Highlights from Tom Allen’s radio show

The penultimate episode of Inside IU Football aired Thursday night, with Tom Allen recapping the Maryland win and looking ahead to this weekend’s trip to Michigan. Highlights from Allen’s appearance follow:

— On the defensive approach against Maryland: “We came into it and we’re not usually (of) a bend-don’t-break mentality as an overall defense. Never really used that phrase with our team at all, but I knew structurally that’s what we were doing. I just felt like I was concerned with their speed and ability to create big plays. I felt like if we could prevent those big plays and force them into takeaway opportunities and field goals (we could win).”

— On IU’s Big Ten-leading 24 takeaways: “It’s been huge. I think from Day 1, we’ve made a big deal about those since I’ve been here. We emphasize them so much in practice. We drill it every day. We say tackling, takeaways and effort — those are our three staples of our defense. To me, it gives a young defense a chance. When you can create takeaways, it changes everything. It changes field position, it stops drives and creates momentum for your team.”

— On Peyton Ramsey looking refreshed from the bye week: “He maybe showed the most of anybody, in terms of his bounce-back. He was fatigued. He never threw any balls in our skelly or team periods. We let Reese (Taylor) get the majority of those. That was probably a smart thing to do. He needed (the rest). … The key thing is we challenged those guys to really take advantage of that bye week in terms of extra rest and coming into the training room. … Our guys have been great all year of doing the little things we ask them to do. They took advantage of that week.”

— On Logan Justus’ emergence this season: “We really weren’t sure who our kicker was gonna be (this summer) and that was very, very close. … That position is tough. You never know how you’re gonna kick in front of all those people. Sometimes you’re kicking the same distance field goal and then when the game is on the line, it’s different. He’s come through, he’s kicked well and we need more of that these next few weeks.”

— On talking to the team about the need to clinch a bowl game: “We came back from the bye and had our team meeting that Monday and I was very upfront about it. Called it what it was. We know exactly where we are and what we have to do. We want to emphasize what a big deal it is to get to a bowl game. Didn’t do that last year, didn’t talk about it at all. Decided to take a different approach.”

— On the team’s reaction to Allen’s bowl talk: “I just think we have a whole bunch of guys on our team that are brand new to Indiana … I want them to understand what’s at stake. There are different perceptions about (looking ahead to bowl possibilities), but I just think, bottom line, I want this team to understand how I feel about it. … It’s a big deal to get to one. Everyone is shooting for that. This time of year, every radio show, ESPN, BTN — everyone talks about that, going to a bowl game. That’s why I talked about it. It’s a big part of your program. It gets you an extra month of practice and, for me, it’s about having a very distinct objective. That’s the plan.”

— On left guard Wes Martin earning academic all-district honors: “He’s just such a great young man and does an excellent job in the classroom and works extremely hard to balance everything on his plate. He’s just a great leader, one of our captains for two years in a row. When you think of a guy you can count on and trust and depend on, he’s just steady in how he plays.”

— On J-Shun Harris being named a semifinalist for the Jason Witten Man of the Year Award: “He’s so involved, he’s so giving to our community and others around him. He’s such a leader on our team, does a great job in the classroom and performs at a high level on the field.”

— On this week’s matchup with Michigan: “They have a lot of the same guys from a personnel perspective. Defense is very similar. Their best players, except for a couple, area all back. The thing that really sticks out is their quarterback. He’s new. Shea Patterson transferred to Michigan and he’s been a game changer for them in the way they’ve modified their offense to his skill set. They’re more spread. … His ability to escape, beat you with his legs … now they have someone at that position who’s a really good fit for what they want to do. He’s taken it to another level.”

— On Michigan’s defense: “Don Brown does a phenomenal job. He’s great. He had the No. 1 defense in the country at Boston College, and they don’t have four-, or five-star athletes there. They play a ton of man coverage. They play a very aggressive style of in-your-face defense and they have a phenomenal defense line and linebacking corps that smothers you in the run game. They play such tight man coverage that there’s not a large margin for error. They’re sound and creative in their scheme and have a lot of great athletes running the scheme.”

— On ways to beat Michigan: “Bottom line is you have to be able to throw the ball downfield to create running lanes for you. … I think you have to win those one-on-ones. That’s a big key for us and a big thing to look for when you watch the game.”

— On preparing the team for an afternoon in the Big House: “We’ve stayed outside (to practice) even though the weather was really, really cold. We’re expecting it to be that same temperature on game day. We have pumped in crowd noise for our offense. You have to simulate that so you have a great feel. We do it on special teams, especially on our punt unit, and then with your offense. That’s something we do. It’s annoying as a coach because you’re trying to talk to your guys and make corrections, but that’s what you have to do to get your guys ready for that environment.”

— A listener asked how the team is handling the cold weather this week: “Bottom line is we’ve been out in it. It was cold when we woke up this past weekend (to play Maryland). As I tell them, if you dress appropriately, you’ll be fine.”

— On Indiana being the heavy underdog on the road: “I told our team, ‘If you don’t believe, then stay home.’ Because I believe.”

51 comments

  1. “Our guys have been great all year of doing the little things we ask them to do.” Too bad that tackling’s a big thing.

  2. They pump in crowd noise during practice to get ready for the ‘Big House’….?

    Why don’t we do that for our home football games? Sadly, we could have used some for the second half of our basketball game against Marquette as well.
    Just doesn’t seem like Hoosier basketball fans make noise the way they used to in Assembly Hall. I’m going to blame the internet and social media….I think both have destroyed simple fun. Half those in a crowd stare at their devices more than the game. The basketball game or football game is background activity to the keys to the world obsession in the palm…or they’re at the game for simply another photo op shot to stick on a Facebook/Instagram/Twitter page.
    Seats are filled but passion is gone…It’s as if the black & white horror classic from the 1950’s, “Invasion of the Body Snatchers,” has finally found its day of disturbing truth. The original “you” has been stolen, not by a pod, but by a pad…an iPad. All of life’s simple pleasures and unadulterated raw excitement diluted and sucked into a black hole of cyberspace connections and mirrors to look at yourself and “socialize.”

    Simon Skjodt Assembly Hall….What BS to change the name. Simon says make some noise.

  3. Coach Allen says positive things about the players and keeps criticism private with them; It is a shame some posters don’t understand that and criticise coach Allen. IU has two big games left and I hope the players respond with their best efforts of the season. Winning either game or both would be big for this year. As each season over the past decade shows IU needs to figure out how to win games they have a chance to win IE two against UM when taking them into overtime. Doing that this year would give IU 8 wins with vicotries over MN, PSU, and MSU if the 4th quarters finishes had gone differently [not to mention several plays during the game].

    This article and others point out to me that coach Allen learns from previous seasons and shows he is willing to make changes to have better seasons. It doesn’t always equate to improvement right away but instead of being arrogant and thinking he doesn’t have faults coach Allen is willing to change his approach when he thinks it will help the team. I love having a coach like coach Allen but also realize that down the road he doesn’t have the “IT” factor to turn IUFB program around. Right now I think he is the man to get the job done but only time will tell.

    1. V13,
      I believe you have stated the key point of which I am the most concerned, how well does TA learn from previous seasons and mistakes. If he shows a propensity to continually learn those lessons and profit from them, then IU has a keeper. It may take a few years to get IU out of the dumpster, but it could well be worth it. While their FB fortunes were never as bad as IUFB, it took Frank Beamer 6 seasons to build Virginia Tech into the powerhouse they became for a number of years. During those 6 seasons there were a couple 6 win seasons mixed with the rest being losing seasons.

      Not saying TA is a Frank Beamer, but if he can grow into job then why change? IUFB has tried everything else, that is unless you want to cough up the mega bucks, why not see if TA can pull it off? TA is still relatively young for a HC, and could easily be a 20 year or more coach if successful. I can’t think of anything which could stabilize a historically weak FB program better than a long tenured HC with a reasonable amount of success.

  4. Allen has a ton of pride in his Indiana roots. He exudes the local pride and believes in the passion for sports from our home state athletes/fans.
    He seems to be a man of decent character; he is positive in his approach and ambitious to turn things around.
    It’s hard to deny his love for being the coach of Indiana Football.
    He had some misfortune this year by losing some key talent at key offensive positions ─ Dawkins(early departure), Ellison(sexual assault accusation), Penix(injury).

    We can pay more money for an established coach…but will they really be a hot commodity coach or someone soon to be on the decline? Will they be as ambitious and in love with the job as Tom Allen?

    Allen may be as goofy on the sidelines as our former basketball coach, but I think he’s less abrasive when probed by journalists. He’s not arrogant to a level of being distasteful. He seems genuine and accountable.

    Hard to not give him a little more time (1-2 years). How many hires are going to be as ambitious with Indiana Football as Tom Allen (no matter the salary we cough up)? One big win can change a lot.

  5. Yes, we all hope T.A. can grow into the job and learn from previous mistakes. But these days, as compared to when Beamer first became the head coach at VT, coaches don’t have six years to prove they can produce a winning season! It’s not that IU has a short leash, it’s that the better recruits will begin to ignore IU and then the quality of the talent IU signs begins to decline. It’s all about recruiting, and each new IU coach has a limited period of time to improve recruiting and produce a winning season. I suggest that for a football program like IU, a new coach has three seasons before IU’s history and reputation begins to reassert itself. If I’m correct, then T.A. has until the 2019 season to prove he can produce a winning season. After that, the higher level of talent will begin to ignore IU. In fact, I believe IU’s 2016 recruiting class was an indication that Wilson’s ability to sign better talent had begun to decline relative to his previous recruiting classes. That’s why hiring a head coach who has already gone through the learning curve and who has proven he can produce winning seasons is essential for IU Football. That’s why Fred Glass’s low cost strategy of hiring Coordinators has not worked. Maybe T.A. will be the exception, but each losing season he produces, his ability to obtain the talent necessary to produce winning seasons will be diminished.

    1. Po,
      I’m not so sure as I view the Glass strategy as low cost or cheap, as much as I do hyper pragmatic. Realistically to get the caliber of coach you suggest, it will cost a bundle. To deny that would be as Davis says, delusional. The problem with such a big investment is what happens if the big dollar coach you hire, is a bust? There you are, stuck with a huge buyout and the need for even more funds to move on.

      If Glass is motivated by an extremely pragmatic view, then I can’t believe he is not watching the emerging trends in amateur athletics. He has to know that paying college athletes will come sooner than later. Glass also has to know that the only way to fund this new expenditure is to turn IUFB into a much, much larger money maker than it is now or else have to cut other programs. Can’t bail out of FB without leaving the B1G and the large TV contract money with it. Glass has to know he is between the proverbial rock and a hard place. Maybe he hopes to punt the problem down the road to his successor, but that’s not doing the school any good.

      I suspect the Glass gamble is on TA to pull the IUFB program out of it’s eternal ditch rather than risk a bigger problem with a failed high dollar coach instead. You could be right and it just being Fred and the administration being cheap, but it could also be a very pragmatic approach.

      1. Fred sure pulled from the bottomless pit of funds to keep Crean nine years too long. There is plenty of money to purchase a “big time” football coach(hopefully, not a big time farce like the McCracken’s ex). Do what 90% of Americans do to send their kids to pricy colleges…Borrow against your assets..Borrow against your home…Borrow against anything…Inflate your assets. Find loopholes… or simply deceive a willing bank fully understanding your dire finances ..but willing to overlook.
        Please don’t tell me IU doesn’t have the funds or prefers being cheap. Please don’t tell me that garbage after paying ‘The Maple Wizard of Pinocchio Wood’ 30 million to raise cue cards rather than banners at McCracken.

  6. T.A. is not going anywhere. At his current pace he is good until after 2020. A little more than his current pace he is long term. (6, 7 + wins and a lesser win season than those sometimes). However, I feel that T.A. and offensive staff seem to be slow thinking on their feet. Changes, creativity, strategy seems to develop to slow with either fear or lack of confidence to commit to a strategy. That is where the coaching security safe dinks and dunks and run repetitiveness has been a negative issue. More going downfield like against Maryland needed to be there throughout season and committed to it from the beginning along with the run. However, though ugly at times through it all if IU football could manage a 6 or 7 win (including bowl game) season all criticism of T.A. should cease. Just a little monitoring.

  7. And (though Podunkirk won’t want to hear this) as one thing in your life improves, it makes it feel like the other troubling things aren’t as bad.
    Basketball is finally on the amends ….
    Like it or not, for most Hoosier fans, that causes the football pain to be less salient. Not saying that’s the best thing for IU Football, it’s just the reality.

    We’ve been clinging to IU Football a lot over the last nine years…As hopeless as the history can overwhelm at Memorial, there were positives (Wilson & Allen) strongly in contrast to the long and foolish contracts that imprisoned us over at McCracken.

  8. Just tossing this out there. Some years back IU did hire the ‘established’ head coach who had coached at the highest level.

    Gerry DiNardo.

    1. I was thinking the exact same thing Chet. The worst part about the DiNardo hiring was you hired a guy who couldn’t win big at LSU a school which gives you every advantage possible.

  9. “Allen has a ton of pride in his Indiana roots. He exudes the local pride and believes in the passion for sports from our home state athletes/fans. He seems to be a man of decent character; he is positive in his approach and ambitious to turn things around. It’s hard to deny his love for being the coach of Indiana Football.” Harv, that and $2.50 will get you on the subway. I thought the exact same thing about Lynch. Who was 75-61-3 as a head coach before crapping out at IU.

    Which brings us to the strategy of hiring coordinators to become HCs. It’s been written on this board that because of IU’s problems (bad history, apathetic fans), its recruiting strategy should be of course to go after prime talent if it seems attainable, but that consistently finding overlooked diamonds in the rough and coaching them up to B1G level was the most realistic prospect. IU has the same problems when recruiting coaches, plus the added burden of a lot less donor money to work with to pay ’em. But unlike with players, you don’t have to consistently find diamonds in the rough, just that one DC or OC who can “coach himself up” to be a good HC. Prime coaching talent is simply not going to come to IUFB, and if anyone calls me “defeatist” I call him “delusional.” As mentioned, MAC whiz-kid Fleck is stumbling at Minn. (for now) and Brohm is looking good at Pee-yew (so far), but hiring coaches is a crapshoot and everybody should admit it.

    1. But I never saw Lynch as a competent football mind…nor did I feel there was the same level of love affair with the job. For many coaches in our past, the job has seemed more the burden.
      Maybe it’s just a very strong constitution in Allen….He seems to bounce back from adversity quickly. He doesn’t sulk in anything near the manner of Lynch.

      And I agree…A “prime” coach is not going to accept an Indiana Football job.
      Contrastingly, a prime coach would take the basketball job in a heartbeat.
      All the “wrecked the program” stuff was total malarkey.
      Just look how fast a legit coach like Archie has some of the best in-state talent salivating over Indiana again….Parents and recruits are a lot brighter than given credit. Most want to play(or want their child to play) for a coach with a high enough football/b-ball IQ to give them the best chances at being part of a great team. It all begins with competence, genuineness, and visible signs of being a solid teacher. Massive turnovers, poor and porous defense, “weaves to nowhere,” quick ceilings in the NCAA tournament(nine years of never playing in the second weekend), and cue cards doesn’t really convey such qualities in a team/coach. All the aforementioned were the always present symptoms that became the real “wreckers” of a program.

      1. Correction- Lynch was 81-63-3 as an HC before IU. So he must have been a “competent” football mind- at least before he hit the big time. Allen, Brohm, Fleck, the jury is still out on all of ’em. Illinois is paying $4,000,000.00/year a to guy who, over an 11 season run, had a winning HC record in the really, really big time. What are the Illini getting out of that? Crapshoot, I say again. But fer cryin’ out loud, how long can IU keep throwing snake eyes? Right now, I’m hoping that Allen will be that diamond in the rough that will soon shine for IU.

        Brother Chet, yeah, DiNardo. Big time experience and a big bust. Which is why I liked Lynch’s Hoosier-state bona fides. A guy who really wanted to be at IU, not just to use IUFB to advance/salvage a career. I don’t buy that anymore.

        1. I do realize Allen gets a little goofy on the sidelines, but how quickly we forget just how much self-demeaning mockery used to be the entire aura of Memorial.
          Coaches took the place less serious than the fans. They laughed along with radio personalities who would use our losing for punchlines. We put mini playgrounds in the end zones to emulate the same level of hitting taking place on the field. Most of the time, the 10-year-old’s were participating in more entertaining contests.
          This wasn’t a college football atmosphere. It was a Chuck E. Cheese’s …..Then Fred wanted cannons and fireworks. Toughness just emanated from the place. Did I mention bubble gum thrown at a Michigan game as our Woody Hayes moment? Did I mention party favors shot out of a bazooka? Candy-stripes? Candy-a$$.

          This is not damage simply erased like chalk on a chalkboard, my football “brothers.” This isn’t just about winning or losing football. We enabled this beast. Wilson was the first coach who attempted to stop the enabling and the embracing of being the happy loser in the room.
          IU Football is a study in misfit attention being better than none at all.
          A lot of work went into 50 years of unmatched self-deprecating football…No matter the hire, “Let’s get serious” will always invoke these sorts of visuals.

          1. Any of you remember how Michael Dukakis tanked his bid to run for president? Take that visual and multiply it by 100. Now you have what any coach coming to IU Football is up against. What you flippantly make of yourself sticks.

      2. H4H,
        I agree with you totally on the Lynch tenure. I understand giving him the interim job for the one year, but the contract afterwards was sheer insanity. How do you take a team Hep had primed to win at least 8 games, plus the emotional motivation of “win for Hep,” and only go 6-6? That was the bright red flashing lights telling you Lynch was not the solution going forward.

        As for the BB program, I agree that unlike the FB program IUBB is a destination job. Getting a “prime” coach to IUFB can only be accomplished with a lot of cash and guarantees. Even then it is as has been said “a roll of the dice,” except with a whole lot higher stakes. Anyone who believes differently is fooling only themself. I can’t agree with you on the state of IUBB when Crean came in, it was a wrecked program in every sense of the word. Was Crean a long term solution? Obviously not, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt in only one way, he was a means to an end.

        I know you like what Archie is doing, and a whole bunch of the rest of us do too. I laid out this scenario once before, what if Archie builds an IUBB dynasty even greater than what we’ve seen in the IUBB past or maybe even in all of college BB history during his tenure? Obviously I am playing a game of what ifs, but if it were not for the Crean years, there would not have been the Archie years. Another coach instead of Crean might have produced a more palatable IUBB purist’s product on the floor, never won big, but keep the Archie move from ever happening. Only time will tell if Archie can win big and consistently, but if he does, like it or not it wouldn’t have happened without the Crean years.

        1. I’ll be long dead before Archie builds any dynasty. There was a plethora of coaches we could have targeted which would have all been a huge upgrade in teaching and authenticity. Our reputation as a place of hallowed ground for a basketball education was far more damaged by Crean than anything a 3-way call “wrecker” could do(while being the target of a totally bogus NCAA “witch hunt” if I may).
          But back to Archie…I’ll be elated with one Final Four trip. I’m plenty satisfied to not see ‘the righteous one’ on the sideline clapping and pretending.
          Pretty sure Knight’s 3 banners and countless years of big stages are safe in the category of dynasty in my lifetime.

          Don’t get me going further on the state of IU when Crean arrived. Nobody wants to hear it. I only ask that you do your research and understand how buffoons seized the money and power from IU Athletics.
          At the end of the day, Crean served his purpose at IU: Comedy. Harvard’s doctored images(and those by another Scoop/Basketblog far more skilled than I …who I regularly miss for great laughs and inspiration) will keep his storied years at IU alive longer than a stepladder to any future dynasty.

          1. thinkaboutit-
            If I may say one more thing about seizing power at IU Athletics….? I believe what happened at IU under Glass/Crean is simply a microcosm of what we’ve witnessed while democracy has been seized in our national political world.
            How does it happen? Simple when social media and 24-hr news cycles push our buttons. You enter a room of hungry and frustrated people who have lost something(status, pedigree, time, diversions in happiness, liberty, economic mobility, perceived reputation) and you simply bang the drums of what they want to hear very, very hard….and over, and over again. “You wrecked the country!…You wrecked the email server! You wrecked the program! LOCK HER UP! LOCK KELVIN UP!”
            Sadly, it’s the very downtrodden and weak who buy into such methods. I went through nine years of questioning my “brothers” of my alma mater for being so weak. Torches in the streets is not the stuff of “Harvard.” It’s the stuff of ignorance.

        2. thinker, as much as we all loved Hep, he was with us for only a short time, so to presume he was going to win eight in his next year is presuming a lot. Very few coaching trajectories are always upward; Hep could have won six, five, eight, who will ever know? But yeah, Lynch was out of his league.

    2. I’m guessing Wisky dispatches Purdue. Maybe not, but that’s where the smart money is.

      So, whether or not Brohm is succeeding comes down to whether or not the Boils beat IU because, let’s face it, if they lose this will be considered a disappointing season.

      That’s how thin the margin is. If the Hoosiers win that single game the season will be considered a success. If not, it is a failure.

      The very same applies to Purdue. Unless they beat Wisconsin, whether or not this is a successful season will boil down to a single game.

      That tells me the two coaches are not very far apart in terms of their team’s success.

      1. They beat OSU, Chet.
        Sure, it’s a Halley’s Comet win against an OSU team that is still a question mark of inconsistency….But if that happens at IU, we’re throwing a contract at Allen good through 2061(next visit from Halley’s). Put all metaphors aside…Allen would literally be coaching until in the graveyard at “the graveyard for coaches.”
        There would be absolutely zero discussion of going after a new coach. The Oaken Bucket would be a meaningless sideshow compared to a win against a ‘Chokin’ Buckeye.’ Let’s be honest here.

        1. And I could care less what Purdunce does against the spoiled cheese. I could care less about Brohm. …outside of the fact that he should have spelled his name closer to the ‘Rock-a-bye Baby’ guy.
          I did see a score flash by last week involving a Minny-scule team…? Was there a Brohm’s alibi….when the Gophers put the baby to sleep?

          I am indifferent until Indiana must play the stench. It is only until then that I become anxious of the damage it can cause to have inferiority rub off on our programs. A loss to Purdull is akin to the groundhog seeing his shadow. I require many more weeks of winter before willing to show myself.
          I don’t care of their hires. I don’t care who they play outside of us.
          To care on an even casual basis allows them far more relevance than anything on the biggest stages they’ve done to deserve such attention.

    3. BTN payout per school is $37 million per year. That is more than all except SEC at $39-42 million. You can’t earmark 10% for a football coach? Really? I won’t call you defeatist but maybe you want to re-think which side of your argument is disillusion. In addition, the increase in attendance alone that a marginally better record can bring, as shown by Purdue this year, is enough to pay for the entire coaching staff. Football can and should be self-funding.

      1. Doesn’t Purdue now sell beer at games?
        Their coach was paid for by an open tap…They should call him Brohmweiser.

        Sell beer inside Memorial and attendance will jump a minimum of 25-30%. We should attempt to make a deal with Sun King beer out of Indy….I like the ironic twist to the ‘Dark Cloud King’ of losing that has hovered over Memorial. Sun King offers a cream ale….Maybe they’d market a ‘Cream and Crimson Ale’ only sold at Hoosier games?

          1. Because Chet was a fire dept. medic and you were not (at least I don’t think so). But you are an IUFB loyalist, so a lower case “b” brother is implied where you are concerned. That goes for everyone else here, too, we can’t have hurt feelings in our wonderful tribe of IUFB backers. “sister” if there are any Hoosier mamas posting!

      2. 123,
        You ask the perennial elephant in the room question. What exactly are they doing with the 37m per year? Certainly not using on what is actually brining that kind of revenue to the school, and that is without question college FB! Here’s the real problem I keep raising over and over again, what is IU going to do when it has to pay more for college FB players? This is coming, it is only a matter of time before paying college athletes will be mandatory. Can’t drop FB, out of the B1G you go along with the lost 37m per year.

        We all love BB, but BB doesn’t bring in anywhere near the revenue for college athletics that FB does. When you have to start paying for the over 100 athletes on the FB team, where is the money going to come from? Those pet programs or projects you’ve been funding all these years from the 37m when you should have been using it building the FB program will have to come to an end. That is, unless you start getting the FB program into the big money maker it should have been all along, right now.

  10. We’re gonna learn a lot about the IU Football team tomorrow.
    On the upside, we’re gonna be on national television playing a team picked to be in the final four of college football’s playoff. Fantastic viewership audience. On the downside, we’re gonna be on national television playing a team picked to be in the final four of college football’s playoff. Fantastic viewership audience.

    Will we once again solidify our reputation as a basketball school….or will we once again solidify our reputation as the devil’s den for sinfully inadequate football?

    Michigan basketball routed Villanova…. by four touchdowns (73-46). I’m hoping our football team can stay as close. Hope it’s not 73-10.

  11. Regardless of how it looks sometimes; 1. T.A. Is enthusiastically competitive that’s a positive for IU fb. He believes to the point he thinks he believes. 2. He is not doing that bad of a job thus far though the verdict is still out.

  12. Currently, on this Saturday Maryland athleticism is showing up as they have recently recruited fairly high rated classes. Plus earlier win over Texas but not IU.

  13. 123, bravo! Your second-to-last post nailed it and was excellent. Thank you!

    Some of you guys have to stop misrepresenting the statements people make on this board. No one, as far as I’ve read, and especially not me, is advocating that IU go out and hire a “big name coach.” There is a huge difference between hiring a “big name coach” and hiring a man who has lead teams to winning seasons. Hep was not a “big name” coach when IU hired him. Mallory was not a “big name” coach when IU hired him. Corso and Pont were not big name coaches when IU hired them. But each of those guys had proven they could build and lead football teams to produce winning seasons. Brohm was not a “big name” coach when Purdue hired him. I’m only suggesting that IU return to the only hiring strategy that has ever produced success for IU football. Find a man who has coached a mid-major program to winning seasons and pay him such that he see’s the IU job as a major advancement in his career. So please, stop with the “big name coach” BS. A man like Seth Latrell is not a “big name coach,” but he is a man who has proven he can coach teams to winning seasons. And I’ll bet that if IU offered him what Purdue is paying Brohm, he’d be delighted to take the IU job.

    And no one is suggesting that IU spend a “boat load of money” to hire a football coach. How about we offer a coach compensation that is equal to the midpoint of the Big Ten Football coaches? How can Purdue pay Brohm $3.5 million per year but IU can’t afford that? Is that a “boat load” of money? No, it’s the average Big Ten football coaching compensation! Why does IU’s football coach have to be the lowest or second lowest paid coach in the Big Ten? In relative terms, if you offer a man enough money, you’ll be amazed at how many people apply for the IU job. But Fred Glass won’t even attempt it, because Fred’s a cheap-ass, risk-averse, bean-counting manager, but definitely not a visionary leader.

    davis, sorry to say it, but I’ve read your posts above three times and it certainly suggests that you have a defeatist attitude. I will say that you do have a lot of company in that camp! There are a great many Hoosier fans who agree with you, which is why IU Football continues to be a losing program. Too many Hoosier fans have just accepted that IU will never have a winning football program. That’s the definition of a defeatist attitude. And it’s that attitude that for decades has allowed IU’s top administrators to keep their jobs in spite of gross neglect and incompetence. The Hoosier Nation is getting the Football program it deserves.

    Bill Lynch was NEVER qualified to be a BIG TEN head football coach. It was a disaster to give him a five-year contract after Hep died, and just another example of IU Administration’s inept management of the Athletic Department. And they could only get away with such stupidity because of the Hoosier Nation’s chronically low expectations regarding football. Hiring Lynch set IU Football back a decade.

  14. Kansas, a “basketball school” if ever there was one, and one of the very few schools with a football program that has been worse than IU over the last two decades, is in the process of hiring Les Miles, a “big name” football coach who has won a National Championship. How can this be? How is that possible? How does a “big name” football coach decide to accept the job of transforming one of the worst football programs over the last 20 years? How did Kansas come up with the money to even consider hiring a “big name” coach like Les Miles? Oh man, that’s got to be salt in the wounds to a lot Hoosier fans with a defeatist attitude! I can’t wait to read all the comments that will try to explain why what Kansas is doing with Miles could never happen at IU. Some people will twist themselves into pretzels trying to explain why it would be impossible for IU to hire a man like Les Miles. I’m chuckling in anticipation!

    Regardless of how it turns out, you have to tip your hat to the administrators and boosters that run Kansas. That was a bold move made by a school that decided it will no longer tolerate its football program being a punching bag and a floor mat. I wonder if Fred Glass is paying attention?

  15. PO- in the post above mine, Harv referred to “prime” coach; you have indeed been consistent about the need to hire a proven, winning mid-major HC, not a “prime” or “big name” coach. So I don’t think I’ve misrepresented you. But as I’ve said before, our difference is that you think Glass is hoarding (or blowing) millions somewhere other than the FB salaries, and I just think that the money is not there to hoard, squander, or spend on FB staff. Even if the money is there, Glass may be aware that if he let drop that he is thinking of spending three or four million a year on a FBHC and a like sum on assistant coaches, he’d be on his way back to practicing law in a New York minute. Lack of support for IUFB is a malaise running all through the IU body; you can’t dump it all in Fred Glass’ lap.

  16. Not a pretzel & could care less what Kansas does. Good luck to them. Allen gets a few years to put his program together, if not, he’ll be walking. IU , I’m sure, could pay more and Allen will get his reward if he exceeds expectations. In other IU sports Glass seems pretty successful. Somebody a few years back kept comparing Louisville Athletic program successes to IU. So much for that.

    1. I’m sure you knew it would all come crashing down. Nice one Ron. I’m sure you predict futures with tarot cards right?

  17. Where is a prediction? Possibility – yes. Where was I defensive ? Mockingbirds are fascinating, can listen to them for hours. You, not so much.

  18. davis, how is it that a school like Kansas can find the money to hire a “big name” coach like Miles, and Purdue can find the money to pay Brohm about $3.5 million per year, but IU doesn’t have the money? How is it IU can spend tens of millions to upgrade IU’s football facilities, but can’t raise funds to hire a proven head coach? It’s Fred’s job to raise the money necessary to hire a football coach who can build a program that produces winning seasons. That’s his job! I recently read somewhere that not filling Memorial Stadium’s 53,000 seats for every home game costs IU at least $1 million per home game. That’s six to seven million of lost revenue per year before you even begin to consider donations made to IU’s Athletic Department. You could take a third of that $7 million, or whatever the number is, and use it to make IU’s football coaching compensation budget competitive. No one is suggesting that IU can or will ever pay what MI, OSU, or PSU pays their football coaches, but we can certainly do a lot better than we’ve been doing over the last decade or so.

    I do agree with a portion of your last sentence in the above post, “Lack of support for IUFB is a malaise running all through the IU body; you can’t dump it all in Fred Glass’ lap.” You’re right, it’s not all Fred’s fast. But he’s supposed to be a leader. He’s supposed to lead the Hoosier Nation into backing IU Football. And when he makes comments in the press suggesting that no proven head coaches will even consider IU, when he tells the coaching recruiters he hires to focus on Coordinators, he’s admitting defeat and failing to be a leader.

    If I had won that recent lottery that had a net payout of $960 million, I would approach McRobbie and IU’s Board of Trustees with an offer they could not refuse. After funding a bunch of scholarships for underpriviledged kids, I’d offer to make the biggest donation in the history of IU Athletics on two conditions: First, Fred Glass would be retired, terminated or given a different job and replaced with an AD that is committed to having a winning football program. Secondly, a big portion of the money I’d donate would go toward funding IU’s coaching compensation and recruiting budgets, for all sports, into perpetuity. IU would never have to worry about having the money to hire and/or retain the coaches it needs to make IU competitive in every varsity sport it chooses to participate in. I’ll bet that would transform IU’s football program from a loser into a winner within five years.

  19. PO, I have no idea about the funds, and mindset, for football available at Kansas or Peeyew. And from my own service on the boards of a couple of non-profits, I know that it is way easier to raise money to upgrade facilities than to fund operating costs (salaries). But you are right that it is Glass’ job to raise money for football, or at least it should be- but IU being what it is, raising money for football salaries doesn’t figure very big in the IUAD job description.

    And you don’t have to apologize for being straightforward and calling me out as defeatist (although I prefer “realist trying to explain what is wrong with IUFB”). I did enjoy reading your your lottery fantasy, but won’t call you delusional, I’d spend it the same way (but I’d actually have to buy a ticket first).

    PO, why don’t you run for the IU board? Seriously. 3/9 of trustees are elected by the alumni and alumnae. From time to time I get a ballot and info about the candidates, and I do vote, but I can’t remember anyone I ever voted for, let alone recall why I voted for any of them. But certainly I never saw a “Let’s rev up the football program” plank in any candidate’s platform. I’m SURE that I would remember that! You could be the guy that comes to the Board meetings dressed up as the ghost of John Pont with withered roses in hand and a rattling chain in in the other to warn these football Scrooges that they will suffer sleepless nights until they unpack the treasure chest and spring for proven FBHC. Actually, the next board mtg. is in Kokomo Dec. 6 and 7, you could just do your schtick during the public comments segment of the meeting.

  20. davis, if I lived anywhere near the state of Indiana, I’d probably run for a seat on the Board. Instead, I have a very dear friend who is currently very influential within IU, and I’ve just worn him out with my opinions and suggestions for change/improvement, not just on the subject of IU Athletics, but on a variety of issues involving academic curricula, out-of-state student admissions, the embarrassing condition of IU’s student dormitories and a variety of other issues affecting IU’s reputation. If I was ever elected to the Board, I assure you that I would quickly become the most unpopular member because I’d have a very hard time disguising my disdain for that malaise you referenced earlier. The day I lose my passion for IU is the day they’ll spread my ashes.

  21. PO- the side of under funding the football program that I wonder about is how much pull BTN has with the league? At what point do they start to ask why IU, getting paid $37 million per year, can’t afford to pay coaches as much as several Conference USA Teams? BTN has a lot at stake and allowing teams like IU to field inferior football teams dilutes the value of the BTN investment. What if BTN decides to negotiate increasing the payout if IU is dropped and a school like Notre Dame or Oklahoma are added? Both of those programs are not only football powers but also have strong basketball programs as well.

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