Cronk out for season, Penix still “game-time” decision

While one key piece of Indiana’s offense continues to work his way back, another is officially sidelined for the year.

IU coach Tom Allen confirmed Monday that senior left tackle Coy Cronk, a captain and fourth-year starter on the line, is out for the year after injuring his ankle in last weekend’s win over UConn. He will have surgery this week, Allen said.

“Not career-ending, so he’ll bounce back, but just a tough break for him. Love that guy, just everything he brings to our program and has brought to our program,” Allen said.

That forces another adjustment on the part of a Hoosier offense that has already been without redshirt freshman quarterback Michael Penix Jr. for the last two games with an undisclosed injury.

For the third week in a row, Penix will be a game-time decision, though it appears he is making progress. Allen said the lefty signal caller, who has dressed but hasn’t thrown passes in pregame warmups, should be available to practice and throw ahead of IU’s road game at No. 25 Michigan State.

“That’s the expectation, he’ll be practicing this week and getting himself ready and we’ll see how his body responds to that,” Allen said. “So that will be the case tomorrow and on Wednesday. And then Thursday, we should have a pretty good idea where we’re at and then announce it at kickoff.”

Allen has said all along that Penix’s injury shouldn’t be a long-term issue. But if he isn’t ready to go this Saturday, a bye week would afford him even more time to get right.

“There’s no doubt that would give you an extended period of time. But my approach will be if he’s ready to go, then he’s going to go,” Allen said. “If he’s not, then I would feel really confident that he would be ready after the bye week.

“But those are things that I don’t know for sure, so I don’t want to speculate, but we got two really good quarterbacks that play at a high level and I believe in both of them so that excites me, too.”

Ramsey was productive in the Hoosiers’ 38-3 win over the Huskies, completing 23-of-27 passing for 247 yards and three touchdowns. The offense didn’t feature many deep throws with Ramsey behind center, but shorter, quicker passes were able to spread the UConn defense.

Michigan State’s defense will present another level of challenge. The Spartans rank second in the Big Ten in sacks (15) and first in interceptions (6). They allow just 11 points and 52 rushing yards per game.

“That’s where it starts, up front, just how physical they are,” offensive coordinator Kalen DeBoer said. “They will find ways to get extra hats in the box, too, to make sure, No. 1, they stop the run. Statistically, obviously, it’s a crazy number they have right now.

“There are different styles to how they do it, but in the end, the philosophy is the same: stop the run, make teams one-dimensional, put them in third-and-longs, and then tee off.”

That brings everything back to the offensive line, which was able to win in the trenches versus UConn despite the loss of Cronk. In last Saturday’s game, Caleb Jones, the right tackle, initially flipped to left and senior DaVondre Love replaced Jones on the right side. In the fourth quarter, freshman Matthew Bedford came in to play at the left tackle spot.

If Bedford were to play more this week, Allen said it would be on the left side. But it’s also possible the Hoosiers stick with Love and Jones as their tackles. Allen also mentioned redshirt freshman Aidan Rafferty as the next man up after Bedford and Love.

“So those three guys are really the three tackles that will be in position to prepare to do that,” Allen said. “Caleb’s going to have to be able to do both. We got to keep him ready to play both sides. A guy like Matt Bedford, we will just focus him on left tackle because he’s so young.”

There has yet to be a discussion with Cronk or his family about a potential redshirt, Allen said. Since he has played under the four-game limit in 2019, it’s possible he could return next season as a fifth-year senior.

Until then, the Hoosiers intend to play for their fallen teammate, who had just made his 40th career start. Cronk’s toughness was on full display in the moments after his injury.

“I get out there and he grabs me, and he’s like … ‘Coach, it’s way too far from my heart to kill me,’ first thing he said,” Allen said. “And the second thing he said, he’s like ‘Coach, it’s a big one, we got to win this game. Make sure these guys finish.’

“All he cared about is his teammates and us getting a win, and he knows what’s at stake each and every week.”


  1. Off topic: Regarding basketball….The NCAA is so mad at Kentucky they gave Cleveland State another year of probation….Jerry Tarkanian.
    My thoughts…Insert NAME of most blue chip programs in both, basketball and football and if they are winning and getting most of the top elite recruits BEWARE. The sleazy innocent smiling talkers are sheeps in wolves clothing and they don’t rise to the level of a wolf.

    1. I’m afraid that pretty well sums it up t,

      It will be very interesting how things go with the Kansas basketball debacle. With everything coming out of federal court cases, if the ncaa can’t make this one stick, what’s the point of having the ncaa?

    2. MONEY GREED FAME FORTUNE where traditional blue blood elite team nicknames are code words for organized (very organized) crime.
      It is so lost that traditional blue blood football stadiums and basketball arenas would have to be torn down and replaced with wooden bleachers.
      Unfortunately, it is the norm today and is on par with blue blood organizations throughout the land. Government, Non Government, Private, Public, Political when things get so big, important and there is no realistic perspective that awards the very very very best CHEATERS.

  2. He has a cannon for an arm,
    Throws with wicked precision.
    Too soon he’ll lose his lucky wrist charm,
    Hijacked by one too many soft collision?

    Pee-wee Herman under center since Nixon,
    I wouldn’t bet the ‘hut-hut’ on any farm.
    Rarely Hoosier sell jobs find fruition,
    Hope your dumb hopes found no harm.

    Time for another Titanic “game-time” decision!
    Somebody sound the ‘Dunk & Dink’ alarm!
    Old Scoop children to lifeboats first! Grab a Penix flotation sofa cushion!
    Lower the Hoosier Football lifeboats to the same old pathetic yarn.

  3. Has the NCAA punished UNC for the academic fraud that went on there for over a decade? Nope, and you know that was just the tip of the UNC iceberg. The NCAA has been a feckless, corrupt organization for many years. I see nothing that’s going to change that any time soon.

      1. UNC did violate NCAA with academic fraud that was well documented. I guess you are being sarcastic or uninformed. The NCAA just ignored the evidence for a blue blood school in basketball.

        1. Loopholes, V13. It’s how the Establishment excuses their crooked asses in all things…while hanging out a 3-way caller with a five year ban from college basketball.

          Not just athletes were in those ‘ghost classes.’ UNC made sure some other losers not athletes received fake credits on fake transcripts.
          At least a Kelvin loser knows how to get 19 honest F’s on a transcript.

          Loopholes and collusion….It’s why the rich get richer and criminals get to send jaywalkers to the chair.

        2. Unfortunately, you’re completely wrong on this matter. The NCAA made clear that the issues at UNC were beyond their purview and, thus, not actionable, since they didn’t technically violate any rules. You and I may not like that, but it’s t doesn’t change the fact that NCAA rules weren’t violated at all. There are a number of published reports on this so you can learn what actually occurred and the NCAA’s reasoning behind it.

          1. Listen, wise guy, I don’t care. 15 years of allowing fake “ghost” classes for athletes to obtain fake credits to go on fake transcripts is corruption to the highest degree. If the NCAA believes that’s outside their jurisdiction, then the NCAA is a joke. It also reinforces just what a joke it was for us to have a coach who, flames words like “wrecking a program” and screamed of the classroom corruption at IU while later having nothing to say about UNC while he was an analyst for ESPN during the height of disclosures unveiling the UNC “ghost classes”
            There are also plenty of published reports of how athletes who couldn’t read beyond the 3rd grade level were being pushed through the UNC athletic system.
            The NCAA is complicit in protecting from harm those they want to protect. That’s how corruption in any system works. Rules bent…Rules interpreted by their own appointed lawyers to mean something beyond an intention. Loopholes and narrow definitions where you want to protect one party to an investigation contrasted to wide interpretation of a violation or simply removing a violation after you’ve applied it to the intended party to harm(as in the case of the 3-way calling scandal “wrecking” IU Basketball. The following year, the NCAA simply wiped the violation/rule against 3-way calls and texts off their books …knowing such rules could be legally questioned when not applied to the future programs they serve to protect from their own rules).

            Get real. I’ve read the pieces …and the main crux to the NCAA for not pursuing UNC’s corrupt academic scheme was an argument against seeking violations because the academic “advantage” was not explicitly for the athlete since other non-athletes were in the fake classes. That is corruption, my friend. It’s not the sort of corruption or violation Indiana would a) ever commit…and b) ever get away with. The rules violations would not be given such narrow interpretation because we are not part of the Establishment ‘Elite Club.’
            Educate yourself in corruption. And educate yourself in having perspective for where the real “wreckers” and “cheats” exist in college athletics. And that’s what makes the NCAA a joke. They use the jaywalkers as their poster boys for evil deeds….and turn away from the true cheats.
            How much more sad can an organization intended to promote the “STUDENT” athlete be when it proclaims to have hands tied when athletes are simply beating the system and beating the concept of bettering oneself via enrolling in ‘ghost classes?’

            Defend the interpretation to your heart’s content…but don’t dare come on here and condescend to defend the corruption and the hypocrisy.

          2. Former University of North Carolina learning specialist Mary Willingham, who blew the whistle on a two-decade “paper classes” scheme intended to keep student-athletes at the school eligible, said some of the athletes she worked with were unable to read, yet they were admitted to the university because of their athletic prowess.

            “When I went to the University of North Carolina as a learning specialist, I didn’t expect to have to teach kids to read,” she said. “… I had athletes who were so unprepared for the course work, they were working on reading — reading letters and sounds. They didn’t know. They were just passed along and we took them in the front door of the institution and promised them, in exchange for their talent, that we were going to provide them with a world-class education.

            Shame on you, NCAA…Shame, the hell, on you. And shame on the hypocrites acting as if Indiana University’s most recent major athletic scandal anywhere approached the ugliness going on at UNC. And the same goes for the depiction of Knight’s history. Knight graduated kids and they would be a “ghost” on the team if he’d ever catch one kid trying to fake his way through a classroom.

          3. Hey, you can’t rant and rave and stomp your feet and hold your breath to your heart’s content, and I understand where you’re coming from. In a perfect world, there wouldn’t be unfairness and instances of it would be corrected, with those who perpetuated it punished.

            But none of that changes the fact that NCAA rules weren’t broken, so no punishment was merited. I suggest, when you calm down, that you dive in and actually read the entirety of their decision. It’s sound both logically and factually, even if it frustrates you. A little education for you and V13 would be of great benefit, even if what you learn upsets you (yes, I understand the irony here, though I doubt you do).

            Academic accreditation was the real and proper threat for UNC, and they came perilously close to losing some it. Then and only then did real reform occur. So, be a wise guy and do some reading, and take care enough to learn a little more, if you’re so inclined.

          4. Condescend and defend corruption to your heart’s content.
            They should be playing college basketball …just as MSU and PSU should be dodging true penalties for pedophiles and molesters existing in their programs while looking the other way.

            Educate myself to defending that sh&^($#*t? I’ll prefer to remain uneducated. I don’t care about UNC’s academic accreditation….What we should expect is honest assessment and honest condemnation from the same media establishment in bed with the NCAA. You spin it anyway you like it….I know why these “elite” institutions guilty of far more scum than anything Indiana University did under Samspon are protected and given their passes.

          5. “Reform”….You’re joking, right? Cheaters don’t reform…they merely find someone else to buy into a power position at the “oversight” organization serving as their bogus watchdog. Go defend at UNC blogs….where apologists for 3rd grade reading levels for athletes in classrooms that don’t exist will listen to your “reform.”

            Meanwhile, come on here and defend a 5-year ban for 3-way calling and some kids who failed in classrooms because they weren’t given fake transcripts.

            I’ll continue to call it as I see it…Fake rules for fake rule-breakers. I’ll join the club in calling everything ‘Fake News.’ “UNC criminally negligent in allowing athletes to get full transcript credit while never attending a class? FAKE NEWS! It’s places like Indiana where true “program wreckers” exist.”

          6. Lastly, please tell me where I said they violated or broke any rules…I said they were corrupt and protected by loopholes….meaning not being punished because other losers were enrolled in the ‘ghost’ classes. The corrupt organization governing amateur athletics which is complicit to such cheating is a joke. Those at UNC calling 15 years of institutionalized systems for cheating and flippant regard for an education as an “academic irregularity” are also sad excuses for leaders.
            The simple use of such language tells one all that is needed to know about future “reform.”

            Such slaps on the wrists for cheating is the perception left upon the NCAA….especially considering the backdrop of those they harshly punish for backpacks and water bottle gifts to recruits. Funny? I always thought a scholarship and an educations was a “gift” to be cherished. If not, what in the hell are we here for…?

            And what of the superstar who played for Calipari at Memphis while gaining admittance via fraudulent SAT scores accomplished by someone paid to take his test? Again, perfectly fine gift. It’s within the rules because we don’t govern the SAT testing rooms. Pardon me, but whatever rules the NCAA does enforce are akin to telling children not to throw sand in a sandbox….while serial killers look on.

          7. I’ve merely provided you with the facts, which aren’t in dispute. I understand your frustration, but that doesn’t alter the aforementioned facts in any way. The NCAA didn’t punish because their rules weren’t violated. Again, them’s the facts, no matter how much you don’t care for them or how willfully ignorant you may be of them. And there’s a mountainous slippery slope of reasons why they shouldn’t legislate in this area, if you’d bother to engage your intellect on the subject. But that’s for another day, perhaps.

            Go Hoosiers, beat MSU.

          8. Integrity preserved for a game within the concept of a student-athlete is the violation upon the sport. Our five banners don’t have that sh&*^^t stain.

            “Academic Irregularities” is how a Chancellor of UNC describes 15 years of fake classes….? That ain’t a slippery slope. That’s a waterfall of zero integrity, lack of ownership and weakness. Ethics are rarely ruled upon…(though they were sure used as added arguments for a beyond minor recruiting violation at Indiana to a degree far beyond any condemnation for the degree of academic corruption at UNC).
            I’m fine with your rules…Rules are mainly in place for those who don’t know how to behave with integrity and for the betterment of society without them. The NCAA and UNC fail in the most damaging sense by making a joke of learning and the concept of a student-athlete…The worst slippery slope is when athletics supersedes any desire to embrace the classroom and to embrace the many things not learned in life ….which, sadly, becomes the “next level” forever out of reach for many a kid of tough streets or disadvantaged means.
            I won’t pretend to be as smart as you, Obi-Wan…but I’m never going to stop believing in trying… The NCAA and UNC are not alone in their abandonment of integrity. More often than many of us would like to admit, Indiana, fails in its own way. Labeling and spouting of failures of someone’s shortcomings in a classroom (as if it were a personal victory to point it out) is a failure in integrity(…almost as much as simply allowing a young person without the academic footing to succeed in a classroom by creating a fake one).
            They are both examples of the worst sort of labels…They are signs of having no belief in turning a life around …once bad choices or bad circumstances have taken someone off the pathway to learning. To simply discount a person and to then sum up such failures in believing in a young person with descriptors like “wrecker” or an “irregularity” is far beyond any the glory of good found in an unbroken rule.

          9. You’re stuck in a loop of frustration rather than logic, and it leads you to a false conclusion that isn’t supported by facts or integrity. You want the ncaa to impose rules that don’t exist or, better yet, make up rules to fit the situation. That may seem fair in a facile sense, but it produces the slippery slope that you don’t seem to grasp.

            Again, you can’t piously rant and rave to your heart’s content and scream about the injustice of it all, but you’d be better served to become better educated (yes, that’s the irony of you arguing so strongly about academic shortcomings while refusing to gain a better understanding of the matter) if you truly care about academic integrity.

  4. One thing that Penix is not A GAME TIME DECISION. It is already known whether he will start, come in after PR gets the start, be available to play, or not play.

  5. Spartans talking about how to slay dunk and dunk receivers and stuff running game. Is JT secret deodorant?

    1. t,
      If MSU is talking about it, I’m not a bit surprised. Every school in the B1G knows how to defend it, crowd the LOS and dare PR to throw over. Defending the dink and dunk is fairly easy, assuming you have decent talent on defense. You get a bonus when putting 8, 9, and 10 on the LOS to defend the dink and dunk. You can stuff the run relatively easy on even an average OL. Sad thing is with the dink and dunk short passing game, all you do is get your receivers hurt. Maybe TA was right to worry about his receiver depth in camp.

      1. Bears vs. Redskins game saw Trubisky making a living on dink and dunk.
        Come to think of it, I believe Trubisky made a living on dink and dunk at UNC.
        Bears have been running tons of plays involving screens or crossing patterns(across the middle). Only relatively deep ball Trubisky threw for a touch down took a spectacular catch…and review to confirm.

        I’m a bit concerned about the Bears….Even with a spectacular defense, the Bears are betting on the same sorts of short passing game and running attack(confined by “packed in” defenses) to make the process work. The Bears have actually bet the farm on a qb who didn’t demonstrate much beyond a short game yardage accumulator in college(and doing it at a school never considered a football powerhouse by any standard).

        How and why was Trubisky so highly regarded out of college? He’s a dinker and dunker…and often not very accurate with his longer balls.

        Coming out of college, Trubisky was projected to be a first round pick by the majority of scouts and analysts.[22] ESPN and Pro Football Focus ranked Trubisky the second best quarterback, ranked him as the top quarterback in the draft, and Sports Illustrated ranked him the fourth best quarterback available(courtesy: Wikipedia)

        I’m still trying to figure it out….Trubisky appears barely more than a pedestrian qb and has shown little more flare and deep ball ability than Peyton Ramsey. Please, somebody, tell me why Trubisky was so highly touted and why he was thought to be the guy to take the Bears to the promise land?

        If a Dunker & Dinker can take a team to a Super Bowl…then it begs the question..? Are we making way too much of Penix’s superiority to Ramsey? Are there more intangibles at play than meet the eye ….or of a sexy 60 yard bomb? Can even an off-the-charts defense make up for a short game qb?

          1. That’s why I’m worried…Then again, Scott May’s son also attended UNC.

            Bobby had his standards….and it wasn’t because of rules.

            Trubisky? He just needs to read defenses…not Tolstoy.

          2. I would suppose even the Ivy League has its share of the classroom challenged athlete…Don’t necessarily have to be from a little town in North Carolina.

            Mitch is actually from Ohio(named Ohio’s ‘Mr. Football’ in 2012..Ohio is generally pretty strong at producing football talent (so that gives me a glimmer of optimism)….though the UNC stamp remains concerning. We all make mistakes. Hell, we hired “you know who” in basketball. His connections dried up and he finally found his water level at a football school.

          3. “I would suppose even the Ivy League has its share of the classroom challenged athlete…”

            Here’s the thing…the Ivy League doesn’t offer athletic scholarships. They don’t have great, or even good, facilities. They rarely play on television. They rarely play glamorous teams outside of tournaments.

            They really only have one thing to offer a potential recruit…a great education. That just doesn’t blend with taking hardship cases. For every spot available there are a ton of smart, athletic kids applying. Success on the athletic field just isn’t all that important.

            I’ve known a ton of athletes at Cornell and Brown. In a variety of sports. They were all frighteningly smart.

          4. Chet- None of us were born yesterday. We all know what’s happening in amateur sports. We’ve all read the headlines over the last decade. Who needs a scholarship anymore in big time sports(the bigger revenue and “sexier” sports pounded on the airways)…when some shoe company agent, pimp, tycoon with heartstrings tied to an alma mater, etc, etc….is going to funnel under-the-table money to an athlete desired anywhere within the corrupt zoo known as college athletics?

            And I’m sure the Ivy League has their share of fake classes for jocks…Who is there to police it….? Throw a couple rugrats not athletes on the ‘ghost’ attendance sheet and no rules are broken.

          5. I have a 17 year that will be going off to Yale next year to study math. I believe he is the most intelligent person I have ever met. His latest work solves a class of problems that has been sited in more than 7,000 phd thesis papers. The Chairman of the Yale Math Department is one of his letters of recommendation. His mentors, who are tenured college professors, laughed at the “joy of pure brilliance” of his lastest work. Do I think there’s an athlete that could hold their own with my son? Well if they can, I’d consider it the privelege of a lifetime to introduce the 2 and evesdrop on their conversation.

          6. Every Ivy League athlete I have known, and there are a lot of them, is a ‘doctor’ of something or other, on the fast track to running the world, or researching something at JPL or the like. Being an athlete is just part of the resume. Pretty much everyone was a valedictorian or equivalent.

            123, congrats. Great accomplishment. You are about to learn, as did I, that there are lots of kids just as smart as yours on Ivy League campuses. My daughter barely kept her head above water her freshman year. She is a doctor now. My son retook the SATs when they had the audacity to claim he missed one math question the first time. Great athlete, too. Not Ivy League material. He went to lowly Virginia Tech.

            I’m sure your kid is brilliant. Just don’t assume there are lots of other brilliant people there or you are going to be really disappointed.

          7. Well one of the professors that has mentored my son told me they all went to Ivy league schools (1 actually went to Michigan), and all thought they were tops in their fields…until they meet someone like my son. The professor said he’s seen one other student of his caliber in 35 years of teaching. I personally hope my son does meet others in that rarified air. I know have always loved the times when I have felt like the least intelligent person in the room. I also take no credit for his success. We were told he was learning disabled at 3. 4 months later they revised their assessment to a genius IQ. Since that time, we’ve had a steady stream of teachers and professors telling us what we already knew. And I don’t mind admitting I will cry like a child the day he goes to college. It has been such a profound honor to get to be his dad.

          8. I could be wrong…and maybe Chet is playing along, but I believed 123 was being facetious.

            Here’s the deal…Corruption is everywhere. Good people and bad people are everywhere. Cheats and honest people are everywhere. I’m pretty decent in math….though most advanced stuff is way over my head..I got lost in calculus early and I don’t mean lost in a good way. Can we talk intersecting vs mutually exclusive? Dumb crooks sort of top out at the 7 Eleven. Brilliance and corruption are rarely mutually exclusive things. They tend to not run as parallel concepts to infinity….They sometimes mingle..and they sometimes mingle in personalities which can be some of the ugliest in the history of mankind.

            An Ivy League doesn’t get you a free pass to being a decent person. My sister dated a very bright guy in high school. He was a track star…He soon attended IU like my sister…He was in one of the highly regarded fraternities for those scholarly and gifted. He was soon a Rhodes Scholar( 32 college students are chosen from the United States each year) and on his way to Harvard Business School.
            I’ll always remember the day in our country house (I was only 12…Dad and Mom were miles away) when he pinned my sister to the floor and attempted to choke her and overpower her. He was a very nasty SOB …I’ll leave it at that.

            I guess there are some perfect humans out there somewhere…I don’t pretend to know any. And who really cares…It’s not long until you’ll chose the DNA cocktail and some jock or lottery winner will buy an Einstein in a test tube. I mean, we’re basically already there, aren’t we? It’s just dumb people getting in the way.

            I’m sure he’s sitting in some very luxurious office somewhere.

  6. Prediction: IU ekes one out over MSU. Further prediction: the naysayers jump on board here and assert IU still hasn’t beaten anyone. After all, Arizona State beat MSU at MSU. The Spartans are good on D and a mystery team on O. Should be a good game. Go Hoosiers!!

  7. If IU wins over MSU it would be IU’s best win of the season meaning a good solid needed win providing future confidence and a foot of stability. NOTHING MORE OR LESS.

    1. Exactly, t. Notice how those calling out the “naysayers” have found the old Hoosier Football area rug to sweep Allen’s “breakthrough” under? Damn that rug is crowded….Movements, Hoosier Rising….Win Today….Breakthrough.

      Somebody get the Shop-Vac and bring it to East Lansing! Maybe bring along the fuzzy Allen attachment and long extension.

  8. Calling a Hoosier Football fan who has endured decades upon decades of losing….to the tune of something like 1-61 in last 20 years to OSU, Michigan and Penn State? Talk about removing so much fartin’ with one win against a Spartan.
    Wow….I’m a naysayer. Here’s an idea…Win above .500 in the conference for the next five years and you’re off the hook. And maybe beat OSU, Michigan and PSU more than once combined in three decades and you can be the NAY-SLAYER. Heck, I bet you could pull the sword right out of that Rock at Memorial…

  9. “nay-slayer” is now the property of H4H…All users of such term must first have been approved by H4H or face penalties and possible Scoop prosecution…which could include 24/7 moderation or complete banning from Scoop.

  10. Pac NW, who are the “naysayers” you refer to? If you’re one of the few people posting comments on this site, you’re already on the IU bandwagon, and you also have a much higher level of interest in IU FB compared to the rest of the Hoosier Nation. As you probably know, the vast majority of Hoosier alumni, students and the population of central and southern Indiana no longer have enough interest to post comments on sites like The Hoosier Sports Report, let alone predict IU to win over MSU. Glad you have enough confidence to do so. Most of the folks posting comments on this site maintain hope but probably don’t have that same level of confidence that IU will defeat MSU this Saturday, especially without our best QB and our best O-linemen.

  11. Maybe the rest of us have Tom Allen Deficiency Syndrome …and PacNW Hoosier is a perfect fan?

  12. Losing Cronk is huge. He is an NFL caliber offensive lineman.

    Do I think Penix is significantly more talented than PR? Yep.

    Do I think Penix gives us a much more diversified and explosive offense. Absolutely.

    Do I think Penix gives IU a better chance to win? Sure.

    I also think that PR is an exceptionally poised quarterback who has learned to do what he can do and not mess up by trying things he can’t. If our new OC is as good as we hope he is I think the Hoosiers have enough pieces to put together an offensive game plan that can put enough points up if the defense can hold up its end and the kicking game is there. I feel pretty good about the kicking game. We’ll see how the defense holds up.

    I just tossed out my thoughts. I almost never pick games on the Scoop. I don’t care about being right on that kinda stuff. I just think they are better than they are being given credit. If the Hoosiers win without Penix and Cronk I think they are a pretty good football team. Others will disagree.

  13. I also think that PR is an exceptionally poised quarterback who has learned to do what he can do and not mess up by trying things he can’t.

    Maybe true against teams without upper echelon speed….I’m afraid we’re going to see an MSU with enough speed in their defense to really disrupt Ramsey. It’s not just a problem with ‘dunk and dink’….It’s the amount of zing on a pass against real speed in defensive backfield/linebacker core. MSU may not have the size and overall depth of the top performers in our conference, but they always seem to play at their pace.
    IU Football’s new and improved S&C program was supposed to build much more speed/quickness into our game…I have yet to see it deliver. We’ll get a very good idea on how much our speed has evolved against MSU.
    And, finally, that’s where the deep ball can be a great asset. Even if the team struggles to match-up in overall quickness/athleticism, it only takes one deep strike to a rare speedster on our roster to buffer the opponents overall advantages on most plays within the sticks.

  14. Penix can throw rockets in the short game…as well as delivering the deep strike when there to exploit. With fast teams, even the short ball windows close very quickly. A relatively weak arm kills you in all facets. Too much is made of simply losing the deep strike ….

    Marino (sorry for the very old reference) could kill with the long ball….but he also killed teams with short stuff and crossing patterns because his great pocket awareness, zip on the ball, quick release…and lightning fast receivers(burst). Defending against his abilities (and the speed) was like being dropped inside a pinball machine.

  15. Chet- I’ll quilt while I’m ahead.

    Candy Stripe Quilting Club Top Needlers Top-10 of 2019…..

    10. I think if we “patch” in Peyton, we can still beat Sparty.
    9. No breakthrough? Sew what!
    8. I don’t mean to be “bias” but that was a great cut on that crossing pattern
    7. This Saturday I’ll be on pins and needles
    6. We run too many button hooks and go….
    5. Why just block when you can block quilt?
    4. Reverse Appliqué trick play gets them every time.
    3. 4th down…Do we go for it or Trapunto?
    2. 15 yards and loss of down filling…Unnecessary interfacing to the backside.
    1. He fumbles too much and thimbles too little.

  16. A few thoughts. I definitely view the world through Crimson glasses. That said, I honestly believe Tom Allen is the best heat football coach IU has had since Bill Mallory (Hep sadly wasn’t around long enough to fairly evaluate). Yes, Wilson didn’t exactly leave the cupboard bare, but it wasn’t chock full of solid players. All Allen has done is put back to back solid recruiting classes, filling the ranks of the Sophomores and Freshman. Give the man some time as Head Coach, and let’s see what he does. Two years and 1/3 of a season are not a fair barometer for a college football coach these days. Unless you’re Tennessee and perhaps on the verge of firing another coach after a short stay.

    Breakthrough? That was a one season slogan/theme. It was a one and done, just like last season’s slogan/theme. Who’s sweeping that one season theme under the rug? I for one am, since it is in the past.

    Me a perfect fan? Hardly…. But a diehard fan, yes. As a student football season ticket holder, I stayed through the entire game for pretty much every game I attended over several years. I’ve tortured myself as a solid IU fan of both football and basketball ever since I graduated in 1994 (and left Indiana, for the most part). IU has not been relevant in football in those 25 years, and the basketball team has only been so a couple, maybe a few times: Davis final game team and Crean Oladipo/Zeller etc. team (too bad Crean was clueless with the vaunted Syracuse zone defense; but I digress) come to mind. Crappy times indeed. But I’m hitching on to the IU wagon behind Coaches Allen and Miller. Given sufficient time, I believe both will prove worth their salt and then some. Enough cliches for one day; Go HOOSIERS!

  17. I agree it is too early to rate coach Allen as he needs two more years to have a full roster of his recruits. If he hasn’t turned them into a winning team by then I will agree he isn’t the proper coach for IUFB, until then I think he is the right coach. I especially like that coach Allen doesn’t think he has all the answers and makes changes after evaluating the season trying to improve IUFB. Too many coaches stand pat not wanting to change since it makes their choices look bad.

    I hope the changes and efforts made will pay dividends to bring the program around to become a winning program.

  18. Who would have ever thunked it…..I always thought IU was the real Harvard for Hillbillies(not really…but I’ll always remember that was the accusation of my choosing the screen name).

    Just look at the brilliance on this thread in nowhereland cyberspace….One would think great minds would be building a nuclear bomb or pieced together human creation in their castle basement somewhere instead of looking for a dunce like me to pick on.

    Put up your dukes, fat brains. Show me something creative under your microscopes.

  19. H4H, I doubt I am up to your challenge as I tend to stay in the real world.

    IU’s sad football history is due to the Old Oaken Bucket as football life has declined since it was institutted. It all goes back to its history before the boys pulled it from the farm to bring it to the IU – PU game. The farm was on native ground and had been cursed that if it were removed without native rights it would curse the Hoosier school that should have known better. IU has tried many football coaches and many mascots but the curse is strong. There have been some successful years but the strength of the curse wins out and those coaches have been fired like the rest. Many ADs have hired many coaches trying to change the curse but they have failed too. Until IU finds the ring to counter the curse they will struggle on the football field. The curse is so strong it now also effects the BB team with no end in sight.

    1. Knew you had it in you, V13. I actually really enjoyed that with a morning swig of my favorite Dunkin’ Donuts java. Please tell me in what “real world” a football team can go 1-61 against Michigan, OSU…and Penn State over more than two decades…and still find numbskulls willing to talk about their pretty helmets?

      Anyway, I kid. Never grew up, I suppose. I’m much like IU Football. I would challenge you to use your imagination when giving speeches to your football team(if you still coach). Infecting the mind with imagination isn’t such a bad thing….Didn’t we all once leave the real world to hit the game-winner….or catch the big pass? It’s what kept me practicing on the dirt basketball court where I spent countless hours. The world has all been taken, my friend. All we are left with is to imagine what it must have once been like to see its beauty for the first time. Sports fills voids…That’s all it really does…..It’s a discovery and a wanting at the same time; a place for youth to return and vast dreams to not find their final rest.

  20. H4H, I haven’t been able to coach for 15 years, probably shouldn’t have for 20 years after my thoracic spinal surgery, despite my passion to still be coaching. I read books of fiction but most of my thoughts are about facts and doing the right thing. Once in a while I can come up with a fantasy story but not often. If not for football I would be an astro-physicist as that was my initial studies at IU. Dreaming about stars was the limit to my imagination before coaching. Don’t worry about the advanced math as I lost my love of math when in advance math class at IU and the professor said you couldn’t just go by the process but just had to know if it was the right solution because there were more than one way to work the problem but only one way that was right.

    I enjoy your flights of fancy as they add some spice to this site.

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