Florida OL announces decommitment from Indiana

Offensive lineman Michael Cartwright won’t be signing with Indiana after all.

The three-star prospect is no longer part of IU’s 2019 recruiting class, announcing Tuesday morning that he will be looking at other options.

“I would like to thank Indiana for recruiting me during my recruiting process and the entire Indiana coach staff for making (me) feel like family the whole time,” Cartwright wrote in a message posted to Twitter, “but today I will be de-committing from Indiana University and reopening my recruitment for me to reevaluate everything and to make the best decision for me (as) a person, player and most importantly a student.”

Cartwright committed in late July, choosing IU over offers from Central Florida, Nebraska, Pitt, Southern Miss and Florida Atlantic, among others.

Offensive line is a priority this cycle for Indiana, which currently counts commitments from three-star Tennessee tackle Matthew Bedford and three-star Pennsylvania guard Michael Katic among its 16 verbal pledges.

Recently, IU has extended offers to junior college linemen Myron Cunningham and Jay Williams.

84 comments

  1. And so it begins, again. Like rats off a sinking ship, this will not be the last de-commitment we see between now and signing day. And the recruits they sign to replace these de-commits won’t be rated as high. But I don’t think this is just about Hiller. I think it’s a reflection on the entire program. T.A.’s team simply does not pass the eye test for anyone who knows football and are watching these games on TV. Given the other schools that were recruiting him, why would he not re-open his recruiting? The only thing that surprises me is that the cycle has begun in less time than usual. We haven’t even finished our second consecutive losing season under T.A. and some of the recruits are bailing out. It usually takes a bit longer for the decline in recruiting become evident.

    Is Fred Glass paying attention? Does Fred even care? My guess is that he’ll close the barn door after the best horses have escaped.

  2. Wait a minute! You mean to tell me that this kid was not impressed by all the upgrade football facilities. You mean to tell me that he’s not excited by the new locker room or the new south end zone? I thought all that money was being sent to upgrade the football facilities because it will help improve recruiting. I’m shocked, shocked I tell you, that this kid does not appreciate the value of IU’s new and improved facilities!

    1. Po, you don’t get it. Improved facilities yes. But we just closed one end of the stadium. Look at the Virginia game and you see the glaring problem. Think dome.

  3. Following the upcoming blowout by Purdue, Allen & company will be scurrying to have linemen decommit from Austin Peay, Morgan State and other stalwart programs. This ‘honey’ is close to tailspin mode.

  4. This was a concern. If me from my 10,000 foot view could see a lack of development and improvement of players by this staff, I’m certain that recruits and more knowledgeable football people were seeing the same.

    I know this is only one player, but I wonder if the overall poor performance of the team will dramatically affect Allen’s reputation in Florida. He was considered to be a strong recruiter in Florida when he was at USF, and established contacts with many high school coaches. His reputation of being a solid defensive minded coach based on the performance of his defenses at his last two stops certainly helped, but will that reputation fade because of his lack of success as a head coach?

  5. When asked about facilities upgrade ND stated they don’t try to keep up with other schools when Northwestern upgrades were mentioned. ND basically said they are who they are.

  6. Overeaction central here!!!recruits decommit all the time how is that news? at dozens of school across the country jeez you guys amaze me with the whole sky is falling routine need to just stop nonsense man oh yeah that avon rb decommited from ohio state and choose IU so how do you explain that?

  7. Not surprised, I said on a post after the Minnesota debacle that we would be seeing de-commits coming down the road. Unless this team miraculously wins 2 of their next 3 games, this will continue, mark my words. This is obviously not a Big 10 caliber coaching staff to say the least. I agreed with many others a couple of weeks ago when it was stated by many on this site that Glass needs to open up the school’s bank account and pay for a REAL top notch coaching staff!! As was stated a few times, putting all of that money into the facility and adding seats makes no sense! We couldn’t fill up the stadium with what we had before hand. should have put that money to good use to pay for a name coach and quality assistants! DeBoard is a terrible offensive coordinator, play calling is 3rd grade level at best! If we stay with this staff we are doomed!!

    1. “Glass needs to open up the school’s bank account and pay for a REAL top notch coaching staff!! As was stated a few times, putting all of that money into the facility and adding seats makes no sense!”
      In the world of big-time college sports, donor $$$ counts for far more than does trustee/legislature approved budgets. And having served on the boards of several non-profits, I can tell you that it’s a lot easier to wheedle money out of donors for tangibles (buildings) than day-to-day operating expenses (salaries). The difference between the IU donors and the Mich/OSU/PSU donors is that there are plenty of the latter who will shell out for both.

  8. I don’t think this kid is going to end up at a power 5 school. I said he looked like a reach when they recruited him. If this is the only decommit, the recruiting class is in good shape. But they are striking out on higher rated O lineman and still no QB in the class. Both of those are bigger concerns.

  9. I’m surprised by how many blog replies I’ve seen during this football season singing the praises of Kevin Wilson. Yes, the program made strides under him and became more competitive. However, his last 3 of 6 seasons, IU’s BigTen records (with mostly or all of “his players”) were 1-7, 2-6, and 4-5. The biggest win in those 3 years was a lone victory over Mich State. The rest of those victories came against the likes of Rutgers, Maryland and Purdue (when they stunk it up). Someone please explain to me how one semi-decent, losing year in the BigTen merits exalted status? And exactly how many programs have subsequently tried to hire Wilson as their head coach?

      1. I’d be pleased and reasonably satisfied if Coach Allen could just have maintained the W/L of Wilson’s last 2 seasons during his 1st 2 seasons. Actually 1 6-6 at this point would be a +.

    1. It’s called direction. IU was crappy in the extreme when Wilson took over, and the program improved- all the way to mediocre! Wilson may very well have peaked when he was canned (I think it appeared that way), but we’ll never know. But after six years things were moving in the right direction. Expectations for Allen certainly were NOT higher when he got the promotion, just about everyone had a wait-and-see attitude. Tell us, Okie, what are you seeing?

  10. Well because Wilson went 6-6 with bowl games his last 2 years. Allen was sold as a continuation of that same staff who could now get IU to the next level. Allen also had a 5th year returning starter at quarterback and what was supposed to be the best defense in a generation to start his tenure. Allen did nothing to lower expectations as he preached “breakthrough” to his team, the fans and alumni. Which is why everyone thought we were on the brink of a meaningful winning season. So much so that ESPN Gameday showed up for a possible upset of a playoff caliber Ohio State team to kick of the ’17 season- complete with military flyover. Now only 14 months later, this team was one 4th down play against Rutgers away from being the worst team in the Big Ten. Which is why a mediocre season under Wilson seems like the good old days.

    1. Yeah, and Wilson declared “win now” or something like that en route to a one win season as he convinced lots of people thought something big was going to happen.

      It didn’t.

      1. IU got cheap and bought an OC in Wilson and tried to let him “grow” into the HC job. After half a decade, he got to mediocre. Then IU got cheap again and promoted a DC who took a step backward last year and will probably do the same this year. Questioning which is better or worse misses the bigger questions/problems.

  11. Guys, my above post about the football facilities was sarcastic, and intended to mock Fred’s stated belief that the new/improved football facilities would improve recruiting. They can help improve recruiting, but they won’t move the needle without a quality coaching staff.

    1. Po,
      I’m not so sure that the quality of the coaching staff is that bad, with the exception of the ST coach. As you have said many times you have an inexperienced HC who I believe made a terribly bad decision on which way to go at QB. A decision like that is very much something we would see due to inexperience. The bigger question is, has he understood the error and learned a major lesson from his mistake.

      I see everyone knocking the idea of hiring a coordinator to be HC instead of finding an experienced HC. You have to remember IUFB is not exactly a destination job for an experienced HC at any level. IU has been very fortunate with former Miami of Ohio coaches, but they are not always out there every time you need them. The PSU game convinced me of what I suspected regarding MP’s capabilities and their effect on the IUFB team as a whole.

      The entire responsibility for this year’s debacle (another one in a long line of debacles over the last 130 years of IUFB), belongs solely to Tom Allen. What I am looking at, is does he have time to learn from this year’s mistake and will he? The 2019 season will be the deciding factor, if he repeats the type of mistakes he made with the QB position this year, then it is time to replace him. He does need to make a change at ST. As for the OC, with the undeniable evidence everyone should have seen with PSU, unless DeBord wants to retire, you don’t have a problem at OC you have a problem at QB.

      1. Decision to not start MP sooner bleeds incompetence by the HC & OC. I don’t buy the RS being the justification. OJT and/or learning curve are even weaker excuses. We got our 1st taste of incompetence and ineptness last season when they couldn’t identify who the offensive playmakers were coming out of Fall camp. Remember they continually pushed MM as the feature RB to the tune of 21 carries for 20 yd. for the season. Just 1 dumb decision after another over the bulk of 21 games and is not getting better. Not just this season.
        Over the past 2 1/2 decades IUFB has not just been the toughest job in collegiate FB but the worst. Any experienced, successful HC would be a fool to take that on. Instead they can just smartly wait a season for a better gig. No wonder the administration has tried most successfully to keep facilities up to speed. The time to pull the trigger is now. There are possibilities out there; Rod Carey, Seth Littrel, even a high profile job seeker like Les Miles could want back in the B1G. I don’t view $ as an IU weakness. PUke did it while they were suffering a time of financial crisis at the time.

        1. HC,
          You are absolutely correct regarding the terrible decision to not have been starting MP from the very beginning. It was easy to see in the PSU game that he was just a little out of sync with the receivers due their not being used to the ball getting to them so quickly. Had the entire offense been on the same page with MP coming into B1G season, could have been interesting. By that point in time he might have felt the need to do more than he should have like he did with PSU.

          The only thing I will say about Les Miles is the same thing I said about DiNardo. If you can’t win big every year at LSU, you can’t coach.

          1. thinkaboutit- You must be kidding, right? You so cordially and casually address Clarion in your confirmation of his stunning reversal of opinion considering the starting qb? Are you going to dunk and dink a curtsey into a most wonderful exhibit of Southern hospitality? You speak to him as if you don’t know he wasn’t endlessly advocating Ramsey as just the right mix of slow and steady simmering to make a magnificent Bolognese sauce. I’ve heard of civil and hospitable but how can you blindly allow such a pass? Ramsey might have a real terrible arm, but you just allowed the weakest “keep it real” pass in the history of Scoop.

            You guys crack me up….

            Penix was always the obvious choice based on arm, drop-back/pocket skill, and raw talent. But what was not so obvious was just how thin and frail his frame. His body was not ready for the likes of the ‘Murderer’s Row’ of the BigTen. Taller and more skilled than Zander, but Penix was still at a point physically that left him at a level of serious health vulnerability similar to Zander. The knee was a terrible misfortune but it may have saved him from a devastating hit far worse. Barring a poor knee rehab, he will fill out and pump up for next year …and be far more ready.

          2. tai, OSU and Iowa games I started really getting critical evaluating team performance and corresponding results. Sickening. I was at PSU game. East side, 49 yd. line about 50 rows up, great observation point. Ramsey was good and engineered early scores. But the play of Penix was undeniable ‘in person’. In other words I saw the same thing Allen and DeBord ‘had’ to be seeing for at least 6 weeks during practices. He has intangibles that PR(who I do like)doesn’t. For a HC and OC to ignore that is truly inept and incompetent. 21 games and mistake after mistake. No improvement in W/L results because there is no improvement in coaching.
            My mentioning Miles was only to reference a high profile name. The time to create upward movement will never be better. Put out feelers now so when LOI are signed in December things can happen.

          3. HC,
            You are absolutely on target wondering why it took so long to get MP on the field. I like PR too as he is a good and tough kid, but I also know he is not a B1G caliber QB. He is useful as a backup and could someday make a great coach, the coaches were asking too much of him and the opponents defenses were proving it. DeBord had to know PR couldn’t run his offense effectively and he (DeBord) would get the blame for it. This one is solely on TA. He is the head coach and the buck stops with him.

            If TA can hold on to a reasonably decent recruiting class, I think he needs one more season to prove himself. TA needs to be on a very short leash and MP or somebody better needs to be on the field next season. Problem for TA is this decision at the QB position has now set the program back considerable. This team he had built had a very good chance at a winning season. Which is now virtually out of the question, be lucky to win 6.

  12. Take a serious look….His legs could hide behind a pair of violin bows. A single slab of baby back ribs have more meat attached than the entirety of his bones.

    photo courtesy: Herald Times/Hoosier Scoop

  13. If Wilson faced harsh criticism for attempting to demean guys who were hesitant to return to the field after injury, we must also examine the forcing and encouraging of talent to take the field when their bodies are simply not ready.
    The changes in redshirt rules could open the door for abuses when coaches are pushed into a corner to get the talent out of the gates sooner. And a place as talent-starved as Indiana adds exponentially to such possible abuses/risk-taking at certain key offensive roster positions(qb/receivers).
    This is high level ‘Power Five’ football. Explosive strength and size in lineman/linebackers/corners has been going up..up…up.

    You can’t have it both ways…..You can’t be hypercritical of a coach possibly rushing a player back onto the field after being medically cleared, while, at the same time, turn a blind eye to the coach who rushes a young talent with underdeveloped body into harms way simply because a program is desperate for positive momentum.

  14. I just don’t buy the argument that IU is a terrible destination for an up-and-coming football coach. It does not have to be that way in the future. The right leadership can wipe away the past and create a new “reality” for IU Football going forward. It boils down to money and support from the administration, and then a little later, from The Hoosier Nation. Actually, money translates to support. The facilities upgrades are almost complete and they are very nice. Now we need an AD that has the vision, leadership and courage necessary to identify the best candidates, find the money to offer him and his staff competitive compensation (which I define as something above what Purdue pays Brohm, or the mid-point of all Big Ten head coaches), and then sell the man on the benefits of being at IU, living in Bloomington, and the sense of accomplishment that would result from turning IU into a consistently competitive and winning football program. I mean the man would be a legend and never have to buy a drink in any bar in souther Indiana for the remainder of his life. And after a decade under the right compensation package, he’d also be wealthy and never have to worry about money for the rest of his life.

    Here’s an idea! Why doesn’t IU try to do something it has never done before? Go out and hire a head football coach who demonstrates the values that The Hoosier Nation demands, a man who has proven his ability to recruit and build winning teams, compensate him and his staff at a level above the Big Ten’s average coaching compensation, give him the budget necessary to recruit across the country, and then support his every reasonable (and ethical) effort to build a consistently competitive football program housed in what are now excellent facilities!

    1. Po,
      Who are you going to get with any decent track record at this point? The coaching profession is a very egocentric and superstitious lot. Bo McMillian summed it up best calling IUFB the “graveyard of coaches.” No seasoned or up and coming coach is going to come to IU and risk their career. Not in this day and age. A few years ago, maybe, but not now. There is too much to lose by taking a chance on IUFB.

      Had IU done right by Bill Mallory there was a good chance to build a program, but IU didn’t. Got lucky again with Hep, but terrible misfortune stepped in. Right now, TA is your only hope. All Hoosier Nation can do is hope TA will learn from a terrible mistake and get it right going forward. If he doesn’t turn it around next year, it will be time for a change. If that is the case, then to break the cycle get your pocketbook ready because it will take megabucks to lure the kind of quality needed to IU, and that’s no guarantee of success. More than likely whatever happens it will be more of the same which come to represent the nearly 130 years of IUFB.

      I’m tired of beating a dead horse, on to happier things, got another BB game tomorrow night!

      1. Thinkaboutit- Purdue was in much worse shape than IU is now when Jeff Brohm took over. If you are a winning coach at a WAC, MAC or Conference USA program and you are looking at a 6 year contract that will set your family up for the rest of your life, why wouldn’t you take a long hard look? IU hasn’t been able to get a successful coach because they haven’t been willing to pay the $3M per season going rate. IU has been a losing program because IU isn’t willing to pay enough to be a winning program.

        1. 86,
          Why the stinkers up north would be more attractive to a FB coach is because they have a much better FB tradition, even if the program was in bad shape at the time Brohm was hired. They don’t have the reputation of being the “graveyard of coaches.”

          1. But West Lafayette does have quite the reputation for being a “graveyard for a pretty date.”

            Our best means to start beating out Purdue-little for recruits could just be in paying network cameramen under the table for more close-up shots of all the Rosie O’Donnell faces in the PUrinal stands.

  15. Hoosier 86, I could not have said it better, and you are exactly correct. Thank you for nailing the response.

    And good lord, why do so many Hoosier fans have such a pervasive losing mentality? They speak as if the past determines the future. Are we a bunch of saps?

    People act as if a man making $600,000 per year at a mid-major school are going to blow off an offer from a Big Ten School offering $3.5 million per with a five or 7-year guarantee. The problem is Glass, who is cheep and wouldn’t be able to point out a good football coach if he was standing in the college football Hall of Fame. It can be done, and Hoosier fans need to start demanding that IU’s administrators stop acting like such helpless losers.

    1. Again, where on earth were you when Glass was blowing enough cash to fill the Hindenburg for a basketball coach completely clueless in X’s and O’s….and completely derelict of duties at recruiting Indiana? 30 million over 9 seasons culminating in an horrific event of assistant coaches burning their reputations to the ground by holding giant cue cards. You have zero room to shame Indiana fans when you blindly supported such a calamity and destruction to our basketball tradition.

      Our quickest way to stages of national relevance was basketball. God only knows why some of you were o.k. with a 9-year fumble of no return.

  16. thinkaboutit, that quote from Bo McMillian is ancient history! I don’t think John Pont paid any attention to it. I doubt mallory gave it any thought. Certainly Hep did not allow it to prevent him from taking the job. I doubt any coach today has ever even heard of Bo McMillion or his self-serving comment. You act as if it was some kind of powerful voodo curse that holds power over the University. It was an opinion expressed decades ago, and it only holds power if the Hoosier Nation accepts and believes it. I reject Bo’s comment as simple-minded B.S.. Things can be changed, it just takes vision and competent leadership, and that’s what IU’s Administration has been lacking for far too long.

    1. Po,
      The problem with Bo’s comment is not that it is ancient history, but that it is correct. Let’s remember Bo was on track to becoming legendary at IU before he decided to jump to the NFL. In his last few seasons the records were improving, but something made him want to leave. I think he saw the internal problems with IU supporting the FB program and decided it was time to go. You know as well as I do, the Mallory years prove that point.

  17. “The Graveyard” would be a sort of cool nickname for Memorial…

    If we could only make the opposition ‘rest in pieces’ after facing the ‘cremation and crimson.’

    If Memorial is a graveyard for coaches….then I believe Allen is soon to be ‘Casper the Friendly Galatians Ghost.’

  18. The other things that have changed in the last 20 or 30 years is the ease of travel and exposure. If you are a kid in the Tampa or Orlando area, it’s just as easy to fly to Indy and drive to Bloomington then to drive to Gainsville or Tallahassee. And with BTN and the internet, anyone anywhere can see any game. All a coach needs is a couple good seasons and everyone nationally starts to take notice. It’s not like you are stuck recruiting just Indiana and the Midwest like back in the day. IU is still disadvantaged compared to an Ohio State but the gap is smaller than 20-30 years ago.

  19. I don’t normally respond but here goes. As for Michael Cartwright’s decommitment it’s more than a bit absurd to look at his decision as some sign that IU recruiting is about to fall into the abyss. Actually it seems like it may be more wishful thinking than absurdity in a few of the posters cases. The fact is that Michael was the second lowest rated recruit for 19 thus far. The only one lower is Sean Wracher, a LS ranked between 6th and 8th at his position. Wracher’s overall player ranking really means little in terms of how important he will likely be for us. Anyway while I certainly wish Michael all the best in finding the right school for him it doesn’t seem he’s likely leaving because IU suddenly isn’t good enough for him. Not saying I have any personal knowledge of the young man’s reasons but it seems more, or at least just as, likely that he may have felt more playing time would be available elsewhere. With those in the program now and CTA‘s commits about how adding to the OL is a priority for the remaining spots in this class. Also from everything I’ve found online it seems the best guess, at the moment, is that he will end up at FIU. We will see I guess.
    Now as for CTA’s recruiting overall, well I’m not sure some that have posted here actually look beyond their opinions for facts. KW improved recruiting for sure. The six classes he brought in from 2012-17 were a step in the right direction. 247 sports has those at; 2012, 57th .8242 avg. 2013, 42nd .8335 avg. 2014, 48th .8235 avg. 2015, 53rd .8378 avg. 2016, 53 rd .8367 avg. and 2017 62nd .8319 avg. By the current list on 247 of the top 100 recruits for IU going back to when 247 started doing this (I think going back to 2000) KW has 46 players. He also has 6 currently in the top 10, 5 of those from that great class of 13. All of that seems like a good indication that he had things moving for the better. Remember too though that some credit for the 2017 class has to go to CTA, he was here as the DC to help recruit the class and when KW was let go CTA managed to keep every commitment on signing day. I remember wondering if we would even have much of a class to sign. What has CTA done in his 1+1/2 classes as HC so far? 247 had 2018 at 49th .8490 avg. and 2019 is currently at 41st .8575, both a higher player average than any of KW’s classes. It could be argued that 2018 was IU’s best class, at least in the last few decades. The rank wasn’t as high as 2013 or 14 but the average player rating was higher and shows the depth of the class. 2019 so far has an even higher player average. Also CTA currently has 32 players in the top 100 and 3 in the top 10 before his 2nd class is even complete. I don’t think it should be hard to conclude that CTA HAS continued to build on what KW started understanding how important recruiting is to building any level of success.
    Now as for wins, well I’m on board with the fact that it is long ago exhausting to watch IU teams almost win a big game. Yes the Mizzou win was nice and even the MSU win but this year’s Virginia win would easily be a better win than MSU. Mizzou finished 11-3 so it would certainly be the best so far but MSU finished 3-8 and it took overtime to win that one. Virginia is currently 6-3 with 3 winnable games left. I think they likely win 2 of those, so add in a bowl win and they could realistically finish 9-4 or with a VaTech win they could still even win the division. Anyway KW’s 2 bowl seasons were not much of a step forward. 2015 was the year we should have lost to Southern Illinois….should have being the important part there though so good job I guess. It was also the last year before going to a 9 game B1G schedule so wins against SIU, FIU, Western KY and Wake Forest gave us a chance to win 6. You think we could have won 6 last year if we trade Wisconsin for say Indiana State…that’s 2015 vs 2017 period…no huge coaching difference…no breakthrough KW moment just one less B1G game and 1 FCS game added to the schedule. How about this year, trade Iowa for SIU and we are 5-4 right now. Don’t mistake the KW years for the glory days folks.

    Now for Penix. Look I’m as excited as anyone that we have a kid with his skills at IU. But think with your July/August brain for a minute. IU came into this season with 8 defensive starters gone and looking to play a ton of FR an SO. We had no reason to think the IU defense was going to be close to what we had in 2017. I’m guessing the IU staff knew mid-August that Ellison was not playing anytime soon. Dawkins wasn’t playing up to what they had hoped so you have a young team with no starting RB, a young D and a choice to make. Go with another FR as your QB and leader or go with the guy that had won the job as starter the year before and that had been the overwhelming team pick for captain? Use Penix as a FR with a young defense or have him 4 years later as a 5th year SR and 4 more CTA recruiting classes in place? I want to win now as much as anyone. My wife would tell you all how nuts I am but at that point, August, you have no reason to think this team wins any more games with Penix. You could have hoped, and we did as we always do but the reality was and is that Penix is a FR with a great up side not a guy ready to carry a season. Looking back now, yes maybe we beat PSU or Minn with a Penix that has half a season under his belt…or maybe not. PR played well enough to beat PSU. It wasn’t just PR that didn’t show up for 3 quarters at Minn.

    1. T#s,
      I appreciate your thinking in the first two jumbo paragraphs (H4H is right, break them up a little bit, easier to read), good data on the recruiting and past records. There is a bit of a flaw in your Penix logic, TA realistically had no other option than MP. TA had track record on PR from last year, and had to know, himself being a pretty good DC, how other teams would defense him. No matter how efficient PR could get with the dink and dunk attack, it would not produce a winning season.

      Everyone knew the defense was going to be a challenge with all the personnel losses from last year. The only hope was for the offense to give them as much relief as possible, but that couldn’t happen with PR at the controls in the B1G. The Iowa game proved this beyond a reasonable doubt. The dink and dunk is just too easy to defense, put 8,9, or 10 men in the box, and that is exactly what we have seen. OSU showed absolutely no fear of a deep pass on their rather weak defense (by OSU standards which PU proved), but the eye opening experience with PSU showed us exactly what could have been had Penix been well prepped in the early season.

      Playing it safe at the QB was not the way to go this year, TA had to take a chance but didn’t do it. I don’t care if MP was a FR, there are a lot of FR starting at QB this year and some at very high profile programs. You had to have B1G caliber skills at QB this year, it might have been a roll of the dice, but TA failed to make that decision. That’s the difference between an inexperienced HC and a long time successful one. My biggest concern is has TA realized the mistake, and will he have enough time to recover going forward into next year. Offensively, he had a good thing going coming into this year with a good receivers, a decent line, and surprisingly good RBs. He made a mistake at the one area he couldn’t afford to make a mistake at for everything to work, QB.

      1. I do agree that Penix was the obvious choice against the average to below average competition early in the season. But once you really could consume the size and explosive abilities of the best teams from the BigTen East, I was honestly concerned for Penix.

        When is saw the still shot produced by HT of Penix in the pocket against PSU, I wondered if his extremely fragile looking frame was behind Allen holding off on giving him a starting role. He just didn’t appear physically prepared to take the sort of punishment that a cream of the BigTen crop can pose.

        There is no question of the bigger arm and big play ability…

        I actually now have less confidence in Allen because he likely went outside his instincts of protecting his young underdeveloped qb and succumbed to a fan base pressuring him for more offense.

        At the end of the day, it was Dawkins who could have likely filled the needs of this team in the immediacy(or even interchangeable needs with Ramsey). More physically developed …with dynamic run/pass ability. Ellison in the backfield with Dawkins would have added even more difficulties for the opposition.

        Penix needed a year to get his body ready. After further replay review, I saw a body that was not ready to take big hits…You can’t put a young man in danger simply because he has skills that prove superior. Football requires forward progression. No matter your speed or your elusive abilities, you will get into situations where you’ll need to absorb enormous forces to your limbs.

    2. Easy to see why you don’t respond very often. A guy don’t get a vacation but 2-3 times a year.
      I enjoyed your post.
      Clearly Coach Allen unilaterally or in conferencing with the DeBord and Sheridan made a damming decision for IUFB 2018. MP and our WR’s would have excelled at overachieving and won 2 more games. It tells me all I need to know about their coaching horsepower.

    3. TNN,
      Nice look at the data. Pretty revealing. No, those were far from ‘glory years’ .

      More like small steps in the right general direction. Things got better (than Bill Lynch) but thngs never approached good.

      I am of the school of thought that we got what we were going to get. I didn’t see anything that would indicate CKW was on his way to building a consistent winner. Just pulling the Hoosiers from really bad to almost mediocre.

      Judging by his job offers to be a head coach that’s the consensus of the rest of college football decision makers as well.

    4. Sorry for the repost this is just a test to see if it makes it read better.

      I don’t normally respond but here goes. As for Michael Cartwright’s decommitment it’s more than a bit absurd to look at his decision as some sign that IU recruiting is about to fall into the abyss. Actually it seems like it may be more wishful thinking than absurdity in a few of the posters cases.

      The fact is that Michael was the second lowest rated recruit for 19 thus far. The only one lower is Sean Wracher, a LS ranked between 6th and 8th at his position. Wracher’s overall player ranking really means little in terms of how important he will likely be for us.

      Anyway while I certainly wish Michael all the best in finding the right school for him it doesn’t seem he’s likely leaving because IU suddenly isn’t good enough for him. Not saying I have any personal knowledge of the young man’s reasons but it seems more, or at least just as, likely that he may have felt more playing time would be available elsewhere. With those in the program now and CTA‘s commits about how adding to the OL is a priority for the remaining spots in this class.

      Also from everything I’ve found online it seems the best guess, at the moment, is that he will end up at FIU. We will see I guess.

      Now as for CTA’s recruiting overall, well I’m not sure some that have posted here actually look beyond their opinions for facts. KW improved recruiting for sure. The six classes he brought in from 2012-17 were a step in the right direction.

      247 sports has those at:
      2012, 57th .8242 avg.
      2013, 42nd .8335 avg.
      2014, 48th .8235 avg.
      2015, 53rd .8378 avg.
      2016, 53 rd .8367 avg.
      2017 62nd .8319 avg.

      By the current list on 247 of the top 100 recruits for IU going back to when 247 started doing this (I think going back to 2000) KW has 46 players. He also has 6 currently in the top 10, 5 of those from that great class of 13. All of that seems like a good indication that he had things moving for the better.

      Remember too though that some credit for the 2017 class has to go to CTA, he was here as the DC to help recruit the class and when KW was let go CTA managed to keep every commitment on signing day. I remember wondering if we would even have much of a class to sign.

      What has CTA done in his 1+1/2 classes as HC so far?

      247 sports has those classes at:
      2018, 49th .8490 avg.
      2019, 41st .8575 avg. (currently)

      Both have a higher player average than any of KW’s classes.

      It could be argued that 2018 was IU’s best class, at least in the last few decades. The rank wasn’t as high as 2013 or 14 but the average player rating was higher and shows the depth of the class. 2019 so far has an even higher player average.

      Also CTA currently has 32 players in the top 100 and 3 in the top 10 before his 2nd class is even complete.

      I don’t think it should be hard to conclude that CTA HAS continued to build on what KW started understanding how important recruiting is to building any level of success.

      Now as for wins, well I’m on board with the fact that it is long ago exhausting to watch IU teams almost win a big game. Yes the Mizzou win was nice and even the MSU win but this year’s Virginia win would easily be a better win than MSU.

      Mizzou finished 11-3 so it would certainly be the best so far but MSU finished 3-8 and it took overtime to win that one. Virginia is currently 6-3 with 3 winnable games left. I think they likely win 2 of those, so add in a bowl win and they could realistically finish 9-4 or with a VaTech win they could still even win the division.

      Anyway KW’s 2 bowl seasons were not much of a step forward. 2015 was the year we should have lost to Southern Illinois….should have being the important part there though so good job I guess. It was also the last year before going to a 9 game B1G schedule so wins against SIU, FIU, Western KY and Wake Forest gave us a chance to win 6.

      You think we could have won 6 last year if we trade Wisconsin for say Indiana State…that’s 2015 vs 2017 period…no huge coaching difference…no breakthrough KW moment just one less B1G game and 1 FCS game added to the schedule. How about this year, trade Iowa for SIU and we are 5-4 right now. Don’t mistake the KW years for the glory days folks.

      Now for Penix. Look I’m as excited as anyone that we have a kid with his skills at IU. But think with your July/August brain for a minute.

      IU came into this season with 8 defensive starters gone and looking to play a ton of FR an SO. We had no reason to think the IU defense was going to be close to what we had in 2017.

      I’m guessing the IU staff knew mid-August that Ellison was not playing anytime soon.

      Dawkins wasn’t playing up to what they had hoped.

      So you have a young team with no starting RB, a young D and a choice to make. Go with another FR as your QB and leader or go with the guy that had won the job as starter the year before and that had been the overwhelming team pick for captain? Use Penix as a FR with a young defense or have him 4 years later as a 5th year SR and 4 more CTA recruiting classes in place?

      I want to win now as much as anyone. My wife would tell you all how nuts I am but at that point, August, you have no reason to think this team wins any more games with Penix. You could have hoped, and we did as we always do but the reality was and is that Penix is a FR with a great up side not a guy ready to carry a season.

      Looking back now, yes maybe we beat PSU or Minn with a Penix that has half a season under his belt…or maybe not. PR played well enough to beat PSU. It wasn’t just PR that didn’t show up for 3 quarters at Minn.

      Ok, so again sorry for the repost but I hope this looks and reads better.

      1. Dawkins wasn’t playing up to what they had hoped.

        Numbers tell much..but they also tell so little. Most of us would have placed our bets on his number as the starter for 2018. We draw in a kid from 2000 miles away and risk breaking his heart/belief one week before the opener by naming him the experienced benchwarmer.

        I just wonder how poorly he was playing in practice. We’ll never know. …nor will we ever have any numbers to support so many things of consequence only judged by eyes not our own.

        Penix’s body wasn’t ready…? Dawkins’ mind wasn’t right…? Three guys in the mix for the starting job and Allen has to make the choice a full week before kickoff of the opener? Was he minimizing heartbreak? Was he giving his team a chance to rally around his choice by naming the starter plenty early? I just never understood the necessity to not wait until the eve of the game.
        I also wonder how much commitment was truly given to Dawkins after selling him on the glories of coming so far. Did he use us…or did we use him? Should it really have been Ramsey’s job to lose once you go after a kid once a starter from Arizona in his final year of football, possibly, for ever?

        I don’t necessarily love all numbers. They are documentations without all facts present. They are snapshots. They are often skewed satisfy preconceived notions. They leave out late potential and later promise…They are often as cold as phone numbers with little consideration of intent and treatment of those you blindly trust to teach young men with dignity and respect deserved. They survive in the world of black and white as labels for who will be a winner and who will be a loser. They are support for narrowing the DNA into preferred choices with no room of love in mystery, chemistry, uniqueness, and faith in ability when all odds and rankings say you don’t belong.

        What was Loyola of Chicago’s projected number to play in a Final Four?

  20. Good post, TruthNnumbers….(formerly ‘Truth in Numbers’?).

    My only suggestion would be more white space. White space sells. Opinions are advertisements. Think of your comment box as a way to get them into the store. If you want your potential customer to really notice a particular point….

    then set if off with some white space (and maybe some bold type).

    Paragraph rules need not apply. Use the rules of what’s friendliest to the eye and you’ll get them in the door….and maybe even make the sale.

    1. LOL…not sure to be honest. a few years ago I posted around a bit under various names all similar to that so maybe. Years and years ago I was on Peegs…before Peegs was even Rivals as TDM.

  21. Truth, you certainly got your money’s worth with those posts above. I appreciate the effort you put into them and hope you will contribute more often. Thank you!

    But anyone who has ever taken a statistics class in college knows that you can use statistics to support any story you want to tell. There are always reasons why something does not happen. Anyone can create any hypothesis for why things did or did not happen and find statistics to support that hypothesis. But there’s one statistic that matters most; IU Football has a losing record right now and is going to produce another losing season in 2018. No other stats pertaining to this team’s coaching staff really matters. And for those of us that have followed IU Football for decades, we recognize patterns and therefore can, with confidence, predict the future. (That’s one reason there are so many chronic pessimists within the Hoosier Nation that believe IU’s past in football will continue to determine IU’s future).

    You’re right of course, losing one modestly-rated offensive line recruit does not signal that IU’s recruiting is unravelling, but finishing with a record of 4 – 8 (with eight consecutive losses) or 5 – 7 will cost IU more “committed” recruits from the 2019 class. And those recruits will likely be the best recruits in this class. Maybe T.A. is such a good and decent man, with such a strong appeal to kids and their parents, that he’ll break the cycle and retain all the remaining recruits currently committed to IU, but history tells us otherwise. Maybe IU’s new and improved football facilities are so nice that kids will ignore IU’s performance on the field and focus on how comfortable the facilities will make them for the next four years. But I doubt it.

    You see, most of the current “committed” recruits signed on when they perceived IU to be a program on the rise. Maybe they wanted to be a part of that “break through” T.A. was selling. But when the reality of a 4 – 8 or 5 – 7 season sinks in, a lot of those recruits and their families, being pursued by coaches employed by winning programs, and who are good at planting seeds of doubt in the minds of young men and their parents, they are going to start questioning their original “commitment” to IU. Remember this fundamental fact about human beings: ” most people will avoid what they fear before they will pursue what they desire.” And good H.S. football players fear committing to programs that will continue to lose and/or to programs with a lame-duck head coach.

    So, if history repeats itself and IU finishes 4 – 8 or 5 – 7 for its 12th consecutive losing season, we’ll see more defections from the 2019 recruiting class. And those defections will represent the first dominos to fall in what will become the beginning of the end for T.A.’s program being “inclined upwards.” The hype and the hope will rapidly evaporate like mist on a warm summer day, and the program’s trajectory will flatten out (the key metric will be the final numerical rating and ranking for IU’s 2019 recruiting class) and then begin to descend.

    And here’s one more point. Your use of stats regarding the recent recruiting classes emphasizes the point that a growing number of Hoosier fans have recently made. With improved talent, IU is playing just as bad, if not worse than it used to with arguably worse talent!

    1. “Statistics to support any story”. In my working years I had 24 budgeted departments at 3 locations. Survival at times required a science in number manipulation .

    2. If you think I got my money’s worth before…

      I love numbers and I agree that I could find the right ones to argue either side but I don’t agree with everything you’re saying. I too have followed IU football for decades but I guess I just see different patterns. I understand your point about wins. In the end it is all that really matters and this will be another year of frustration from that point of view.

      I too understand and believe that the passed will continue to influence the future. Where we part ways is the word “determine”. I believe that the influence of that past can be beaten back; it just takes a long, long time.

      Gerry DiNardo has said many times that building a solid program at Indiana is a 10 year job. He says we are in year 8, for him the clock started with KW. I think Gerry underestimated the problem. Indiana has been bad for most of 100+ years. In my mind we are in year 2 and IMO we will need another 3-4 years to even be an ok program, not “solid. And that’s if, if, IU can keep moving recruiting forward.

      BTW by ok I’m thinking 6-8 wins a year including a bowl game so 6-7 to 8-5. We would need to get there and build on that before we could be a solid program winning 8-10 games a year. A great program? Not sure I have enough years left to see that.

      My view of college football is simple. Winning is a combination of good coaching and good recruiting. If either is bad you have a problem. Our recruiting has always been bad, very bad. And for the most part so has our coaching.

      I’m not ready just yet to say CTA is bad, some of you are. Some of you wouldn’t be happy no matter the coach because in my mind the recruiting has to get better or any coach coming here has very little chance of success.

      And don’t misunderstand my earlier post about recruiting. Our recruiting is just now, under CTA, nearing a point where it is not bad…still not good but not bad. That is if this class comes in as good as it looks like it could. AAANNNNDD it continues at that leave or higher. KW’s recruiting was still bad, just better than what we’d had before.

      Here comes more numbers, I’ll try to keep them to a minimum but I did say I love them.

      Lets look at MSU, I’d put them into the solid program category.

      A quick look says before Dantonio got to MSU the avg. player rating was just under .8300. That’s just about the same as KW’s 6 year avg. of .8313.

      Now understand that I look at these numbers with the thinking that you need 4 classes in place at those levels to see the impact.

      MSU won 46% of its games in the 4 years before Dantonio with that level of recruiting. With 4 classes in place at KW recruiting levels IU won 46% of its games in 2016-17. A small sample size for sure. So KW’s coaching and “better” recruiting only got IU to a point equal to where MSU fired there coach. Think about that. IU under KW only just got to where Dantonio started at MSU. That’s why I believe we are in year 2 of Gerry’s 10 year hypothesis.

      BTW IU’s average player rating before KW, going back to 2000 was .7813 and IU won 34% of those games. So from my point of view IU has just climbed out of a deep hole only to find it is still at the bottom of a large hill.

      We’ve all probably heard lose big, lose close, win close, win big. I think there should be 2 levels to that, 1 level for weak teams and 1 level for strong teams. I think KW and now CTA have taken IU to the point of winning close against weak teams and losing close against strong teams.

      Dantonio moved recruiting at MSU to a higher level. He has 12 classes so far at an avg. of .8632 and he has won 70% of his games since having 4 of those higher level classes in place.

      That’s an avg. season of 9-4 under Dantonio; since having his level of player in place.

      It will not be that easy for IU. Because of that “influence of the past” problem IU will of course take longer to get to that level. As much as I like CTA I believe it will take 1 more coaching change. Just not quite yet though. In college sports very few coaches are able to take a team from very bad to very good. I’m sure many of you are making a list now to counter that and so could I but still the number is low.

      I will always believe that Tom Crean was the guy we needed to take IU from really bad to good to almost great. He was never the guy to take IU to great. IU needed TC to build us to the point where the next guy…THE GUY could take us to great. I’m hopeful Archie is THE GUY. But TC was able to take IU from very bad to good to almost great because IU basketball has the past working FOR it; not against it. IU football is decidedly the opposite.

      I believe CTA can take us to ok…a big step up. The next guy will hopefully take us to solid or good. We can worry about THE GUY after the next guy.

      So a few more numbers. I don’t think we’ll know CTA’s impact until his 5th year when he has 4 of his classes in place but for those that care he has won 41% of his games with KW’s recruiting level players.

      Yes that is a small step back and I’ll skip making excuses about coaching transitions and 72% of the defense graduating. ; )

      CTA’s first class had an avg. player rating of .8490 and currently his second is at .8537. If this class holds at near that his 2 year avg. would be .8514. That’s still a good bit away from Dantonio’s level of .8632, but a jump from CW’s .8313. If in CTA’s 5th year IU still only wins 5 games then I’ll have my pitchfork in hand. But until then I’ll keep hoping that IU can keep moving forward, even at this slow pace, because we are moving forward.

      Now if the 19 class bails and the 20 class is a step back I reserve the right to take back most of what I just said. : )

      1. vesuvius13: He has a number next to his name…and he tells the truth. He’s been pretty silent. It should be more than obvious to most regulars here that he never caves to wanting somebody’s head on a stick. He’s also far from an apologist. He doesn’t seem to have a dog in the fight ..or be an “insider.”
        When you have a fan who possesses that level of sincerity along with a thorough knowledge of football growing more silent with each passing week of another disappointing season, it should be the only truth to wake Hoosier Football up from its disgraceful mistreatment of such good people and loyal support. Somewhere along the roads that intersect in greed and complacency, Indiana Football forgot about the few who really care. They have become fewer and fewer. They grow more silent every season. Soon the ‘truth’ in their ‘numbers’ will be zero.
        And not that you care about warnings, Hoosier Football, but you’ll never get them back.

        I toast my beer to vesuvius13. Until this season on Scoop, I simply thought cynicism, sarcasm, anger and defeat were the only things still possibly alive at Memorial. How on earth one Hoosier’s constitution could be strong enough to not allow Hoosier Football to win in the only way it knows possible—by defeating hope. Witnessing such a constitution from v-13 was the only truly stunning victory this football season. Maybe IU Football can someday mirror such a spirit. I do not hold onto such innocence. I believe its spirit to be dead because it’s forgotten to treat every vesuvius13 as #1. There is your ‘truth in numbers.’

      2. The incompetence of an offensive coaching staff to not start the best QB gives me zero confidence they are up to raising the stature of the program. I unequivocally state a Wilson led offense would have had MP starting no later than game 4.

        1. HC,
          The reason I give DeBord a bit of a pass on this, is MP was his kid from the get go. He recruited him when he was at UT, and got him at IU thanks to the FSU fiasco. I can’t see DeBord not pushing to start a kid he wanted that badly, unless he was overruled. DeBord had to know PR couldn’t run his offense anywhere near as effectively, and he (DeBord) would have to take the blame. We all saw what happened with the DeBord offense when a player with the right skill set needed to run it (MP) went in. You could see the potential for it to become a very high powered offense. Would have loved to have seen what the offense could have done with MP in there from the beginning with it fine tuned to MP.

          Unless something comes out to change my opinion, this one lays squarely at TA’s feet. I believe it was a terrible decision by an inexperienced HC at the B1G level. The big question I have going forward is does he realize how big a mistake he made, and will he learn from it. If he learns this lesson, then there is a chance for him.

      3. Truthnumbers – can you provide some information (recruiting numbers) on Purdue…are basically compare Purdue recruiting numbers under Darrell Hazell to Kevin Wilson. An why is the Purdue football program moving upward and Indiana football program moving downward?? Is Jeff Brohm that much of a better coach then Tom Allen?

        1. As pointed out in earlier posts, numbers can be found to support either side. I chose MSU because I thought it was a good comparison given we play similar schedules and they are, I assume, what most IU fans would love IU football to be.

          Purdue is a better comparison in some ways and worse in others. IU79 I assume you either already have an idea of the numbers and are making a point… which I would concede given I’ve already admitted there are numbers supporting both sides. Or you really want to know. Either way here you go.

          Hazell’s first year at Purdue was 2013. He inherited a 4 year player avg of .8239.

          KW started at IU in 2011 and inherited a slightly lower 4 year player avg of .8188.

          PU won 19% of it’s games over Hazell’s 4 years and as you would expect recruiting took a hit. Hazell’s 4 year player avg at PU was .8180.

          IU won 35% of it’s games over the 6 years KW was HC and improved recruiting. KW’s 6 year player avg was .8313

          Here are the numbers you’re looking for.

          Brohm joined PU in 2017 inheriting that Hazell player avg of .8180, he was 7-6 and his first recruiting class was .8469 while his second class is currently at .8629.

          CTA joined IU in 2017 inheriting KW’s 4 year player avg of .8325, he was 5-7 and his first recruiting class was .8490 while his second class is currently at .8575.

          That all points to Brohm doing more than CTA with less. CTA had 2 less wins with players having a higher avg recruit rating.

          I think it would also be fair to point out that in 2017 Bill Connelly had PU’s sos ranked 28th while IU’s was ranked 14th.

          In 2018 Both are of course 5-5 so far. PU’s sos coming into week 11 was again 28th while IU’s was 39th. I would guess with the week 11 games and the remaining 2 games that each team has IU’s ranking will go up a bit while PU’s will go down. In the end I would guess they will be very similar for 2018.

          So is Brohm the better coach? To this point I would say yes, the numbers say he is. But I don’t think the difference in the 2 coaches is as great as some of you think.

          Recruiting has improved under both coaches to around the .8500 – .8600 level. That’s better than either program has had in the past. Brohm has won 2 more total games thru just under 2 seasons.

          The big difference is the head to head at Purdue last year which gave PU a bowl game and that Brohm’s best win is over OSU(9-1) while CTA’s is over Virginia(7-3). But at least we only let Minn blow us out for 3 quarters. ; )

          Here’s were I guess I disagree with you and most of the posters here. I believe BOTH programs are getting better. I understand that wins are all that matter at the end of the day but the thing that I believe will lead to wins, recruiting, is moving in the right direction for both.

          So because I do love numbers:

          These are the 4 year player avg ratings for each B1G team 2015-18 and this years overall record and conference record.

          EAST

          Ohio State .9269 9-1 6-1
          Michigan .8941 9-1 7-0
          Penn State .8929 7-3 4-3
          Mich State .8710 6-4 4-3
          Maryland .8570 5-5 3-4
          Indiana .8389 5-5 2-5
          Rutgers .8341 1-9 0-7

          WEST

          Nebraska .8701 3-7 2-5
          Wisconsin .8569 6-4 4-3
          Northwestern .8484 6-4 6-1
          Iowa .8441 6-4 3-4
          Minnesota .8413 5-5 2-5
          Illinois .8306 4-6 2-5
          Purdue .8236 5-5 4-3

          In the east, conference wins go nearly perfectly in line with player avg.

          The West is a bit more mixed up but other than Nebraska to the bad and Purdue to the good most still fall in line with conference wins vs player avg.

          This also shows why building a program up could be a bit easier in the west.

          Maybe this will help a few understand why I think CTA bringing in a class in 2018 of .8490 and improving on that in 2019 (currently .8575) is a good sign and the the progran IS getting better.

          1. Thank you so much, TruthNumbers…those numbers are nice to know. It really helps me to understand some of the difficulties the current coaching staff is having in winning games.

  22. IU is a dysfunctional program. IU’s 2019 average recruit ranks above only Rutgers, Minnesota and Maryland which doesn’t have a head coach. Hard to look at recruiting as a basis to keep the current staff. IU also trying to sign 2 star developmental quarterbacks and linemen. Expect the average to decline further, probably to where they rank in the standings- above only Rutgers.

  23. The greatest truth in numbers for Hoosier Football is found on the calendar. In the 4th month of any years is exuberance and hype. Add 6 more months to springtime in April and you’ll find yourself at end of the 10th month (October). All hope for any change by the end of this 1/2 year equation shall always equal ZERO. Truth in numbers.

    4th month of year+ 6 months = 10 months = End of October= 0 Hope. Hibernate. Play basketball. Repeat.

  24. Ron, this thread is the least of IU’s problems involving the potential impact it has on football recruits. Just consider the impression that all those empty seats in Memorial Stadium gives the recruits when they take their official visits to IU!

    Step 1: Raise the money necessary to pay a head coach and his assistants at or above the Big Ten’s average coaching compensation. Step 2: Hire a head coach who has proven he can build/lead winning football teams. Step 3: Support the coach in producing IU’s first a winning season in over a decade. Step 4: Give IU’s first winning head coach in over a decade a new, extended contract and a HUGE increase in compensation, minimizing the risk of him getting poached by wealthier Power-five conference football programs. Step 4: Attract enough fans to fill the relatively small seating capacity inside Memorial Stadium. Step 4: Increase the football recruiting budget so that IU’s coach can continue to sign better players from around the country who continue to produce winning seasons.

    It’s not rocket science.

  25. Beer is the easiest solution….It’s why Purdue is filling the stands.

    Sell beer inside Memorial up until halfway through the 3rd quarter and attendance will skyrocket. Not to mention ..all the added $$$ from beer sales.

  26. IU can’t drop football, Ron. That would get IU booted out of the Big Ten and cost it tens of millions of dollars in annual revenue. Ironically, as pathetic as attendance at home games has been for too many years, IU Football still generates a lot of profit for IU Athletics, and that profit (i.e., surplus) funds non-revenue producing varsity sports. And dropping football would put a major dent in the Bloomington/Monroe County economy. What would we do for homecoming weekend?

    Dropping football would make IU and The Hoosier Nation the laughing stock of the midwest and cement IU and the Hoosier Nation as losers. No, it is better to hire administrators, from the Present on down, that understand the value of having a competitive football program and demand they support football beyond their typical lip service. A good start would be to replace Fred Glass with a man or women who is a visionary leader and who refuses to accept that IU Football is cursed to remain a losing program, and who can inspire students, alumni and the local populace to increase support for football. I witnessed that happen at IU as a boy in 1967. If it happened then, it can happen again.

  27. Nobody is dropping football. That’s where the money is.

    A couple years back perennial wrestling power the University of Nebraska at Omaha had just wrapped up yet another national championship. They had three all Americans returning. Newly hired AD and former ESPN talking head, Trev Alberts, dropped the wrestling program (which had just made $150,000 in profit that season) to ‘concentrate efforts on football’.

    They were the national champs…again. They were the favorite to repeat. They were a money maker. Yet the AD dropped the program to ‘concentrate efforts’ on their unpopular football program.

    That’s the pecking order.

  28. Guess you guys are wrong. The IU President was on a local news program and noted that ” this year has been a ‘banner’ year at IU”. Here I thought there was only one definition for banner in conjunction with IU

    A Louisville fan said Louisville needs to pay what ever it takes to hire Brohm.

  29. Many on this site were saying how Tom Allen was a better coach after Brohm’s 0-3 start. Maybe LSU will throw a boatload of cash at our top notch staff. PS- I couldn’t find a score IU’s B1G tournament final even though I live 10 miles from the tournament site. I had to go to the team’s twitter feed to learn they won 3-0. Congrats on the win. But a revenue generating sport? I’m guessing the attendance was um limited.

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