington, IN.) Of course, I think IU’s schedule this year is more conducive to increasing home-game attendance. Not too many people got excited about watching IU play Indiana State or Southern Illinois (especially when they barely won those games), but opening the season at home with OSU should fill Memorial Stadium. The real test will be the home games against FIU and Georgia Southern. If IU is 1 – 1 going into the FIU game and 40,000 or fewer people show up for those home games, it will be a strong indication that the collective enthusiasm of Hoosier fans for IU Football has not improved to any tangible degree.

    davis, I agree with your “if then” statement in your last post. But if Allen pulls out a winning season in 2017, he should get a brand new contract immediately, as in January of 2018 (before LOIs are signed in early February). But somehow, having closely observed Glass for a while now (and having spoken with him a few times), I don’t believe he will do that. If that optimistic scenario develops, I’m betting Glass will come up with some lame justification to delay giving Allen a new contract. And that could prove to be very costly to IU Football, because if Allen leads IU to back-to-back winning seasons, a number of schools with major football programs will pursue Allen with much more lucrative contracts. By then, those types of schools won’t hesitate to offer Allen $4 million a year for five or six years to a coach who has proven he can turn a losing program into a winner. And none of those schools will be the least bit intimidated by the “early departure penalty” clause ($1.5 million in January 2019) in Allen’s contract. There’s just too much evidence of Glass and IU being cheap when it comes to football for me to believe Glass will be proactive and spend the money to secure the services of a head football coach who has proven he can build a winner. If yo’ve been observing how Glass handles situation when top IU assistant coaches get offers, Glass is always reactive and tires to match the competitive offer. And that’s just a BS CYA tactic that has never been effective. I’d like to believe otherwise, but Glass has not given me any reason to do so. But it is certainly the type of problem I hope Glass has to deal with within the next two seasons.

  26. I try not to post rumors on this site, but I heard information yesterday that I found interesting. I have a friend who is a HUGE (i.e., big money) booster for Arizona. He told me that after this season (or perhaps before the 2017 season ends) Chip Kelly will be named Arizona’s head football coach. He said, “it’s a done deal.” I was skeptical and thought he was just passing on rumors based on wishful thinking, but my friend told me that he was part of a small group that met with Kelly and AZ’s Administration and that “Arizona is going all in” to get Kelly before another schools beats them to it.

    My friend said that given the large financial investment Arizona has recently made to upgrade their football facilities (sounds familiar) and expand recruiting, the administration is under enormous pressure to improve the football program’s performance, maximize home-game attendance and booster donations, and the “big boosters” are not happy with the results Rich Rod has achieved. They want to secure the services of a proven winner before who can turn things around in a hurry before another school hires him. Still seems unlikely and BS to me, but if it turns out to be true, what a contrast it would represent compared to the way IU “manages” its football program.

  27. PO- the Arizona scenario described sounds reliable to me. Especially about the big donors who give a toot about the football program. Would that IU’s big donors be squawking about the results of the football program, but they care about other things. If Glass had the moneyed set breathing down his neck about IUFB, he’d probably be acting more in line with how you want him to act than how he does act. My opinion is that IUFB could win 45 games in the next six years and in the 2023 season the average attendance in Memorial Stadium would not top 40,000. Last year NU was 9-3 and drew less than IU from an metro area of 8 millions if you count the Region.

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