4 Hoosiers earn All-Big Ten honorable mention recognition

A few more Hoosiers picked up All-Big Ten honors on Wednesday.

Indiana fifth-year senior guard Wes Martin, senior right tackle Brandon Knight, redshirt junior receiver Donavan Hale and true freshman running back Stevie Scott each received honorable mention All-Big Ten recognition from the league’s coaches, the conference announced. The media also selected Martin, Knight and Scott as honorable mention recipients.

In total, eight Hoosiers collected all-league honors, including redshirt junior kicker Logan Justus who landed on the All-Big Ten Second team. Fifth-year senior return specialist J-Shun Harris , senior safety Jonathan Crawford and redshirt sophomore hybrid safety Marcelino Ball were all recognized with honorable mention selections on Tuesday.

Senior defensive tackle Jacob Robinson was named the team’s Big Ten Sportsmanship Award winner.

Martin started all 12 games at left guard this season and 37 straight to close out his career. He became the fourth Hoosier to appear in 50 games. Knight started all 12 at right tackle in 2018, started 26 overall and played in 41 total in his career.

Hale finished the season with 42 catches for 508 yards and six scores. Scott became the 19th Hoosier to reach 1,000 yards in a single season and finished 14th overall with 1,137 yards. He finished second in the conference in carries (228), fourth in yardage and tied for fourth in total touchdowns (10) and rushing touchdowns (nine).


  1. Brohm hits jackpot at Purdue. IU…crickets. Purdue football moving forward. IU football running in place trying not to fall backwards and fall down. Will IU football beat Purdue one time in next 5 years? Ne͏x͏t decade?

  2. I want to see if coach Allen makes any offensive changes this off-season. Personally I think DeBord should care enough about Allen’s job here that he retires. I know coach Allen was frustrated by the offense and expected far more from them. Does that lead to a change in OC I don’t know. Based on fan disfavor and the fact the offense had two virtually identical seasons even coach Allen understands a change is needed. If he hires a dynamic OC that has had success at a previous school then IU could regain the momentum. If coach doesn’t make the change he will face an almost impossible job turning IU around.

    1. V13,
      I know that DeBord may wind up being the sacrifice to appease the masses, but I still be the real problem with the season was not the OC, but rather the lack of a legitimate B1G QB at the controls. No one wants to address the reality of the night and day difference in the offense and the plays called when the change was made in the 1st half of the PSU game. Same OC, much different looking O. Until I know the decision process which left the IU offense in the hands of a D3 caliber QB, it is very hard to assess the situation.

      It defies all logic to blame the OC for the QBs lack of a strong arm unless he made the decision to use him. You know better than anyone from you coaching experience how badly your hands are tied when you have significant QB limitations. We saw it last year with a strong armed QB who couldn’t get out of the way of the rush due to a weak OL and his own slow footedness. Now you have a QB who is basically a glorified extra RB who can throw short passes and is easily defended.

      1. I have said repeatedly this year the biggest problem is Ramsey and pointed out in a post that Penix threw many more deep passes against PSU and forced their defense to back off the line of scrimmage. The concern I have about DeBord is his lack of use of variety in his play calling. Early on I was hopeful with his used of jet sweep to influence defenses to help the running game. Also his use of different plays to stay with OSU for a half. The problem is he stopped using those things and didn’t have other options to hurt the defense. I hope if DeBord comes back Penix is ready to go and starts as it would make it easier for DeBord to call plays. I watch his UM teams and his use of screens to RBs and TEs and the way he mixed up plays and wonder where that was with this offense. I hate the RPO and wish he would eliminate it because it takes a lot of practice time while likely only creating an 8 to 10 yard pass play. Spend more time on screens that help against hard pass rushes and running special plays preparing for the opponent.

        1. V13,
          That’s the point I am driving at, how much of this was the OC and how much was the QB limitations? I am not as familiar with DeBord’s work at UM as much as I am at UT. Didn’t see nearly as much toned down attack as I’ve seen at IU. In his UT work, the level of talent he had is not a valid argument as his offenses performed well against extremely talented defenses.

          I think it boils down to the skill sets of the players he has, and in IU’s case the QB position in particular. Let’s remember this, none of the starting QBs he as had to work with in these two seasons did he recruit. Penix is the exception, someone he recruited hard at UT, and due to the FSU fiasco was fortunate to bring to IU. I keep harping on the 1st half of the PSU game because it is so illuminating to the conversation. Anyone who cannot see the night and day difference in the DeBord offense with Penix at the controls is indeed functionally football illiterate.

          This is why I question the criticism of the OC, same OC different QBs, much different offense. The obvious answer is PR’s skill sets severely limited what DeBord could do. Might get away with certain calls for a few plays, but the defenses would quickly adjust to the limitations. This would also explain the lack of adjustments by the OC. What are you going to adjust to with the severe QB limitations?

          There is really only one question about this season because everything else really hinges on the QB decision. Who made it and why? You risked your entire season with a lesser QB, what was the reason?

          1. Anyone who is responding on this site is functionally literate- we can read, we can write. And since we are writing about football, no one on the site is ‘football illiterate’- ‘nough said. Good OC’s utilize the talent they have. DeBord chose his qb. He chose a guy he didn’t trust to throw more than 10 yds down field. His offense didn’t work. I’m sure he’d succeed more with better talent, but that doesn’t mean he is a good OC or suited for IU.

          2. 321 & CH,
            You’re both dancing around the obvious and should know better with your backwards logic. There is only one question that matters, who made the decision to go with PR over MP? If DeBord made that decision, he needs to go. If he did not, then why did TA go with PR over MP? It is just that simple, to look at it any other way is to the deny the reality of the 1st half of the PSU game.

            As for the straw man argument of the OC has to make do with the talent inherited, not if they don’t fit the offense you’re running. I don’t think anyone would consider Nick Saban any slouch of a coach, but it took him 5 years to bring MSU above mediocrity. Remember, the folks up there had a much better football tradition than IU could ever dream. There’s plenty of examples of good coaching missing vital ingredients to success, it takes time.

          3. There is only one question that matters, who made the decision to go with PR over MP? If DeBord made that decision, he needs to go. If he did not, then why did TA go with PR over MP?

            Because MP was a cello bow and it was felt limiting his play was probably best until he physically matured and put on some muscle mass. But as stagnancy in the offense mounted, the staff(likely Allen) succumbed to pressures and put him out against their previous best wishes.

          4. H4H,
            You know I’m going to disagree with you on MP’s capabilities, too many excellent QB’s out there who do not fit your profile.

            As for HC, the joke is on you. I didn’t firm up my thinking in this matter until you made your report from your observations as the PSU game. If as ardent a PR supporter as you were could come away raving about MP’s capabilities, then there was no doubt the transformation in the O with MP at the controls was unmistakable. Couple this with your complaining that MP should have already been in, and it was settled. You can deny or try to dance around this if you want, but I think H4H, Po, and several others would take great delight in pulling up your comments for review.

          5. You know I’m going to disagree with you on MP’s capabilities, too many excellent QB’s out there who do not fit your profile.

            After returning to the thread where this great shot of Penix was provide by Chris Howell (longtime HT stellar photographer), I’m more convinced than ever regarding my thoughts on Penix not having the needed mass and muscle to endure a season in the BigTen.

            I’m known for some pretty silly doctored images….but there is no need here. The pose depicts Penix looking thinner than most h.s. freshman playing the position. It was an elevated danger to him to have him out there. If you take an honest approach to the photo, it’s really not debatable. Sorry, man…I would have hated to see him have to take a really brutal hit. He had absolutely nothing on his body to absorb contact…And then your adding to that frail frame a necessity to play in the frigid temps of our conference?

          6. Of course I stated MP had more arm and should have played more and should have been transitioned to starter. I said absolutely nothing about that making DeBord an even average OC. On the contrary his not initiating the starting QB transition proves exactly how piss poor he is at his job. His offense may be passable with higher level talent but he is a train wreck for this timeline at IU. 2 wasted years, 4-14 B1G.

          7. Okay H4H,
            Let’s assume you are correct for a moment with MP not being physically ready to play. What did that leave you with in the QB room? Two highly talented freshmen, one more of an athlete at the college level and the other a highly skilled but not yet beefed up enough for B1G play. You have a grad transfer he had moderate success in the Pac 12 who for some reason went off the rails (I’m still wondering about why that happened), and a D3 QB. Yet some, (primarily HC) are ready to make the OC the scapegoat for poor recruiting prior to the TA regime. Sometimes you can make do with what you inherit and sometimes you can’t. Especially if it is a major departure from the prior offensive strategy. Normally takes about 3-4 years to get all the new pieces in place.

            In the first year the program inherits a JUCO transfer who really was terribly unsuited for a dual option QB offense. For the second year the program tries to recruit as good a QB as they can, but let’s face it, that’s a challenge because after all, “It’s Indiana!” So if we all want to be honest, not too many coaches can make much out of a D3 QB, especially when you have IU level (Remember, It’s Indiana!) FB talent, and that is the story of the last two seasons. We’ve talked this subject to death and quite frankly, it bores me a this point.

            Suffice it to say the 2019 season will be no different that 17 or 18, it will rise or fall on the QB play. If MP (or they luck up and get another QB from somewhere) can recover in the off season and beef up to your specifications, then might have a chance for a nice season. If not, then the decision will be either stay the course or, start the process all over once again.

          8. I pretty much agree with all of that….See, it wasn’t so hard.

            There has really only been one coach who I thought was a disgrace to Indiana. None of the football coaches I’ve witnessed are in that category.
            We are all armchair quarterbacks playing out our fantasies to make decisions with really very limited knowledge of the inner workings, personalities, qualifications, work ethic, love for the job…and emotional investment those we target as our next blame game.
            I suggested Allen should be replaced….but then I retract not knowing if that is truly best.
            It does seem like most this season hinged on the availability of a high quality quarterback to bring added dynamics to an offense sputtering and not utilizing available talent.
            I’m not in locker rooms. I’m not at practices. I’m not paid to make the big decisions. I’m just an irrelevant blogger on Scoop wondering why we can’t do better. But then there is the mirror…Can’t we all do better?

    2. Don’t be foolish! IU cannot make any staff changes until after this class of 2019 signs their NLOI! Then publicly talk about staff changes, but only then!

  3. Glad to see Jeff Brohm stay at Purdue. Looks like Purdue made a great selection in Jeff Brohm hope everything works out for Jeff and the Purdue program. In my opinion Purdue will be competing for a Big Ten West divisional title in 2-3 years. Especially with the 2019 recruiting class they have commit (provide they sign all of them). Can Indiana keep up with Purdue now?? Everything Tom Allen does concerning the Indiana football program will be compared to Jeff Brohm and Purdue, since they both where hired around the same time. An considering that prior to Tom Allen and Jeff Brohm arrival, Indiana (not matter how small or large the victory margin) had beaten Purdue for four years in a roll and basically had out recruited Purdue for 4-5 years in a roll. You can spin this any way you want too (poor recruiting by Kevin Wilson (which i doubt), lack of depth, young players, etc). The bottom line is Tom Allen and the Indiana football program has taken a step backward. The only BIG TEN programs Indiana has the upper hand on is Rutgers and maybe Illinois and Maryland. Next year (3-4 years) under Tom Allen and Mike Debord (I do not believe Allen will make any changes on his coaching staff) will advise to Indiana fans how devoted the current administration is to building a winning football program.

  4. Coach Allen and the I U Football program needs to really step up, Rutgers isn’t going to remain the bottom feeder in the East Division, the school has prior a success in the past. One of the past hires that Purdue made with a Western Ky University coaching experience, and stayed at Purdue for 25 years was Gene Keady. The Purdue administration knew it had to retain Brohm, or start over with its football program. Purdue Football will have to compete with Nebraska Football in the next two years. that division will become stronger in the next two years. I guess I U Football will stay in the fifth to seventh slot in the Eastern Division Football Standings, without some major moves. As the old expression states. “If you aren’t moving up, you are standing still”.

  5. It does amaze me how coaches, pro players, and others in our society get such huge sums of money etc and are recognized as great etc. before they ever produce = to what they get. In this example reality says Brohm has a excellent upset win, a few really good wins, and a few close loses plus a few bad loses. Reality says currently Brohm is a coach one game above 500.

    1. Yep. He hadn’t done anything but be an eyelash better than IU (results wise). Let’s rave about him after he has done something.

      He’s the poor man’s Lane Kiffin. That’s not fair. Brohm has actually won before. Kiffin went 5-15 at Oakland before stumbling through the college ranks. Now, Texas Tech fans are calling for him as their new coach after a 5-7 record at Florida Atlantic, including wins over Bethune-Cookman, Middle Tennessee, and Charlotte.

  6. Contrary to what so many on this predicted, I didn’t believe it was a done deal that Brohm would go to Louisville. Purdue’s President is a very smart man who demonstrates great leadership. He wasn’t going to let Brohm go without a fight. Compare Purdue’s leadership to the clowns running IU. What a joke!

  7. PO, agree about the difference in IU’s president and PU’s president. Add in a board that gives the AD the okay to fund the football program and you see the difference between IU and PU.

  8. Someone please explain to me how it is possible that Purdue can pay Jeff Brohm between $5 and $6 million per year, but IU pays there head football coach about half that amount? When Fred Glass heard that news, he probably threw-up in his mouth. This is just embarrassing!

    You get what you pay for! Fire Fred Glass NOW!

    1. Never mind Pee-yew, explain how four conf. wins in three years gets Lovie Smith’s six-year, $21,000,000.00 contract extended for two more years. That’s probably not the only inexplicable thing that’s happened in the world of college football HC compensation lately, either, but I only have limited time to read the sports pages. Certainly, however, greater intellects than mine are hard at work in the upper reaches of American college administrations.

    2. Po,
      How are you going to fire the AD if the Trustees and the President of the university are going to continue to tolerate mediocrity in so many areas? This whole mess lays at the feet of the Trustees, but not enough pressure is being brought to bear on them.

      1. “Mediocrity in so many areas”? You are a typical whiner. Cry but provide no supporting facts. I don’t follow each sport carefully, but men’s and women’s basketball are good, men’s and women’s swimming and diving are great, men’s soccer is #1, baseball is tops in the B1G, those are the facts. Football is weak, I agree.

        1. BP,
          Your problem is you are like the old cliché, wanting to major on the minors and minor on the majors. Problem is, whether any of us like it or not, paying college athletes is coming. When it does, where is the money going to come from? In college there are only 2 revenue producing sports, football and men’s basketball, but it is a big difference in dollars between the two. Yes, there are a few unique programs such as UConn women’s BB, but they are few and far between. Again, where’s the money going to come from?

  9. Purdue has less IX expenses, with men’s soccer a club sport, no women’s field hockey and no women’s rowing Purdue has a athletic budget that’s 15 million dollars less than I U’s. The big difference is Purdue’s places a greater emphasis on football.

  10. So IU prioritizes non-revenue generating sports over revenue generating sports to the tune of S15 million? With all due respect to the women’s sumo wrestling team, I’m sure their tailgates are amazing, but that is about as miss-managed as miss-managed gets.

    1. You are absurd. Do you take pride in IU Olympians? I do. Purdue has a rare diver every 12 years. IU has 15-20 every 4 years, each from the non-revenue sports! The numbers of student-athletes involved in all sports other than football vs football are overwhelming. That is great management. The difference in actual revenue from 44,000 vs 54,000 at football games (IU vs Purdue) is not that great. You have no facts!

  11. PS- all schools have the same Title 9 constraints. It’s how they manage those constraints that matters.

      1. Chet- Title 9 addresses equal opportunity for men and women. The statute is not school dependent . IU and Purdue have the same constraint. IU chooses to provide scholarships for Men’s Soccer and is therefore required to provide an equal number of scholarships to women’s sports programs The constraint is the same, the way both schools deal with the constraint is what is different. I ‘m sure having a winning men’s soccer program adds some prestige and revenue to the school but probably not as much as if those funds were diverted to a more successful football program. Cutting Men’s Soccer scholarships would allow the university to cut a corresponding number scholarships to non-revenue generating women’s programs. Sports scholarships in my opinion should be self-funding through the revenue they generate. Otherwise, use scholarships for actual scholars.

        1. “Sports scholarships in my opinion should be self-funding through the revenue they generate.”

          For most most schools in this country that would mean the only sports would be men’s basketball and football. Except for a handful of baseball and wrestling programs (and UConn women’s basketball) almost no other sports are in this black. That would put all the schools in violation of Title IX. It would also be the death knell for college sports except perhaps in the Ivy League where they don’t have athletic scholarships in the first place.

          1. Besides, it is not sport vs. sport. That is to say, cutting men’s soccer doesn’t mean more money for football. It just means the pool of money spent on men’s sports is less so the pool of money spent on women’s sports can be similarly decreased.

            It is men’s sports as a whole vs. women’s sports as a whole. Two pools of money to be shared more or less equally.

            Because of the massive cash outlay to football operations, eliminating a women’s non revenue sport would actually decrease the amount of money that could be allocated to football (or any other men’s sport).

            Title IX constraints are not that easily worked around.

            Title IX (aka PL92-318) also does not only apply to athletic teams. It disallows discrimination (in this case as reflected in spending) in education or activity by institutions receiving federal money. It wasn’t specifically written for athletics.

          2. you are really getting lost in the weeds. my personal preference would be to give scholarships to actual scholars. Fund sports scholarships from revenue generating sports. Use the pool to fund what scholarships you can and still conform with Title 9. Make the rest club sports. That wouldn’t limit participation just who get’s paid to participate.

          3. I understand what you are getting at but that doesn’t make any of these laws go away. You still have to abide by them.

            I am very familiar with these laws because I worked with special needs kids and educational rights laws come into play all the time, though PL92-318 has been largely superseded by PL 99-454.

            What you propose is coming up with a system where we pretend these laws don’t exist. It’s like pretending gravity doesn’t exist because that would make flying easier. It sounds great but it doesn’t work in the real world.

          4. The simple facts are if you deviate from Title IX you are in deep trouble. No question.

        2. I cannot disagree more strongly with your misguided “football supremacy” attitude. MI can do it all, I prefer that model!

  12. think, you’re right about IU’s Trustees. But they’re elected, and obviously the people who vote for those positions don’t care enough about IU Athletics to replace them. But the immediate solution to the problem is replacing the A.D. Fred Glass is just not an effective leader. I’ve said it for years; He’s a risk-averse, bean-counting manager who defines success for IU Athletics in ways that do not include having winning programs. He cares more about managing his budget, keeping IU squeaky clean from year-to-year and having the tallest flag pole in college sports than he does about building winning programs. Anyone who argues that Fred simply does not have the money to hire a proven head football coach needs to answer the question, “then how does he have the money to build relatively large/expensive upgrades to Memorial Stadium?” You want to hire a quality, proven football coaching staff? Then you find ways to solicit donations from the big donors that will allow you hire the right man for the job. Fred should have the title “Athletic Facilities Director,” because he obviously cares more about having attractive facilities than he does about hiring proven coaching staffs. His philosophy of “when we build the better facilities, the players and fans will come” is obviously not working. Players don’t choose to play for a school because of the facilities (i.e., Duke Basketball), they choose to play for a school because of the coach, and to have a chance of being a part of a winning program. And the very best players choose a coach who they believe will help them become professional athletes. Obviously, by his actions, Fred Glass does not understand that fundamental reality. Fred Glass owns IU Football. He is 100% responsible for the 11 consecutive losing seasons. Yes, when he was hired, the program was a mess. But in spite of the improved facilities, IU Football has accumulated 11 consecutive losing seasons and still has the lowest or second lowest paid football coaching staff in the Big Ten. No other Power-five Conference A.D. would have survived such a dismal record while overseeing their school’s highest revenue-producing sport. And as for IU fans, those that are not deeply embarrassed by that fact are a big part of the problem.

    1. PO- Only 3/9 of the trustees are elected by alumni and alumnae. The other six are gubernatorial appointees. Move back to Indiana and run for governor!

  13. A lot of the facility improvements have been paid for by the donor’s money. The comment that Michigan does it, yes by having 100,000 people in the stadium and the donations that go with getting into those selected seats, the key to any of the schools is generating revenue from the football program. Purdue’s had a drop off of 15,000 fans per game with the coach prior to Brohm, their administration knows it has to have football revenue to make their athletic programs function. So the outlay for a coach to fill those seats with a product the fans will pay for is a necessity for their athletic program success. I U knows that financial fact also, but has yet to come up with a football product to fill the seats. I U 2018 football attendance is down by one report 7%, the weather was a factor, however the real reason is no Ohio State and Michigan sell outs, its their fans supporting their winning product, not I U fans. The number of I U season ticket holders that make donations get into Tobias Center on game day sell their tickets to the visiting team, so you see Penn State, Maryland, Michigan State and Purdue Fans in the reserve I U donor area. It would be interesting to see the levels of endowed athletic scholarships for the various Big Ten schools to see how I U ranks with the other schools. I U Football needs to get into the money making business, or having to get by on the Big Ten Money to field their I U Football product.

    1. As I’ve mentioned before from my own experience, it’s a lot easier to get donations for bricks and mortar cf. operating expenses. Which does mean that Glass needs to work harder at the part of his job which is harder to do. . .

  14. BP, that’s not true. But even if it was, not too many people care about any college sport other than Football and Basketball. And few, if any of those other sports generate revenue for IU. Years back, IU finished in the top five for the Sears Cup. It’s now called the Learfield Director’s Cup, which Stanford has won for 23 consecutive years. IU won’t return to the top ten in that competition as long as Fred Glass is IU’s A.D.

    1. You are wrong. Let’s go through each sport and compare the last 5 years to the average of the last 5 years before Glass. Then let’s compare the total number of Olympians in the most recent Games to the total in the last Games before Glass. Then the loser pays for burgers and beers at Nick’s.

  15. The Nat’l. Assn. of College AD’s web site has a lot of corrupted pages on it, but here’s what is available for national rankings of all sports for which the NCAA names a champion + FBS results:
    ’18 IU 49 PU 39
    ’17 IU 47 PU 41
    ’16 not available
    ’15 IU 61 PU 60
    ’14 not available
    ‘13 not available
    ’12 not available
    Based on available info, PU is pulling away from IU. Note that this does not include fall ’18; the year is not over yet. But as of 29-NOV-18 the standings are IU 17 PU 55. The final fall ’17 standings were IU 39 PU 48; spring must shine a lot brighter in W. Lafayette than it does in Bloomington.

    1. Indiana competes quite successfully in sports where Purdue doen’t even field a team.
      How do they incorporate rankings in those sports?

      That is an incredibly incomplete snapshot. Pretty meaningless statistically.

      1. Brother Chet: The Nat’l. Assn. of College AD’s web site has an explanation, which says that the “Institutions will use the top-10 sports for each gender in Division I . . . .” I conclude that IU’s top ten sports are not keeping up with Pur-doo-doo’s top ten sports. Here’s the whole scoring system: https://nacda.com/sports/2018/7/17/directorscup-nacda-directorscup-scoring-html.aspx

        You wrote: “Indiana competes quite successfully in sports where Purdue doe[s]n’t even field a team. How do they incorporate rankings in those sports?” Maybe Pee-yew fields some teams that IU doesn’t, and those are teams are in PU’s top ten? Maybe IU is stupid and can’t figure out which teams are its best? Whatever. “Our ten best compared to your ten best” seems a valid comparison to me.

        And just remember that whatever happens to Alabama, Clemson, Notre Dame, or Oklahoma in the next few weeks, the last team standing will NOT be the NCAA champ. The NCAA has no say in determining the champion of its biggest sport.

        1. Okay, but ‘maybe’ and ‘I conclude’ are not the most persuasive arguments I have heard recently .

          I simply said the data set was statistically invalid. You didn’t exactly explain that away.

          All your points are reasonable but there isn’t anything in that tiny piece of data to support them.

          1. Brother Chet: Never mind my half-serious suggestions about why the figures don’t make sense to you. The scoring system is that EVERY school (Div. I, Div. II, Div. III, NAIA, and junior/community colleges) submits a list of WHATEVER IT THINKS are its top programs and the NACAD ranks them. What’s “statistically invalid” about that? There’s not even any statistics involved, it’s arithmetic. Add up each list and compare the totals! The schools pick their own lists, fer cryin’ out loud! What could be more simple (or more fair) than that? Over a thousand schools submit their lists, but the NACAD screws up the IU and PU numbers every year?

            What data do you have for “statistically invalid” besides the fact (I’ll take your word for it) that IU does well in some sports that PU doesn’t do at all? The scoring rubric applies to all sports for which the NCAA determines a champion, + FBS. Maybe there’s no NCAA championship for the sports IU does/PU doesn’t? Yeah, I said “maybe,” so what? If you can shout “statistically invalid” without knowing anything about the lists a thousand schools submit every year, I can speculate about why IU ranks lower than PU every year notwithstanding that IU fields teams that PU doesn’t.

            And sometimes, “statistically invalid” means “I don’t like the results.” Which doesn’t make for a bad person, just a person who is super-duper loyal to his alma mater and can’t stand it that its loathed arch-rival has better overall sports programs. Or at least puts ten programs on a list that are better than the ten programs which the alma mater puts on its list. Love you, brother Chet.

  16. IU football blog posts take a desperate life of its own in the darkness of desperation for a resemblance of above losing football program.

  17. BP, the last five years!? How about we do a trend analysis over the last 20 years, or maybe 30 years. Then we can evaluate Fred Glass relative to his predecessors.

    Fred recently fired a basketball coach who’s teams won two outright Big Ten Championships in three seasons (etc., etc.) and who was honored as the Big Ten Coach of the year the year before he was fired. Fred explained that it because he was not living up to IU’s high standards for Men’s BB!

    We fired a football coach who had the program pointed upward because he was accused of being verbally insensitive to injured players. Since then IU football hasn’t even gotten back to a 6 – 6 season.

    We celebrate our Women’s BB team winning the “also ran tournament” championship (played on their home court) as if it was the Olympic Gold Medal.

    Yes, men’s soccer is outstanding, but only about 5,500 people showed up to watch IU play ND for a chance to return to the final four! Baseball has improved, but we lost our last two coaches to schools who could pay them much higher salaries (funded by those schools’ football programs).

    We have a World Champion women’s swimmer enrolled at IU, but that’s the result of her phenomenal individual talent and work ethic.

    With the exception of tall flag poles and improved facilities, Fred Glass has failed as IU’s A.D. Or maybe my standards and expectations are just a bit higher for our great and beautiful university. We can do better. A lot better! Especially in football.

    1. “Since then IU football hasn’t even gotten back to a 6 – 6 season.”

      You make it sound like that was an average year for Wilson instead of the pinnacle season of his entire head coaching career…which is what it was.

      You could just as accurately say, “Since then IU has not endured another 1-11 season.”

      Give credit where credit is due, but getting to 6-6 took six years and it was his greatest achievement as a head coach.

  18. Chet, your comments above are typical of many IU fans and reflect chronically low expectations. Bottom line is that under Fred Glass, IU Football has not had a winning season in 11 years. That is simply unacceptable.

    What has IU Athletics’ most impressive accomplishment been during Fred Glass’s tenure as A.D.?

    1. I agree. Totally unacceptable.

      In fact, had Wilson gone 4-8 Tthe next season he absolutely should have been fired.

  19. Chet, my point was, IU Football was inclined upward when Wilson got fired. Since then, the football program has regressed.

    1. They got incrementally better over six seasons with plenty of slips along the way. It’s not as if the team turned around into a successful program.

      It didn’t.

      Did the team get ‘less bad’?

      Probably. I think so. Marginally.

      Did they even approach being good?


      1. I think they were approaching being good under Wilson….I don’t believe Wilson cared for Fred strong-arming him. Don’t really remember when that began(the frivolous accusations about ridiculing less than two guys cleared to play but still “injured”), but when you don’t have the trust of your AD, who wants to stay?

        The offense and the quality of running backs made, in my humble opinion, for a far more exciting product under Wilson. At least the ball would go downfield occasionally..And at least “hurry-up” was actually working as designed. Going no-huddle under Allen/DeBord/Ramsey simply meant taking all the play clock at the line of scrimmage during mass confusion.

        Been back and forth, but I’d give Allen one more season. I could care less what they do with “Caddyshack Committee Room Fred.”

  20. Yes, accept for a small handful of seasons, IU football has always been below par at a major league/big ten level. Record, recruiting, coaches, past facilities prove it. Mainly the win loss record.
    Does Central Florida beat Northwestern?
    If T.A. is ever replaced? Which that is not in the cards now or in the near future nor should it be.
    Is a coach like Central Florida a good idea. IU should be able to afford him but not sure about he would even be interested or IU be that interested or even a good idea.

  21. Chet, you make my point for me. IU Football is not any good. We need an A.D. that is committed to making IU Football good, for the first time in at least 11 years. That probably begins by hiring a head coach who has proven he can build a winning program. We haven’t had one of those men since Fred Glass took over as IU’s A.D. And 100% of the responsibility for that is on Fred Glass. He has failed! How long do IU fans have to tolerate having a bad football program?

    It’s just like stock holders in a corporation. We can only expect that the program’s performance improves, as measured by wins per season. In the last two seasons, IU football has not improved. But just a few hours north of Bloomington, a team that IU beat four years in a row and was one of the worst teams in the conference has improved a lot! Purdue just beat IU for the second consecutive season, secured a trip to its second consecutive bowl game, is out-recruiting IU, and just beat two top-20 teams this season. They just gave their coach a new contract that will pay him at least twice what IU pays its coach! The comparison of the two programs is unavoidable. So what’s the common denominator?

  22. The issues are potential and performance. When Allen was hired, everyone was excited because of the perceived potential to grow into the role of Head Coach. But after 3 years as Defensive Coordinator and 2 years as Head Coach, the performance has not lived up to that perceived potential. And based on his performance, basic skills required for the role seem to be lacking. Kevin Wilson was a bad coach that became a mediocre head coach over 6 years. Had he been allowed to stay, he probably would have won no more than 6 games per season. That seems to have been the maximum of his abilities. After 2 disappointing years, Allen’s potential seems to be lower than Wilson’s potential. Some new coaches grow into the role and become better over time, some don’t. I no longer believe Allen has the talent to grow into the role. And the choice of Allen as head coach, and Wilson and Lynch and Cameron shows the University is not serious about fielding a winning football team. Maybe a winning soccer team, but not football.

  23. Very well said, Hoosier 86.

    IU should NEVER, EVER, EVER hire a man without head coaching experience to run the football program.

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