Indianapolis WR Baker commits to Hoosiers #iufb

The run of success on the recruiting trail continued for Indiana football on Friday night.

Indianapolis Scecina wide receiver David Baker announced his commitment to the Hoosiers via Twitter, becoming the 11th member of IU’s 2020 recruiting class and second wideout, joining four-star Rashawn Williams of Detroit, Mich.

The 6-foot-2, 196-pound three-star recruit, who made an official visit to Bloomington earlier this month, selected Indiana over offers from Duke, Cincinnati, Iowa, Louisville, Michigan, Purdue and Washington State among others.

Baker is rated the No. 6 player overall in the state of Indiana by 247Sports.com and is No. 159 nationally. As a junior at Scecina, he had 63 receptions for 799 yards and 11 touchdowns. Those numbers were actually down slightly from his sophomore season, when he made 60 catches for 971 yards and 14 touchdowns.

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  1. It is good to get Baker committed to IU and keep the recruiting momentum going for the 2020 class. IU needs good receivers coming in [Williams 4 star is already committed] to replace Westbrook and Hale after this year.

  2. Until they start winning games, recruiting is going to continue to struggle versus the results of other conference teams.

  3. IU ranks last in average stars per player, the metric V says most accurately measures recruiting. Not good and not the way to climb the ladder.

  4. Technically Rutgers is in last if you’re using that metric. Illinois has three commits. Eight B1G schools (IU being one of them) are within 3 points of each other on the composite scale. IU is doing just fine and especially in June.

    1. Ahh you’re using Rivals. Three of IU’s commits haven’t been graded yet on Rivals and count as a zero for their score. Common sense will tell you that IU’s score will go up once those kids with zeros are graded out.

      1. It will go up but will still lag behind most of the Big Ten. How does the program improve if you don’t recruit at a level with your competition?

        1. Can you explain how Wisconsin is one of the winningest programs in college football the last ten years? Did they bring in top classes every year the last ten years? No. They brought classes loaded with three star kids with a few four star kids sprinkled in. You don’t need classes filled with four and five star kids to build a winning program. You need classes filled with solid football players who will buy into the program.

  5. “Doing just fine” when they’re losing ground to most of the Big Ten after back to back 2-7 seasons makes no sense. Never understand why IU fans are so accepting of losing football, but they are.

      1. Not sure why you would say that since presented “facts” to support what I said. You may not believe in the ratings services rankings but, if we’re going to rate classes, why do those figures only count when the news is good?

        1. Not a troll but also not willing to spin things disingenuously. Been an IU football fan since Pont, which is far longer than you.

          1. Jeremy,
            It is kind of funny, I don’t seem to see IU last on any of those lists. Amazing how things change when you put the real facts out.

    1. Being an IU football fan isn’t easy. IU is one of the losingest football programs in D1 history after all. There have been many years where I knew they would stink and they did. Again, I’m optimistic this season but I don’t have the highest of hopes. Realistically 6-6 with a bowl bid will be a HUGE success. CTA is building the program for long term success. Nobody said it was going to be easy.

      1. FS,
        Not one of the losingest programs in D1 history, but according to ncaa.org, THE losingest program in D1 FB history.

      1. That is just a glitch in the rates right now because three commits haven’t been rated as yet. Once they get rated we will have a truer average for this class.

      1. Awww Chet,

        Now go easy on WLt, since your intervention with the new moniker, been seeing a slow recovery from West Laffyism. On the other hand, think we might have another in need of an intervention.

  6. Bear Down, what your critics on this site don’t appreciate is that the vast majority of IU Alumni, students and general fan base are more closely aligned with your perspective about IU Football. Few of them are optimistic about 2019 or the future of TA’s program. In fact, most of them have no idea how well TA’s recruiting class stacks up against other Big Ten teams and they care even less. Football is a distant afterthought to the vast majority of The Hoosier Nation. Generations of them have had the hope and optimism beaten out of them. They’ve long since lost hope of IU ever being a school with a winning football program. They can’t even imagine it. And those few of us who still care enough about IU Football to pay attention and comment on things like IU Football’s recruiting class rankings fall into two separate groups; those who are perpetually optimistic regardless of the facts, and those that analyze the facts and conclude that nothing has changed, or changed enough to make a difference. You have to love anyone who still cares, but it’s just that the people in one group don’t understand that “hope is not a strategy.” As Cub fans learned a few years ago, it takes strong leadership and a lot money to transform a perpetual loser into a winner. Regardless of how good a coach TA may be, he does not enjoy the benefit of either at IU.

    1. You make a lot of firm, definitive statements about the opinions of IU fans.

      Could you show the class the source of your data? Or are you just stating your opinion and applying it to “the vast majority of IU alumni, students and general fan base” based upon nothing?

      Can’t wait to see those numbers.

    2. I guess IU is broke and doesn’t care about football. Kinda like when you raved on for a couple of months about IU not being willing to spend up for an OC.

  7. There is a 3rd group – consisting of 1 fan. The Pontificator. Posts long dissertations of opinion.

  8. Will 2019 IU football see Scott running for yardage inside and James playing often along with the other running backs utilizing their strengths; while completing passes downfield sticking ball in end zone vs Ramsey getting beat up trying to survive out of backfield?? Throughout IU football history best success has come when the offense has complimented and helped the defense except for rose bowl year when defense would often rise up to help save the day. (especially old oaken bucket game). Not much is being talked about regarding 2019 IU football defense.

    1. Watching James HS highlights, inside running is his strength IMO.

      On defense, the DT/NT position are my biggest concerns. I’m hoping Juan Harris or big Sio will be able to clog up some of those run lanes that opposing backs were gliding through last year. If not, we’re going to be in a lot of shootouts.

  9. If IU could successfully play a shootout type game. Maybe, just some good play where both, offense and defense come through consistently at the same time. Rather, not out of balance where offense plays well and defense plays poorly or defense plays well and offense plays poorly.

  10. Make up your minds, guys. You denounce Bear Down as a “troll” when he uses data to support his opinion that IU’s recruiting class is ranked near the bottom of the Big Ten. You dispute his source of data and dismiss his conclusion even when he provides facts to back it up. If you don’t like the message, you dismiss the messenger. I guess there is little tolerance for fans who examine IU Football through a realistic lens.

    At the risk of writing too many words for HC to absorb, let’s examine data that supports my opinion. How about IU’s home game attendance over the last six seasons? From 2013 through 2018, IU’s average home game attendance declined from 44,460 in 2013 to 40,964 in 2018 (it declined by almost 3,000 per game from 2017 to 2018). From 2013 through 2017, IU ranked 52nd in home game attendance, just ahead of that juggernaut East Carolina. (Purdue had college football’s highest attendance increase in 2017, averaging 47,884 per home game in Brohm’s first season). How about IU’s football ticket prices? In 2018, the average ticket price for Big Ten football games was $129.00. IU’s average ticket price was less than $55.00 and we still couldn’t fill Memorial Stadium! How about the number of empty seats in Memorial Stadium to start the second half of games? Too difficult to measure, but a blind man could see all the seats that remain empty through the end of the game. How about the number of people outside Memorial Stadium vs inside during the games? Again, you don’t need data because it’s obvious that there are more people outside the stadium than are inside watching the game.

    I know, the truth hurts. But don’t shoot the messengers.

      1. But highly accurate. One look in the grandstands or at the weekly standings on any given year or the recruiting rankings tell the story clearly. As a long time fan, I find it sad, bit that doesn’t change the facts one bit.

          1. I think it’s too soon to have a good answer for that. Allen was a first time college head coach, and it’s shown in some of the things he’s done.

            He chose to coordinate the defense, not realizing how that would detract from his role as the leader of the program. He cleaned out the offensive coaching staff and hired some guys who were either a little too light in experience or past their expiration dates. And he reassigned some coaching duties with less than positive results (see special teams). On the plus side, he seems to have upgraded the S&C staff, which hopefully will start to show results.

            Maybe most telling is his tendency to hype things before they produce results (the aforementioned S&C situation is a good example). Experienced leaders usually speak little, preferring to let the results do the talking. Allen hasn’t done that, and it’s hurt his credibility a little (Breakthrough, LEO).

            The incoming recruiting class looks decent, but it’s largely an unknown quantity. It spite of all the happy talk, it still rated in the bottom half of the conference and it looks up at the best of the Eastern division.

            Entering 2019, IU is unsettled at quarterback and not at a Big Ten level along the offensive or defensive lines or at linebacker. Strengths appear to be the offensive and defensive backfields, with the wideout position a potentially solid group. All of this is on a squad that is 4-14 in the conference over the last two seasons.

            So, until there are some actual results on the field, I don’t see an upward trend that is anything more than wishful at this point. I know this will cast me as a troll by some here, but I’m not bothered by that in the least. I’d much rather have a realistic discussion than engage in fluffy talk. If anyone’s up for that, great. If not, I’ll read and post when I have something to say.

          2. FS,
            I think BD said everything in the first sentence, it’s too early to tell. In my mind the biggest unanswered question is at QB. Until we see Penix and Tuttle on the field, we really don’t know what we have. A dynamic QB can change/cover up a whole lot of shortcomings, but to this point, again, we really don’t know what we have. As for the remainder of the team, for the most part, I wouldn’t disagree with BD’s assessment.

            A lot has been made about the 2020 recruiting and I wonder if a lot of it is the company you keep. You could be Vanderbilt with the lowest rated class in the SEC thus far, and still have a better class than the bottom third of the B1G. You could be IU and still currently have a better recruiting class than the bottom third of the Pac 12. You could be Auburn with the current #25 class and be next to last in the SEC west, but you would still be solidly in the upper half of the B1G recruiting.

            Truth of the matter is, it don’t really mean a thing until they line up on the field. The ratings give us some idea of what to expect, but some of the greatest players in FB history, the ratings missed.

    1. PO, if you believe any of the figures you read about college football attendance, try this on for size:

      “Interestingly, Purdue’s official attendance took the highest jump in the country last season, up 13,433 fans per game, but the school said they couldn’t report the scanned figures to the Journal because of “outdated equipment, connectivity problems and user error.” [Makes one wonder what kind of engineering degrees they’re handing out it W. Laffy.]

      And at Michigan, where the Wolverines hold claim to a streak of 100,000-plus attendance in every game since 1975, attendance stats showed two games in 2017 where scanned tickets dipped below 80,000. Don’t worry, there’s a wonderful explanation for that discrepancy:

      A Michigan spokesman said surges of fans at gates just before kickoff sometimes prompt workers to tear tickets rather than scanning them. Michigan counts the media, stadium workers and marching bands in its announced attendance.”
      https://deadspin.com/breaking-college-football-programs-juice-their-attenda-1828731086

      The original article was in the Wall St. journal. I believe that more people regularly attend Meatchicken and OSU games than do IU and subdural puss accumulation games, but that’s about it.

  11. Chet, isn’t this site intended for projecting one’s opinion?

    There is no data that would ever satisfy you. You just don’t want to hear anything that questions anyone’s reason for being optimistic. Maybe someone will commission a scientifically valid poll involving 10,000 Hoosier fans, asking them to rate their level of interest in and optimism for IU Football. In the mean time, why don’t you provide data that proves my opinion wrong?

    1. This site is absolutely for projecting one’s opinion. However, you project you opinion and declare that your opinion is the one that counts because “the vast majority” stands behind you based on…nothing.

      Share your opinions. I agree with many of your views. Always have. Disagree with some. Always have. But, don’t claim that you represent the majority…or anyone else.

      You don’t. You represent you and your opinion.

      Just express your opinion and don’t make those kind of blanket statements that just make you look foolish.

      1. Yup, I sleep about about 4-5 hours a night almost never over 5 1/2. Probably some kind of insomnia. Occasionally the need arises to sleep and I’ll read 1 of the Pontificators novels and the positive is sleep occurs quickly.

  12. Bear- Not that I agree with all of your points, but you did make some good ones. And I wouldn’t say you sounded like a troll there. You sound more like an “I’ll believe it when I see it type”.

    The whole “Breakthrough” theme certainly fell flat. I can agree with that. I think Richard Lagow had more to do with that then anything. His poor QB play cost IU a few wins that season. But LEO? That’s a culture thing that TA is trying to influence into the program and I’m all for it.

    Unsettled at QB? Yes. Solid/Good options at QB? Yes. IU isn’t the only school with QB battles going on.

    I don’t agree with the OL not being B1G caliber at all.

    The DL is a question mark to me. But it’s not like the group is made up of Division 3 level guys. Most of the group had offers from traditionally bowl bound teams.

    The LB group is young but there is plenty of talent there. Again, most of the group had offers from more football tradition rich programs.

    1. To me, LEO should be an internal thing, especially if it’s about establishing a culture. Not everything needs to be broadcast to the public, something I hope Allen is learning.

      The rest:

      I don’t know if IU has good, solid options at QB. Ramsey is steady, but with a ceiling that probably limits the offense. Penix oozes potential bit he’s barely played and tore up his knee, missing valuable time in the Spring. Tuttle was #3 at Utah and hasn’t taken a snap since his senior year of high school. All of them will be playing for a new OC / QB coach.

      On the O line, IU lost three of the five starters and and must fill those spots with unproven and largely inexperienced players. Depth is also an issue here. Crock is the only guy there who starts for many other teams in the conference.

      The DL and LB groups are light on experience, and there’s no way to know how good any of them will be. There question marks for those units are everywhere, especially due to youth and inexperience. Allen is a really good defensive coach and I suspect he’ll stay more involved there than he thinks. Too hard to shake that off. But it’s a young crew on that side, and there will be some growing pains.

      1. BD,
        I’m taking a wait see attitude on the offensive side of the ball, but I do have certain amount of comfort regarding the defense. I reserve the right to be wrong, but I think the defense is in very good hands. Bigger concern is we had better enjoy young Wommack while we have him. He come from premiere defensive coaching stock, and in this case, I think he will prove to be just as good as his father. I do not think TA would be anywhere near as good a defensive mind as he is without the influence of the elder Wommack. Neither do I think TA would have moved young Wommack through the ranks so quickly without seeing a very similar mindset to that of his father and TA himself.

      2. I can agree with your assessment of Ramsey but I do think he’s a little better than some people give him credit for. I’m a little partial to Penix because I’ve followed him since his HS days and attended a handful of his games. I was pretty surprised that IU was able to get him because he had the look of a future stud while slinging the rock all over the field at Tampa Tech HS. Although a brief cameo for IU, he certainly looked like the same kid I saw on his HS field. Tuttle is/was highly regarded but you’re right about him being an unknown. I’ve seen his HS highlights and his clips from the 2018 Utah spring game, but I really can’t say how good him really is.

        I can’t argue about your views of the defense. Like you said, they’re mostly light on experience and we don’t yet know how good they can be.

      3. I don’t think Turtle should be assigned any baggage because of his experiences at Utah. They have had nine offensive coordinators in the past 11 years.

        Interestingly, last season’s Ute OC quit his position which had a total compensation package over $600k to take the head coaching position at Sacramento State which pays $187,500. While I understand a HC position is considered a step up, that is a brutal pay cut. You can’t help but wonder if there is something untoward going on in the O room when you have a crazy rate of coaching turnover and the last guy left to take a nearly 70% pay cut.

  13. Think- That last statement you made is very true. We don’t really know until they actually hit the college field. Recruiting rankings have come a long way but are far from exact.

  14. Recruiting rankings. Get enough highly ranked recruits plus competent or good coaching = High percentage of win success.

  15. Glad I can be of help, HC. The following will help you go back to sleep.

    Chet, when have I ever declared that my opinion is the one that counts? I’m just stating my opinion, as was Bear Down, and we were attacked for it. Here’s what I wrote, “the vast majority of IU Alumni, students and general fan base are more closely aligned with Bear Down’s perspective about IU Football. Few of them are optimistic about 2019 or the future of TA’s program……” That’s my opinion, and I believe it’s supported by the data I presented about attendance, ticket prices and people leaving the stadium at halftime, etc.

    I have numerous family members and even more personal friends who are IU alumni and who don’t even think about IU Football, if they ever did. They couldn’t name IU’s head coach to save their lives and wouldn’t recognize Tom Allen if he knocked on their front door! I’ve told the story about my friend who never missed a home game while we at IU. He’s lived in Indy his entire life and is very successful. He loves IU, and his three children and wife are IU alums. He has basketball season tickets, but hasn’t attended an IU Football game in over a decade. He is emotionally divorced from IU Football, and while his disdain is probably more intense than most, it is not unusual. Last fall I visited another close friend in Indy with plans to attend the IU – MSU. We were at a big party Friday night, and when I told people that I was in town to see the game, the reactions were surprising. There was confusion (“what game?”), good natured teasing (“why would you waste your time?” or “you must be a glutton for punishment”) or thinly vailed ridicule, as in “cool people don’t attend IU Football games.” I was shocked by the collective contempt these IU alums/fans had about IU Football. My friend and I were the only people at this large party who attended the game.

    So I’m pretty sure that Bear Down’s skepticism is consistent with the majority of IU Alumni, students and general Hoosier fan base. And IMO, it’s not going to change until IU produces a winning season.

  16. Winning Seasons as in plural more than one = Few or more = Several. Definitely more than one.

  17. As any season comes around for any team, until they hit the field [really not until they play several conference games] no one knows what the team will be like. I have no problem with posters that aren’t as optimistic about IU and coach Allen but need not be personal when disagreeing. Even the top teams in the country have their detractors among the school’s fans so there is no reason for IU to be different.

    IUFB has abused fans for far too long to think the stadium will fill up for games; be as successful as Iowa has then lets see if the fans come.

  18. t, knowing IU’s Administration, TA will produce a winning season, get an offer of $4 million per for five years from another Power-five conference school and IU’s Administration will decide not to match it. After TA resigns, Fred Glass will announce “we don’t need a search firm to help us identify coaching candidates, we already have a great leader on staff.” Then he’ll announce DeBoer is IU’s new head coach and that his compensation package $1.75 million per for seven years with performance incentives. He’ll consider hiring a new head football coach at well below market value to be a great accomplishment.

  19. Rebuilt offensive and defensive lines plus a first year offensive coordinator is not the usual recipe for a breakthrough winning season. Could it happen especially with better quarterback play (Penix, Tuttle)? Sure. Am I EXPECTING it to happen? Unfortunately no. But it will happen some year. And when it does, we will all get to celebrate like college students again.

  20. Currently, IU talent level might fair better as an independent. Not that they would win big but they could pick and choose match ups and play what some independents have historically done creating an over ranked team/program. I say this in IU defense in the sense that how many teams/programs consistently ranked outside top 15 could actually realistically consistently win given the IU conference schedule. Sure IU can do better but realistically consistently how much better. IU just has such a tough game in game out year in year out conference schedule. Middle and upper big dogs that have decent to great football tradition makes up teams that IU plays in big ten. However, an accomplishment might be IU football working their way out of the cellar. How far can they get, creates good and debatable conversation.
    Many years IU had basketball and soccer, swimming, and the big basketball tradition. IU needs either basketball to come back nationally or football to be relevant.

  21. t, good points and I hope IU football gets better and starts knocking off some of the top teams. We have seen it with other programs from the past and IU could be like those teams IE VT, NW, Kansas State, Wisconsin, Iowa. IU is getting better players in the two classes coach Allen has recruited and as they gain experience who knows how good IUFB could be.

    1. I would agree. I might also add pUKe to that list. Their climb has been been do to recruiting and development. Something about the name Stoops being a catalyst for both. Allen seems to be fitting that model.

      1. Stoops recruited well and the admin stuck with him after his first three seasons after finishing 2-10, 5-7, and 5-7. Hats off to their admin for sticking with him. I always said if it didn’t work out for Kentucky, atleast the shelves would be pretty stocked for their next HC after all of Stoops solid recruiting classes.

  22. One thing that T.A. has going for him that I think is noticeable by more than just me. It is something that isn’t seen in all coaches or people; high character principled internal resolve. This seems to be a needed match for IU football program.

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