Hoosier QB Ramsey in transfer portal

Indiana quarterback Peyton Ramsey has entered his name in the transfer portal, a source confirmed Monday.

This is a significant but not unexpected development for the Hoosiers’ quarterback room. Ramsey, the redshirt junior, lost his starting job to redshirt freshman Michael Penix Jr. in fall camp, though he proved to be an invaluable backup throughout the 2019 season and ended up totaling 2,454 yards and 13 touchdowns passing in relief of an oft-injured Penix.

If he stayed at IU for the 2020 season, Ramsey could have very well found himself backing up Penix again. Instead, the 6-foot-2, 216-pounder from Cincinnati, Ohio, can search for a situation where he is more likely to be deemed the starter in his final collegiate season. He is in position to earn his degree in secondary education before next fall and would be immediately eligible to play at his next school as a graduate transfer.

Ramsey’s stellar play in 2019 just adds to the sense of loss for IU. Despite multiple injuries to Penix, the Hoosiers were able to finish the season with the No. 2 pass offense in the Big Ten. Ramsey’s production was especially vital in road wins at Maryland and Nebraska, as well as the season finale at Purdue where he scored the game-winning touchdown in double overtime.

On the year, the Hoosiers’ backup surpassed 300 yards passing three times, including a career-high 371 yards at Penn State. Along with his passing production, he was also a daring scrambler, amassing 252 yards and seven touchdowns on the ground.

During his IU career, Ramsey was sometimes underrated by critics for an arm that didn’t put spectacular zip on the ball, especially compared to Penix and redshirt freshman Jack Tuttle. But Ramsey’s moxie and toughness was a storyline throughout an eight-win campaign. He was eventually named a captain midseason despite narrowly missing out on that honor, as well, in the preseason.

While his Hoosier career may have ended in a one-point loss to Tennessee in the Gator Bowl, it was an historic ride. Ramsey finished first on IU’s list in career completion percentage (66.4%), second in career completions (633), and fourth in career pass yards (6,581). He holds the second-, third-, and fourth-best seasons in program history for completion percentage, and his 68-percent mark for 2019 sits behind only Penix, who finished with a 68.8-percent completion rate.

With Ramsey’s likely exit, the QB reins are firmly with Penix. The 6-foot-3, 202-pounder from Tampa, Fla., threw for 1,394 yards and 10 touchdowns in six games in 2019. He went out for the season with an injury to his right sternoclavicular joint in the Northwestern win.

IU coach Tom Allen has said Penix should be “full bore” for spring practices, but he has been charged with gaining strength and muscle mass this offseason to better handle the rigors of Big Ten play. His backup will now be Tuttle, who appeared in five games in 2019, completing 6-of-11 passing for 34 yards.

IU is also adding incoming freshman Dexter Williams, a dual-threat quarterback from Georgia who is enrolled for the spring semester.

Ramsey is the second member of his class to grad transfer this offseason. Senior left tackle Coy Cronk, who missed all but four games for IU in 2019 after a season-ending ankle injury, is utilizing his redshirt year and playing out his final season at Iowa.

60 comments

  1. Very sad! Ramsey was poised to earn virtually every passing mark at Indiana. He was in position to compete and possibly win the starting QB designation for a good B1G team. He had the good will of every Hoosier fan and grad for his post college football and other career. He would have had the inside track for a grad assistant position at IU and a stepping stone to a coaching career. Now he has only the uncertainty of changing schools, still competing for the starting job, but at a much lower program level. His stellar reputation for not quitting is forever tarnished. Not a smart move by a good kid!

    1. I hate to do it, but I disagree with your assessment of the situation BP.

      I think this is a very logical step in the progression of PR toward what I hope will be a stellar coaching career. In order for him to develop as a potential coaching candidate, he will need a good background beyond just the IUFB system. As for a grad assistant position at IU, I suspect as much as TA loved him, the door will always be open should a there be a position available.

      1. We just disagree! It all depends upon where Ramsey goes and how he plays. But starting at Wyoming will not help his career. As for a position at IU, I recall the Crosby, Stills and Nash lyric “love the one your with”!

    2. 1. Sets IU records only if Penix gets injured again.
      2. No impact on post graduation coaching future.
      3. He wouldn’t be our starting QB.
      4. He will be the starting QB on a power 5 team next fall.

      1. As to your points: 1. In a 12 game season, very likely Penix gets injured; 2. You are wrong; 3. With a likely injury to Penix, Ramsey would be the Indiana starter; 4. I totally disagree, more likely a MAC or lower team. We will see.

  2. In other news, a wounded duck was spotted at the corner of Walnut and Kirkwood….The duck was taken to the nearby animal hospital and is resting comfortably next to an underfed and very frail greyhound injured after getting grazed by a truck owned by Tuttle’s Farm to Table Organic Chickens. This story will be updated.

  3. I’m looking forward to driving down to Bloomington for football games this fall on the newly widened and improved Highway 37 absent all those “no passing zone” signs.

  4. How can anyone be surprised by this move? I predicted this would happen months ago. It makes complete sense for Ramsey to test the transfer opportunities. As I see it, Ramsey is not going to be named the starter over Penix. Penix is simply a more gifted quarterback, and if he hadn’t been so fragile, Ramsey would not have started one game this season. TA confirmed that when he said that a player should not lose his starting position due to an injury. At best, Ramsey would have to hope that Penix would not be fully healed by the start of next season or wait until he got injured again. A competitive guy like Ramsey does not want to end his career holding a clipboard. And if he must adjust to yet another OC, then why not do that where you’re the starter?

    But entering the transfer portal and transferring are two different things. There’s a chance Ramsey will not find a better opportunity. Unless he’s willing to play at a mid-major program where he’ll likely be guaranteed the starting spot, how many other Power-five conference quarterbacks is he likely to beat out?

    Regardless of what Ramsey chooses to do, I am grateful for his contributions to IU Football and wish him all the best in the future. He’s a class act, and I suspect he will go on to be very successful in his professional life.

  5. Fresno State has produced more talented and successful QBs than IU ever has. But a mid-major program like Fresno State would make sense.

  6. Did he really have an option? Not if he wanted to play. You can only expect someone to gnaw on humble pie for so long. Just be thankful he didn’t do this last year. Yikes!
    Wherever he goes it will be a plus for THEM.

  7. My guess is he’ll go to a SEC or better ACC team. He’s a 3 year starter and career completion % leader. He may be a game manager, but he’s a great game manager. Any good team with a strong defense and no clear starter at QB should jump at the chance at a proven talent like Ramsey.

    1. Don’t get me wrong, Peyton Ramsey will always have a special place in alot of IUFB fan’s hearts. But he’s still not an elite QB. I’ve defended him many times but I know what he brings to the table.

  8. I wish Ramsey the best with where ever he ends up. It was clear with the approach his dad took thinking Peyton should have been last year’s starter Peyton had enough push to transfer. IU has an experienced QB that showed he is one of the best QBs in the B1G other than durability. It is very important for Tuttle to step up and be ready to play in 2020 but I am hopeful Penix is injury free in 2020.

  9. I agree with 123. I think a lot of people on this board will be surprised where PR ends up, and it’s not going to be a mid-major. Now let’s hope Jack Tuttle doesn’t decide to leave. Tuttle is in the same position Ramsey was in and will be looking to be Penix’s back-up for the next 3 years. Don’t forget that he and Penix were both red shirt freshmen this year, so they are in the same class.

    I wish Peyton the best of luck and I hope he finds a school that will appreciate what he can do for them.

    1. I wish Peyton Ramsey nothing but the best. Like I’ve said, I’ve always defended him on this blog. But if you think he’s going to to some big time program, you’re going to be greatly disappointed.

      1. Fishspinners – Don’t worry about me being “greatly disappointed” where Ramsey ends up. I could care less, but I was just stating my opinion that I think he will land at other than a mid-major. I could be wrong and if so, no big deal, and I certainly won’t lose any sleep over it.

        Now in my 50+ years of following IU football, I have been greatly disappointed on many, many occasions, certainly too many to count or remember, including my trip to the Gator Bowl this year and the team’s late game collapse. I definitely was greatly disappointed at the end of that game!

  10. Ramsey in transfer portal, A QB that ended first two seasons early with surgeries as our starter, and our first game is Wisconsin. Waiter, check please!

  11. I hope Ramsey stays and competes for the job but IU will be fine if he transfers to another school. Penix has the talent to be one of the best QBs in the league but has lacked the durability so far. Tuttle will get many more reps and it will be the second year in this offense for him so he should be able to play and show his ability.

    Another advantage is there will be no divided loyalty going into this season as the team can rally around their QB. We have young receivers, besides Whop, with talent and all they know is, does the QB get me the ball in position to make plays.

    Last season Ohio State was in far worse shape in the QB room if an injury occurred. This is the position most college teams are in as coach Leach had to pull in two grad transfers the past year to have a QB to run his offense. IU should be fine with the QB situation in 2020.

    H4H, an interesting thread on what is happening with QBs at IU ie wounded duck and frail greyhound.

    1. Strong summation, V13. You, once again, are the voice of reason…

      You know the roster better than I…Do we have anyone on the roster that’s a solid 3rd string qb?
      Hopefully, Allen is still searching to bring in a very dynamic qb with ample arm. I don’t have the most confidence in Penix’s ability to stay on the field. And I just haven’t seen enough of Tuttle to believe he could carry this team to a winning season.
      Could be a bumpy year….but I always enjoy your thoughts, optimism and civil discourse.

  12. It’s the best decision for all concerned. Ramsey wants to start And that is not likely at IU. . Do we really want Tuttle getting only 3rd string reps in practice? Do we really want our newest QB getting only 4th string reps(almost nil)? We need to look at this long term and not just next season.

    I love Ramsey and wish him well. He will be a success at whatever he decides to do in life. If coaching is it, I have absolutely no doubt that Allen would have a spot for him. Would absolutely love to see that happen.

    1. Iam, if you want any chance of getting butts back in memorial stadium, you better have a very good season next year. IUFB cannot withstand a bad season after tasting success. Too much history of building expectations and then laying an egg.

      1. CaliHoosier, IU does need to have a very good year in 2020 to build on 2019. The good news is IU returns key players and enough game experience to have a better season in 2020. 2020 is the year IUFB needs to knock off a couple of the “big boys” to show they are to be reckoned with in the B1G East.

      2. Cali,
        I do not disagree, you have to put a good product on the field. In order to do that you have to have a legitimate B1G caliber QB on the field. Yes, PR had a good year last year, but look at the stats for MP in the very few games he played in and run those number for an entire season. As for the lack of success for IUFB, the majority of that problem rests squarely upon the shoulders of Hoosier Nation. The lack of urgency on the part of the IU BOT and Administration for so many years is a direct result of Hoosier Nation failing to exert the same amount of pressure over football as it does basketball.

        Funny thing is, in terms of revenues generated, as bad as IUFB has been historically, it still generates a much larger pot of revenue than a storied basketball program. Imagine how much revenue could be generated if IUFB had been respectable for all those years. If IUFB should return from Madison this September 1-0, the onus will be directly on Hoosier Nation to have the stadium full. Looking at the schedule, if IUFB plays that well at Wisconsin, and continues to do so, it is not out of the realm of possibility to pull into Columbus in early November 8-0. The schedule sets up very favorably for such a run.

  13. If only “revenue” was the same as lore …or prestige.

    What the old dusty banners did (and, to much degree, still do) for Indiana can never be appropriately and fully measured in revenue. What those banners brought to the vibrancy of a campus, a town, a conference, a newspaper, a television station, or an impressionable eye of a passionate youngster’s first digestion of the sport of basketball are impossible to measure.
    And what decades of inept football did the same to impressionable eyes…could never be appropriately measured in “prestige” or lack thereof based on revenue.

    Hope the football thing succeeds…but heroes don’t generally die heroes based on the mountains of countable cash they immortally rest.

    I defer to a scene from “Best of Times” starring Robin Williams and Kurt Russell. BEST MOVIE EVER!

  14. V13 and Think, my response was to IAM about short term vs long term. I hope IU can improve on last year’s record. But to me as good as MP is, his body is glass. He just hasn’t shown the ability to play a full season. I don’t see IU success depending on him to last a full season. And if Tuttle had abilities he wouldn’t have been holding a clipboard when MP went down. Perhaps you are seeing something else, but I don’t see Tuttle coming in and performing at a Ramsey level. Hope I am wrong. But TA better it right next season.

    1. Cali,
      Here’s the problem, we know what Ramey’s ceiling is and it is not very high. IUFB was very fortunate this year that the schedule did not play out nearly as difficult as thought before the season. No one saw wins over Nebraska and Northwestern. PR’s play against OSU regressed tremendously from ’18 in Columbus and ’19 in Bloomington. Both PSU and Michigan were winnable games with a QB with a higher ceiling.

      Can MP stay healthy all season? That’s the only question which really matters.

  15. Think, I agree that MP staying healthy all year long is what matters. We do know Ramsey’s ceiling. To me it is a full season ceiling vs. a few games Of sky was the limit.

  16. Can Penix stay healthy all season…? Can he stay healthy for one game against a worthy BigTen opponent? To have a collar bone nearly driven through your sternum doesn’t sound too good…..Lower body suspect..? Upper body suspect? The only thing not suspect is his left bicep.

    Last time I remember this big of a gamble was buying Blockbuster stock.

  17. I seriously doubt Ramsey will transfer to any SEC team, and I don’t see him playing for a Big 12 school. If it’s an ACC school, he could got to Wake Forest, which recruited him while he was in HS. Best chance for him to play is one of the mid-major schools, and that leaves schools in the MAC, Sun Belt, Mountain West, Conference USA and American conferences.

    Does anyone remember which IU coach recruited Ramsey while he was in High School? I think it was Kevin Johns, who is now the OC and QB coach at Memphis. In High School, Ramsey had offers from Boston College, Bowling Green, Buffalo, Cincinnati, Eastern Michigan, Illinois, Miami of Ohio, and Wake Forest. Any of those schools need a veteran QB?

    As for next year, a good season for IU will be to win six regular season games, go to a bowl game and win it. I don’t expect IU to win eight regular season games, but would be delighted if they exceed my expectations. If Penix stays healthy, it’s possible.

  18. thinkabout it, think about this ……
    This from the outstanding Hoosier Sports Report website:
    https://www.hoosiersportsreport.com/2020/01/iu-athletics-boasts-13-million-surplus-in-2019/
    “Men’s basketball ticket sales continued to outpace football, $11.2 million to $6.8 million, which continues the Hoosiers’ outlier status in the Big Ten. Last fiscal year, IU’s football program was the only one in the conference to make less in ticket revenues than its basketball counterpart.”
    Poor fan support is at least part of the problem in turning IU football around.
    Lots of programs have great support even during terrible years.

    1. Exactly NHIV,
      Here’s the clincher on the value of a FB program to a school in the report, “As has been the case for many years, media rights were a major driver of revenue. That sum increased by nearly $2.8 million over last year to a grand total of $43.6 million in 2019, including $32.7 million for football and $10.9 million for men’s basketball.”

      The media revenue of a HISTORICALLY DYSFUNCTIONAL FB program is still 3 times more valuable than one of the most storied basketball programs in college athletics. The media revenue alone of the FB program dwarfs the revenue brought in by not just the men’s basketball program, but probably the entire rest of the athletic program! How blind can Hoosier Nation be to not understand how valuable a FB program which is at least respectable can be? . . . and all I’m talking about is just the actual incoming athletic department revenues only.

      Here’s the real bottom line NHIV & Po, think about the donations which such a program could drive to the university as a whole. It has been shown many times the correlation between a winning FB program and donations to the university as a whole. Even the article to which you refer mentions it.

  19. Nat, I wrote almost exactly the same comment last week and sited the same story. But you’re exactly right. The Hoosier Nation’s support of IU FB, measured most obviously by attendance at home games, is what it will take for IU to improve recruiting necessary to take the football program to the next level.

    In spite of relatively weak fan support, TA is doing a great job in recruiting. Just think what he could do if every FB recruit visited IU for a home game in which Memorial Stadium was sold out with very exuberant and vocal fans that stayed through the second half.

  20. Gentlemen, I agree about the need to Hoosier nation to step up for football. Quit giving pass outs, keep recruiting students to the games, offer prizes to students that come and have
    half-time or after game shows students like, and any other things to bring students to the game. Athletic department do all you can to attract fans from Indy and other areas of the state to come to the games; help the football team by doing things to bring in fans ie teams willing to come to IU not low level but MAC, USA-teams people can recognize. It is not IU’s job to support like ISU or other teams with little fan support. Any ideas would be great if it improves the fan support for the team.

    1. Well, here’s my idea, for what it’s worth.
      My family has good seats and pays pretty good money to get them, but we’re sitting between the fifty and forty-five.
      How about discounting seats between the thirty and forty, further discounts between the twenty and thirty, right on down the line until they’re actually affordable to just about anybody? Quit the endless ads on the scoreboard, let the band play instead of piped in music, and quite charging four dollars for popcorn. And, while I’m on a rant, quit building buildings and planting trees in the football parking lot. There’s nowhere convenient to park for a big crowd.
      It’s just nuts how greedy the athletic department has become on football ticket prices, especially looking at where the real money is coming from. I submit that the half empty stadium looks bad on television also and hurts our TV value to the broadcasters.
      FILL THE STADIUM, whatever it takes.
      However, don’t discount anything when OSU and/or MIchigan come to town.
      Sorry this thread has moved so far from Ramsey!

    2. Help attendance? Bring in some worthy non-conference opponents. But that won’t happen because going undefeated in non-conference is the only thing that matters when you expect three losses against any combination of Michigan, OSU, Penn State and Michigan State.

      And that is the attendance quandary. Schedule non-conference to spark interest while risking losing those more difficult games.
      Schedule patsies and add to the indifference already present in a fan base inherently doubtful in their perceptions of Indiana truly being serious about the quality and entertainment value of the product.

      My dad always used to say “you don’t get something for nothing.” Don’t expect something (as in early excitement and growing attendance numbers) if you offer nothing (in terms of exciting and challenging non-conference opponents).
      We all know it’s a difficult conference. Doesn’t matter. Opponents are the value of the ticket.
      There is a defeatism in college football that wraps every goal into getting to any bottom tier bowl. That may seem like a challenge for IU Football but does it really hold the attention of an intelligent fan? Are you asking for something while really providing nothing?

      You can bring circus acts at halftime. You can bring booze to concession stands. You can bring scantily clothed cheerleaders…Ultimately, those things are all sideshows. Greatness and believability is born of challenges beyond the norm. IU Football is attempting to challenge our fans in breaking norms while unwilling to challenge themselves in breaking the pathways of least resistance to any bowl.

      I think we have some very intelligent fans…and rather than berate them for their unwillingness to flock in masses to a program still afraid to fully challenge itself, I will remain proud that they can recognize the differences in approach between winners and losers.

      1. I’m not so sure about beefing up the non-conference schedule too much H4H,

        Reason being, having watched for too many years how the SEC (and I know what your going to say) works it, might not be such a good idea. There is one problem with football which you don’t have quite so much in basketball, attrition. The tougher the schedule, the more the injuries mount up. I suspect more than anything, this is why the SEC will not go to 9 conference games as has the B1G. Play 3 tough games out of conference plus a brutal 9 game in conference schedule and the teams would be so beat up they’d have little left for the post season. For the same reason, SEC teams do not schedule particularly difficult non-conference opponents either, 8 in conference games is more than enough.

        I don’t like it anymore than you do, but until someone other than Clemson can prove they can beat an SEC team in the playoffs, won’t likely change. Not to mention, with the SEC perceived to be the premier football conference in the country, the media rights will not suffer either. New TV contract coming will likely be massive.

        1. Nonetheless, there are far different standard for football than basketball…Getting to any bottom tier bowl…Playing barely above .500 (even below .500 in the conference) are acceptable standards for football that would never be acceptable for basketball.

          The non-conference can still be improved without being brutal. The goals can be higher than to just be invited. If being invited to an NCAA tournament isn’t good enough for basketball, then simply a bottom tier bowl and .500 conference records in football shouldn’t be the sort of spicy sauce to get fans flocking in the masses to want to see an IU Football game.

          Many hold higher standards for IU hoops while berating IU football fans because they are intelligent enough to know when a program is proving its worthiness (as if football fans should line up like zombies to cheer for a program not offering ANY form of non-conference test….or attempting to break norms of low bars.

          Lastly, we don’t belong in any conversation as it pertains to what works for Clemson, LSU, Alabama, etc.

  21. NatHillV, You are on the money about lowering prices in the stadium until they sell all seats in the stadium. Get people used to coming to the games and then let the market determine ticket prices. IU needs to take steps to overcome decades of failure as this team improves and needs to pull in even better players. The attendance is embarrassing for IU and this needs to change.

  22. Nat, I think your perspective on the price IU charges for FB tickets is a bit out of touch. IU offers the lowest priced FB tickets in the Big Ten, and the difference is significant. That’s part of the problem with IU FB revenue. Go to an OSU or Michigan home game and notice what those schools charge for the best seats. In fact, when IU starts to win consistently and the demand for FB tickets increases, the price for the best seats in Memorial Stadium will probably be increased significantly.

    I think there are three keys to increasing attendance at IU FB games: 1) increase IU student attendance and discourage the low-rent habit of so many students showing up at the tailgate parties in the lots across 10th street just to play corn hole, get drunk and eat other people’s food while the game is being played. Plenty of time before and after the game to party, but watch the game. It makes you wonder if IU students have any pride in their school? 2) be more aggressive in marketing to people living in the communities within a reasonable driving distance to Bloomington. Not just the typical billboards, but aggressive outreach to attract those people. And for people living farther away in places like Fort Wayne, South Bend and “the region,”, offer package deals that include transportation, lodging (if necessary) along with tickets and refreshments. Make it real easy to attend IU Football games, otherwise Hoosier fans can find all sorts of excuses why not to attend.

    I attended an SEC game a few years back, and as we were approaching the turnstiles to enter the stadium, about 12 large buses pulled up just behind us. The doors opened and hundreds of people emptied out and got in line to enter the stadium. Most of the adults were already well lubricated and very excited. I asked my host what that was all about and he explained the school’s program to bundle transportation for people from various communities from around the state. The number of buses that arrived at the stadium was mild boggling, and I’m confident that they included thousands of fans who might not otherwise been able to attend the game. This stuff is not astro physics. All IU has to do is copy what works at other schools.

    1. Po,
      I’m glad it was you mentioning how the SEC school worked the games (You know how H4H is when I mention the SEC)! What you describe is pretty much standard operating procedure for most of the conference. For the SEC schools, football is a big business mainly because they know how much revenue can be brought in as a result. That’s both to the athletic department and the school as a whole. They take whether or not their programs are successful extremely seriously because of this.

      I know that often times football schools get accused of treating basketball as a second tier sport similar to what I think Rock was alluding to with PSU. Yet when you look at the major disparity between what a top notch football program can bring in versus a top notch basketball program, the numbers are staggering. Right now IUFB is probably bringing may 3 or 4 times the revenue of the men’s basketball program. If IUFB was in the same air as some of the top B1G programs it would likely be 10 or more times the revenue of the basketball program!

      Don’t get me wrong, love basketball, but the numbers don’t lie.

  23. It’s the least expensive ticket in the Big 10, so the issue isn’t price, and never has been.

    IU has a culture of losing that’s part of the fabric of the program. It’s so endemic that it’s been augmented with a tailgate culture wherein pass out privileges are more meaningful for many of the attendees than the location of their seats. And that’s for the people that both to go in.

    Winning, and winning meaningful games (OSU, Michigan, Wisconsin, PSU, Iowa) is the only solution. Nothing else will consistently fill the seats. But winning those meaningful games and knowing you can compete against the top of the conference every time is what will build a positive culture among the fan base.

    As for Peyton, he did everything asked of him and still knew he wouldn’t be the starter, and this is his last year. Hard to blame him for wanting to play. There wasn’t the shock of CC leaving, but the coaches were hopeful he would stay and tried to keep him from going. They know they’ll need him because he and MP are way ahead f JT. Wouldn’t say it’s all happy between PR and TA, but the parting was much more amicable than Cronk’s.

    1. Winning, and winning meaningful games (OSU, Michigan, Wisconsin, PSU, Iowa) is the only solution. Nothing else will consistently fill the seats. But winning those meaningful games and knowing you can compete against the top of the conference every time is what will build a positive culture among the fan base.

      Exactly. In other words, the same standard as is set for IU Basketball (men’s and women’s) and all IU Sports where you expect engagement and support.

      2019 may have been sold as a “breakthrough” season, but there were zero breakthrough wins. Other than Penn State, we were manhandled by OSU and Michigan. We are what we are in the non-conference (an equal or slightly better than equal to a mid-major).

      If you think that’s going to bring massive fan support, I have bridge for sale you might be interested in.

  24. BD, are you saying that Cronk went away mad? Do you have a source inside the FB program or anyone that knows the young man well? Or was your comment based on your own impression? Please explain.

    Can’t blame Peyton if he transfers, and I’ll wish him all the best. It’s not his fault that he wasn’t born with a really strong arm. But let’s be honest. As accurate and crafty as PR was, no Big Ten defense feared him. He was not a “game-changer” and was never going to be. Penix has the potential to be a game-changer.

    1. First and foremost, he went away. That alone is a big deal because, unlike Ramsey, he was assured of playing. Allen saw his role differently than he did, and he wasn’t offered the opportunity to move. He was told he was moving, and he’s the best OL on the team. That was all she wrote. Not sure he was so much mad as disillusioned.

  25. Penix has the potential to be a game-changer. I agree with that.
    But it’s along way from potential to realization. Hope Penix gets it done, but I personally am very worried about his apparent lack of durability.
    As for ticket prices, I now know IU has “cheap” tickets when compared with other BigTen teams.
    But if something is not selling well, what’s wrong with lowering prices on less desirable tickets to put butts in the seats? Would look better on TV. IU Women’s basketball tickets are an absolute bargain, and you see lots of excited young kids and seniors (like me) at their games.

    1. Share your hope and concerns about MP. Has the potential for greatness but can’t be great if he’s not on the field.

      As for tickets, agree that the women’s team tickets are a bargain but would argue that they’re developing a following because they can legitimately compete with anyone. Same for baseball.

  26. Nat, IU could give tickets away for free and Memorial Stadium would still not be filled. And IU has tried the “lower ticket prices” strategy before. It didn’t move the attendance needle, but cost IU a lot of revenue.

    I don’t want to be too harsh, but when you attend any other Big Ten home FB game, then compare the experience to an IU home FB game, the difference is profound. IU just doesn’t put on a good show for the fans. They don’t even try to make it an “event.” The experience is, in relative terms, kind of boring, which speaks to IU’s leadership, their imagination and their level of commitment to the IU fan base. For decades, the HOOSIER NATION HAS NEVER held IU’s administration (i.e., President, BOT, AD, etc.) accountable, so why would they invest any energy or imagination to improve the game-day experience now? IU administrators have treated FB like its an unpleasant obligation, as if it’s a task they’d rather not bother with. In fact, compare the atmosphere inside Assembly Hall to the atmosphere inside Memorial Stadium and I think you’ll see what I’m referring to.

  27. Give the best “game-day experience” to last lonely butt in Memorial’s stands by defeating a meaningful team(e.g. Michigan, OSU, PSU).

    Pretty much like Bear Down stated, gimmicks is all barking up the wrong tree with nothing to back it up (meaningful wins). Attendance won’t even turnaround quickly with meaningful wins…It’s going to take a bit of proving. Is what it is….And set the same standards for football achievement as is used with basketball. Simply getting to a bowl game is no different than simply making the NIT in basketball. It’s a very low bar.

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