PSU doc says ‘alarming’ rate of myocarditis factored into B1G decision

STORY UPDATED (7:02 p.m.) 

Penn State’s top football doctor tossed out an alarming statistic about COVID-19 and its links to myocarditis.

But later Thursday, after Wayne Sebastianelli’s words gained national attention, PSU’s director of athletic medicine clarified his claim that a third of Big Ten athletes who had contracted COVID-19 were found to have heart inflammation. Through a spokesperson, he said he was referring to a study from Ohio State cardiologist Curt Daniels that claimed nearly 15% of athletes who tested positive for COVID-19 were also found to have myocarditis.

Earlier this week, when Sebastianelli made his one-third comment, he was speaking with members of a State College school board as they deliberated plans for local sports.

“During his discussion with board members, he recalled initial preliminary data that had been verbally shared by a colleague on a forthcoming study, which unbeknownst to him at the time had been published at a lower rate,” read the PSU statement.

Myocarditis has become a buzzword in the debate about whether to play college football this fall. Big Ten commissioner Kevin Warren mainly expressed concerns about the unknown in backing the conference’s decision to postpone sports, and Sebastianelli’s comments — though not completely accurate — fell within the same lines in regards to the virus and its links to heart damage.

“We don’t know why it happens, we don’t know who it’s happening in,” Sebastianelli told the board. “But some of the testing that has occurred across the Big Ten has revealed roughly 30% of athletes (have) this inflammation.”

Cardiologists have generally considered myocarditis a rare condition in young people, which, for the most part, heals with time. The Mayo Clinic’s Michael Ackerman has been critical of canceling seasons due to the existing COVID-myocarditis research and was credited with allaying the fears of Big 12 leaders before a decision to play football.

“My point was to ask officials to look under the hood to see if there’s enough evidence in relation to the heart,” Ackerman said in a recent interview with Syracuse’s student newspaper, The Daily Orange. “In other words, if the (Big Ten) conference received enough evidence to say that we reached a tipping point because of a heart issue, then I cry foul.”

As this situation underscores, research into the long-term effects of COVID-19 is just beginning. Sebastianelli admitted that it’s too soon to know definitively how COVID-19 affects the heart compared to, for instance, a virus like influenza.

A lack of understanding about the long-term effects of COVID-19 was one of the reasons why the Big Ten chose to push back sports, Sebastianelli said.

“We really don’t know what to do with it right now,” Sebastianelli said. “We really want to study this further and figure out what’s going on with the student-athletes.”

Sebastianelli compared incidences of COVID-19 infection and its potentially harmful effects to lightning strikes.

“We’re dealing with lightning, there’s no question, we stop the event,” Sebastianelli said. “We are not going to tolerate the fact that one in 12,000, times .1, are going to die. That’s a very low number. We are dealing with very much different numbers with this disease that are at a much higher level of potentially causing a problem. Putting the risk and the mitigation together is really challenging for this. It’s something we don’t have any experience with. This virus is new. This is a virus that acts very differently than influenza. And it’s something that needs to be respected.”

“I’m not saying you cancel sports,” he told the board, “I’m just saying it needs to be respected.”

52 comments

  1. I don’t recall the Big Ten saying that their concerns about myocarditis was the reason they chose to postpone Fall Sports. Maybe I missed it.

    So, is myocarditis a temporary condition? Is it treatable, or is it permanent? Because if it is permanent, then a very high number of young athletes’ careers have come to an end.

    1. Death is permanent….unless you can prove otherwise.

      What if Feeney’s mother had not come forward? Suddenly, we had 10-12 cases of this condition across BigTen sports. Would we have heard these results had she not come forward? Maybe they were being reported and I just missed it.
      How much testing for this condition is being done at programs going forward? Will the SEC and other conferences going forward be giving EKG’s and MRI’s to detect this potential side effect when athletes test positive for Covid? Will the heart testing continue long after the disappearance of what many thought were just “mild” side effects of contracting Covid?
      I commend HT for putting the original tweets/concerns of Feeney’s mother onto their pages as well. What parent would feel comfortable with sending a kid into extremely competitive/high level exertions upon the body, lungs and heart when the heart muscle may be on the verge or in stages of serious inflammation?

      I can’t see how the other conferences can go forward. Ethical issues aside, have they thought of the legal ramifications?

      1. They are so far ahead of you even though with this feint you project to us that they aren’t. More uninterupted, incessant blather.

  2. The thing I wonder is where is the supporting evidence from other schools with this bold claim. With any virus causing the condition why haven’t we seen this results like this before. I worry when we get one source to support a supposition and people misunderstanding words used to describe the reality of the situation. Sebastianelli “I’m not saying you cancel sports,” yet his words and misinformation make it so B1G presidents who are risk averse had little choice but to cancel the season.

    H4H, life is full of risk are we to keep from young people from activities for fear of what may happen? We saw this with CTE in football player brains but that has gone by the wayside. We don’t look at the risk military people face, firemen, police, factory workers, farmers, and any other jobs that have physical risk. Saying young people don’t have the right to decide for themselves what risk to take because we think they shouldn’t. My parents weren’t happy or feel good about me joining the Marine Corps but they didn’t stop me from joining nor did the people protesting against the war.

  3. On a different note, did anyone see O.G. hit the game winner last night versus the Celts. It was smooooth.

  4. V. Good and valid points. Living always carries the risk of death. The balance between living alive vs living dead? Where is the pendulum swinging? What are the scales of balance for a society as a whole given the fact that in just a 100 years by today’s standards those who are living now and born today; all but a very very very few will all be dead. Living alive vs living dead?

  5. So “t” and H4H” you are saying “everyone should live their life to their fullest and dam the risk and how it may affect other individual…drive that car at 100 mph….ignore that gas in the coal mine “the canary lived”.

  6. V one incident of support is the Boston pitcher who developed myocarditis and now his career is over. People live and die every day. Some die because they make a bad decision; some die as result of disease whether developed (cancer) or contracted like meningitis. Some die because Their life is placed in jeopardy because of decisions made by others who have no concern for the well being of others . The latter has been exhibited with Sturgis, Memorial Day parties or as now students partying off campus. Like the point I made yesterday “you can cancel activity but you cant cancel people’s behavior. The concern for Myocarditis is not only the current inflammation BUT ( leaning on my medical knowledge) The virus embeds itself into the cardiac muscle, lying dormant over time until other medical conditions allow it to “revisit”

  7. I realize this virus is a different situation about how you get in the situation you are in but it reminds me of when running was taking off in the 70s. Long distance running was the think for fitness and all of a sudden doctors found out that many well condition world runners had very low pulse rate because the hearts were bigger and stronger. The word went out and said runners had to stop putting so many miles each week because it was hurting their hearts.

    I paid attention back then to the news because my heart rate was in the high 40s t that time due to my conditioning in the Marines. I knew I was in great shape and didn’t worry that my pulse rate was down as I knew how it went down each year as my conditioning got better. Many top runners took a break based on doctors reports and people were questioning if you should run 80 miles a week or more. As it turned out, the early reports were not true about the danger and it was about being fit as they learned more.

    My point about this is we have seen many situations that were hyped early and later found not to be as big a danger as feared. For the B1G to cancel the fall season because of the PSU doctors report – that wasn’t accurate- shows they don’t understand history of other issues IE the Alar scare that destroyed Apple Orchards, the fear of Earth cooling down becoming another Ice Age in the 1970s, fear of bubonic plague showing up in the SW USA and spreading, computer death as we went into the change from 1999-2000, etc. I am just saying our reaction to danger can go amok and we need to be careful about jumping to conclusions just because something agrees with out ideas.

    1. Who made the bogus claim that the PSU doctor’s report was not accurate? I have never seen that claim made by any reputable source!

      1. That would be the 15% report not the 30% claim. 15% is way above the “normal” incidence of the condition before Covid-19 was present.

  8. “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”

    Is there a better way to control a person and/or the masses than to instill fear in them? I can’t speak to the motivations of others, but IMO a lot of people have been using the coronavirus to try to instill fear in the American people and therefore control aspects of their behavior and their mindset. Pay attention, continue to educate yourself, notice the difference between what our “leaders” say and what they actually do (so many examples of their duplicity and hypocricy they’re too numerous to site here). Be a bit cynical and suspicious of the so-called leaders and elites, and be very suspicious of the media, the vast majority of whom are highly biased and promoting an agenda. And remember, almost all information gets distorted and blown out of perspective during an election year.

    Most importantly, take responsibility for staying informed, doing your best to protect yourself and your loved ones, and not placing too much power over your life in the hands of elected officials or government bureaucrats. And remember the words of the great Jim Morrison, “no one hear gets out alive.”

    1. How can wearing a mask equate to a “fear response”? It is a very rational, very patriotic, action to help others while helping yourself. Also, if you are quoting yourself, give us some of your documented training and experience. If not, then who made this pithy statement and why should we care?

  9. I’ve pretty much avoided the comments section for the mental health of myself, but the crux of all of our views about this situation are encapsulated in this discussion. Part of me says, “Eff it, just get in your car, go the mountains, build a campfire and let it go,” but the other part of me that’s winning this debate right now says, “You’ve been talking to these people for decades, so share your thoughts and why not engage a bit.”

    V13, your analogies are completely irrelevant. This pandemic is a situation the carries UNKNOWN TAIL RISK. What that means in simple terms is, despite the most educated of medical professionals all trying to figure things out, we simply just don’t know how bad anything can get. The tail risk in the case of a highly infectious (not debatable) and lethal disease (not debatable) is that no one knows just how deadly, how widespread, how to treat it. These are things we are slowly figuring out, but there’s a lot of misinformation, some of which is intentional and some of which is just the nature of trying to synthesize and find answers to complex systems. In the case of covid, making a mistake is not additive, it is multiplicative. And we will make many many more collective mistakes.

    Right now, we still don’t know what’s in the tails. Some studies will be wrong, others closer to the truth. Treatments will get better, but some will come with side-effects we can’t see right now. Some communities will get hit hard, others will remain unscathed. It’s “chaos”, and you have people lining up in typical American fashion, on one side or the other of the political spectrum.

    In short, we don’t need to lockdown society. That’s the extreme end that came in April and May that we don’t need anymore. Here’s what we should do to nip this in the bud:

    Controlling superspreaders
    Hyperactive testing
    Border control
    Forcing face masks

    Playing football, especially in front of fans, has the potential to be a superspreader event. Not every stadium is located in a town of 50k residents. All you have to do is be wrong ONCE and now you have a situation that can put hundreds of thousands, maybe millions. What if something goes wrong at a home game in Pittsburgh?

    This isn’t about being fearful of danger, either. I’ve climbed 4 Himalayan peaks above 7k meters. I’ve sold all my possessions to run my own business from funds out of my own pocket vs investors (and failed). It’s fair to say my risk taking in life is top 1%. But by having my own life on the line, I can cross over and identify when someone is serving up a load of BS and doesn’t really understand risk. The mountains are inherently risky. But by being an idiot, you can multiply the negative/downside effects when something goes wrong. It is important to understand what you do “when you don’t know,” which is pretty much all the time.

    Also, you guys need to improve your reading comprehension. The PSU doc didn’t state that this report “was the reason” why they cancelled the season, but that it “factored” into the decision. The B1G office brought in experts for feedback and make a call. They saw a bunch of things that concerned them, and there wasn’t enough evidence in place that can ensure a safe season. In my opinion, it was the right one, not because the studies were right, but because we don’t know enough yet to ensure that we aren’t wrong. And because football games have superspreader potential, it’s a no go. I want out of this mess ASAP and if there’s the potential that one football game can set the country back another year, forget it.

    And one last note about skin in the game. It is important that anyone advocating for the full resumption of games doesn’t do so, while sitting back with a couple of cold ones, eating pulled pork sandwiches and flipping through the channels on the barcalounger. They need to step up and put themselves right in the middle of action along with the players and coaches who are taking the risks. It’s one thing to call people soft for not taking risks and facing danger, it’s another to do so while also not putting your own ass on the line. But even then, if you could get off the couch and join the teams taking the risks, if you’re wrong about the risks you think your taking and they affect me, my family, my community and then society at large–you’re not just wrong. You’re murderously wrong.

    I don’t need a Stanford epidemiologist to put 5k graphs in front of my face to convince me of something that is just common sense.

        1. Blue gills are good eatin’ if you get enough of them. Good thing the only angling knowledge one needs to have is putting expired velveeta on the end of the hook without barbing your finger.

          1. Be careful…I’ve done a lot of angling on Scoop. Most consider my opinions quite crappie.

            Speaking of “foothills” from mountains not Himalayan….The plans are in place.

          2. Had a neighbor in Riverside Ca. who used dynamite. All you could eat fish fry Friday nights. Arrested on a Friday night and fish removed for evidence.

      1. I tend to agree with that statement, BeatPurdue. But we must also keep in mind the expanse of the United States. Texas is about 2.2 times bigger than Italy alone….California is, essentially, equal to the size of Germany. We evaluate the European countries and their fight against the virus as if all tallies end at their respective borders.
        Not defending the early flippancy regarding the virus …and the claims everyone would be back in church by Easter Sunday, but we are a very vast and diverse country. It’s very difficult to summon collective action and maintain it due to sheer vastness and differences in cultural norms across the U.S. We needed a leader who could work in a positive mindset (a national goal) while still dissecting the differences in approaches (working with governors and health agencies) for each geographic region/states/major population centers across our country.
        Full economic and societal lockdowns in Billings, Montana would be unnecessarily harsh …compared to needs in other areas. Segmented geographical approaches and strong early testing was needed along with a serious commitment in national support/funds/genuine concern (as opposed to flippancy and disingenuous politicizing/trivializing) coordinated with “regional” Covid directors assigned to various parts of our vast country.
        Managing the U.S. outbreak was akin to managing most of Europe …. It was complex and it took complex thinkers. Those who have great skills in posturing, politicizing, camera massaging, manipulating press conferences, television producing had nothing to offer for the complexly of dealing with the multiple scenarios and outbreaks of Covid across the U.S.. The messages were wrong. The approaches were weak and disorganized…and very late to the game.

    1. My analogies aren’t about the virus and what it does but instead about fears being hyped up in the past and how they turned out not to be as dangerous as proposed by experts. I see the same thing happening with this virus, it is dangerous but how dangerous, as “news” gets reported claiming doom is around the corner unless we more drastic actions. All experts don’t agree but the people act as if their point of view represents all experts and is a slam dunk.

      By the way, I haven’t read anyone proposing opening up everything by have stands full of fans when football games are played.

    2. DD, Talk about irrelevant, no one I have heard is talking about football in a full stadium. Bringing up red herrings doesn’t lend credence to your points. I have no problem with your steps to take but going after people while using info that is something none but a few advocate is not a good step to take. This fall people are expecting very limited attendance or no public attendance for football games with the teams testing to make sure no virus is present for games.

  10. Those who fight in the trenches of hospitals and ICU’s in attempts to save lives while fully risking their own during this pandemic are the only people being casually insulted by the “is what it is” rhetoric.

    It’s easy to spout fearlessness while really never having any. It’s easy to fund a bunion diagnosis to avoid Vietnam and them claim a prisoner of war is a loser.

    It’s easy to claim a life of of living instead of a life of living dead when typing into a box from passions peak. Are you hang-gliding right now? Are you defusing a roadside bomb? Are you on a break in the hospital after visiting another family who couldn’t be bedside for a loved one’s death?

    Are any of you man enough to admit your cowardice? Are any of you man enough to acknowledge the true heroes during this pandemic? Or do you just want to walk around like programmed zombies emulating the man who makes fun of wearing a mask?

    The greatest mask of a man is not the one worn on the face to prevent the spread of disease. The greatest mask is bravado and insult. It comes from fa(ux)bulous men who never graduated from elementary school bullying. It is the true mask of real cowards.

    Intent? There’s a lot of lecturing above and pretty quotes behind the guise of “liberty.” What is the intent behind undermining all of our institutions? What is the intent of undermining so much of the press? What is the intent behind the flippant lack of compassion for those who fight in the trenches against this disease? What is the intent of using the most powerful position in our country to undermine trust in our upcoming election? Intent? Masks?
    We wear masks to slow spread and minimizing suffering. It’s easy to mock the practice in the fourth quarter when all the deaths (let’s call the “points” since the 200,000 deaths “is what it is”) . The game when lost in the first quarter….It’s sort of like an IU football game. The damage is done early. Now we’re in the fourth quarter playing against “scrubs”. But much like an OSU game, the disease already proved to have its way with us. Pound your chest…Rant of liberty and infringements upon your freedoms. Covid had her way ….and now it’s simply more off-season bravado from those brave, brave men living life in their invisible masks.
    Closest thing our leader ever did to saving a life was when he donned his invisible bravado “mask” on his way into a doctor’s office. He marched with no soldiers and a blank check for another bunion exam and recommendation for deferment. He was saving his own. He didn’t even suit up for one quarter. He rode the bench while preparing to pose for a Mount Rushmore carving of his toes.

    1. H4H, it is clear you listen to the MSM media that lies all the time about Trump. He doesn’t wear mask because he and the people around him are all tested regularly. He is not my favorite politician except for his economic policies and not starting wars.

      The President told all states the CDC rules and it was the governors that blew it because the President followed all the Constitution. Not all states are the same so each governor is responsible for their state and governor Cuomo of NY nor did governor Murphy of NJ follow protocol and according to NYT New Yorkers transported the virus through out the country https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/us/new-york-city-coronavirus-outbreak.html. It wasn’t the Presidents fault politicians ridiculed the steps he was putting in IE shutting down travel from China and encouraging people to come on down to China Town to celebrate with everyone when the virus was first hitting this country. There were many things done wrong by the President but to ignore the governors and mayors that blatantly ignore the rules is wrong. We live in a republic so that the federal gov’t shouldn’t dictate to the states; Trump is the only president that has treated the 9th and 10th Amendment like they exist.

      You denigrate those that don’t want major restriction but some of us have put our lives on the line in the past and remember the risk so we have no problem with young men and coaches deciding they can live with the risk. H4H your dad put his life on the line as a young man and it isn’t wrong for today’s young men to make the same decision I and many others did as young men.

      If we looked at all the risk in our days we wouldn’t ever leave the house but even then we still face risk in our own homes. I understand we don’t know all about this virus but worrying about the future impact of it doesn’t allow us to live our lives. I just don’t accept such a risk averse approach to life and it isn’t because I don’t value their lives but because I value their liberty and freedom to choose for themselves as young men.

      1. Come on, V…He is mocking and denigrating those who wear masks. He’s had numerous rallies where masks were not required. He trivialized the wearing of masks early on in the pandemic when it probably mattered most.
        I have yet to hear him truly commend the front line workers battling this pandemic. Now he’s ‘allegedly’ back to denigrating fallen soldiers….and fallen Marines. Did I get it right this time?

          1. Incessant grumpiness….Bunions?

            Another big game for EJ last night…Finally getting to shine on a big NBA stage. Really surprised Scoop/HSR doesn’t do a feature piece on Eric Gordon. It’s not like there is much else going on.

        1. H4H, no you didn’t get it right about Trump because the people that were there counter what unnamed sources said; include Bolton, not a Trump fan, and he wrote the passage that counters what they say in his book that came out before the false slam by media. You can also look at the Navy logs to see they were the ones that cancelled the trip.

          It is our media and education today that is such a mess because so many push the leftist concepts so much. Your concern about the inequity of income is my concern but I understand it is because we don’t really have capitalism but crony capitalism. Capitalism requires competition not just some competition and if the gov’t focused on maintaining competition, economic distribution would change. There are reasons for monopolies exist but they need to be regulated because of the lack of competition. The left just doesn’t understand competition and what we gain by it in many endeavors.

          Here is my hope for B1G and IUFB happening before Jan1.

          1. V- I merely meant the fallen Marine reference….e.g. using “Marine” instead of using “soldier.”
            I’m not even sure whatever else you’re referencing. Trump fumbled Covid…and that’s indisputable. It was going to evaporate by Easter Sunday. Read some of Ron’s recent posts…regarding newly published predictions not part of the “mass media.” I would also recommend rereading DoubleDown’s 5-star comment on this thread. He pretty much nailed it. Maybe find some other sources to vent your disagreement other than yours truly. There are others on this site primarily taking my same position.
            I mean, I can take the hostility because I think you possess some kindness.

      2. Healthcare workers also put their lives on the line….Single moms commit their lives to taking care of children when fathers have abandoned their responsibility. They fearlessly look into a dark abyss with zero support systems and push on.
        I certainly appreciate your service. My dad never made much of a deal out of it. I think he understood how the world is full of unique heroes. I think he also understood how the designation can be inflated and abused.
        He never needed bravado …nor did he ever demean someone because they didn’t have the same risky experiences. His brother served in Alaska and was never in near the danger during WWII. I never heard my dad ever compare their fears, fate or circumstances. But we all have weaknesses, V. Walking away from confrontation can be far more brave than pulling a trigger.
        My dad had his share of fears…My mom was one of his most major. He feared mental illness and often lived in denial when family problems/addictions/abuses would arise. It’s a strange cocktail in some men. Very little fear of death but a severely unsettling fear when the “normalcy” was threatened. I think he feared some honest emotion and he feared losing those things that gave his life meaning and order. If it was threatened, he’d crawl inside a corner of himself to a very quiet and removed place. It was when watching him turn off his emotions is when I found my greatest fears….Death was far down the list of his fears. But that doesn’t mean I didn’t witness plenty. He was human. He was vulnerable. He did his best …

      3. V- Watched a documentary about Elvis tonight on TCM – “Elvis: That’s the way it is.” Highly recommended. The documentary begins with rehearsals…and performances for a Vegas concert in 1970. Just watching the back-up singers was enough joy for me ….Such little attention behind ‘The King,’ but they looked so happy to be part of the gig.

        Hard to wonder if we’ll ever see days similar to when Elvis performed for a live audience. My gosh, Elvis concerts made a University of Alabama party look like social distancing conformity.
        Lot’s of freedoms in the ’70s. They were the years of my teens and they seem so long ago.
        Thanks for keeping all these disagreements respectful, V. You still da man. I’m sorry there’s no football….I know how much you love it.

      4. DITTO and I’ll add life is about individual choice. If you don’t want to play, don’t, if you don’t want to coach, fine, if you don’t want to set in the stands, it’s your choice to make. Play ball.

  11. oops…( a couple minor corrections )

    We wear masks to slow spread and minimizing suffering. It’s easy to mock the practice in the fourth quarter when all the deaths (let’s call the [deaths] “points” since the 200,000 deaths “is what it is”) . The game when [was] lost in the first quarter….It’s sort of like an IU football game [vs. OSU].

  12. There seems to be some Indiana High School Friday Night Football going on.
    Didn’t really catch all of it but I did see a question about fans implementing guidelines and rules regarding mitigation.

    1. Despite all the nay saying and fear about future problems HS around the country are proven the B1G made the wrong decision. Our small team down here is having a season to remember going 3-0 and not giving up any points so far. Center Grove is showing they are one, maybe the one, power in the state with Brownsburg representing Indiana well with a victory over Ramsey’s old HS. It has been nice being able to watch some football games today on ESPN.

      1. Yes Indiana HS FB this season has been a success in the face of doom and gloom that the sky will fall.
        Also the PSU ‘follow the science’ Dr. has sure backed up on his loose cannon announcement of a few days ago. He is now a Fauci clone, can’t be trusted. What incompetence. Play ball.

  13. Indiana high school coaches call in Indiana Sports Talk Friday nights for all the state on radio. Channel 23 game of the week and games on local radio. Max prep for scoring updates throughout games. Indiana high school football is alive.

  14. The longer the current situation continues the more ratio to picking and choosing what societal norms will be. It seems the effort to make things more PERFECT results in things being more IMPERFECT.

    There are tremendous efforts of indoctrination, rewriting history, and brainwashing going on in America, especially in its education system; including K-12 and at all levels of higher education. It may seem good, innocent or not harmful to some but it needs to stop with law and order though not perfect vs more chaos uncivil society. All these individuals with criminal records, protestors, and rioters are not perfect either. SO QUIT EXPECTING LAW ENFORCEMENT TO BE PERFECT. Quit expecting everything else to be perfect according to your way of thinking. Yes, law and order should improve and do the best they can with sincere fair social justice but nothing is perfect. It parallels to what America has always criticized including war with many other societies and countries for. There are many starting in elementary, woke activities and programs. It’s the in/popular thing to do. Where or what are are kids being taught and led to? It continues throughout much of our society. Bottom line: No one can jump in or live in another person’s body and live their lives for them. A person has to live his or her own life and live it. Yes, people have complaints and issues but there are so many untruths and lies being told. Does anyone ever think about those both, black, white, and others who are calling out this SO CALLED SYSTEM OF RACISM can be unprejudiced or non racist towards white kids or all of white society??? Or is it an effort for one group/s of people to take over another group/s of people?

    Many people are saying things no matter what they think just to be what they call understanding wanting societal issues to go away.
    Quit expecting others to jump in your skin or body and live your life. Live your own life.

  15. I strongly suggest untrenching your predetermined views and understand that we know very little, but there are some long tails here of issues that can affect someone for the rest of their lives. Here’s a source, which is a doctor friend of mine at UCSF here in San Francisco, who has been following thees studies that have now been popularized as it pertains to the Big Ten season.

    Doctor Bob Wachter

    “Running the numbers: Last week a coach said 30-35% big 10 athletes with mild/symptomatic cases have myocarditis. Retractions suggest 15%.

    6.4M US cases+40% asymptomatic = 9M (conservative due to low testing)

    15% is 1,350,000 myocarditis cases.

    The main point of these articles should have been:

    “Athletes with mild/asymptomatic cases, even initially asymptomatic cases, have been found to have myocarditis. Studies range up to 80% myocarditis.”

    This is why you shouldn’t let high school football coaches give you advice on your health and the risks that you take.

    1. …and I have no doubt Americans completely void of the Chinese Virus also are afflicted with the heart condition…loose cannons never would consider or mention that in their expert proclamations…the sounds of making more sky fall…

  16. Suggest San Francisco a disqualification.
    It seems this individual has great medical education gig in writing information and a critic.
    Kinda like Siskel and Ebert.

  17. My guess is that myocarditis would have worked very well for deferments from Nam (wink wink). Probably would have worked better than bunions (wink wink). Actually, bunions and myocarditis would have been more than enough to put Dr. Siskel and Dr. Ebert in full agreement for deferment.

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