IU halts football workouts following six positive COVID tests

Indiana athletics has paused voluntary football workouts after six members of the team tested positive for COVID-19 this week.

IU is not the first program to have to suspend workouts in the Big Ten, because both Ohio State and Maryland have done the same following positive tests. At the same time, it is a setback for IU following a month of more promising test results.

In its first round of testing — after football and men’s and women’s basketball returned to campus in mid-June — IU had zero positive tests out of 187. The department’s second round of tests, announced just a week ago, yielded four positives out of another batch of 112 tests.

Now there are an additional six positives from this past week, which has forced IU to halt football workouts. In a press release, IU said the shutdown will not affect other sports currently holding voluntary workouts, including men’s and women’s basketball, men’s and women’s soccer, volleyball and field hockey.

IU did not specify how many individuals total were tested this past week to yield the six positives in football. As was the case in IU’s last release about positive COVID results, it was stressed that all workouts remain voluntary and that individuals who have tested positive have been quarantined.

“Per the recommendations of the IU Athletics Medical Advisory Group, each positive test results in isolation until further notice and contact tracing measures are established to detect individuals who are considered close contacts, and may have been exposed to the virus,” the release said. “These close contact individuals are also quarantined until further notice.”

IU coach Tom Allen was asked about positive COVID-19 tests during a media availability Tuesday. He said “a small number” of the four positives from last week’s results were from within the football team.

“Within that number, they’re not all within our team,” Allen said. “They’re spread out.”

Just yesterday, the NCAA released testing guidelines for its member institutions, painting a picture of how truly difficult it may be to keep “high risk” sports going during a pandemic.

The NCAA is mandating that athletes from those sports, including football, be tested every week, within 72 hours of competition. In the case of a positive result in-season, a football player will have to sit out at least 10 days. Anyone who was in “close contact” with the infected person will have to quarantine for two weeks.

IU’s athletes were required to sign a “pledge” when they returned to campus, stating they would follow guidelines specific to social distancing, the reporting of COVID-19 symptoms, and general hygiene. It’s obviously a difficult task for coaches to make sure all of their athletes are sticking to that plan.

“If we found out they weren’t doing that, we had to get all over them,” Allen said Tuesday. “All you have to do is look on social media, and you see people still refuse to follow it, and it’s frustrating. And it’s having ramifications in certain parts of the country, and the numbers reflect that.

“Once again, it’s about being unselfish, it’s about deciding to put a team in front of me, and the desire to want to play this fall, in front of my own personal desire to go out and ‘have a good time.’ You have to make some sacrifices.”

On the other hand, Allen acknowledged all anyone can do is try to minimize the risk.

“Bottom line, we want the athletes and their parents to feel 100% confident and to be in a good situation,” Allen said. “As we’ve always said, and we’ve said from the beginning, you can’t eliminate the risk completely.”

60 comments

  1. 2020 football season success may call for beautiful fall days at Brown County State Park. If the park is closed one can always sneak in through the woods and spend time in a secluded area. That scenario may go for all of Southern Indiana.

  2. You could see this coming for miles. Expecting healthy young adults allowed to return to campus to avoid social contact would require enormous self-discipline. To these healthy young people, the temptation to mix and party is greater than the fear of getting sick. They know that their chance of getting seriously sick or dying is almost zero.

  3. This isn’t surprising but it is still disappointing to get suspended over 6 cases. This virus is hear and the team will have some cases. If we are going to get so panicked over 6 cases they just need to cancel the season and quit dragging things out. The report doesn’t even say if anyone is ill just that they tested positive.

  4. It’s not the fear of people getting sick or dying from COVID, it’s the fear of being sued for not doing everything possible to protect people from COVID. It’s the fear of civil litigation that drives these policies.

    I wonder how many of the athletes who tested positive were symptom free?

    1. Very doubtful unless you are a big business with 100’s of potential plaintiffs. But IU does fit that category!

    2. Why can’t we just have students and other fans sign releases (as was done at Trump rallies) removing them from taking legal action against Indiana or the Big10 if they contract Covid? Don’t sign a release, you don’t enter the parking lot.

      Indy 500 is going forward to allow 25% attendance…Isn’t that approx to IU’s normal football attendance? Keep in mind, Indy 500 attendance is normally around 300,000 ….so 25% of that number is still 75,000 attendees. Hard to imagine those sorts of numbers still not being a potential Covid concentration and source outbreak.

      Just my opinion, but without fans I believe we’re going to see a sizable spike in injuries to our amateur athletes. I think adrenalin’s role and the influence of fans to “spike” emotions and adrenaline is being negligently overlooked. The energy teams feed off of in locker rooms and big momentum game situations becomes a collective adrenal gland boost to performance and forces in tackles/hits/throws/precision. The stage created by fans explodes the senses and magnifies focus. The energy prepares the body and mind to react in its heightened state.

      In all the concern over the “science” and necessary precautions, we have denied the science of the mind as it envelops all its environment to influence the body’s chemistry. In protecting the fans, we could be setting up athletes for severe punishment and injury as their minds adjust to protect without the full use of surrounding and chemistry “heightening” functions serving as layers of protection beyond helmets and pads.

  5. its also the transmission of the virus to others that MAY cause death. and in that scenario you can add wrongful death to the civil litigation ;IF nothing was done.

  6. Don’t bring reason into this, TJ…

    And beg to differ on the uncertain long term implications of even a healthy young adult contracting the virus. The residual effects linger for up to two months with very fit and healthy specimens. Simple because you’re a world class athlete doesn’t protect you from underlying issues. Simply because you’re not hospitalized or believe you are 100% doesn’t necessarily mean that vigorous workouts may deplete your abilities further (enter heat strokes, extra heart strain, muscle strain where inflammation has existed undetected).
    Autopsies are unveiling some very troubling signs of invasion to multiple tissues including the brain.
    We know less about this virus than long term implications of traumatic brain injury as a result of repeated concussions in football.
    Because concussions have done nothing to slow down the spread of an appetite to put young people at risk for the satisfactions of valued entertainment and profit motives, I don’t expect anything other than a sudden death plague to convince some that a halt to a season may be the best course of action right now.

    And if they needlessly endangering young people ( or adults they are coming in repeated contact ) without following precautions or guidelines, then they should face the brunt of lawsuits.
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    Interesting how those who have trivialized long term traumatic brain injuries from football are also trivializing Covid-19. Here’s an idea…Bring cigarette ads back just for college football games because smoking in a crowded bar is also a harmless activity. We’re all gonna die someday, you bunch of sissies. Breathe in Covid…Take another breath of secondhand smoke…and then go bash your head against the bathroom wall for 40 minutes. You’re a world class athlete. You can take it!

  7. TJ, I’m over 60, so I’m in the “higher risk” category. It’s my responsibility to protect myself from COVID-19. It’s my responsibility to put on a mask before entering a grocery store, to use hand sanitizer after touching anything outside my house/car before touching my face. It’s my responsibility to practice social distancing and stay at least 6 feet away from others. It’s my responsibility to refrain from going places that would increase my risk of exposure.

    My youngest daughter tested positive for COVID-19. She had mild symptoms for about four days. She wanted to come home for a visit about a week after her symptoms went away. My wife and I told her “no,” and that she had to wait three additional weeks before she could visit. If you’re a person the medical scientists say are at higher risk, you have to take responsibility for protecting yourself. That means, among other things, staying away from people, even loved ones, who might transmit the virus.

    Sadly, our public officials never get this concerned about influenza, but year in and year out “the flue” kills tens of thousands of Americans. And as the statistics indicate, the flu kills more children and young adults than COVID-19.

    1. There is also civic responsibility. My daughter is willing to take a few extra steps in protecting her community. Though she is low risk, she understands others may not be. She’s not going out without a mask.
      There is true negligence when you don’t accept a minimum standard of civic responsibility to protect your neighbor.
      Young people should be wearing masks even when around their own age group. There should be a unified goal to contain the spread …and, thus, contain the odds a bit (simply in the limiting of infected numbers) to keep someone a bit more vulnerable a bit more safe. Is it really too much to ask while most the vulnerable are bubbled up and walled up and closed off just about as much as a human mind could handle?
      If we had leadership which promoted civic responsibility, we’d likely be in a better place right now. Instead, we have leadership railing against the idea of one life or one death too many; a blatant, spit to the face, if you will, to destroy any regard for your fellow neighbor and to make their safety an affront to your “freedom.”
      You don’t tell someone to get plastered at the local tavern and then expect it to be the responsibility of others to watch out for them on the highway. Freedoms for the viciously reckless or those with vicious disregard are not anchored in any ideals of health, happiness and liberty for all. They are selfish pursuits of those with no moral fiber or constraint. “I can’t get sick…The hell with you.”
      They evolve to not heal or help the downtrodden or sick. They evolve to end the species.

  8. H4H, you are right we don’t know the long term effects but we often don’t know the long term effects of many things in our lives. I think back in my life and time in the Marines, working in a foundry to pay for college, etc and see the damage it did to my body. However, going back in time with the same knowledge, I would have still make the same choices despite becoming disabled at 45 years old. I know of others that suffer more than I have and I see my situation is nothing other than life to be live the best way I can. I could look at the flu shot I had in the Marines to fight the Hong Kong flu but instead it made me sicker than I have ever been for 3 weeks still needing to go to my duty station every day. I wonder why as a very good athlete with speed I could never score a perfect 18 minute 3 mile run. Now looking back I wonder if the flu shot, that cause such a bad reaction, impacted my lungs enough to keep me from reducing my time to 18 minutes – my best was 18:10.

    This virus isn’t something to ignore but I do worry that concern on the verge of panic does more harm than dealing with the fact the virus is here and a number of people will get it. Take steps to avoid getting the virus, one reason I am glad we moved to this isolated community, knowing you are doing your best to live life. I think too many see life as something to avoid physical risk but if you remove too many risk to stay safe have you lived?

    1. Mask wearing is something each person needs to decide for themselves. Social pressure is making this decision more about group think than real protection. I wear mask in places it is required but really don’t see the point. I choose to avoid crowds and keep my distance. Many would think being a Marine would make me more willing to accept info from the gov’t and its agencies but I saw behind the scenes what really was going on in daily events so I question everything researching for myself to get different information and judging for myself what is best supported by evidence.

      The issue with wearing mask has more to do with some doctors and bureaucrats not being honest about the efficacy of mask for viruses. Surgeons wear mask to keep from sneezing or having spittle enter into patients open wounds not to protect themselves. The truth is mask other than ones rated NH95 or better cannot filter out viruses because viruses at too small and can get through the mask. If you have every worn one of the NH95 mask you find out how restricted the breathing is in that mask and why you have to change them every hour.

      Mask wearing can keep from spreading bacteria and diseases caused by bacteria. They can’t stop you from spreading viruses. The people pushing for mask wearing know this, so we are told it is to protect others but what are we protecting them from if the mask doesn’t filter viruses. I am not opposed to people wearing mask but I am concerned that they are not told the truth about the cloth mask they are wearing. I know this information now reaches the level of heresy today with the push for civic duty and wearing masks but researching mask and what they filter out tells the truth.

      There has been much misinformation about this virus and mask wearing is just one example of good people misrepresenting science. I could bring up the numbers being used about hospitalizations, deaths, and other reporting going on.

      1. There has been much misinformation about this virus and mask wearing is just one example of good people misrepresenting science.

        ….said Dr. Vesuvius Fauci of Hoosier Scoop.

        Come to think of it, where is Fauci these days? He’s sure nowhere near the oval office. Did he also have a couple of unidentified faux military thugs in camouflage haul him away in a soccer mom’s van in the middle of the night? Scary times….Does the refusal to wear a mask now protect you from a Putin-style kidnapping…or is that just for black guys wearing masks?

        I don’t know where to begin, V-13. Guess there’s no point.

      2. Every public health organization and infectious disease expert who has weighed in on the subject have said masks provide protection for the public. Not wearing one is a sign of ignorance and selfishness.

        1. Bear is so right. http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0714-americans-to-wear-masks.html Masks do very little to protect the wearer and a great deal to protect everyone else. V13, you are free to “do researching for [your]self to get different information and judg[e] for [your]self . . ..” But, respectfully, what information did you find “different” from that relied on by the CDC or JAMA? And by what standard did you judge it? I mean, do you have any experience with medicine or disease other than being on the receiving end? Call me a rube, but I’ll take my chances and go with people who know a lot more about medicine and disease than I ever will. Actually, by wearing a cloth mask, I’m not taking any chances at all; I’m fully aware that it won’t protect me from the likes of you. But wearing one ’tis a trifling inconvenience considering how much it helps others.

          And yeah, I, too, have used/worn N95 masks and they are no fun. But no one is talking about those- the subject is cloth masks and whether they protect others than the wearer.

          1. davis, you missed my point that I am not against mask wearing but do have reservation about how effective they are. Many doctors have come out and said they are not effective against viruses but I don’t save sites to list them for you and others. I was just trying to point out there are different perspectives on mask wearing, according to medical people, it isn’t a slam dunk the way many are pushing mask wearing.

          2. Dr Fauci admitted that he and the CDC lied about mask in March for fear of people hoarding the mask doctors need now saying people need to wear mask. There are problems with the way CDC reports the # of cases and deaths IE auto accident deaths recorded as virus deaths. Pardon me for not believing someone that admitted he lied to us. I was taught that if someone lies to you they will lie again in the future. The way I judge info is the way I learned the scientific principle, looking at evidence and can it be supported with more evidence.

          3. V13- I think the evolution of the virus gave Fauci and other medical experts a better handle/understanding of the immunology and the virus’s preferred method of spread. I don’t think he “lied” about masks.
            But you may a bit correct on Fauci…. He has sent some mixed messages and he’s feeling a lot of political pressure from the White House. Hope to god he doesn’t become another Trump apologist. When I saw Fauci interviewed yesterday, it was obvious the mental strain he is under. He didn’t look well. Just another of the many who Trump has seized to undermine and discredit (e.g. Trump calling Fauci an “alarmist” and not inviting him to the most recent pandemic briefing).

  9. I actually don’t see the panic in terms of fear of illness or death. Maybe I’ve just been lucky that it hasn’t struck close to home.
    I think forcing things back to normalcy (which is another full ranging topic deserving debate as it pertains to how much “normalcy” exists it the world of sports) when leadership and plans against this virus are finding daily mixed messages and undermining tactics, displays far more state of panic. When we strip away all the distractions, pastimes and habits we all profess to barely be able to live without, it can be scary to examine and live with what’s left.
    Not to get to off-topic with my dad, again, but I found him to be quite the interesting character. He played football at a very high level. He had major Big10 scholarships to take his All-State standing to college and beyond. He enlisted in the Navy and did what many were doing for their country when WW II and Pearl Harbor was beset upon his youth. Never a resentful bone in his body to give up football. Never any he ever showed to me. Never a need for sports like I see today. He separated himself from it. I was the son consumed with it night and day. I had the passion he couldn’t relate. I found the heroes in Muhammad Ali and Ernie Banks…and many others whose names really meant nothing to him.
    I know he wouldn’t be “panicking” today if he were alive. But I do think he’d be agreeing with his son. He’d see those with such an imperative need for normalcy and to bring the crutches of diversions and fantasies quickly back into our lives…as those who are stricken with something beyond a love.

    Thanks for your service, V13. No matter our differences, I’d never pretend to be as selfless and brave as an American soldier. Stay strong and stay well.

      1. My apologies, V13. Thanks again for your service. Hope you didn’t take offense.

        Did find this interesting poster (pulled from a discussion on the topic). Take a careful look in the lower right corner.

        1. H4H no offense taken as I know no offense was meant. The idea of a Marine is a Marine not a soldier was developed to build esprit de corps later in Marine history. In today’s military with so many special forces and groups the distinction of being a special group is blurred. Many different groups in the military develop their own esprit de corps.

      2. davis you understand a Marine is a Marine and forever a Marine. I understand the generic use of soldier that H4H used.

        1. Yeah, Harv usually means no harm. I’m glad your’e not as touchy as few Marines I’ve known.

    1. H4H, your dad sounds like a man I wish I could have known but I would expect that based on getting to know you a bit on this site. One reason I would like to see a required service for everyone in this country – all go through boot camp and then decide on military or community service, is it puts all of us on the same level for at least for a while. Most of the people I have run across that were in the military are like you described your dad.

      I just imagine the good it would have done a young man in one of my classes when I taught at Brebeuf Jesuit in Indy. I told the class a story about my daughter in the car with me listening to the news report about someone winning the lottery worth several hundred million dollars and she told me “dad we would give some of it away to help people”. I asked her how much we would give away and she said $100 million. I told her she had the right idea but not the right amount as we would only keep enough to pay for our home and have money left to pay for her and our son to go to college. A boy in the class said “you wouldn’t give away $26 million if you got it in a trust fund from your grandfather. He was an example that saw what his grandfather earned was his just as if he earned it himself. This is how we get so many entitled people in society – given wealth they didn’t earn.

      1. Thanks, V. Miss talking to my dad. Miss the warmth of his voice sinking into my heart.

      2. v to inject a little FB into the thread I went to Rivals and studied and pondered the roster by position. Never have I been more positive about the LB talent, depth and size than I am for this season. Of the 8 listed LB’s half are 6’3″. The other 4 are 6’2″. I have never seen an IU LB corps with that consistent size. Many are fleet footed and also long. Tells me the hunt for talent is on point. Smashmouth FB is at home in Bloomington.

        1. HC, I look at the roster and it looks more like a B1G roster than anyone IU has had for quite a while. IU is good at least through 2 deep and in some positions 3 deep. This coming season, whenever it happens, the team needs to show it is ready to move up in the B1G. Last year the teams IU should have crushed they did and the teams that were tough games IU won close games against them. Now with experience and another year of weight training, they need to knock off a couple of the big boys this season.

          1. Yes, at least 1…and put the fear of IUFB into 1 at MS and 1 other on the road, W or L.

  10. They could pass a frivolous lawsuit act specifically for Covid19. There could be 1000’s of positive cases if students come back to college campuses in the fall for each IU size college. Also k-12 education. So, regarding the norm how to frame it and define it? Life norms; social, economic, civility, rationale (rational vs irrational). Where does it all end up?
    Both, especially when it hits home…Pandemics and War have commonalities that cost lives and other related costs.

  11. Such misinformed opinions! The science is clear: 1) wear a mask, 2) no groups over 5, 3) stay 6-10 feet apart, 4) frequent and full hand washing, 5) self monitor your health, 6) isolate if sick or exposed, 7) contact and report your contacts if positive. IU Football has 83 scholarship players plus 17 or so walk-one. Test #1 0/187, test #2 1-3 (?)/119, Test#3 6/(?), Total 7-9 (?) positive. The virus penetrates group activities, even careful groups. Follow the rules. You still might contract the disease. Of course the virus is too small to be stopped by cloth masks, but it is not motile, it is spread on respiratory droplets. Masks reduce the range Of those from 6-10 feet down to less than 1 foot.

  12. I don’t blame sports for planning to have seasons, but I think such plans are the contingency plans. I think it far more likely no games will be played. Although MLB plans to start in five days. If they get the full 60 game “season” plus playoffs in, I will be amazed.

    The Fort Wayne Journal Gazette quotes Allen: “We always end each lift group with a challenge about social distancing, wearing your masks, staying away from parties, staying away from events that are large group gatherings indoors. That’s the most dangerous type of environment we think to be in. We got a lot of people and you got to keep your mask on when you’re within six feet of other people whether inside or outside.”

    So, Allen has it wrong. You should be masked AND stay six feet away, not mask when you are withing six feet. Maybe he misspoke and gets it right with the players, but I wonder.

    I know of no one who claims the mask prevents the virus from going through it. I know of no one who claims the mask is for protection of the wearer. If you have the virus and do not know it your every breath is contagious. The mask prevents you from projecting the virus away from yourself, making it less likely that others will get sick.

    If two masked people, one of whom is infected, stand face to face and have a conversation, it is likely the uninfected person would be exposed to the virus.

    If enough people are in an enclosed space, at some point the virus that gets through the mask is going to spread through the room. Obviously, this happens outdoors too, but the quantity of fresh air dilutes the viral load.

    Mask AND Distance.

  13. Baseball and all sports look ridiculous with no fans in the stands. It speaks to a collective cultural arrogance which has infected sports. It is an affront to the humble cheer and the goodwill of dedicated support that has propelled many an athlete to get to the pinnacle of their respective professions.

    Sports coming back with no fans is to appease the pocketbooks of online gambling, Vegas and the contracts written in greed. It will serve as bizarre trivializing of the thousands normally in the seats who have died and continue to suffer during this pandemic.

    If we are at war, then you understand you need and respect that soldier next to you in the foxhole just as much as he needs you. Your differences in background, your differences in skin color, your differences in hometown …your differences in size of shoe or your differences in bank accounts colored from miles of green to sorriest blue mean nothing now.
    Maybe we should just leave the sky boxes and suites open for “fans” at games? Just allow the elites (friends of owners, big business donors, media moguls, ex-pro athletes, politicians) to be the “partner in the foxhole”…? But can those in the boxes look into the eyes of an athlete and be his/her true partner? Do they hold the unselfish cheer of a youngster blending into the sea and giving all his heart from a most distant chair?
    Fans are the brotherhood in sports now blatantly disposed and forgotten. Trivialized at a time they should be most appreciated and uplifted instead of marginalized as if it can function just fine without the eyes and hearts and lifelong support of the unknown and unseen.
    There is something obscene in this charades of 40,000 empty seats for each baseball game played? And now we’re bubbling the NBA in Disney World? College sports more concerned with starting and stopping than the messages of its existence without the fans….?
    The pandemic is certainly our health crisis of the day. But sports is in a different sort of crisis. It is in a crisis of forgotten brotherhood to the common man in the stands. It is in a crisis of egos out of control and self-infatuations so controlling of the purpose that the mirror of one’s own image replaces the eyes of the youngster in the stands.
    Sports has conceded to its own perpetual greed. It’s on the ventilator sucking up its last breaths after abandoning the eyes of those who believed in you until your final swings from home plate. How could we be so greedy and so foolish as to take such a precious thing for granted?

    1. So, if it cannot be done exactly as it’s been, then it shouldn’t occur at all? Good thing you’re not engaged in any sort of commercial or educational endeavor, and that you’re not in any position of leadership. Often, circumstances require adjustments, even fairly radical ones, if we’re to move forward. Your notion that we should simply freeze in place, indefinitely, unless we can do it as we’ve always done is an affront to those who would persevere in the face of great challenge. Literally or figuratively, you wouldn’t last three seconds in a foxhole with your mindset.

      1. Bringing the big, bad bear out again? Those who pound chest heaviest never have much to pound.

        The motivation to go forward in empty stadiums is nothing other than the greed machines fearful to lose control. And what is their control? The control is all in the dream state of an addiction they’ve fostered via a saturation so heavy as to make populations consuming like empty carbs believe it can’t be lived without.
        Many sports (nearly all) have been losing ground already. Attendance numbers have been dwindling and all but the strongest and oldest of markets weren’t feeling the hits to fading interest long before this pandemic. Where have the leaders and outside-the-box thinkers been for the last decade? They’ve been in found wanting before they’ve now made a pandemic all about their lost revenue. Why have the numbers been fading when so much coverage and saturation is available?
        Ponder…But they won’t ponder. They have no time to be humble or to ponder. They keep signing 100 million dollar deals while millions are fading into ICU’s and unemployment lines. The machine moves on. The dollars keep exchanging hands. The trades keep getting made. Sound familiar? Sound a lot like how the stock market is zero indication of the real suffering going on in the streets?
        And the machine of sports …and the scare tactics/threats that the world shall crumble with its momentary halt, are rooted in the same aloofness found in the tone deaf “successes” of Wall Street.
        They will make the tackle and hit the jump shot…and they will cash their checks. But the seats have been empty for quite some time…They are empty of a performer long departed from the idea those seats actually have eyes searching for reciprocity, commonality and mutual respect/admiration.
        To be appreciated and feel appreciated is to give a “thank you” in return. I suppose the “thank you” flew the white flag long ago. The cheers stopped meaning anything even when the seats were actually occupied. The actions to go forward in empty stadiums now merely proves the hypothesis. Empty pursuits. Empty souls. Empty seats with empty goals. The dollar sign is the only thing the eyes do gaze upon.
        Another crumbling institution already crumbling and fading before this pandemic. But spread the fear! You can’t live without it….rather than they can’t live without those who were once valued and married to it as much as a heart married to the lungs.

        1. And where did I say we should “freeze” everything? Many conferences are suggesting postponing. I’m all for options dependent on the actual viability of a particular sport given the state of its numbers in participation and how those realities factor in to the ongoing movements/spikes/regressions of the pandemic within sectors of the country/states/communities. Right now, that’s not looking too promising for a lot of areas of the country.

          I’m also for a little humble admission that going forward without fans is a contradiction to the true lifeblood of sports; the crowds and the essential interaction between performer and the actual flesh and voice of a live audience. Going forward without fans during a pandemic brings the potential for backlash. At minimum, there may be a sense that the performers have become so consumed with the “game” that they’ve fallen tone deaf to the realities outside those happy cash bubbles.
          Will the fans return with the same vigor if sports goes forward without them? Or will there be stronger returning numbers if some things are postponed, given a bit of perspective and reality check, while empathy takes hold over an imperative that sports “must” move forward with indifference to fans and happiness outside those bubbles?

          1. A lack of brevity is always a sure sign of a weak argument. We’ll house you in the FoxholeLite subdivision, back where you belong. The heavy lifting and problem solving won’t get near you back there.

          2. Tag along for all my foolish conspiracies and outlandish dissertations.
            Follow me everywhere I go. I say “foxhole,” you say “foxhole.” Sure sounds like a leader to me….lol. I’ll leave you two choices again…
            Choice A: You have nothing but snide
            Choice B: You’re also hooked to the “jester.”

            Solid gold.

  14. If there is a sports season this year, it is all about the money/dollar. No other way to look at it. You are entering a phase where the elite (1%) athlete makes about a $1 million dollars a week and 43% of American employees make $600.00 or less a week, but they are consider essential employees that must keep this economy going (truck drivers, grocery clerk, etc). Previous individual expressed that you need sports to help get this economy going again. If we (America people/society or this economy) cannot survive without sports for one season then this whole fiscal/economy systems is in desperate conditions.

    1. Or Choice C), I called it straight up and you’re scrambling to avoid the truth. Get to the back, H. You know the way.

  15. I had Covid 19 and still have lingering effects- short term memory loss, random dangerous spikes in blood pressure and shortness of breath. So you’d probably think I’d say shut everything down. But the reason the world quarantined in the first place was to slow the spread of the disease. There is no evidence, anywhere in the world, that once a population has Covid, quarantines lower the overall number of cases. Some people will get this disease whether or not we social distance. Until Covid affects about 15% of the population, the disease will continue to spread- a slower rate but for a longer time period if we social distance or a faster rate and shorter time period if we don’t. Let’s stop pretending that social distancing and masks are cures. At best, they SLOW transmission rates but at a huge cost to society and probably do not change the overall number of people that will eventually become ill.

    1. “There is no evidence, anywhere in the world, that once a population has Covid, quarantines lower the overall number of cases.”

      Well, we are too early in the game to know if this is true.

    2. What it does change is the hospital picture: it reduces the strain on the medical providers, on the hospital beds, on the ICU and speciality equipment demand. So if you get really sick from COVID-19 you can recover!

  16. What percentage of the population has been sick with the common flu? What percentage of the population die from the flu every year? How does the flu affect hospitals every year? Is there a cure for the flu? Is the flu vaccine 100% effective in preventing people from getting sick?

    We know the answers to those questions, and as time passes, we’ll know them about COVID-19. We also have and will continue to develop better “treatments” of therapeutics for people who get sick from COVID-19. It won’t be a cure, and it won’t be 100% effective, but it will allow our society to “manage” COVID-19 like we’ve been managing the flu for decades and decades. Until then, we as individuals and as a society have to decide how much we want to shut down and what the “costs” of those shut-downs will be.

    Suggest people read the history about polio and how U.S. society was terrified by it and yet persevered in spite of that very frightening disease.

    All this has happened before, and it will happen again. What matters most is how we respond.

  17. All of this squirming because of IU Football? All of this backlash to the science? All of this undermining of medical experts and CDC guidelines because you’re upset as hell an IU Football season may just have to go into lockdown for a few months?
    Hell, our stands were already basically empty without a pandemic. Hoosier Football fans should wear paper grocery bags over the head instead of masks. IU Football is a pigskin pandemic. There has never been a cure for the losing. Now a sideline cartwheeling snake oil salesman with prayer in his briefcase has entered to save us from the disease. Sounds very similar to our national policy for Covid-19. No supplies. No leadership. Deny. Ignore….Act superior to the rest of the world. Pray. Yup, IU Football in a nutshell.

    Imperative to have an IU Football season …..? Not to mention the high chances for an outcome equaling an autopsy when we now have nine or ten games in a modified conference only schedule? We’ve forever been on the ventilator, but playing only Big10 games is simply more exposure another round of the losing virus.
    Our only measures of claimed success against the losing football virus is when we “distance” from the Big10. Six feet? We need six hundred miles from conference opponents! See those empty seats? Those are 50-year antibodies. See those touchdowns by the other team? Those are actually “smart” T-cells.
    You boys don’t even understand the football pandemic you’ve been cheering for since you’ve stayed in your safe Bloomington isolation bubbles from time of puberty to gray hair… There isn’t enough medicare and medicaid in all of college football to warrant the cost of this patient. Now basketball is even terribly sick (threw voodoo medicine and prayer at it, as well) and you spout of “managed care?” Yup, 10 years of Crean was great management of that hoops patient once strong during the pigskin pandemic.

    Now I’m supposed to think you recognize a real pandemic? Take 2 aspirin and 2 ass coaches and call me in the morning.

  18. “See those empty seats? Those are 50-year antibodies.”

    What do you think, Jeremy? Yup.

  19. Though I don’t have mine anymore, maybe others can get their old electric football games out of the attic and paint one team the cream and crimson. The other team color could be changed weekly for the upcoming fall Saturday afternoons. Then, spend off weeks at Brown County State Park or in the Southern Indiana woods.

  20. I’m waiting for someone to come up with the head-to-head virtual football games. The racing world tried it to keep interest going.

    HH…. Say basketball season at least takes off. You mentioned CTC. This could the season where he shines. If the social distance standard is applied to the game any defense will be essentially useless. CTC is already ahead of the ‘new’ game.

  21. Don’t forget ping pong basketball….(not to be confused with the Crean years).
    Are those rims simply attached to modified cue cards?

    1. As a youngster I played
      Ping Pong Basketball. That may be a good game to play in one’s last days or a good game for nursing home basketball fans.

      1. Well, I wouldn’t have expected you to play it in college.
        College was the kingdom of Nerf basketball…Maybe a bit of pinball, too. Frisbee, turntables, and days never knowing an “internet” would someday replace stories and fables. Oh, the simpler times…Going to a basketball game was a treat and a momentous deal.

  22. I’m actually getting interested in boxing again.
    Also taking in some UFC from Fight Island. Roman Dolidze? Damn! That dude with the curly-haired chest looks meaner than Max Baer from ‘Cinderella Man.’

    No football for a few months? I’ll survive.

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