Four-star WR Jaquez Smith commits to IU

Indiana already had a four-star quarterback in its 2021 recruiting class with Donaven McCulley.

Now the Hoosiers have paired McCulley with a four-star receiver in Georgia’s Jaquez Smith.

Smith, a 6-foot-1, 190-pound pass-catcher from Atlanta, committed to the Hoosiers on Saturday. The speedster is considered the No. 31 receiver in the country, according to 247Sports’ composite rankings. 

Ranked as the No. 173 player in the country, regardless of position, Smith accumulated a myriad of offers during the recruiting process. The list included Southeastern Conference powers like Alabama, LSU, Georgia, and Florida, along with Florida State, Michigan, and Notre Dame, just to name a few others.

Earlier this year, Smith had narrowed his top 6 to Alabama, Colorado, Georgia, Kentucky, Minnesota, and Tennessee. IU didn’t enter the fray and officially offer until July 21.

Less than a month later, he becomes the Hoosiers’ highest-rated recruit of the last decade. Sampson James was ranked as the No. 181 player in the country in 2019. The only player rated higher in the last two decades, according to 247Sports’ archive, is Stephen Williams, a lineman who ranked No. 109 in the country in 2000.

Williams played two seasons at IU before transferring to Northern Illinois and then Northwest Missouri State. He played in the NFL for the Chiefs, Panthers, and Patriots.

IU has now recruited 11 four-star prospects dating back to 2000. Six of those have come during Tom Allen’s tenure.

In February, CBS Sports recruiting guru Tom Lemming tweeted about Smith, calling him a “super reliable WR with vice-like hands, big-time speed and smarts. Runs great routes and is the most physical WR in the state.”

Smith will attend Class 6A Westlake High School in Atlanta as a senior after playing his junior season for Hapeville Charter, a Class 2A school that went 10-2-1 and reached the state quarterfinals.

Here are his junior season highlights:


  1. How in the heck did IU go from not being on this guy’s top-six list to getting him to commit? We need to learn more about what transpired. I mean, look at the schools IU beat out for this kid’s commitment! It’s hard to believe he would choose IU over those other FB powerhouses. But maybe, just maybe, more and more of these kids are realizing that it is better to be a star on an up & coming team than it is to be the fourth or fifth best play at their position on a national powerhouse loaded with 4 and 5-star rated players.

    1. He didn’t have “commit-able” offers to most of the schools that are shown as offers, and he and his coach and family decided he needed to expand his focus. IU had been recruiting him for some time, so it was a right time/right place deal. He’s a very good player who hopefully will come back from injury. This is a recruitment that will probably go until signing day.

      1. He’s a very good player who hopefully will come back from injury.

        It always seems like our promising high level recruits always have the asterisk….Injury prone? Coming off injury? Durability questions? Competition questions? Investment questions? Can’t help but think of all the hyped qb’s who never (or have yet to) claim any big victories in an IU jersey ( e.g. Gunner Kiel, Dawkins, Tuttle, Penix).
        Calendars always pushed forward. Patience always asked for….Coaches and AD’s always exiting as millionaires praised for being great Christians and for great accomplishments in slapping improvements on old facilities. Fans always asked to keep waiting for basketball victories in a second weekend in March …or against any of the top football teams from our conference.

        1. Yes, that’s a valid point and not just at qb position. There have been a number of recruits even before T.A. that had a higher rating that came with a GLITCH. Some came to IU after other schools backed off or cooled on them for a variety of reasons. Top programs also get recruits that may have a glitch. However, at IU and the so called IU level schools players like these are often IU’s highest rated recruit. I can think of several players, some mentioned by H4h during and before T.A.
          IU basketball has 21st century examples of this as well.

  2. I hope the posters negative about coach Allen now understand it takes time to turn a school like IU around and maybe LEO is something that resonates with players and their families. IU keeps bringing in 4 star players more than other staffs. Our offensive players keep getting more talent that I hope makes the offense more explosive.

    I hope in the next few years we see IU now beating top teams in the B1G and pulling in more talented players. IU’s roster is getting better and better every year under this staff.

    1. v time is the key word. The right things have been done for a decade + to get IUFB on a solid foundation. Many small positives are now providing favored results. The other key is Coach Allen knows how to leverage all to talent on the field. He’s got a firm grasp of the job at hand.

  3. Some of these recruits and families are noticing high level of character in coach Tom Allen and staff…someone who they feel safe and secure to play for. Penix and Qbs can throw ball to this recruit. Substantial opportunity.

  4. V13, who are “the posters negative about coach Allen” that you refer to? I have not been reading too many posts critical of TA in a long time, especially not with regard to recruiting. Fans have every right to criticize their FB coach when things don’t go well. Heck I’ve criticized TA in the past and will probably do it again. But is anyone really criticizing Allen about recruiting? I mean, it can always be better, but he and his staff are doing a great job upgrading IU’s FB talent, and this news is just more evidence of that.

    1. Po, I don’t keep track of postings but I am talking about the ones saying recruiting hasn’t been improved because of the rankings, that success isn’t good enough, etc. I have no problem with legitimate criticism but constantly finding fault isn’t criticism and that is what I read on some postings.

  5. No season and I still feel great! Looks like coach Heard was instrumental. Congrats. ‘Breakthrough’ was Allen’s initial mantra. It took a few years, but this is a ‘the breakthrough’. When top, homebred SEC talent opts to come here versus anyone else down there, or ND…that’s beyond notable. “They like to call me speedo but my real name is Jaquez Smith,…hm hm hm ta da da…”

  6. Incidentally, in terms of quality of recruit ratings,..only Wis, PST, Mich and OSU higher right now. Very encouraging.

    1. Brad,
      I absolutely agree with your points. I wish we could get others to realize that it is the APR that’s important, not the overall rating. The number of players recruited skew the picture badly. By the team rankings one would think that Rutgers is having a great recruitment at the #24 spot versus IU at #49, but would you take a 2.76 APR over IU’s 3.15? TA may not need anymore than 13 recruits where Rutgers has recruited 21 lesser APR players, that’s not going to help in the B1G east.

      My hope is that TA is able to maintain the 3.15 for the recruiting class and maybe pick up a couple more 4* recruits to boost the APR to 3.25 or higher. Doing that over the course of several classes puts IUFB within .5* of the blue-blood FB schools and within striking distance of pulling the upsets we all long for. I know it still has to be proved on the field, but if these kids perform to their ratings, it could be a lot of fun.

      1. ta: Thanks. Essentially it’s about game changers versus roster fillers. If ’21 is back to normal IU should expect a relatively great season. NOBODY would look forward to playing them.

      2. A recruiting ranking could be as distorted from truth as a GPA. I won’t pretend to know anything about high school conferences and levels of competition in the cities and states where Allen is pulling his recruits…I can only know just how much it can skew things when it comes to basketball in Indiana. You have to be very careful in making claims of star power when conference titles and state titles are won at single A or 2A levels.
        A lot of guys look like real thoroughbreds until they face a competition level never seen in their high school days. With the truly pathetic level of competition IU Football found its victories last season, I don’t see how anyone cannot feel skepticism in the face of any hype.

        1. I agree that the recruiting ranks can be very distorted because more than conferences and HS enrollment based classes competition it depends on the state itself. If the state is a football talent hotbed, it is really less about the APR but more about what is the level of competition on the field and the speed of the game. This is what makes me suspicious of OSU’s lofty ranking and APR. When I look at the states where their recruits are coming from, for the most part, they are not the powerhouse HS football hotbeds. They may be good, but these kids are not coming from states where the speed of the game is already near collegiate level.

          The same holds true for HS basketball, what is the level of the game being played? For many years Indiana HS basketball was the gold standard until the overall tournament was abandoned. Don’t get me wrong, Indiana basketball is still much better than most states, but a tremendous advantage was forfeited by going to a class tournament. As for IUFB, it will take a number of 3.25* recruiting classes to cement any sustained improvement of on the field results. That is, assuming we even have collegiate athletics for the foreseeable future.

        2. I see absolutely zero over the last 2 seasons to give me thoughts of skepticism about the future of IUFB under Coach Allen’s hand.

      3. Brad, consider me naive but how are you coming up with the APR number? Iwant to better understand national recruiting and whate kind of recruits Indiana is getting now. Is this APR number a national ranking number? Does another ranking service use this number? Can you please provide any info? thanks.

        1. Sure. There are a handful of recruiting/scouting services that provide their own designation to each player. Two prominent ones are Rivals and 247. They use essentially the same metrics. Rest assured, if EVERY top school in the country went after Smith, he’s good. The ‘book’ on him is ‘a man’ among boys.
          Projected as a 2nd or 3rd round NFL pick.

          1. Every top school didn’t go after him, which is why he opened up his recruiting and ultimately was open to choosing IU.

  7. Sometimes I am critical or may be critical or question…..comments regarding responses to recruiting rankings, projections, and tradition …than T.A., himself.

  8. And who doesn’t love incremental improvements when a program has been basically stagnant for 50 years? Again, we gave the last basketball coach 9 years as the incremental improvements and hyped talent ended with cue cards.
    Does the fan base have the patience to stick with Allen for nine years? Will these incremental recruiting improvements make any headway against the ‘Murderer’s Row?’ Don’t they also make incremental improvements and land “game-changers?” Can thirty years of incremental improvements put us in any realistic position to conquer the Big10 East?

    Conference realignment ….Demand it. There is no lifetime long enough for incremental improvements when PSU, OSU and Michigan are a triple blockade to any semblance of fairness.

  9. This is a very good pick up for IU even if most of the major players backed completely off after Smith sustained the injury. The elite programs unceremoniously stop recruiting a player once they are considered damaged goods, regardless of the seriousness of the injury.

    With that having been said you caught me in a calculating mood so I began to run some numbers from the 2019 season and what IU needs to improve upon to become a viable contender.

    Last year IU went 5-4 in the conference. All five of those wins came against teams that did not register a winning record. In fact those teams went a combined 8-37. This is an indication that IU is beating the teams they needed to beat. The only conference team that IU lost to that had a losing conference record was MSU (4-5).

    Of IU’s five conference victories the average margin of victory was 16.4 points. The 35 and 31 point victories over Rutgers and Northwestern respectively helped inflate this average. Aside from these two contests IU’s average margin of victory in the other three games was 5.33. To me this indicates when IU plays equal competition the games are relatively decided by a single scoring drive. IU needs to improve upon this and change that to a two possession game or more.

    In the four conference games IU lost the average margin of defeat was 20.5. Those teams were a combined 26-10 with MSU being responsible for half of those losses. The two blowout losses to OSU and UM padded the margin of victory of IU’s opponents, otherwise the average margin of victory in the two losses to MSU and PSU was only 8. Again a one possession deciding game.

    Reflecting on the 2019 season the MSU loss is extremely irritating considering how bad a team the Spartan’s were, and how for the most part that game was in our control. It was early in the season and this young IU team had not yet learned to win the close game against a team of comparable talent. After this the only close conference game that they lost was to PSU.

    The loss to UT by 1 point was heartbreaking because I truly believed that IU had learned how to win the close games. My hope is that this learning process will not be lost due to not having a 2020 season. I also wonder how many key players will return for the 2021 season because several of the more talented (Scott, James, Penix) will have fulfilled the 3-year out of high school requirement for entering the NFL draft. The pandemic is going to be a game changer for these guys who may have been considering going to the NFL after their junior season. They might just opt to go pro instead of risking another shortened season or injury.

    1. Do you honestly think Penix would get drafted considering his body of work? I’m not sure if he can hit a wall of Charmin without injury.

  10. There’s already a lot of activity from players investigating transfer options, but there aren’t going to be a ton of open spots. I know some NFL scouts are already having informal discussions with college coaches about either an expanded combine, greater on campus pro days, or both, since it’s believed a number of players light on experience may decide to enter the draft next Spring.

    1. Ground Control to Major Tom: Again, bringing IU football back down to earth though they never were that far off the ground. First things first. Survival of this so called pandemic, political upheavals, and all the other chaos. Some of the things creating the chaos are not even accurate and has a lack of credibility. How are things framed and defined? A WWII documentary brings pause to how things are framed and defined. Any war could be used as an example. Then what may happen next. There are several to maybe many possibilities…including getting things calmed down and turned around…might be wise to put it first on the agenda. Then, back to 3 yards and a cloud of dust.

  11. The OSU and Michigan game this past season were very disappointing but the rest of the season showed how close IU is to moving up in the B1G East. PSU game showed if they can eliminate fixable mistakes they can knock off the top teams even in their imposing stadiums. Improving the roster will lead to beating a few of the better teams. IU needs to show winning results on the field like their game against Nebraska but beating the upper teams will show real progress that is tough to deny. Adding players like they have the past three years should get them there. Fans are starved for wins against the best teams in the B1G and I think IU is poised to deliver in the next season.

  12. While I appreciate the effort and the information SOSD, I could care less about the stats from last year, just as long as IU FB continues to produce winning seasons and goes to bowl games. As far as I’m concerned, the next steps in the program’s evolution are to #1) beat one of the big boys in the Big Ten East (MI, OSU,PSU) and #2) win a bowl game over a team from a Power Five school.

    Penix, if he stays healthy, has the talent to lead IU to new heights over the next two seasons. He has the potential to be a “game changer” and a program changer. In fact, I’ve heard speculation that Smith’s attraction to IU was in part due to the opportunity to play with Penix.

    1. A lot of “ifs” with MP, bit playing two more years isn’t likely one of them. Hopefully, we get one more year from him.

  13. Donaven McCulley may end up being a far more important and stable presence behind center (already listed at 6′-5″/195 as a high school junior) than Peekaboo Penix.

    He’s nearly 200 pounds and can run a 4.6-second 40-yard dash. Mallory will attest to McCulley’s arm strength, as well.

    “For a high school quarterback, it’s the best I’ve ever seen,” Mallory said. “That doesn’t mean just watching the Indiana kids. That’s watching any kid that’s a top quarterback coming up.”

    Well, we’ve got 12 months to discuss thinkaboutit. Scoop regulars can become true masters of “Loving Each Other.” Ouch. LEO on Scoop feels like a cutlery set of late. Has any of this 12 month delay really sunk in yet? And how close is college basketball to being on the chopping block with no ‘bubble’ lockdown similar to the NBA?

    Last year was going to be Penix’s coming out party….Now we have Peekaboo Penix meets pandemic…Now we’re on hold until fall 2021. Breakthrough Peekaboo wait some more with nothing to do? Kennedy got to the moon faster. Ground Control to Major Tom? Houston, we have a problem? IU Football is still on the launch pad. We have had men on the moon talking to Houston…and a Warren Moon in Houston, but Hoosier rocket ship still on launch pad. Do you read me, Houston? It’s getting hot in this Hoosier time capsule. My spacesuit fabric is deteriorating. I’m running out of Tang.
    Patience…Must have patience. Peekaboo Penix Coming Soon. He will take the Hoosiers to the moon. Over.

  14. ^^^above inspired by ‘t.’
    When you think of ‘t,’ think of Tang. When Scoop gets dull, ‘t’ brings his thang.

  15. H4h. Hahahaha! Yes, it seems that making “Merry” plays in Hoosier Scoop heads…just not realistically winning a whole lot…not since making “Merry” in an era known as
    “Good Knight.”
    With sprinkles of Pont/Rosebowl participation, Corso a Holiday Champ, and some Mallory nice wins and a Copper Bowl Champ vs Baylor but ouch vs VTech in Independence bowl game …Strong realism of a Doc Counsilman swimming and Jerry Yeagley Soccer dynasty back in the day…Baseball, Track, and Wrestling and other sports….Then, of course the Band and those high stepping Redsteppers and high flying Cheerleaders leading through it all…Still the Southern Indiana fall leaves continue catching the annual fever changing into mesmerizing color…leading into what has been a 21st century Indiana winter “White Out.” Then, comes 2021.

  16. BD, if Penix wants to be drafted into the NFL, he’ll need more than one more year of college FB. Remember, he’s a very young man for his class. I believe he will stay with IU another two seasons. Let’s just hope he is relatively healthy for both of them.

  17. I think they’ll be fortunate to get another year out of him, but two might be a bridge too far. If he elected to transfer tomorrow, there are several schools that would easily find a spot for him. And while I can’t imagine other schools communicating that message to MP and his family over the last few days, you shouldn’t be shocked if he’s been made aware of what his options to play immediately might be. I agree he should stick around and play at least one more year and he loves IU,, it’s pretty much a given that he’ll request an evaluation from the NFL after this “season”.

  18. I would not be stunned if Penix transfers…..especially considering the very highly-touted qb coming to IU from Lawrence North.
    Would Penix be granted a waiver from the NCAA because he’s been out so long with injuries and hampering his chances to get back in front of NFL scouts could be deemed unfair?
    Don’t be shocked. But it seems as if he’d have to pull that trigger real soon.

  19. BD, you made mention of transfer in your last post. Why would Penix ever transfer? Is it because the Big Ten canceled the season? In spite of that travesty, Penix is virtually assured of being the starter on a Big Ten team that is on the rise once the Big Ten’s Presidents pull their heads out of their backsides. I doubt Penix would transfer to a team in a conference not in the Power Five. As for the three remaining Power-five conferences that intend to play (as of now) this season, where’s he going to be assured that he’ll be the starter? One never knows, but I believe it is highly unlikely that Penix would transfer this late in the year.

    Penix has only played in nine college games, and in some of those he got limited reps. So Penix does not have a lot of experience, especially big game experience. In addition, he has a history of injury, so I doubt too many teams see him as a shoe-in for the starting QB spot.

    If Penix were to apply for the NFL Draft after just one more season, he might get picked in one of the later rounds, but we know how those low-round draft picks tend to survive in the NFL. But if he gets two more successful seasons in, and stays healthy, I could see Penix being drafted in the first two rounds.

  20. Why would he consider a transfer? He’s barely seen the field since he arrived at IU and now he’s looking at another season without playing. He’ll be an academic senior next Fall with very little playing time to show for it and a ticking eligibility clock. He wants to play in the NFL and he’s burning daylight from an experience standpoint. Not saying he’s going to leave, but you might be surprised at some of the options that might be available to Big Ten players.

  21. A number of things have evolved since the decision to kill football for 2020. ‘Things’ like clarity, justification, player, coaching, parent, some administration negative feedback in the conference and so on. One of them…loss of BIG $, especially in the face of what three other conferences have decided. Bottom line: I feel there is a 40% chance that there will be a season,…”in the interest of our student athletes”. (Coded) Big Ten Network and millions of dollars needlesly thrown off of the Navy Pier. INDY 500, NASCAR, MLB, NFL, NBA, PGA, LPGA, WNBA, MLS…(even USL playing in front of limited fans) playing it out without fans but functioning with TV money. Look for an 8 game conference season beginning in mid-late September. I have no inside info, just reading tea leaves.

    1. Yes Brad, details and #’s may end up different but you are facing in the right direction. I just don’t think Spring offers near the possibilities for a season of competition. ACC, B12, SEC play CFB in Fall of 2020 and B1G play Spring 2021. I don’t see it. PLAY Ball

  22. I think BD is absolutely correct in the assessment of the Penix situation, not to mention quite a few other B1G players. Spring is not an option for the top players because, even if injury free, it is too short of a recuperation time before a potential nfl season. I am very concerned for B1G athletics in general if they do not get this figured quickly and get football on the field this fall. I think the damage will have much farther reaching implications should there be no football anywhere. If there is no football, I think there is a high probability of no basketball either, and not because of the virus.

    The biggest threat to the college basketball season is no football season and that is because of economics. While IUBB is relatively self-sufficient, a great number of programs are highly dependent upon athletic department revenues derived from football. If football goes down we may lose all college athletics until the fall of 2021. Saw in the Madison paper a couple days ago that UW is projecting a 100 million dollar athletic budget shortfall. The bigger concern may well be the financial shape of the colleges themselves.

    Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe BD alluded to declining donations to the schools a few days ago. We also know 2 other things, first, athletic programs have a big impact on the private donations to schools for academic purposes. Secondly, we know there are several states which are teetering on bankruptcy which means state funds may be meager. It may not be just athletic programs that go by the wayside, but the schools themselves especially in the non P5 conferences.

    1. Athletic department donations are and will take a hit, and general giving will take a hit, as well. Kids are back on campuses right now because colleges could not afford to shut their doors for even a semester without mass furloughs and the possibility of significant financial restructuring. Endowments, by the way, are of little assistance here.

      Athletically, IU is positioned better than most because of our modest football revenues. The big guys are going to get pounded. As an example, Iowa is projecting a budget shortfall of somewhere between $60M and $75M on a revenue decline of $90M+. The Big Ten distribution will fall sharply. Capital projects everywhere are being frozen, as is hiring. When travel returns, budgets will be cut drastically. The modeling they’ve done is ugly because the financial projections are dire. And no matter what anyone says, non-revenue sports will be under great scrutiny, starting on the men’s side. Depending on the school, cuts to those programs are inevitable.

      And this is a major conference. Imagine if you’re in the MAC or the AAC or SWAC of MWC. No football for any of them will have an even bigger impact because they don’t receive large revenue distributions from their conferences. When football does return, it’s the reason why the four out of conference games will continue, since there will be a concerted effort among the majors to assist the mid majors. Without that, some schools will have to consider major cuts.

      1. BD,

        You’re reading the same tea leaves as I am. My 2 major concerns are first, without the football revenues a great many schools will not be able to financially put a basketball team on the floor. So even if IU is in good shape, they may not have many opponents to play even if the virus is not a concern. Secondly, the damage the B1G is doing to itself football recruiting wise may set the league back competitively many years.

        OSU was just coming back to national respectability, and this could be lost along with the season. A lot of the top football kids, and depending on how this goes maybe many other sports, are going to think twice about coming to the B1G because of this. Especially if the other conferences go ahead with the football season. Conferences going forward with the football season may not have the normal revenues from the attendance, but their TV revenues will not take as big a hit. Conference TV revenues which in comparison to the seating revenues, are far greater even at 100% capacity in the stadiums.

        1. I think schools will be able to field basketball teams. My concern is Track & Field, Swimming, Tennis, etc., starting with the men’s sports. And I agree about the conferences that play. They’ll take hard revenue hits, but less hard than by not playing at all.

  23. The problems with the shutdown of the fall season are many. I have to wonder with the new saliva testing that gets answers in 15 minutes will make the B1G look even worse because I don’t see B1G presidents changing their minds. The argument that players will get the virus during games or practices is bogus if testing is done several times a week. The saliva test is inexpensive and easy to administer but is it enough to change the decision. The NBA is having good success with the saliva testing and can be an example for presidents to look at. You have to hope the presidents are willing to change their ruling with new info coming out.

  24. The question is…will the same things still be discussed in 2021…how much turmoil and chaos or progress…the effects economically have still not been felt to the extent they will be…because there are a lot of bubbles that have been leaking to almost hemorrhaging that are already ready to burst…or like a bear coming out of hibernation…or will it be in the rearview mirror??? What will one year from now look like??? This country is being attacked from within in a variety of ways. This country is very confused and scared. This country in its weakened state makes it very vulnerable to foreign attacks along with domestic turmoil. Leadership on all sides are dazed and confused along with citizens that are catering to societal fringes/fringe groups. Is sports talk ignoring with ignorance hoping that things will just go away in its efforts to want normalcy??? What will one year from today in depth reality look like in 2021??? Can anyone really truthfully know??? The T in the road has approached. Turn left or right, make a U turn, or go forward and pave a new road. Currently, things have come to a halt in the intersection of this country.

    1. I don’t have an answer to most of your rhetoricals, other than to say that many aren’t likely to be answered within such a limited time frame. In regard to Big 10 athletics, I think times will be difficult but that most programs will ultimately endure (assuming a viable vaccine or vaccines are developed and administered). Like any upheaval, new ideas, techniques and paths will come from this, and some things will be forever changed as a result. But there will be pain in the interim. Financial pain, for sure, as well as the pain of experiences lost that likely won’t be replaced. The lesson: Sometimes, things just suck, but you persevere and make the best of things. If the attitude to move forward is there, most challenges are no match for the people who encounter them.

  25. Define “inexpensive”? And help us understand the logistics of testzing upwards of 125 players, coaches and support staff several times a week so that results are both accurate and timely. If you can refer to legitimate concerns as being “bogus”, I would hope you would do so only with the satisfactory answers to those questions.

    No one wants to see the season cancelled, but the either/or, black/white divisions you and a few others try impose on this matter aren’t very thoughtful. No way forward is without risk, but that risk can be studied and hopefully mitigated. I understand you very much want a season, but there are crucial issues that must be understood here.

    1. BD,

      If V13 is referring to the new test developed by Yale and approved by the FDA recently, they are proposing a price of $10 per test. I think that would be very economical for P5 programs even if administered multiple times a week.

      1. Seems reasonable, especially considering the expenses already incurred. I think the bigger issue will be timing. How quickly can samples be tested and results be provided?

        1. BD,
          My understanding is there is a 3 hour turnaround time if this is what V13 is referring to.

          1. Tested on site? Does IU have that capability? Do other schools? Three hours from when the individual submits saliva until the results are known?

          2. BD,
            As best as I can determine, a great many labs will be able to process as specialized equipment will not be necessary. Apparently this test has been under development in cooperation with other entities including the nba.

    2. My views aren’t black/white either/or divisions but this forum often needs to stay focused on the topic that is brought up. This forum isn’t a place to bring up entire screeds about topics that consider every aspect of topics. Life is risk and I think individuals should be the ones to determine their own risk. This entire virus reaction is fraught with bureaucrats and politicians that look at a narrow perspective without considering the entire results of the steps they take.

  26. Those were the days my friend…After a late morning, AFTERNOON, and late afternoon or very early evening ending another TV Saturday football game day. Then, a tranquil calmness on the day as THE PRUDENTIAL GAME DAY gathered scoreboard results and post game results as another fall Saturday night fell up on all the land…Those were the days my friend.

  27. Good discussion fellas. My overall concern is that our “leaders,” but mostly the media, choose to emphasize the risks of playing FB, but are not at all concerned or they choose to ignore the risks and carnage that will result from not playing FB. Our population’s health and our economy are completely intertwined and inseparable (so too is our national security). But the Big Ten Presidents don’t seem to understand or care about that fact. Or if they do, they’re so risk-averse and conditioned by the fear of litigation, they can only focus on covering their butts by choosing the one course of action that they can’t be sued for. No one is going to file a legitimate law suit because because they cancelled the FB season to “protect” the players (and coaches) from contacting COVID-19 or spreading it! Yet there is no scientific evidence that playing the games would increase the risk of a player or a coach contacting the virus. And, it is arguably safer for those players, coaches and their families if they were under the supervision (and getting regular testing) of their highly structured FB programs. Which scenario is safer for a 20-year old young man: being free to do whatever he wants without any supervision, structure or accountability, or being supervised and lead by professionals with the resources and motivation to protect those young men? It’s a no-brainer, but the Big Ten Presidents have, in essence, deprived those young men of the resources that would best help protect them and their families from this virus.

    In my opinion, what the Big Ten Presidents did by canceling the FB season was cowardly, selfish and myopic. And their decision will probably do more overall damage, in both the short term and the long term, than if the FB games were played. But at least none of those Presidents will be sued for the decision they made. How’s that for leadership?

    1. The above message was brought to you by…..

      being free to do whatever he wants without any supervision, structure or accountability

      Yeah, baby! Isn’t that why everyone wants to go to college!? Unless you’re an athlete. Athletes must remain as pure and sterilized as a testing swab. LOL.

  28. In the category of…’Because it’s Jester.’

    How did UNC’s campus become a cluster-fukudome in just one week? Should have followed the sports teams examples and offered students the ‘Schedule of Ghost Classes.’

    Mike Lindell is a world class Covid opportunist. Mortuaries are now pushing the ‘My Dead Pillow’ for the afterlife.

    I’ll admit I was wrong…Tom Crean does speak to god. While all basketball coaches in the BigTen will surely suffer 50% reductions in their salaries due to the massive hit to football revenues, Tom Crean remains unscathed. #Joyce…#It’s Georgia…#Cue Cards to Happenstance.

    SEC soon to unveil new television ad campaign….
    College football: It’s more infectious than ever!

    Most of you have callously avoided the biggest price of a shutdown.

    1. Add ND to being a cluster-fukodome in one week. “Spiking” ain’t just an end zone penalty for excessive celebration.

  29. College football players forced to hunker in bubbles and incarceration-like “structured prison yards” should be filing massive discrimination lawsuits against their universities. They are “student-athletes”….and not just athletes being paid like professionals. If students can gather at huge off-campus parties and move about town freely, then an unpaid non-professional athlete should not have a same right denied.
    Idiots like Trevor Lawrence are bending over backwards to promote a form of plantation football which limits rights to freedoms all “students” should enjoy. Amateur football should not return unless the right of not being locked down? How does this protect young people from the next Jerry Sandusky. Locking them in bubbles with pedophiles and creeps is better than being a normal student able to freely move about campus?

    Start a petition drive….”FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHT TO NOT BE BUBBLED!” You deserve the same reason every young person goes to college: TO BE FREE!

    1. The lovely “structured and safe environment” supplied to young men just experiencing life away from home at the hands of some true role models like the wife-abuser, Zach Smith, at OSU? Or, maybe a nice “structured Mr. Rogers Football Covid Neighborhood” with a berating lunatic like Kevin Wilson who singles out a player as a loser for being injured? You just want to trustingly hand those same locks and keys to every college football coach across the country? Bubbles for grown men is one thing. Most grown men know an assistant coach dragging a 10 year old boy into the football locker room showers is wrong.
      I worry about accessibility ….More limits on journalists to follow teams. More limits from public transparency and open door policies. Football turned into a cult-like endeavor where grown men (mostly white men) make all the riches while brainwashing those in the locked hallways and dorm rooms it’s all for the preservation god, glory and their own good.

  30. oops…(misplaced punctuations)

    Amateur football should not return unless the right of not being locked down? [is guaranteed]. How does this protect young people from the next Jerry Sandusky. [?]

  31. In 2014-15, 48 percent (3675 of 7695) of all power conference (ACC, Big Ten, Big-12, Pac-12 and SEC) football players were black, but just nearly 90 percent (57 of 64) power conference coaches were white.

    So we basically have a bunch of rich older white guys telling unpaid blacks guys doing all of the work on the fields that they can’t move about freely? Sounds like ‘South’ to me. Football fields are the new cotton fields.

  32. Have been staying on the sideline while the pros/cons of no football were being rehashed for the the millionth time. But whoever wrote wrote that it made no sense to ban football but allow students back to dorm rooms made a lot of sense. So much so that this afternoon Mich. St. told its residence hall undergrads to stay home this semester. Some exceptions are being made for grad students and professional schools.

  33. Instead of new giant walls at the U.S. – Mexico border, we should have been building a 30-foot high sneeze shield between the North and South. This could be known as the Salad Bar Shield Covid Compromise….

  34. What was/is the plan? We were first told that we needed to flatten the curve and slow the spread. That was accomplished. The media narrative now appears to be to prevent transmission. That’s an impossibility without a vaccine. Science has yet to prevent the flu or the common cold.

    I refuse to wear a facemask when I am outside, and will only wear one in public if asked, otherwise I’m not buying into the hysteria. This is a virus that has a 98% survival rate, or about the same as the seasonal flu.

    I listened to an epidemiologist that said eventually 330 million people in the US (the entire US population) will be exposed/test positive for COVID-19. Some will be asymptomatic and never experience any symptoms, others will have mild symptoms, others severe, and for even a smaller number it will be fatal. That’s life. We take precautions for those who have compromised immunity, but the rest of us need to move on with our lives. My opinion is to expose everyone to the virus except the elderly or those with compromised immunity that way we have herd immunity. If everyone has been exposed no one has to worry about practicing social distancing, wearing a facemask, quarantining, and we can all return to our pre COVID-19 lives.

    1. SOSD,

      That is an amazingly sane perspective for this board. Isn’t it funny how simple the solution can be when there are no agendas behind the perspective.

      Herd immunity has been the way of dealing with most diseases since the dawn of time. The reason is very simple, we can’t find cures for every transmittable disease no matter how good our science may be. The only way is to either hope the virus mutates into a less lethal variety or our own natural immune systems become able to fend off such infections. In earlier years, society couldn’t shut down or everyone would starve. In our present day, it may take longer, but if we try to hide our collective heads in the sand, a calamitous societal collapse will occur.

      1. Way, way to much common sense coming from tai/SOSD. Processing-Processing-Processing-Processing

    2. Thanks for the post as many of us feel the same way. People think the gov’t can stop this virus or any other virus. What we can do is protect the vulnerable to reduce death rates but keeping people from getting the virus is a fools effort. I prefer to live life and not hide away while taking reasonable steps.

  35. We can’t even pass a second stimulus package to help those compromised. Divider in Chief is limiting the operations of the U.S. Postal Service when “compromised” Americans and Veterans need medications [ensuring] a baseline of health.

    1. . . . and exactly who should say this message is from Harvard???

      However, despite the amount of misinformation you tend to put out there, I confess to being somewhat confused on this post. I am quite surprised with the amount of animus you exhibit towards the former occupant of the WH. I would have assumed him to be beloved of you. You do know that the moniker “Divider in Chief” was exclusively assigned in 2009 to the former resident of the WH by his opponents? You do know that don’t you??? I can’t believe that you would be so unimaginative as to have to resort to a rather old juvenile type of “I know you are but what am I”, argument.

      1. Trump already had experience with ‘My Pillow’…..It was those fake augmented things on Stormy Daniels. Best night’s sleep ever, said the ‘Boob-in-Chief!’

        1. Sadly, ‘My Stormy Pillows’ weren’t down-stuffed as advertised….They were actually “Get Down-stuffed” with recycled Goodyear tire rubber.

  36. Dropped the ball for 2 months…New strategy? Cut off the U.S. mail and snuff virus out with a giant ‘My Pillow.’
    Continue to brag of passing a cognitive test where you identified a giraffe.

  37. So what’s with all the spiel that college athletes are the most responsible and “peer driven” members of an exclusive sports community and will do everything possible to limit contact/spread and adhere to strict protocols? Is that herd immunity? Why care?
    If you want herd immunity (and you want it to begin at schools and college campuses), then why not just start the Covid free-for-all? Why even test college athletes if they are part of the very low risk general student population? Most will live…A few will get very sick. An even fewer amount will die. Is what it is. Let them into the student population …Let them herd. Let them be free. Let them go to casinos and bars on weekends . Let them live and have fun like any free member of a college community. Aren’t they students?

    I’m with you guys totally..If student can go to massive campus and off-campus parties in massive numbers (a.k.a. herd specialists), I find it ludicrous to plantation farm football and make athletes do everything opposite from encouraging herd immunity.

    Alabama and other football programs going forward are not promoting herd immunity. They are promoting doing everything opposite than the general population going to political rallies, parties, etc, etc.

    Go for it. Open it all up. Open up all schedules and travel. Why limit it to conference play only? How does that help a national policy of herd immunity? Quit wasting the millions upon millions (including limiting fan participation which only causes more needless fear and more earnings losses) to test and limit athlete’s having community/fellow student contact. (a) why should they only deserve such repeated testing efforts and expense to ensure their health and safety ? (b) Isn’t it a complete contradiction to getting this “herd immunity” thing going? (c) why should a star quarterback on a college football team be denied his right to go to a massive party or a concert in mask(less) defiance?

    Let’s get this herd thing going. I mean, who are we protecting? Nick Saban?

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